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[–]450_dollarsAlyssa Edwards 406ポイント407ポイント  (51子コメント)

Ain't that the mothafuckin T.

It's so funny how Phi Phi thinks she's the Edward Snowden of drag, some big bad whistleblower who's so willing to sacrifice herself to reveal The Truth... when girl we already fuckin know that WoW can be shady as hell and they just want to make some coin off the drama. She has provided no new information (except that she is unstable).

[–]PalatzTatianna 282ポイント283ポイント  (28子コメント)

She's trying to pull a Willam. But just Willam can pull a Willam.

[–]Legacy_in_Progress 181ポイント182ポイント  (3子コメント)

but i encourage him to try. it's fun

[–]kingpinguKatya Zamolodchikova 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jaremi's already trying enough.

[–]BlankNothingNoDoerDetox Icunt 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wonder if that isn't actually his problem. He is trying way too hard. I hope he is able to go away and spend a lengthy period of time completely out of the spotlight. It must get really inundating.

[–]kingpinguKatya Zamolodchikova 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's tried my patience.

[–]topangacanyonNaomi Smalls 44ポイント45ポイント  (2子コメント)

He went to Burning Man.

[–]Evilrakestraight up motha-fuckin' dick pig 50ポイント51ポイント  (1子コメント)

He won some breasts

[–]preposeyAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

His boat is pretty

[–]the_dark_0ne 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm sure by now phiphi is tired of the fans saying things are ok for Willam to do just because she's Willam, but if she did them she'd be read to filth /s

[–]CosmocrtorKatya Zamolodchikova 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Detox- Agreed.

[–]st6fAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 from the planet glamtron 22ポイント23ポイント  (17子コメント)

What's the difference between William and phi2's situations? Speaking legally of course - we all know Phi phi is an ass, but that doesn't necessarily change the situation from a legal standpoint. Not trying to be shady, but I would really like the two situations outlined. They both spoke out about the editing and called out producers, right?

Edit: just a question folks... sheesh!

[–]JacobMitonOfficialAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 143ポイント144ポイント  (8子コメント)

Willam: Post-production. Post-airing. Started around S5, which was after All Stars and shit. And her NDA is ending next month, which is why she's releasing her book or something. Everything she has leaked hasn't been something she has been explicitly involved in, and it's occurred off-set (i.e: Ru vs Courtney, Ru vs Todrick, etc.) and it's been directed towards the actions of producers, not naming actual events. What she has done was never meant to be an attack on the entire production team, just a few select members who she wholeheartedly dislikes. And nothing she has done so far has affected the show's income.

Phi Phi: Toes the line between spoiling future episodes, talked about things that hadn't happened yet, and has said lies (as far as we know) about what production has done. Tarnished their name, initiated a fight with the main focal point of the brand (Ru), refused to go to the reunion, and is spewing BS.

Basically Willam is making sure what she's doing isn't considered defamatory or a cause of a lack of income. She exposes real events, and does it subtly through the art of gayness.

She is very aware that the only real time a TV Show contract violation is enforced is when there's a lack of income due to your actions, which is something she mentions in "RuPaulogize",

"(and then you don't want me now? What is that, loss of income?)"

"uh huh, that's a loss of income"

and she just made sure that she played nice when her contract was still valid.

in turn, Phi Phi is straight and direct, and doesn't care about what the public thinks about her. She's in for trouble if she keeps this shit up. The way she's doing this is just dumb.

[–]denn_rI'm more of a Tampico girl myself 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

She is very aware that the only real time a TV Show contract violation is enforced is when there's a lack of income due to your actions, which is something she mentions in "RuPaulogize",

"(and then you don't want me now? What is that, loss of income?)"

"uh huh, that's a loss of income"

This line is actually about how Willam lost income (bookings, gigs, etc,) to be on All Stars. When they told her never mind, she lost potential income

[–]LilyMeAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

in turn, Phi Phi is straight and direct, and doesn't care about what the public thinks about her.

See I think Phi Phi desperately cares what the public thinks of her. That is what makes me so sad about this whole situation.

[–]Lilac_in_my_Veins 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I think so too. I think if she didn't give 2 shits about what the public thought about her, then she wouldn't care about editing, the "rudemption" story, or trolls in general. But she clearly cares a lot about all of those things.

[–]st6fAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 from the planet glamtron 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank yew so much for clearing that up!

[–]hyperforceKak kak boom! 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

the art of gayness

Where can I learn dis?

[–]CosmocrtorKatya Zamolodchikova 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty order Suck Less: Where There's a Willam There's a Way on Amazon.com. that's Amazon dot com wink

[–]slipperydishBob the Drag Queen 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Willam is a smart businesswoman. She knows how to get what she wants in an efficient manner.

[–]blissfulrebel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

(i.e: Ru vs Courtney, Ru vs Todrick,)

pls do tell me more

[–]BlankNothingNoDoerDetox Icunt 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

The most fundamental difference is that what Willam has said is true, and what the other person has said is not.

Remember: it is only libel or slander or if it is untrue. If it is true, it is neither.

[–]ArianFoxKatya Zamolodchikova 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

the other person has said is not.

Cold blooded

[–]BlankNothingNoDoerDetox Icunt 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahaha. My phone won't spell her name correctly! I don't know what's up. It keeps auto correcting it and won't let me spell it the way she does, so I just said the other person.

TL;DR: blame the edit!

[–]BlankNothingNoDoerDetox Icunt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every time I scroll past this I laugh at you calling me cold-blooded.

I live! <3

[–]amandibriandDetox Icunt 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

IIRC, Willam didn't do shit when her contract was still valid.

[–]MCChriscoAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

Willam is familiar with contracts. She got gigs!

[–]mittenfaceChub rub ain't wrong if you're doin' it right 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's also a smart bitch, and has a lawyer husband. Willam knows exactly what he is doing.

[–]DevaNeo 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

The major difference is Willam is smart and canny as hell, and knows how to move through, while Jaremi (PhiPhi) is a sore loser drowned in his resentment, desperately trying to kick back.

[–]baesl001Adore Delano 195ポイント196ポイント  (11子コメント)

She's trying to be the Edward Snowden of drag but she's honestly just the Azealia Banks of drag.

[–]SaturnPlanetPower 66ポイント67ポイント  (6子コメント)

Except the music isn't as good.

[–]RodsBorgesAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 57ポイント58ポイント  (5子コメント)

I get so sad about how messed up Azealia is cause girl is talented as fuck

[–]riga_morris 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

I recommend watching the whole thing because she is legitimately crazy, but this part makes me laugh so hard that I feel the need to share it with everyone that talks about AB.

https://youtu.be/KzCdAwD9yzI?t=9m45s

[–]deleteitbackrollsDax ExclamationPoint 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

the transition back to "ANYWAYS LITTLE BITCH" asghtdvhwfffsahzgag i am SQUEALING

[–]riga_morris 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

RIGHT?! And it's even funnier because the girl she is talking "to" is about 11 years old or some shit.

[–]ScreaminFalconAlyssa Edwards 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

She got bodied on Twitter by that Disney kid, idk how you even come back from that, I was hoping that would make her stop her feuds and make more music.

[–]mirrorsrrealbtwKatya Zamolodchikova 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bitch. That's just too real.

[–]UreshigePhi Phi O'Hara 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel like she's more of a Shia Labeouf of drag instead of a Azealia Banks of drag.

[–]bronwynsingsAlyssa Edwards 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actual cannibal Phi Phi Labeouf!

[–]Lilac_in_my_Veins 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's clearly the Rigga Morris of drag.

[–]madamushaRobbie Turner 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

except that she is unstable

Even that isn't new information, we've known that since s4.

Phi Phi has a victim complex, a martyr complex, and a savior complex. She is our saint, heroine, and guru.

[–]matthewfrotaKatya Zamolodchikova 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

See, that's why we love Alyssa. She's a teacher, a mentor, and a leader and that's infinitely more tangible.

[–]imboomshesaidAlyssa Edwards 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

"the edward snowden of drag" perfect.

[–]alexbowersau 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

She even comes complete with the beard

[–]FieryFaciasTatianna 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gurl we knew she is unstable. Source : Season 4.

[–]ShigataIchikuchiRoxxxy Andrews 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

But you guys are still trying to have it both ways. "We know Wow manufactures drama for raintgs, but you are still evil for all the things they showed you doing." HMMM.. Something's fishy in that logic and it isn't from Australia.

[–]450_dollarsAlyssa Edwards 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't say she's evil because of her portrayal on the show, I think she's nuts because of how she's showing her ass currently on every possible form of social media.

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    [–]mmjs992Alyssa Edwards 160ポイント161ポイント  (13子コメント)

    If the show had suffered because of Phi Phi's drama, then I can see them pursuing legal action.

    But I think Ru and WoW would rather just sit back and enjoy Phi Phi make a fool of herself and dig her own grave.

    [–]shelleyclear 44ポイント45ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Exactly.

    People like to forget that suing someone is extremely expensive and time-consuming, and the end result is not worth it in this case. WoW will ONLY sue if Phi Phi's antics has caused people to stop watching the show or stop revenue coming in, but you know you bitches are gonna continue watching the show anyway so... what's up with redditors making up these "suing" allegations? Girl suing doesn't mean being catty on twitter, it's serious...

    [–]beatofblackwingsSup. 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

    WoW/Logo already have lawyers on the payroll who are probably doing nothing much more than DMCA takedowns currently. If it weren't "worth it" they wouldn't make them sign the contracts in the first place.

    The only reason Phi2 hasn't received any real heat from WoW/Logo (and we don't actually know she hasn't, we're just assuming) is because someone whose job it is to put the heat on her has decided not to. For now.

    [–]LSunday -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

    They have lawyers on payroll should there be something to actually sue over.

    It costs more than just lawyer fees to sue. Right now, Phi Phi's antics is not losing them any money. There is absolutely nothing to gain from suing other than giving Phi Phi's words MORE weight.

    Besides, when suing in these circumstances, the burden of proof would lie on WoW to prove that Phi Phi is lying. Do really think WoW has the ability to prove, beyond a doubt, that the statement "They manipulated footage to make me look bad" is false? Neither party has grounds to sue the other because neither party has done something wrong in the eye of the law.

    [–]beatofblackwingsSup. 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

    The manipulation issue isn't the problem. Her breaching her NDA is certainly a problem - and one that companies who make you sign an NDA will follow up on if they really want to. Judging from her periscopes, she doesn't care because she doesn't think anyone will sue her for breaching the NDA.

    Let's just not pretend there aren't grounds for her to be in legal trouble when there clearly is.

    [–]thankyeuwTatianna 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Thank you. Her breaking NDA id a ground for WoW to sue her ass. I don't like WoW as a company from the things we've heard from the girls (prizes they never get, shitty pay, etc) but Phi2 did break the NDA. They can't sue her for what she said about editing/manipulation (they can but it's harder to prove). But she did break the NDA. If I were WoW, I would do it just to set up an example for the other girls.

    [–]Ryo_R 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    So did Alaska, and I dare to say Alaska had MUCH worse results, Phi Phi never states anything, she actually give "false" spoilers, like the time she said she might have won a Lip Sync.

    [–]thankyeuwTatianna 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yup. I mentioned Alaska a while ago. But no one seemed to care because people were like it wasn't her. It was the ex. It seems like Alaska can do no wrong lol

    [–]Ryo_R 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I love Alaska, and really want to see her with the crown, but yah she had to spill the T to her ex, so she broke the agreement before everyone else.

    [–]VictoriaFoxNow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    she announced that she's going home before e5

    [–]HadHersesAlyssa Edwards 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The drama Phi Phi is creating is doing nothing but increasing ratings and social media virals for the show.

    Probably the complete opposite of what she wants!

    [–]theactualtatouine 187ポイント188ポイント  (10子コメント)

    If these are not the wisest words that had been said during this whole phiphi situation, I don't know what is

    [–]andygchicagoKatya Zamolodchikova 51ポイント52ポイント  (9子コメント)

    I was with him until "rigging a game show is a federal offense." This is not a game show, by definition.

    At this point, I think the smart thing for WOW to do is release the controversial footage unedited. I doubt it will help Phi Phi's cause.

    [–]RodsBorgesAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 54ポイント55ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Bish they straight up released an unedited critique just to prove phiphi lied lmao I lived

    [–]LSunday 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    TBH, that was the best PR move they could have done, but when thinking about it, also the most transparent.

    Two things are true:

    1)Phi Phi is insecure, easily angered, and lacks a filter.

    2) WoW used those traits to bait her into misrepresenting herself, knowing she didn't have the eloquence to defend herself.

    By releasing footage of one event Phi Phi lied about, they managed to turn the fan assumption around. By default, the fans assume "Phi Phi is telling the truth and WoW needs to prove her wrong." Now it's the other way around, and Phi Phi doesn't have access to any of the evidence to support her claims- she's stuck with her own account and the occasional support of other queens; all of whom are contractually obligated not to speak up.

    However, the fact we HAVEN'T seen any bonus footage from WoW speaks a lot; it also puts a bit of legitimacy to Phi Phi's claims. After all, lots of bad things have been claimed about the show, and WoW just didn't care. Something about Phi Phi's ravings worried them enough to actually release unedited footage, but NOT release unedited footage about the actual controversial stuff (Alyssa fight, mirror interview, snatch game talks).

    Everyone is trying to prove that one party is a victim of the other's insanity. The reality is, both parties did bad things and are trying to shove all the blame onto the other. Phi Phi's losing because she's a single insecure and unpopular queen up against a corporation that makes a business out of manipulating storylines.

    [–]mynorca 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oooh, can you direct me to that?

    [–]VictoriaFoxNow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    but it was STILL edited... (her words, not mine.)

    [–]jealousofmycucuFifi O'Editing Victim 32ポイント33ポイント  (4子コメント)

    gurl they already did! alyssa edwards unedited critiques from the future of drag runway

    [–]baixiaolangTatianna/Phi Phi 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think he meant ALL the controversial footage, ie to see whether or not phi phi was asked her opinion for snatch game, to see all the questions she was asked about Alyssa pre mirror reveal, to see more of her fight with Alyssa, etc.

    [–]hotbowlofsoup 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Of course she was asked her opinion about everything, and they try to provoke everyone. That's how reality tv works.

    [–]eight_characters -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    link plox?

    [–]twotootsKatya Zamolodchikova 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's been linked all over the sub and has been available on the Logo site for over a week.

    [–]violetcrawleyare we going to have tea or not? 167ポイント168ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Finally some rationality into the scenario that has had Phi Phi playing the victim—ironically. Listen, I respect Phi Phi's right to defend herself from trolls throwing death threats and other nonsense, but I believe she has escalated the drama for her own benefit (album promo much?) Not to mention she may have actually broken her legal contract by defamation against Ru and Co. and spoiling episode moments ahead of time.

    [–]juaanrhThe Shady Editors 57ポイント58ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Agreed! I've never been a fan of hers, I respect her as a performer and artist and I completely agree that some kids are fucked up by sending her all that shitty stuff via twitter, but gurl, lately she's been digging her own grave with all the comments coming out of her mouth. At first I refused to believe it, but now I smell a stunt, all of this drama is a way for her to plug the album. She doesn't want people to love phi phi anymore, she wants people to love Jaremy now and I felt that from the beginning with the "no drag/presenting myself" gigs during the AS2 promo tour. Boo, If you wanted to launch your singing career why didn't you tried for X factor/AGT or else? You don't have to "suffer" in drag there. No shade, boo.

    RPDR is the reason people know you, without the show you would still be Phoenix, a drag queen from Chicago. So, in a certain way, I feel she's been ungrateful with Ru & co. dragging them on interviews, tweets and spoiling episodes. She had the NERVE to call RuPaul 'Coward'... gurl... who's 'not attending' the reunion? That's the time for you to be fierce and pull a Tammie/Shannel and speak face to face with Ru. And make excellent TV

    Don't keep blaming editing gurl, you know how tv shows work, specially one that you already have done. As Alyssa said on last episode; "If you're gonna be a bitch, embrace the character, be unapologetic" but don't turn the tables now and try to play the victim role now.

    P.S. You go, Glenn coco!

    [–]RodsBorgesAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Tbh girl with all that and the whole "I wanna focus on Jeremy and step away from Phi Phi a little" as in she wants to quit drag, it just screams that not only does she want to plug that album, she also needs to. Her musical career is her ticket out of drag. Hope she's ready for a flop, cause if it happens it will cost her a lot

    [–]PinkOldie 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree with every word you said. Speak the truth!

    [–]CosmocrtorKatya Zamolodchikova 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I believe she has escalated the drama for her own benefit (album promo much?

    I think this is a good point. Now compare Phi Phi to Ginger who is also releasing an album in thid time frame and has gotten the worst edit (the "Wash she really on the show" edit) and was probably the least liked queen coming into AS2. From what I've seen Ginger has said very little about the show dedicating most of her time responding to/retweeting supportive comments

    [–]LadyLixerwyfe 53ポイント54ポイント  (3子コメント)

    This is a very level-headed response with no real personal interest (other than defending his employer, I suppose) and it's spot on.

    I wish someone in Phi Phi's life had had the forethought/wisdom/balls to say, "Just be ready in case it doesn't go the way you want. Sit back. Laugh at yourself. Remind folks that it's a TV show, but don't get defensive. The one edit you can control is your response." If Phi Phi had laughed at the shade, she would be in a completely different situation. While thinking about it in the context of it being a TV show about drag queens (who are notoriously shady and larger than life), it's funny. When you think about this being someone's actual life, it's really sad.

    [–]rosebananaPeppermint 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

    In some of her periscopes Phi Phi recounts getting sound, helpful advice from some of the other queens, then talks about how she's doing 'x' (opposite) thing instead and it's actually the right thing to do, because of 'reason'. It's sad. She seems in such a heightened state she can't see the situation from other perspectives than the one she's currently in. Her fiance supports her present stance 100% afaik.

    [–]PinkOldie 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It hasn't worked for her in the end, any grievances she had, she should have expressed those at the reunion with RuPaul.

    [–]rosebananaPeppermint 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I 100% agree. It would be better for her to have the last word in this situation, no matter what that word is.

    [–]ScootersfoodAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 90ポイント91ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Phi Phi posts are the new fantasy seasons.

    [–]OvernightSirenRoxxxy Andrews 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not sure which I prefer tbh.

    [–]hyperforceKak kak boom! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Are you saying she's shit posting?

    [–]LaskysLaughHail Seitan 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

    The law is a little hazy regarding what reality competition shows fall under the purview of Section 509. It technically only applies to contests of "intellectual skill". Here's a little light reading. The brief touches on all sorts of interesting things regarding production influence of outcome and what constitutes deceptive editing. Also, bonus Santino mention!

    [–]andygchicagoKatya Zamolodchikova 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Even if the show meets the legal definition of a reality show (it doesn't... not even close), the winner is decided SO subjectively (Ru gets to decide, and she has ZERO objective criterion), that it's impossible to rig.

    Literally the ONLY way to rig this show is to have Ru decide on a winner, verify her choice for winner, and the producers announcing someone else.

    [–]CreditBewilderment 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is actually really fascinating. Some T about Paula Abdul in here!

    [–]THwithanOrgyKatya Zamolodchikova 54ポイント55ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You go Glen Coco

    [–]whatsupdanny 95ポイント96ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Daniel Franzese here... I'm happy to defend my statement (made as a fan) I love the people at wow but I promise they don't pay my bills. (My series reg on my new ABC drama does) I'm just speculating as a fan the way you all are. Another thing about Phi Phi I can put into perspective is when everyone is saying how sweet she was at Drag Con by walking around with a 'Free Selfies' sign. A lot of the Ru girls have to pay their own money for tables at the convention and use selling pictures as a means to fulfill that fee. Wearing a 'Free Selfies" sign may hide from that fact that no one is lining up to pay for your picture but it makes all your other costars look like a jerk for charging. It's not playing 'the game'. When everyone at Drag Con is making money and trying to make the fans happy. I personally thought that was a rude move on her part. To walk around and offer free what everyone else is selling. Imagine her giving away free cookies when everyone else has committed to the bake sale. Just a self serving move. A lot of eyes were rolling. It's show business. You can have all the 'Show' you want but if you don't do the 'business' well this is the kinda stuff that happens to you.

    [–]eighteen_forty_noAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks for posting here with us shady bitches! And thank you for the business perspective -- I really think that she is hurting herself in the long run with her actions.

    [–]meaty-tuck 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I really enjoyed your performance on Looking.

    [–]giveawaytheendingTatianna 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    SHE DOESN'T EVEN GO HERE!

    Iconic.

    And I agree with you completely.

    [–]ObsidianBlackbirdMcNTatianna 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wow, thanks so much for this-- as a fan, I would have never considered this business perspective. That makes A LOT of sense, and sounds very ungenerous to her fellow queens. It sounds like she's got a lot to learn.

    [–]D_a_v_zAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Man u r a really great actor and I really loved u in Looking. U r hot as fuck too =)

    [–]gbinasiaDetox Icunt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    omg Danny Devito I love your work

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      [–]LaskysLaughHail Seitan 16ポイント17ポイント  (9子コメント)

      I've never been able to figure this out for sure: is RPDR legally classified as a game show?

      [–]mmjs992Alyssa Edwards 35ポイント36ポイント  (4子コメント)

      It's legally classified as a contest. Which I'm sure is what he meant.

      In Canada there is something called the Competition Act that governs over contests. There is probably something similar in the US.

      [–]AlbrechtEinsteinBob the Drag Queen 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I'm a Survivor fan, and I know the producers can't do stuff like tamper with votes or rig the outcome of challenges because of game show regulations.

      But I don't think these rules would apply to Phi Phi's claims about RPDR. If there's a bias for/against certain contestants, but that only comes out in judging, Logo won't be in trouble for that because the whole show is based around subjective judging. There's no way of proving that the subjective judgements were too subjective.

      The claims of shady editing have nothing to do with contest rules either. Using a comment out of context is just part of making a TV show. They can tell the story however they want because it doesn't affect the outcome of the competition after the fact.

      Not defending Phi Phi here, just skeptical about the "federal offense" part of Daniel's comment.

      [–]mattatvtGinger Minj 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      according to this law it seems like it is a federal offense

      [–]AlbrechtEinsteinBob the Drag Queen 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

      That law is about radio broadcasts, although there is probably something similar for TV...

      Still, I doubt RPDR is classified as a 'contest of knowledge, skill, or chance'. It's talking about 'intellectual skill' so they probably mean game-shows where people have to solve problems and there's a right or wrong answer. It doesn't seem to be talking about subjectively judged talent shows.

      [–]BlankNothingNoDoerDetox Icunt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      In theory RuPaul himself retains final say as the executive producer and primary judge. So if he truly wanted to eliminate every contestant start over, he could…again, in theory. And law is based/determined/argued in theory.

      [–]dontFitupAlyssa Edwards 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think it's a competition reality show, like Survivor or Amazing Race, if you consider them "game shows."

      [–]JambeardRebornAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Absolutely not. Every decision is made on a whim. There's no voting or points of any kind. It is literally just whatever they want to do each week. Anyone could win or go home for any reason and there's no justification necessary.

      [–]sjgrunewaldPorkchop 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      In the sense that the laws that regulate entertainment shows and contests that award prizes to prevent fraud apply to them, yes.

      [–]homedoggieoIt was Rigger Morris, gurl! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      ahh that explains why WoW hasn't been delivering prizes! brilliant tactic to skirt the law

      [–]derbynaAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 43ポイント44ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I agree with this and I'm so done with fans saying that not appreciating Phi Phi is the same as sending her a death threat ✋

      [–]rosebananaPeppermint 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You are killing her this very minute!

      [–]ronscotAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I know, if you don't feel sorry for her and aren't angry about the editing, you are this horrible person who supports death threats.

      [–]expremierepage#1 Phi Phi O'Hara Apologist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Who said that?

      [–]itsashleyjohnAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Get her, Jade!

      [–]iamjanedoetho 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Haha he's totally right. It's interesting to me how at the start of AS2 she was super excited and telling everyone she was going to get her redemption, we'd all see how different she is and nothing like the Phi Phi of Season 4. She started being pretty defensive a couple of episodes in when people started calling her out on bad edit, which is fair enough, she's allowed to defend herself and she wasn't exactly wrong about how editing works on a reality show. At this point if she'd played her cards right she could have still redeemed her career, ok maybe she'd been screwed over with the editing but that's reality TV for you, she's done it once before she knows how it works.

      Then something clicked with her that she wasn't going to get the redemption she thought she would, she started reacting like she was being shown ten times worse on the show than she actually was, and it all snowballed in to her completely losing the plot. She started lying, telling people she had such an awful time on the show and telling producers she wanted to leave and lying about other contestant's critiques, which WOW & Logo called her out on by releasing their unedited critiques and the Final Lap w/ Michelle Visage where she told Michelle she'd had a blast?! She totally self destructed and she's killed her own career.

      [–]cv1979 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

      phi phi is acting like a spoiled, entitled brat...

      [–]saintroremDetox Icunt 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

      obligatory.

      [–]JunoCarrionKatya Zamolodchikova 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

      He needs to be quiet to save himself.

      YES. Please be quiet Phi Phi.

      [–]ErmahgerdrerdertTwo piece and a chapstick 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "I was rooting for you, we were all rooting for you! How dare you?!"

      [–]RajasToes 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Thank god he wasn't defending him lol I've had enough with the ever so fragile and sensitive Phi Phi O'hara

      [–]BlankNothingNoDoerDetox Icunt 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

      A lot of people have had enough. Officially.

      I wish for her sake that she could go away and stay quiet for a couple of years and start to heal or change or meditate or whatever. But being in the spotlight is clearly not good for her.

      [–]Little_Miss_AbyssDetox Icunt 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I really wish she just wouldn't return, at least as Phi Phi O'Hara. She has proved twice now that she can't handle the bad aspects of publicity and runs her mouth all the cardinals directions at once. We're amused and it's great for the show, but Phi Phi is on a sinking ship right now 'cause the people that may have started to like her are backing right off again. I think she should just focus on her boy singing career and hang up Phi Phi's costume for good. My words are not coming from a malicious place but Jaremi has shown twice now that he can't take what the burden of publicity gives him. Either he gets a PR person to run his social media (which is probably not going to happen due to costs if he hires a real one, not an acquaintance) to save Phi Phi somewhat, or he just logs off and focuses on his personal image.

      [–]bad_breath66 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      RPDR is the reason people know you, without the show had suffered because of game show regulations.

      [–]tyler-dragAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

      WoW probably doesn't give two shits because they are laughing the way to the bank. Phi2 has been reality tv GOLD.

      [–]rosebananaPeppermint 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Pregnant hooker storms off stage refusing to hug VMA darling.

      Checks out.

      [–]ScreaminFalconAlyssa Edwards 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      She tried hugging her! Gurl, I was living that they left that sound-bite of Alyssa saying she tried to hug her.

      [–]miniskirtninja 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      My friend was on the set of a music video with PhiPhi last week, and apparently PhiPhi was saying things about how WoW is looking into pursing legal action and lawyering up.

      [–]jgroove_LABob the Drag Queen 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      He's not wrong.

      [–]NekoJapKat 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Jerami, put himself in this situation.

      [–]mansonfamilyKatya Zamolodchikova[🍰] 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

      They should knock Phi Phi on her ass legally and take back every penny she made from the show. At this point it looks like basically anyone can break NDA and just get some ~ooh shady Ru tweets.

      [–]Legacy_in_Progress 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

      totally agree. if they don't sue Phi Phi after she leaked her own elimination and broke that NDA I'd be shocked. it sets a dangerous precedent for future queens who are unhappy with their portrayal and that can't be allowed to stand.

      [–]rosebananaPeppermint 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

      It's complicated though. Adore was allowed to walk out on her contract. Alaska hasn't been punished that we know of. I hope they themselves see that Phi Phi should be given the same slack.

      Edit: I appreciate Daniel's loyalty here, though.

      [–]snowblossom2 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      But Adore and Alaska haven't been burning bridges, broadcasting spoilers online.

      [–]rosebananaPeppermint 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      True actually, good point.

      Adore was allowed to leave before her allotted time and didn't have to come back for the return ep, but she'll still be at the reunion.

      Alaska broke her NDA but her intentions were still private - she wasn't on Twitter!

      [–]Legacy_in_Progress 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      no contract can force you to stay in a competition if you don't want to. otherwise, that'd essentially be legalized kidnapping. Alaska has no reason to be punished for what her dumbass ex did. yes they aren't supposed to say anything, but your close friends and family will obviously know what's going on and that shouldn't be super held against them

      [–]JojaleeTrixie Mattel 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is very very true.

      [–]eighteen_forty_noAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Right now Phi Phi's very public meltdown and fuckery are ginning up even more public interest about the show, including articles and increased viewership. I predict that WoW waits until after the show has concluded, they milk this T and drama for all it's worth....and then they pursue legal action. Unless, of course, she does something even more stupid and inflammatory between now and the finale or reunion. They may be playing the long game, but this is still all going to bite her in the ass so hard. (edited for terrible breakfast spelling)

      [–]Little_Miss_AbyssDetox Icunt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If they do pursue legal action, it is probably not worth it for them in terms of fees and money. However, stomping out the cigarette, i.e. making an example of Phi Phi by showing what happens to a defamer, would be smart of them. If future participants see what the punishment is for going off the rails on WoW, they may not be as inclined to slander and talk shit about WoW as Phi Phi did.

      [–]redwingnut13Alaska Thunderfuck 5000 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Following /r/rupaulsdragrace and /r/WoW (Warcraft) gets really confusing sometimes...

      [–]a-p-j 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I really hope there is no legal drama after the show, but it would not shock me if there is. People may not like it, but reality bites.

      Besides, the producers as shady as they might be would not like their reputation tarnished, no one would.

      People seem to forget this is first and foremost a reality show and such shows have never been fair. Ever!

      [–]beeboiboporiginal 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      In a normal tv show I would be shocked if they did bother with legal pursuits, but you bring up a good point about the producers. I forgot that they are shady bitches at WoW. I hope Phi Phi doesn't say any names during one of her emotional twitter breakdowns soon

      [–]baixiaolangTatianna/Phi Phi 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      She already called out Meesh at roscoe's and the audio from that is on the internet.

      [–]SpikeNLB 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's pretty clear given her stint in prison, Phi2 don't know shit about the law. Methinks she has already heard from the WOW lawyers specific to STFU otherwise known as a cease and desist.

      [–]beckywiththesosohairAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It's not like wow isn't getting anything from all of this.

      [–]rosebananaPeppermint 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

      He has a job with them, but do you really think they put a gun to his head or made him a spokesperson?

      He's talking from a professional standpoint about how to conduct yourself in the business (and from that standpoint he's 100% right) and it's starting to bite close to home for him because it's a company he seems to like working for.

      It's a 'thing' for queens to bag the show a little and talk about what wasn't shown / whatever, or to drop hints about favouritism. But Phi Phi wants to keep working in the entertainment industry (obviously) and she's being really unprofessional here. It's got to the point where people are saying it straight up... well, why not say it?

      [–]mcfarad 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The fact there isn't any legal stuff coming out of this just tells me that they're still telling a story. We're talking about it, it's trending, they're selling tickets to shows to here her side of it. It's a work, and a damn good one.

      [–]aaronwillsLil Pound Cake 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I love Danny Devito's work!

      [–]temperamentalfishRoxxxy Andrews 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They don't need to take legal action. Phi Phi's digging her own grave and whistling as she does it

      [–]lessthanhexagonMoney talks. Trannies walk. 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      DAMN. Now I'm seriously wondering what Max didn't do. Also the Storm one. I bet they got canned quickly because they didn't wanna "compromise their morals"

      [–]eighteen_forty_noAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They could be waiting a week or two to see exactly how deep a hole she digs.

      [–]eighteen_forty_noAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Max wasn't as well known (this is AS2 and PhiPhi is a known commodity at this point), and they were much more disposable. Right now this is a win-win for WoW.

      [–]ddv683 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm living for the drama. work.

      [–]LesbianCheerleadersSantino 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      SHE DOESN'T EVEN GO HERE

      [–]IzzyAmon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      God bless this hot AF bear. I would do such horrible things to to him....... ._.

      [–]time_and_time 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Doesn't he work for WoW now? Obviously he's going to defend his employer. I'm surprised half this sub does it without getting any coin.

      [–]kangaesugiDax ExclamationPoint 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I really don't like the whole "biting the hand that feeds you" thing, but Phi Phi really does need to sit down and lay low for a while. Maybe hire a PR manager.

      [–]weewoy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Feef is the perfect reality show villain, now she's gone it's Roxxy's turn...

      [–]lessthanhexagonMoney talks. Trannies walk. -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

      So if WoW doesn't sue it's because PP has some serious T on them. Okkkr.. Werk.

      [–]eighteen_forty_noAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Nah, they are just waiting until no one is paying attention to her, so post show.

      [–]ShigataIchikuchiRoxxxy Andrews -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I had a dream that I met him last night. Weird.

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