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MGTOW is actually about self development, right?
I have experienced an learned that the MGTOW road is sometimes unavoidable to any man striving for success in his life, job or business.
I have gone through these courses – teaching self management, sales, personal leadership and integrity. And all of those trainers said that whenever he comes across a married couple, they either both learn the same mindset or their relationship will certainly fall apart.
That’s what trainers like Bryan Tracy say. They are right. If a man moves up in the responsibilities he carries, then his priorities change as well.
The man suddenly has to think in dimensions of thousands of Euros or Dollars. He suddenly has to make “bloody” decisions, that can have a very high impact on his future.
This “new” and successful man leaves the “small” dimensions in which common people have to think. Not out of arrogance, but because of their position and their responsibilities.
And that he will be held accountable for making wrong or “late” decisions.
His partner, meaning his wife, has to grow into his setting as well. She can no longer confront him with “taking out the garbage” while he is busy calculating the next big investment.
And he needs someone on his level to comfort him and give positive advice if things need to be adjusted.
I have seen a few successful marriages like that.
But always the same. The partner has to grow with you, or leave.
For me, it became absolutely impossible to find any woman that would even care to think about understanding what I am faced with every day.
They want a free meal ticket and not even acknowledge that you have “different problems” than the “Chad Thundercocks” she had before you.
And these women would never see the good side. A man coming home 3 hours later but with a good mood and a smile on his face.
Nor would they do anything supportive of my business. No matter how small the effort.They started to nag about senseless matters, badly interfering with my well being and thus compromising my professional success.
At the end, relief: Too bad, go back to “Mr. Welfare”…
So, becoming successful, wealthy and well earning will sometimes make you a MGTOW by design.
There just aren’t enough women out there that are capable of having a functioning relationship with a decision maker, company executive or self employed “high level” CEO. (The 6-figure man we always mention)
One trainer asked us seminar participants “live and on the spot” if we can live with the fact that our marriage will eventually fall apart…
And he was glad as I replied: “No one there to hold me back and no one has an interest of keeping me down and stupid”
He congratulated me, because he saw my unlimited potential. The guy was good.
Is was his dramatic and realistic way of teaching that made me give up smoking for good in March 2000.And with this, he gave me the emotional stability to go from 60 to 0 cigarettes per day. What a liberation. And believe me: It was hard, as it took years to overcome completely.
The first stage of success: Smokers have a harder time succeeding in sales and “my numbers” suddenly went through the roof.
That was the first thing in making me incompatible with women: Suddenly half the women in the world were unbearable because of their smoking habit…
Smelly clothes don’t go with an “80 percent hit rate” salesman…
So what is your story?
My next posted topic will be for “the other direction”: If a partner has the stability to go though bad times with you. OMG, I hear an earthquake…
:::::: There is NO difference between WOMEN and CATS :::::::::::: I say: MOTHERS, SISTERS and other PETS ::::::
Great share!
I think it’s almost impossible for a couple to grow together.
I tried it many times and it sounds great but doesn’t actually happen.
Temporary pleasures are all a woman has to offer.
Btw, you are an excellent writer.Worry About Yourselves Cunts.
I never felt “together” it was always a never ending chase that only got steeper and harder!
Fuck being a rabbit chasing their stupid fucking carrot on a stick!
They can use the carrot as a dildo for all I care!
In my case, we grew up toguether while we where students.
After ending the specialty i had a life plan, having childrens was the logic next step but that requieres a lot of money.
My plan was to move from spain to ireland searhing for better economy and gaining experience in NHS sistem, then moving to Australia and work there, Aus is the third coutry with the highest salary for doctors.But instead after she graduated (i was 6 months behind), she told me we are done, she tossed my ass out, traded me for a 21 years old student and accepted a schoolarship with a 2000e month salary… I think her plan is to stay in spain with a 50000e year salary…
Me im following my original plan, moving to ireland if i like it i stay if i dont i move to australia. Now i have a 2200e month salary working only 3 days a week. Give me free time to enjoy my life. meanwhile i wait for the ireland stuff. maybe i can get a 80-90000 a year.
Lets put it easy, i could do a lot more study and stuff and get published in high standing med magazines… But fuck that i want the cash, the benjamins, show me da money baby.
Wanna know why?
Couse no one cares if you are a good guy, or have good will, noooo everyone cares about MONEY.
Nothing else.I know some guys in here plan on never retire but me… i plan on retiring at 50-55 y old.
YEAH I HOPE I DIE OF BOREDOM.why should i even bother?
I have been through similar management seminar corporate gigs.
The thing that made the biggest impact on me happened when I transitioned from dealing with mid management to upper leadership management. (I’ve always stayed technical. I am the technical guy sitting in back of room)
Understanding that there is no good decision was the impact that took some time to digest. A close friend told me that all you can do is try to guide the devastation. If you have three choices, all three are always fraught with some type of bad ending to one degree or another. You try to pick the best path.
It really changes your outlook when you realize that it will probably end badly no matter what decision you make.
Why do you do it I asked my upper management friend? He told me because it is an impossible challenge. Anyone can solve easy stuff but if you are successful at an impossible challenge, you’ve done something extraordinary.
At his house, his wife would serve us food, cut apples, grapes and cheese on a tray. She would fill our glasses with wine from time to time.
My point is that his wife served him and she loves doing it. I have watched on multiple occasions as she putterd’ around doing tasks and keeping the house in a mellow state. Soft music, etc. All of this in an effort to create an tranquil atmosphere while we discussed options.
Then I understood, if your going to make difficult decisions you must be able to be in a tranquil atmosphere.
Anyway, really enjoy your story time stuff. Makes me reflect.
"Only a sith deals in absolutes" The Force is against me
Temporary pleasures are all a woman has to offer.
Btw, you are an excellent writer.Thanks for the kind words,
I try to do the best I can. And I’m sure that I can help in “moving some” things around.
I think that being a good writer is the best way to be immune to the senseless screaming and yelling the feminists do.
Any way, I was caught between being too smart, too strange and without wealth.
Women saw through me like I was high purity glass. I looked like “straight from a movie” and still none of them would even look at me.After I became successful, they all wanted to get to know me, but it was too late. I didn’t have capacities in my brain to accommodate their simplemindedness. I had outgrown “my generation”.
“So if you are not wanted where you are, then go where they like you” – Brian Tracy.
And that was the advice I heeded. At the “base class” people made fun of me and my capabilities. And so I took the road to where people would pay and respect me for what I can do.
Just a normal reaction.
But it didn’t get me sympathies in my home place. But who cares. Women that used to ignore me, suddenly “gave me the eye” like “Oh, he would have been a good catch”.
But I was not. They were always disappointed that I have to work for my money and it doesn’t come around “all by itself”.
I was “out of reach” for them, and I still proudly wear my MGTOW crown like a king.
It is an “earned crown”, something I had to work for to achieve it.
Earlier in life, they could have called me a “poor dog” or “loser”… But now it hits women straight in the face if I explain to them that I am “proud to go my way” and why.
Even now, after chronic illness got me, I would still be a good catch… But again they don’t see any “outside status” any more, or they are afraid of having to care for me…
I am “glass” again.
And I don’t care.
Instead, I love the forest, streams, rocks, riffs, rivers and deep valleys in our “500 m mountains” here.
:::::: There is NO difference between WOMEN and CATS :::::::::::: I say: MOTHERS, SISTERS and other PETS ::::::
My point is that his wife served him and she loves doing it. I have watched on multiple occasions as she putterd’ around doing tasks and keeping the house in a mellow state. Soft music, etc. All of this in an effort to create an tranquil atmosphere while we discussed options.
Then I understood, if your going to make difficult decisions you must be able to be in a tranquil atmosphere.
Which is all she would have to do in order to be well fed and go without having to work for herself.
But “normal” women show you her power and turn your life into a bad dream. She needs to show you how much she can interfere with your life until she “get’s you all for herself”. She thinks if she makes you lose your business, then you will have “more time for her”. Her hamster wheel will never realize that money is needed for life and that the lack of money kills every relationship.
And “Mrs. Welfare” wanted to smash my 25 k stereo system “in the next fight”…
Out the door.
Like the MGTOW poster saying:
A man’s success has a lot to do with the kind of woman he chooses NOT to have in his life.
100 percent true, trainer approved and “life tested”
:::::: There is NO difference between WOMEN and CATS :::::::::::: I say: MOTHERS, SISTERS and other PETS ::::::
I never felt “together” it was always a never ending chase that only got steeper and harder!
Fuck being a rabbit chasing their stupid fucking carrot on a stick!
They can use the carrot as a dildo for all I care!
Women that make you “feel together” are out of stock…
Discontinued, no longer made… “Patent withdrawn” by feminists…
You chase the carrot, but in reality you come home every evening, glad to see that your house is NOT on fire.
Or to see that she didn’t yet use your bed for fucking Mr. “Oh, he’s just a friend”…
:::::: There is NO difference between WOMEN and CATS :::::::::::: I say: MOTHERS, SISTERS and other PETS ::::::
gargamel,
if you have the time,
look into Gary Null’s website..
he is a health guru who may have some protocals for your malady..
seriously.
no offence, but that poisoned workshop did a number on you ,
and there are ways of reversing the effects ..
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hey, i’m the hitman..
for many reasons…
one of which is that i sometimes post up and then kind of disappear..
like an assassin,
( sometimes like an ass..)
say my thing and then i get too busy to follow up on more comments..
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i like your style or i wouldn’t bother to refer you to that site..
good luck my friend !Worry About Yourselves Cunts.
Nor would they do anything supportive of my business. No matter how small the effort.
Why should she support something that takes your attention away from her banal immediate needs? A woman is not capable of looking past her nose. You are nothing but a resource to her.
Running a business is damn hard work. Cupcake cannot always be priority number one. They don’t like that.
chau·vin·ism /SHo-vi-nizem/ noun 1.1 Excessive or prejudiced loyalty or support for one’s own (..) gender
I grew up seeing all of my family and their partners working together to build businesses and incomes.
I thought it quite natural for couples to discuss plans, business ideas and take advice from each other. Profits benefit everybody in the family.
It was unthinkable to me that a husband or a wife would give their partner bad advice or, worse, would actively work against success.
My wife didn’t have the same background. She came from a single parent household. Her mother had to scrabble for a living, despite the succession of men who would move in for a week or a month or a year.
It took me a long time to realise that the advice I was taking from my wife was bad advice.
My wife never saw me as a partner, she saw me as competition. So every opportunity to give me bad advice, she’d take it.
I just couldn’t see it. It never occurred to me that your partner could be your worst enemy.
The advice she gave other people was always very good. She just couldn’t bare to see me succeeding. And that’s why we didn’t succeed.
Of course when I did realise what was going on, I stopped taking her advice. And although I didn’t make a big deal of it, it became obvious that I’d figured her out.
And that’s when the real fun started!...And in our own despair, against our will, Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Agamemnon; by Aeschylus
Great story.
When I was younger, I was fortunate to have been mentored by some very successful older men.
I noticed that these extremely successful guys were very careful about what they told their wives. The wives were never allowed in the office and the wives never knew what these older guys were up to. These old guys were physicians, and also real estate tycoons and bank directors. They kept their wives and friends in the dark. And it was pure genius.
These successful old guys actually enjoyed happy marriages free of squabble and drama. The old guys used their wives for entertainment. The wives received an allowance, but were not allowed to blow money. The older guys ghosted with aplomb.I learned a lot from watching my old mentors. I never tell a woman what I do for a living. I never tell a woman about business ventures or projects. I use a woman strictly for entertainment only. I have had long term relationships with women, but I personally would never view a woman as a partner. In my opinion, women in no way should be mixed up in business affairs. If she is around at all, it’s only for entertainment. This arrangement has served me well over the years.
Brian Tracey sounds like a great motivational speaker and guru.
Unfortunately his business sense and ability to do everything he preaches was proven to be lacking in 2015 when the business he owns in Seattle (Ride the Ducks) continued using poorly maintained vehicles to save money on maintenance and it resulted in the deaths of four passengers in an accident that was fully preventable.
Brian Tracey sounds like a great motivational speaker and guru.
Unfortunately his business sense and ability to do everything he preaches was proven to be lacking in 2015 when the business he owns in Seattle (Ride the Ducks) continued using poorly maintained vehicles to save money on maintenance and it resulted in the deaths of four passengers in an accident that was fully preventable.
Many times I’ve seen gurus not practicing what they preach.
But in this case the motivational trainer Brian Tracy and the Ride the Ducks Seattle owner are 2 different persons.
The motivational trainer Brian Tracy is this one:
The “Ride the Ducks” owner is Brian Tracey (with an “e” before the “y” in the name)
John Sparling Interviews Brian Tracey in August of 1999
:::::: There is NO difference between WOMEN and CATS :::::::::::: I say: MOTHERS, SISTERS and other PETS ::::::
Great story.
When I was younger, I was fortunate to have been mentored by some very successful older men.
I noticed that these extremely successful guys were very careful about what they told their wives. The wives were never allowed in the office and the wives never knew what these older guys were up to. These old guys were physicians, and also real estate tycoons and bank directors. They kept their wives and friends in the dark. And it was pure genius.
These successful old guys actually enjoyed happy marriages free of squabble and drama. The old guys used their wives for entertainment. The wives received an allowance, but were not allowed to blow money. The older guys ghosted with aplomb.I learned a lot from watching my old mentors. I never tell a woman what I do for a living. I never tell a woman about business ventures or projects. I use a woman strictly for entertainment only. I have had long term relationships with women, but I personally would never view a woman as a partner. In my opinion, women in no way should be mixed up in business affairs. If she is around at all, it’s only for entertainment. This arrangement has served me well over the years.
Agreed. Woman can never be viewed as truly equal partners. It has nothing to do with intelligence, but responsibility. Men make resources, women utilize them to the point of exhaustion. It’s as simple as that.
With this simple axiom in mind, with the current laws and divorce rape culture, it’s just too dangerous to legally bind yourself to one. Therefore, they are relegated to temporary entertainment only.
- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein
no offence, but that poisoned workshop did a number on you ,
and there are ways of reversing the effects ..Thank for the advice. What he writes, sounds interesting.
The “biggest numbers” my poison cocktail did to me is dementia, loss of short term memory. If you see strange typing or sentence building errors… There you go.
Before 2013, I was able to write completely error free. Now I have to read what I write one day later to discover expression mistakes and stupid typos.
I have this problem that my case is a special one. My contaminated workshop was owned and renovated by a carpenter and an architect. Both construction professionals. And in the mid-80s they had many outlawed wood preservatives left over that – after “the scandal” no customer wanted anymore. So so they got rid of them in the renovation process of the shop that later became my place.
I found out “by own detective work” and with 4 different laboratories that this place was soaked with 8 instead of the 2 standard “scandal” chemicals. They employed these wood preservatives in a deadly mixture in violation of the manufacturer’s instructions and in violation of the law that went into effect in 1978, prohibiting the use of these compounds altogether.
The architect abused his power of the building director… I made a perfect line of proof but the rental contract was as fraudulent as a marriage contract.
But after all 8 chemicals in such concentrations, as we had measured… they only leave a wreck.
One thing is that both previous tenants of this place are dead by now. One of them was “the son of the landlord” – He got MS from the heavy metal “Barium” that was also in there.
My doctor is one of the former consultants from the prosecutor of the big German wood preservative scandal trial of 1993…
He was the one to talk to. He has seen thousands of patients that had painted their houses with “Xyladecor” brand paint in the 60’s and 70’s and got extremely sick.
(See the video below: The state attorney Mr. Schöndorf is a real hero that went against the corrupt government, who wanted to cover up this scandal)
And this was only “2 chemicals”: Lindane and Pentachlorophenol. But in my place they had painted 1 preceding and 2 “followup replacements” to these poisons. I had “the luxury” of getting sick from 4 different generations of outlawed substances at the same time.
Poison from the year 1865, then the PCP-Lindane stuff outlawed in 1978, then endosulfane and permethrine…, which were both used until the late 90s… But all of them outlawed for use in closed inhabited spaces.
All hidden inside the walls and transported out by humidity from the “wet basement” below. The story fills 5 thick folders and 2 insurance companies couldn’t believe their eyes, that I had survived this.
Because poisons don’t double their effect, they multiply. 1+1+1 = 1000 times the toxicity of 1 chemical alone. If I had gotten “only PCP” them my body would have taken it lightly. But 4 generations of wood preservatives is… like surviving the challenger accident.
In my muscular system I was so strong that I stayed in bed almost continuously for 6 months, stood up and walked 6 km in the forest. Normally someone lying flat for so long would have to go through long treatments of rehabilitation.
But the forest saved my life: With Barium, the lungs get attacked and you stop getting oxygen in the blood.
And Barium makes you electro-sensitive, feeling mobile phone radiation and TV-transmitters in the air..Driving out into the forest and to a radiation free zone… My body was blue, I was coughing for hours and just then, my skin turned normal again. Staying in this environment saved me but the MCS was left behind…
I’m planning to make a website on this.
I didn’t lose the court case but they didn’t win either. But they lowered their rent bill by 7000 Euros just to avoid the house to be inspected by the court’s consultants. Which would have been considerably cheaper and might have brought them 13000 Euros, if the place was clean…
So it is clear to see that they didn’t want to have their house “officially inspected”. Because in Germany only measurements carried out by government approved experts can be used as real and valid evidence in a court of law…
But my landlord would have gotten his ass kicked and his house closed down if they had proceeded with the case that the had originally started. The started rhis case to shut me up, because they expected me to die.
Good to know that they had lost their own son in there.
Anyway I told everybody in the whole area and showed all my lab reports around. Shutting me up never worked… His house has become “unsalable”.
The architect, a guy that takes everybody to court and yells at anybody for any reason…
He didn’t even appear in court. I had said openly and in public that a sniper would be present on the opposite building block to the county courthouse…
These landlords know “what they have done” and that they don’t need any courthouse anymore if I get cancer from their shit.
Even now, with high severity MCS, they would have problems in putting me in jail. They would need to build a special chemical free cell for me…
Of course I don’t do that, but having them turn their head in fear every morning when the leave the house is nice…
Writing about what these chemicals did to my brain is to “too much” and “too off-topic” here, but I will write one extensive post one day.
The reality is: It also is MGTOW knowledge. Many married couples split up after they got sick from wood preservatives in their houses. This stuff makes people highly aggressive and loveless.
And it is “silently buried” in 5 million German houses. Still evaporating for the next 750 years…
In 1989, these chemicals were outlawed but the houses that had been treated with billions of liters of this “devil’s matter” are still being used and resold.
Every once in a while a case like mine “pops up” and is silenced in the corrupt court system.
This video is in German but after reading my story, anyone can comprehend what they are saying and doing:
At position 8:32 you see a woman that cannot talk right anymore…
The man at 36:00 is a case just like mine. Once good looking, now obese and with loss of balance and skin sensitivity… (I managed to get most of the fat off by now, but the nerves are wrecked – and stay wrecked, that is PCP with Lindane)
Dr. Binz is one of the most competent men on “chemical poisoning in workplaces” – now retired.
I go to his colleague in Heidelberg.
One more from the ZDF: A man that renovates his house for 120000 Euros after he was hospitalized over 40 times and after his parents got extremely ill from cancer and dementia…
These wood preservatives cause irreversible damage and most people find out about the problem after it’s too late… Because you can’t smell them.
:::::: There is NO difference between WOMEN and CATS :::::::::::: I say: MOTHERS, SISTERS and other PETS ::::::
gargamel,
you have been through what i would not wish on anyone.
detoxifying the body from these chemicals is tricky..
i’m sure not qualified to give you any advice.
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i knew someone that worked in a lab,
and complained about various chemicals not being stored correctly..
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took years to win the lawsuit..
has chemical sensitivity..
the smell of perfume alone can trigger hours of sickness..
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slowly with gary null’s protocols..
better and better..Worry About Yourselves Cunts.
Great post!
For me it’s simple- Success or females
I’m interesting in self-development and maximizing my human potential. I simply can’t do that with a female holding me back.
As a Man becomes more Handsome (Rich), it changes the dynamic of the relationship. Women react by trying to hold a Man back and prevent him from realizing greatness.
Women know there’s no way for them to become more Pretty (young) to balance things out, so they have no choice but to sabatoge your success.
"Don’t try to get the female to love you- that’s impossible. Instead, try to realize the truth. There is no female love." - Masculine_Man
LOL.
Thanks for the video of the Ride the Ducks one.
I haven’t seen him in over two decades and thought he might have branched off into motivational speaking.
I can’t say too much on a forum, but I dated his daughter for awhile I was in college. She eventually settled down with a beta provider by 31/32 when her SMV started falling and she is a stay at home mom now.
She went from Ride the Fucks. . . .
to Ride the Bucks.
Great post!
For me it’s simple- Success or females
I’m interesting in self-development and maximizing my human potential. I simply can’t do that with a female holding me back.
As a Man becomes more Handsome (Rich), it changes the dynamic of the relationship. Women react by trying to hold a Man back and prevent him from realizing greatness.
Women know there’s no way for them to become more Pretty (young) to balance things out, so they have no choice but to sabatoge your success.
And you put it all together like the refrain of a song.
The answer to “Where have all the good men gone” is:
You women are not compatible with good men.
You are “sugar in the tank” of a shiny sports car…
Sand in the gearbox…
Dust in a car painting chamber…
Grease on the stairway of life…
An accident waiting to happen…
:::::: There is NO difference between WOMEN and CATS :::::::::::: I say: MOTHERS, SISTERS and other PETS ::::::
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