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[–]VestigialPseudogene[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

Copying the original response because it's a perfect R1:

Just 1 question, are the statistics about blacks wrong?

No. They are directly taken from actual FBI statistics.

If not, what excuse do you post now?

It would be very interesting to go trough these links, the first one specifically, the second one is going to be longer and the third link is exceptionally long but it also answers additional questions to your original post.

Also important to note that these links lead to very in depth explanations, not "excuses".

 

[1] https://np.reddit.com/r/badscience/comments/4s6zw2/stormfront_copypasta_upvoted_to_the_top_and/

[2] https://np.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/39bx7w/welcome_to_ahs/cs2bzsr

[3] https://np.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/39t4vx/gathering_some_old_refutations_of_the_typical/

[–]Zekarus 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I can't help but feel these pseudoscientific nonsense like "race realism" is becoming more and more common lately.

I swear it's becoming the new antivax and homeopathy.

[–]zeonicore 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I doubt it's becoming more common. Ideas like "race realism" are pretty old and formed the basis of racism in the first place. We know that racism overall is decreasing, so "race realism" is probably decreasing as well.

[–]ctj09002 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is racism actually decreasing? It makes sense as we become more interconnected with the web and as we become more educated. But wouldn't that have a greater effect on more overt racism than subtler forms like unconscious bias? I'd be interested in any papers you could point me towards.

[–]Zekarus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe. I really hope so. I just might have that perception because I dabbled into the "alt right" for better part of the year (right until I realised how a good chunk of them are literally neo Nazis).

I look at the support Trump has been getting and how emboldened "race realists" have become with him. And in Australia where we had a huge neo Nazi really just last year, with 14/88 signs and everything, and the choice of senators in our Parliament.

But it's possible I only have that perception because I still haven't distanced myself from these politics.

I really do hope you are right.

[–]Das_MimeYOU IGNORE 3 OF 4 DAYS - FORCE 4 DAYS ON EARTH 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

All the same, though, the statistics about black crime rates absolutely are wrong. The entire justice system is geared to be more likely to convict black people who are accused of a crime. It's really really well documented and yet somehow nobody ever mentions the fact that conviction rates aren't the same thing as crime rates.

[–]VestigialPseudogene[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your argument here is pretty well documented in either the second or third link, but yeah I agree.

Also with "the statistics are true" I actually just meant "not completely invented" because the numbers stem from real data. The actual fallacy here obviously is not using context and relying on correlation.

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