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[–]RangersBelvedre 1217ポイント1218ポイント  (41子コメント)

Please don't. Might as well rename the sub /r/premierleaguegifs then

[–]Real Oviedosuckitnewtabs 248ポイント249ポイント  (24子コメント)

I agree, the mods probably see many more shitposts than the general public here so it may seem troubling from their perspective, but as long as they're worried about end user experience I think banning stuff will severely limit the sub. The positive of the one great question thread that makes it to the sub's front page far outweighs the buch of shitposts I rarely engage with anyway.

[–]Arsenalthekrone[M] 209ポイント210ポイント  (22子コメント)

I agree, the mods probably see many more shitposts than the general public here so it may seem troubling from their perspective

Brother... the shit we've seen...

[–]Manchester Citydeception42 34ポイント35ポイント  (15子コメント)

And there was the Joaquin banner pic from earlier this week...

[–]Independientetango_rojo 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

Lol, yeah, WTF was that?! The worst part is that I was at work when I saw it...

[–]Arsenal9jack9[M] 37ポイント38ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sorry about that. I'll change the way /r/soccerbanners works so it won't happen again. It will probably mean that the banner is not updated as quickly as it is now but it will stop those kinds of troll-posts.

EDIT: Interestingly, all recent /r/soccerbanners submissions have been sent to the spam filter. The admins were obviously not impressed.

[–]Portland TimbersRagnar_Targaryen 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can the people that didn't see that banner maybe get a link?

[–]Arsenal9jack9 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

Posting NSFW links is against the rules and I could get banned!

This is actually not pornographic or anything but it does feature male nudity, NSFW:

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccerbanners/comments/3m2n32/joaquin_captaining_real_betis_against_his_former/

[–]Portland TimbersRagnar_Targaryen 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ahh I see. Didn't know I'd see a peepee . . .

[–]Ajaxajax96 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your comment actually made me laugh really hard. I know it adds nothing to the discussion etc but I thought you should know someone started laughing loudly at your comment

[–]LiverpoolICritMyPants 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

What pic was it?

[–]SouthamptonTheTyrantis 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

Did you always have a Man City flair? Thought it was USA flair.

[–]Manchester Citydeception42 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

Wore the US flair during the WWC and Gold Cup

[–]SouthamptonTheTyrantis 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

Alright, wasn't entirely crazy then.

[–]BarcelonaBrennantheGamer 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

How do you guys recognize people's usernames and remember people's flairs? Ive seen people do it a lot, its weird because i dont remember anybody other than omar

[–]SouthamptonTheTyrantis 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because I remember him posting USA-related match threads and gifs, plus his name is relatively easy to remember. Kinda like how I remember /u/NickTM because he's pretty much the most active Crystal Palace fan on /r/soccer and he posts everywhere.

[–]Crystal PalaceNickTM 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

I AM EVERYWHERE

I AM THE NIGHT

[–]SouthamptonTheTyrantis 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

There is a dearth of good content when it comes to self posts, but there are definitely some good posts too, especially ones that have a lot of content that isboth random and interesting.

[–]ArgentinaTheOnlyJuan 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's baffling that the mods would rather ban discussion threads rather than twitter/vines that people have been trying to ban for months!

[–]arayofhope 86ポイント87ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yea.

The discussion threads are fine.

Most of the bad ones are deleted quickly anywyas.

What is most concerning I think, is the amount of people calling everything a shitpost.

These are the worst as they don't even offer any amount of discussion at all.

[–]The Netherlandskarmakomma 49ポイント50ポイント  (6子コメント)

I have had it with repeated meme and #bantz comments that infest the sub over and over again, every thread.

Will XX win Champions league and get relegated?

Based XX!

Is XX the next Messi?

Wenger almost signed the young XX amirite!

http://i.imgur.com/cOMj3.gif

[–]PSV EindhovenJitte 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

This [insert 50 million player] is really making a name for himself.

[–]SK BrannSunkenLoki 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

So apparently this "insert top 10 player in the world" lad is quite decent.

[–]Liverpoolthejoaq 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Always rated /u/karmakomma's comment.

[–]The Netherlandsdipsauze 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Wenger comment will stay as longs as articles keep popping up with Wenger saying he wanted to sign/ almost signed a player, and I still think it's funny, but tastes differ

[–]North County BattalionRafaeliki 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's only shitposting when the OP is making the post terrible on purpose.

[–]SouthamptonMICOTINATE 191ポイント192ポイント  (29子コメント)

I think an equally big problem as shitposts is when the first 5 comments of any self post are usually dismissive, aggressive attempts at humour. Shitcomments basically.

Someone could post "what are the biggest challenges facing football as a sport? " or something equally inoffensive that has a chance of good discussion and the first comments would be about 'dearth of leftback' and just nothing productive.

I don't think removing or limiting certain types of posts is the answer. At the end of the day its a big sub and we're all at different points of knowing the sport, for everyone who rolls their eyes at yet another "who was the bestest most world class ever?" there is someone who hasn't had that discussion ten times yet and still finds it interesting.

If you start drawing lines on what's allowed to be spoken about you'll just further the divide between the naive-annoying new fans and the holier-than-thou know-it-alls that plagues this place anyway. Every self post will get smarmily suggested to be taken elsewhere.

Honestly I know it went down like a lead balloon last time but hiding comment scores really is the best way to cutout the in-group, out-group, I-know-more-about-football band wagon voting. Also hidden scores might cut down on people going for karma on new posts by just chucking out the meme of the week.

Removing downvotes for posts could help too, people will upvote what they like, posts rise on merit rather than just being the least derided.

[–]Arsenalthekrone[M] 34ポイント35ポイント  (22子コメント)

I think an equally big problem as shitposts is when the first 5 comments of any self post are usually dismissive, aggressive attempts at humour. Shitcomments basically.

I think this is a really important point without a really good solution. How do we stop this from being so common?

Removing downvotes for posts could help too, people will upvote what they like, posts rise on merit rather than just being the least derided.

We attempted this at one point years ago and it was a pretty big failure and people got quite angry about it and demanded we bring it back. That doesn't mean we won't try it again, we'd just have to get a feeling for whether or not people like that idea nowadays.

[–]Southamptonkahrismatic 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

How do we stop this from being so common?

/r/science does it really well. They effectively have a very large mod team, but the majority of them are 'comment mods' i.e. they basically only have privileges to manage shitty comments. It basically ensures someone's going to be there all the time with an eye on comments.

Of course we'd have to come to some sort of consensus/agreement on what's a shitty comment though, which sounds like fun.

[–]MiddlesbroughDrRedOrDead 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

As one of those mods it works very well, I've had to remove gilded and 5000 up vote comments before because whilst topical, it was not a scientific response.

I felt bad that day.

[–]Borussia Dortmundray_charles_MANSON 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

The life of a mod is never easy.

[–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That only works because it's a serious subreddit that doesn't allow memeing at all. You'll just have to get used to the fact that lots of folks on r/soccer have the comedic sophistication of a 13 year old and these memes will die when people are good and sick of them via natural selection.

If you see a shitty comment downvote it, call it out, and hope others are persuaded to seek a higher level of discussion.

Problem is soccer fans seem to be some of the least informed fans about their sport and most people are just too fucking stupid and reactionary to actually participate in something remotely close to what can be considered analysis. That's why posting memes is so successful because they're funny, everyone gets it and you don't have to really know much about anything to participate.

Much more difficult to actually discuss tactics and transfer strategy etc because people read too much of the tabloid level garbage and think you build a winning squad in real life the same way you would on FIFA. If a team plays like shit, 90% of the comments from their supporters are just whines with absolutely no substance. People are too wrapped up in the emotion of watching their team lose and become myopic and pin it on usually 1-2 scapegoats.

[–]LiverpoolAdrian5156 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think there is any great way to stop shit comments. The majority of them get downvoted anyway.

As for the self posts, is it too difficult to just delete what you guys see as utter shitposts? That way the new queue isn't clogged up with nonsense and the few interesting discussion posts a day have time to rise due to spending longer on /new? Plus, every once in a while there is some good OC on here.

Basically as a user I'd like to see less shit posts (the best XI/underrated type posts) and allow discussion engaging self posts such as this, this and this all of which have been decent discussion posts from the last couple days.

I also kinda like the questions concerning "What is your favorite goal/moment/save", they're usually good for reliving a classic moment or too.

But it's the needless downvoting of the actually interesting self posts that annoys me most. There are many posts every week that I'd like to see rise to the hot queue and get a few hundred comments but they rarely do due to the needless downvoting of most self posts.

[–]Juventuszeshie 18ポイント19ポイント  (7子コメント)

How do we stop this from being so common?

I think that by raising the quality of the content on the sub will see these comments drop. Banter will stay forever, but those shit comments at the very beginning will die out if there is a noticeable improvement in content, at least in my opinion.

people got quite angry about it and demanded we bring it back.

I'd say trial this and maybe it will encourage some more positivity around here. Maybe try removing it for non-subscribers or putting a hover message.

[–]LiverpoolAdrian5156 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

I like the idea of a hover message.

One of the big problems with reddit and especially r/soccer is that someone who makes a long post but says a few things that people disagree with will be downvoted based on the disagreement over a few of his points and not upvoted because of the validity of the majority of his points.

Let's say Liverpool play Man City and I make a bunch of points about the game that are valid but then I say "I thought Kompany played well" - If most people disagree that Kompany played well then I will more likely than not be downvoted because of the one unpopular point I made, even if everything else I said was fine.

A hover message would make people think twice. I know I've downvoted posts that contribute to discussion in the past simply because I disagree with one or two points, and I probably wouldn't have downvoted those posts if there was a hover message

[–]Juventuszeshie 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes I know I have been in the same boat too, it has made me think twice. I just had asked for it last week to be added to /r/juve and it's made me double check my thinking already.

[–]AFC Clevelandmk09 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think that by raising the quality of the content on the sub will see these comments drop.

You're more of an optimist than me. Maybe they'd go away if there was a concerted effort to downvote them, or at least they would all be hidden, but much beyond that would be really tough. In my experience even good content gets shitty comments, particularly if a post doesn't make it to the front page.

[–]SouthamptonMICOTINATE 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

We attempted this at one point years ago and it was a pretty big failure and people got quite angry about it

I remember that, even at the time I didn't know what the fuss was about seemed like it was working fine to me. I suppose the trade off is that people who can't downvote might take to the comment section more often to say negative things as an outlet.

How do we stop this from being so common?

I honestly don't know, it's not just a facet of reddit in general but also football fans in general. Saying some bargain bin insult about someone's team will always get some approval from any other opposition fans. It's always going to be here.

I don't want to go on about it but comment score hiding seems like the best solution to at least reduce it a bit. Part of the reason the same jokes and references get told over and over is because someone says it, it gets upvoted because someone else recognises the reference and then once it's +5 or whatever it's off and running. Even people who are sick and tired of the joke see the reference, see that other people have recognised it and want to be "in on the joke" however shit they know it is.

If you hide scores even for a while it diminishes the "haha guys I get it too! I'm in the cool gang" effect because no one knows how popular the comment is. That "rhubarb, dearth of lloyd" comment that tangentially links to a thread about Roberto Carlos might not be the top voted any more because people can't just vote with the crowd and will see it for the crappy word association comedy it is.

[–]AFC Clevelandmk09 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would totally be in support of removing downvotes. I have a feeling that the majority of people who would be upset by that are the same people who cause most of the problems being discussed in this thread. If they really can't stand it they're free to leave, and I doubt many people would miss them.

[–]Barcelonahowgoyoufar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I support another trial of the downvote removal.

[–]riomx 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think an equally big problem as shitposts is when the first 5 comments of any self post are usually dismissive, aggressive attempts at humour. Shitcomments basically. Someone could post "what are the biggest challenges facing football as a sport? " or something equally inoffensive that has a chance of good discussion and the first comments would be about 'dearth of leftback' and just nothing productive.

I completely agree. And in my opinion, the problem isn't so much shitty posts, but that comment sections in any post have been allowed to become a free-for-all for amateur comedians or aggressive commenters that turn the slightest comments into arguments.

That's the issue with /r/soccer and why discussions fail. The community is dominated by people who don't want to have discussions, but are here purely for the purpose of being entertained and distracted. Because they've been enabled for so long, they ensure that discussions get quashed before they have a chance to gain momentum.

[–]Maccabi HaifaSharksFanAbroad 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a problem on reddit in general. People are a lot more likely to upvote "Klopp is the best manager available" than a 2-3 paragraph analysis on why Klopp is the best manager available.

In my opinion, people tend to upvote things they can't readily dispute. A quick one-liner is likely hard to disagree with and thus easy to upvote. You see all the same users doing this bullshit, without providing any real opinion/stance. I hate that garbage, and often ask "would you mind elaborating?" and nothing. They came for their upvotes.

Also, another issue is the fluff-comment. Three weeks into a season, if a random club (say, Eibar) is near the top of the table, someone will quickly comment "they look great, I could see them making a major run this year." That contributes zero, and is a feel-good Cinderella comment, that also gets 100's of upvotes.

Basically, there's no fighting it. People here have common triggers that make them want to upvote something. Be it a feel-good lie that makes them happy momentarily or a simple quip that can't be disputed. At the end of the day, there's not enough people here for real discussions; they come for the upvotes. At least the stuff that makes the front page is occasionally informative or a decent GIF if nothing else.

[–][deleted] 256ポイント257ポイント  (7子コメント)

Removing question threads

don't agree with this. not enough self post-discussions already. that's overmoding. browsing the new queue here is fun

I like how you all get rid of the clutter when lots of people post the same thing at the same time. but that's the only thing I really think you should remove - the duplicate content.

[–]Chelmsford Cityhellier 32ポイント33ポイント  (4子コメント)

browsing the new queue here is fun

I tend to find any posts I reply to that are listed from the new category, that they are often removed shortly after I make a comment. So I just don't bother browsing by new any more.

[–]FeyenoordTheothor 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah this happens a lot in my experience and I often have no idea why they would remove the thread.

[–]Arsenal9jack9[M] 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

Often, it's not been removed, it's just been downvoted so much that you can no longer see it.

You can change your preferences so that you always see everything, no matter how much it's been downvoted.

[–]Arsenalthekrone[M] 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

When this happens you are welcome to message us and we'd be happy to explain why something was removed.

[–]Francecalbertuk 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's overmoding

Exactly, that's why the downvote button is here.

[–]rooya 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like the shitposts

[–]Southamptonjoethesaint 143ポイント144ポイント  (26子コメント)

Creating a new subreddit for questions

Creating regular discussion threads akin to Free Talk Friday

I fear these two wouldn't work because these low-effort posters probably don't bother checking if there is somewhere more appropriate to post first.

[–]Germanydogididog 78ポイント79ポイント  (8子コメント)

A sub just for question wouldn't really work. But a daily questions thread stickied on the front page could work. It's been used on other subs before.

[–]Arsenalthekrone[M] 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

I wouldn't be opposed to this, but to the best of my knowledge we can still only sticky one thing at a time. This would mean we'd never have anything else stickied ever.

[Edit] My fault. Apparently they changed it to two stickies.

[–]Manchester Unitedyiyiyiyi[S,M] 68ポイント69ポイント  (5子コメント)

We can actually sticky two things now.

[–]Arsenalthekrone[M] 87ポイント88ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well I'll be hornswaggled.

[–]ThaSilverLurker 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its 2015. Get with the times.

[–]FC PortoSANDEMAN 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

what a time to be alive

[–]Derby CountyMechanicMonkey 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I frequent /r/fitness and /r/bodybuilding a lot, both are very popular subs, and both have daily discussions or Moronic Monday questions etc, I think /r/soccer would greatly benefit from something contextually similar stickied every day. Nice and easy to mod, and you can then get rid of the shit posts accordingly or for the first few months direct them to the Daily Discussions. Get some kind of code to do Daily threads automatically perhaps.

Could even do a few polls of potential ideas for Mondays - Sundays threads

[–]SouthamptonMICOTINATE 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I fear these two wouldn't work because these low-effort posters probably don't bother checking if there is somewhere more appropriate to post first.

There'll come a time to just abondon ship. If the current mods went and recreated a new sub exactly like this one but starting from scratch user-base wise I would go in a heartbeat.

The guys who just want karma for topbantz will stay here because there'll be more people upvoting and the new sub will have less drivel.

[–]Southamptonmiomike 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's why /r/football just sits there. Lurking in the background. Waiting.

[–]Ajaxteymon 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is not like the quality of discussion is better there, at least in my experience.

[–]Manchester Unitedyiyiyiyi[S,M] 11ポイント12ポイント  (11子コメント)

We would be able to automate removing these threads.

[–]Juventuszeshie 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

What exactly would be auto removed? I think daily threads are a cool idea, and getting rid of dumb questions is great, but there is sometimes good OC self-posts or an interesting question (disillusioned footballers yesterday was interesting). Would there be a way for people to get approved for posting a question?

[–]Manchester UnitedCosmicGravy 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I like the idea of the minimum character self posts. People would have to actually put effort into their post and you would see a lot less of the "who is better", what's your favourite XI" type posts. Although posters could get around that by filling the post with spam characters to meet the quota too.

[–]Chelmsford Cityhellier 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like the idea of the minimum character self posts.

Padding questions is a terrible idea. Don't write 100 words when 10 will do.

[–]Manchester UnitedCosmicGravy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

When is a 10 word post ever any good though. The majority of the time it's a shitpost.

If someone has to put the effort into a post then most of the time it will put them off from shit posting.

[–]Arsenalthekrone[M] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Although posters could get around that by filling the post with spam characters to meet the quota too.

If we saw someone doing this we'd likely just go ahead and remove the post manually anyway.

[–]West Ham Unitedgreg19735 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

low-effort posters probably don't bother checking if there is somewhere more appropriate to post first.

One difference is that it'd then allow good posts to go there and for the shit posts to be removed. Currently question posts are allowed so we have no reason to remove them. The new rules would "allow' the mods to remove the low effort posts.

IMO the problem is the low effort posts.

[–]Hamburger SVSvorky 87ポイント88ポイント  (5子コメント)

Can you not just ban best XI, over/underrated, best X of X threads and remove them? That'd take care of ~90% of shitty questions.

Separate subs never work, really. It's guaranteed to be a ghost town. And there are good questions/self posts, so outright banning them would get rid of a good amount of valuable content.

Weekly threads could be alright I suppose.

Whatever you do I think you need to be careful, this sub is pretty low on discussion as it is already.

[–]Eintracht Frankfurtafito 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Though I'm not sure if the mods would be able to keep up with it, I browse /r/soccer/new fairly often and on the worst days you have a shitpost every 5min it's insane.

It might help to introduce post flairs though, I'm not sure if there's enough space in the css but it could help both the mods and the users to filter and handle content much more easily.

[–]Hamburger SVSvorky 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know much about all this hip internet nonsense, but wouldn't it be possible to just alter the post-submit page with a big fat banner saying "nobody cares about your stupid Ronaldo vs. Messi post"?

Just having the rule and making people aware might have a big enough impact without the need to delete everything that still gets posted in spite of it.

[–][deleted] 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't think removing all question threads is a good idea because they can lead to interesting discussions. Having said that, obvious shit posts and repeated threads (ie. most overrated players? Your unpopular opinion?) should definitely be removed imo.

The minimum character requirements is a good idea, though it shouldn't be ridiculous. I like the idea of a regular discussion thread and have actually had that idea before. It could really cut down on the questions because people could just wait and ask them there.

[–]Arsenalthekrone[M] 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

What prompted that discussion was that a lot of the self posts we see are literally just a title... no body to give context or provide examples or explanations or even give the original poster's thoughts. I just think you should have to put a little more thought into a post before you submit it here.

[–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

No I definitely see what you're saying, I just meant expecting multiple paragraphs is a bit much, expecting a body is certainly not asking too much. Even for question threads just giving some context on why you're asking the question can lead to more discussion. I definitely get annoyed when I see those low effort posts, they're a waste of space 9 times out of 10.

[–]Arsenalthekrone[M] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sure, we definitely wouldn't make it a multiple paragraph requirement. Just a certain number of characters that would require a couple of sentences.

[–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah would definitely be behind that then. It's not asking much for a couple of sentences and it would hopefully cut down on some of the shit posts and troll threads.

[–]FeyenoordTheothor 31ポイント32ポイント  (9子コメント)

[–]Liverpool_underrated_ 45ポイント46ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah, but they're clogging up the frontpage of /r/soccer when you could instead of those have a gif of great first touch by some Premier League player, gif of a great Arsenal pass or 4 more articles from english newspapers about Rodgers maybe being sacked.

[–]Swansea CityHOPSCROTCH 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

a gif of great first touch by some Premier League player

Honestly it's not even impressive in the slightest. When things like that make it to the front page with comments like "absolutely filthy" and "disgusting" it reminds me how many people on this sub have never played the game before

Edit: in case it wasn't clear, I'm completely agreeing with your comment and can see it's sarcastic, just wanted to be serious for a second about that gif

[–]Boca JuniorsIsNoyLupus 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is directed to the Mata one right?

[–]Swansea CityHOPSCROTCH 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes

[–]Molde FKthenorwegianblue 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That gif was basically a decent first touch and a missed pass, absolutely absurd that something like that ends up at the top of this subreddit. Any professional player could do the same, and most amateurs to tbh.

[–]Barcelonaexceptioniol 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

while he was (i really hope) being sarcastic, i agree. if these questions make the front page, it's because the community as a whole has made it so. The people who complain about it might consider more niche reddits (r/edenhazardfartingwhiledribblinggifs, r/mourinhoisms, r/everytransferrumoreverseriouslyitdoesntmatterhowdumbwewillpostit, r/chelsea)

Complaining users just appear whiny and internet mad.

[–]LiverpoolAdrian5156 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

These are all great threads, but the problem is the needless downvoting of almost any self post or question thread. I would like to see many of these threads reach the hot queue and garner a few hundred comments but because of the needless downvoting.

Then again the upvote/downvote are used to determine what people want to see, and that is mainly gifs and rumors. The problem is 95% of the subscribers to this sub simply come here for the gifs and rumors and then leave. It makes it difficult for the minority who want to have discussion.

[–]Borussia DortmundSwbp0undcake 42ポイント43ポイント  (3子コメント)

Low-effort self posts/Questions? Maybe ones that are like: Messi vs Ronaldo? That are repeated everyday but not ones that can actually cause discussion like "What do you dislike about a different club from your league" or whatever it was. That was a good thread to read through.

Please please PLEASE don't ban all self posts, I don't want this being gif only

[–]Brapfamalam 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah I was going to make a post explaining the perceived FA inconsistencies, why the FA were consistent in banning Matic and removing Gabriel's ban after reading their appeals process documents - because a lot of people seemed to be bringing it up.

I didn't do it because it basically came down to me not being arsed, but I'd like the option to in the future.

[–]West Ham Unitedgreg19735 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please make that post.

We don't want to remove well constructed discussion posts.

We want to remove low effort bullshit questions that are 90% trolling and/or laziness.

[–][deleted] 40ポイント41ポイント  (15子コメント)

The answers are the problem not the questions.

This place is for gifs, rumours and keeping up to date with scores, news. It attracts a fairly young, male, "banter" heavy userbase. Discussion is pretty low down on the order and since I have been subscribed for a couple of years, the quality of discussion has certainly decreased, while the amount of in-jokes, one-liners and gossipy biassed post-titles has increased. I've been a part of doing that myself here.

Some days the front page looks like buzzfeed. It influences the culture so when someone posts a thread asking "how good are Barcelona" they get a slew of sarcastic, lame jokes back, rather than discussion. I mean that's fine if you like that sort of thing and often it is actually fairly funny in a sort of bleak way.

[–]Juventusalpha1028 27ポイント28ポイント  (9子コメント)

I completely agree, people will complain about people posting crap submissions but the real decline in this place has been in the comments.

With every passing month it gets worse and worse, in the past you could discuss things even in the comments on unrelated submissions but now there is virtually none.

And the simple fact is that unless you ban around 70% of the people on here nothing will change, mods can do certain things but without incredibly strict moderation it'll never be anything more than what it is now

[–]Juventuszeshie 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's really a shame. When I first found this subreddit users like you and several others were known for their high quality comments and commentary, but I don't think I could name anyone like that anymore.

[–]Juventusalpha1028 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm nothing special when it comes to football knowledge but there were some truly wonderful people here who could really analyse situations properly and give great insight into a number of different things, and that what really endeared me to this place in the beginning because I was able to constantly find interesting topics and discussion which you could learn from, but I don't see any of that anymore. Roughly 80/90% of the people I really liked here left in bad circumstances or just avoid commenting if they are still here. And of those left the majority are in /r/soccercirclejerk poking fun at the state of the place.

[–]Crystal PalaceNickTM 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think it's any secret that I'm all over the place here. I turn up in virtually every thread. I really like this place.

With that said, even I have considered just packing it in sometimes. All the times I've been sent aggressive PMs weren't great, but I have a rather thick skin so I mostly find them vaguely pathetic and occasionally amusing rather than disheartening. What really turns me off this subreddit is when I've seen people downvoted for an opinion - and I must clarify here that my issue with that isn't internet points, but that the opinion in question is getting mindlessly buried because it goes against the grain. But I guess that's just reddit. What isn't just reddit is what changes have been happening over the course of my hanging around here.

There's now a really poisonous atmosphere around here at times, and I'm of the opinion that it's been getting worse. This place likes to consider itself all about the bants, and that would be fine if it actually was, but in reality people want to have their cake and eat it when it comes to taking the piss. So many times I've seen inoffensive jokes buried. And that's fine, bury jokes, I don't mind, but then you can't claim this sub is welcoming towards taking the piss and bemoan any attempt to make this place more serious.

I dunno. It's a sad state of affairs. This place has so much potential - you can see that by looking at other sports subs, and by considering that even like this /r/soccer is better than most places to discuss football - but it's just being wasted by this childish yet aggressive cloud that just taints the vast majority of this sub.

[–]Swedenpreciousdoggy 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

unless you ban around 70% of people on here nothing will change

Interesting, why do you think there needs to be strict moderation on Soccer like AskHistorians? Who is the 70% you will ban to change things?

[–]SouthamptonMICOTINATE 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Basically, like any internet community the bigger it gets bigger so the variation between members of the community gets bigger.

Once the variation gets to a certain point the only things that become popular are the things that best cater to the lowest common denominator.

This is a huge sub now, and as it gets bigger the lowest common denominator gets lower.

[–]Manchester Unitedyiyiyiyi[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

It influences the culture so when someone posts a thread asking "how good are Barcelona" they get a slew of sarcastic, lame jokes back, rather than discussion.

This is what I'm kind of getting at. When we allow the 'worst' content to persist then it lowers the tone of the entire subreddit.

[–]SouthamptonMICOTINATE 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Self posts aren't the worst offenders for instigating that culture though. Someone self-posting "spurs are shit" won't get too much traction.

It's the endless autobiography quotes and links to quotes and articles where a former player slags off a club that fosters the shitty banter. "lads, it's Tottenham" has gone from a slight smirk inducing anecdote to the most heavily beaten dead horse man has ever known and that didn't come from a self post.

[–][deleted] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

The voting system takes care of what people want I guess. People come here to watch gifs or talk about news on the big teams for the most part. I've basically stopped with any discussion threads myself because they just didn't get any interest anymore. The "any questions" threads I do now and again seem to get less and less interest also. It's hardly worth posting them really.

You probably have to take a choice to either heavy mod it or go with the flow, I assumed you guys mostly took the latter and it is a pretty popular place for it.

[–]Sheffield WednesdayRobbomot 48ポイント49ポイント  (4子コメント)

Leave them as they are, I browse new quite a bit and don't see many of the posts people circlejerk about. If they're bad then people downvote them and move on. There are enough good questions in there to keep this sub good. Eliminating question threads is silly. Will just leave gifs of goals which wouldn't make this sub any better

[–]Liverpool_underrated_ 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, if you remove that r/soccer would just become a place you could come in for 2-3 minutes, see all the gifs and then go.

At least self-posts can sometimes bring some decent discussion.

[–]Leicester Citymessy_messiah 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Maybe just establish some rules so that people have to take some time and think a little harder in order to come up with some quality discussion topics. That being said, I would really hate for this sub to become overly serious. Let's remember why we're here and what we're talking about.

[–]West Ham Unitedgreg19735 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could go to a daily discussion thread if that's what you wanted.

I'm not saying that's the only solution. But it's possibly one.

[–]perry_cox 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Removing question threads

please no. I still like the occasional discussions and we are low on those already.

Placing a minimum character requirement on self-posts

Interesting and worth trying. Although, won't be new match threads that get updated quickly caught in this? (people who start match thread with minimal info and edit more as time goes by, or post match threads that are just vids of goals - we still have those for non-high profile matches). It's interesting idea for sure, although I think good discussions can come from low char count as well.

Creating a new subreddit for questions

dead on arrival.

Creating regular discussion threads akin to Free Talk Friday (these can be daily, weekly, etc.)

which will have the same problem as the Friday talk thread has. Unless you come to thread in first 10 minutes... don't bother. Reddit is not built up to have multiple discussions over several topics and in long timespan in one thread. Never seen it work on reddit.

[–]United Statesbgp1845 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

if you're going to outlaw anything, outlaw pointless gifs and tweets.

[–]Manchester UnitedAlder_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Creating regular discussion threads akin to Free Talk Friday

This would he a good idea but much like self posts, I doubt it'd get much steam though. Making a new subreddit seems extreme, no point alienating some of the community. Maybe have mods approve self posts and for those who make quality self posts often, have them approved full time.

EDIT: Any chance we can be stricter on banning people and maybe get a state of the subreddit every once in a while.

[–]Manchester Citydeception42 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree with most of this. Questions threads shouldn't be banned altogether... I think that it may put off some people from /r/soccer (and maybe the sport altogether if they're trying to understand something about it). Concerning another sub, there already is /r/soccernoobs but I don't use it at all.

I do think a regular "Stupid Questions Thread" would be a good idea. The more regular they are (like once a week), I think it'd be better.

[–]Leicester Citymessy_messiah 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stupid Question Threads would be a great idea!!! /nobanter

[–]SV Darmstadt 98TuchelTrainergott 72ポイント73ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think we should ban all selfposts, they just get in the way of all the EPL and former EPL player goal gifs in shitty quality.

[–]Al-Zawra'aThankyouedge 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

Can I suggest removing scores for an hour , because most of this sub would vote with the general score of the comment

[–]ArsenalWorksAt_Silph_Co 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

This feature did exist a while back on this sub but some pricks started whining about it

[–]Crystal PalaceGroundDweller 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

fuck em, just do it. They're probably the type to have their opinions swayed by a comment's score anyway

[–]Crystal PalaceNickTM 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a great suggestion.

[–]Benficazlatan10ibra 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This a great idea. Also in post match threads can we somehow keep that thread in random mode ? Low effort comments always get there first and gain up votes in seconds, de railing the thread.

[–]Manchester UnitedTakley 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Dont see why anything needs to be changed, unless the mods feel the workload of deleting such threads is too much then fair enough i cant comment on that.

Browse new all day, personally dont think it's that bad, most shit posts and such get downvoted and/or deleted within good time. Front page and such of the thread is barely ever impacted so for people who dont browse new dont see it showing much to them at all.

[–]Manchester UnitedAlder_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Browse new all day, personally dont think it's that bad, most shit posts and such get downvoted and/or deleted within good time.

Yeah but so does everything else self posted even the interesting questions.

[–]Manchester UnitedTakley 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah but so does everything else self posted

Well no thats just not true

e.g. "Which player was never the same after a particular event in their career? For better or worse?"

"What do you dislike about a club or clubs in your league?"

"Who the hell does Steve McClaren call during matches?"

Very easy to see examples of self posts being upvoted to 100+ on front page, they are never going to regularly get the thousands goals etc do.

[–]Manchester UnitedAlder_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I suppose it depends on whether it's a match day or not.

[–]Aston Villalogicisfortheweak 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm real late to this discussion, but I'd personally like to see a MatchDay Goals thread where all the GIFs are posted there. I appreciate the work all the people who GIF the goals do, but it is very hard to find the threads that discuss the games because all I see are individual threads for each goal.

Why not a "Premier League Goals - Gameweek 8", La Liga Goals - Gameweek 8", 'Serie A Goals - Gameweek 8", etc., where they can all be contained? Would clean up the subreddit immensely and hopefully solve some of the recent complaints about GIF quality since these posts wouldn't gain any link karma.

[–]Indy Elevendranani 16ポイント17ポイント  (20子コメント)

Creating regular discussion threads akin to Free Talk Friday

This one sounds like the best IMO

Removing question threads

that would make this sub basically gifs and match threads, not bad but lacks discussions usually.

EDIT: After thinking about it, banning question submissions would be a good idea and designate a thread once a week or whatever kind of time frame the mods decide would be a good idea,

Placing a minimum character requirement on self-posts

if i wanted this i would go to twitter semi-joking

Creating a new subreddit for questions

This might sound me being lazy, but I'd rather have everything in one sun. The only exception here is /r/soccerstreams IMO


There are some great self-posts on here and it would suck to see those go away becasuse a bunch of morons/troll spamming self-posts like "Is X better than Y will ever be?"

[–]FeyenoordTheothor 20ポイント21ポイント  (9子コメント)

One big discussion thread really doesn't work though. Only the first few topics will have "discussion" and if you ask an interesting question an hour later it will not be seen by anyone.

[–]Crystal Palacewutwatwhat 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/hiphopheads have a good system where they have a hip hop discussion thread everyday. It's very popular and works well.

[–]Manchester Unitedyiyiyiyi[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is something we could do. Do they remove self-posts outside of it?

[–]Crystal Palacewutwatwhat 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, you can see the guidelines here: https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/3m8dtz/daily_discussion_thread_09242015/

The discussions are usually quite casual, but everything has to be related to hip hop. People discuss anything from new releases, ranking albums, looking for recommendations. I think it would work well here because there's a lot of general questions like ranking players/managers, talking about past games, match day experiences.

[–]Southamptonjoethesaint 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

that would make this sub basically gifs and match threads, not bad but lacks discussions usually.

And articles. Basically any submission with a link. We're not short on content in that regard.

[–]Indy Elevendranani 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

true, but I feel that it would make this sub stale (for lack of a better word). Some questions are actually thought provoking and not just 12 year olds asking moronic questions.

[–]Arsenal9jack9 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Questions always seem to revolve around the same teams/players though.

[–]Indy Elevendranani 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah, i edited my statement. Banning questions would probably be a good idea and just make a dedicated thread for them or something.

[–]Swansea CityHOPSCROTCH 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

God, so many news articles are posted here. Is that what people do? Browse online news and post any football-related story? I often wonder what type of people make these submissions

[–]Manchester UnitedAlder_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Creating regular discussion threads akin to Free Talk Friday This one sounds like the best IMO

As mentioned in my previous comment, I fear this would face the same problem as self posts as it is unless stickies.

[–]Indy Elevendranani 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i bet they would sticky it, that would be the best idea

[–]Sheffield WednesdayWandering_Wednesday 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Without questions this sub would be awful. Yes many are daft but it's not nearly as bad as the constant parade of gifts like "Ozil skills" posted over and over.

[–]MexicoK10S 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What? No man, none of those suggestion would help the community. It would just make your job easier.

[–]Tottenham Hotspurflancresty 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both the best and worst posts here are self posts. I'm all for strong moderation to remove the kinds of frequent and low-value posts you mention, but I also recognize that moderating forums takes a lot more time than people realize, and I'm sure not volunteering to sift the signal from the noise.

So, absent strong human-based moderation, a minimum character limit might be a decent proxy. I assume mods can't mess with the post karma algorithms to for example make it harder for short selfposts to climb up the page relative to longer self posts.

[–]EnglandJTB4MOD 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Free Talk Friday is the biggest shitpost in the sub.

[–]Partizandaniloelnino 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a serious problem affecting all of reddit. To those proposing sending all the shitposts over to /r/soccercirclejerk, I have an argument for you.

We can't accept any more of you migrants in /r/soccercirclejerk. It's just economically not feasible. We've resorted to building a giant fence and closing our borders. We'd like to help out with the shitposting crisis, but really, this is a problem that Germany and the rest of the western subreddits (Lewandowski in particular) have caused. It is therefore up to you to solve. We are allowing your subscribers in but we're just giving them basic shitposting resources and letting them pass through in transit.

If every subscriber donated 1€ we could possibly allow for some sort of humanitarian aid. But in general, historically shitposting does not mix with our brand of serious discussion on soccercirclejerk. Allowing so many of you in would lower our quality of post and cause economic problems in terms of upvotes and downvotes.

Furthermore, we do not want to run the risk of your posters radicalizing on our subreddit and turning it into a place for legitimate debate and sharing of quality posts. No sirree.

[–]FeyenoordTheothor 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

Personally I do not see the problem. Just let the users decide with voting if it's an interesting selfpost. Maybe remove a selfpost when its heavily downvoted to clean up a bit.

[–]Arsenal14Deadsouls 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Generally I find the self posts to be the best threads on /r/soccer and the ones that generate the best discussion.

[–]Italymichaelisnotginger 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of self posts are made out of sheer laziness. Many are simple questions that can easily be answered with a quick internet search. Others are wide hypotheticals that are hard to answer, and others are for the sake of shit-posting (premier league vs. La Liga, Man Utd vs. Liverpool). The few that are interesting could be limited to posting on a specific day or time, and removed if many are posted. I think many people like the validation of r soccer. I think a sticked 'newbies/questions' thread could work.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My vote goes for this one

Placing a minimum character requirement on self-posts

If you can't create a decentish couple of paragraphs about your scenario/opinion/topic you want to discuss then the post doesn't merit a thread

This only leaves the tryhards, but they're seen as valuable users of /r/soccer anyway

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's your underrated, left footed, bald, U16 XI?

The chemo ward at Great Ormand Street have a good team, churning out new talent every year too.

In seriousness, yeah, remove low quality and silly self posts, leave the actual good questions up and let the community decide if it gains traction or not.

[–]Partick ThistleAlanArchibald 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Personally I think a discussion thread would be the best option. Don't delete the question threads unless they're blatantly trolling/circlejerking/nonsense. Sometimes the question threads can have fairly interesting answers, like the one about players being disenchanted the other day. Tbh I think the worst parts of this subreddit are the people that turn up in match threads and goal gif threads that just talk garbage anyway.

[–]Chelseahoneymonsta 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It would be cool if there was a weekly thread to discuss tactical trends and tactics within a particular game.

[–]Wrexhamhazzwright 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow, /r/Formula1 could learn a lot from this thread.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sidebar link to r/soccercirclejerk

[–]ChelseaSeekerInShadows 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds all awful ideas honestly.

[–]Nottingham ForestBills_Mothers 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I asked a question about comparing eras and it was deleted, yet there are numerous posts about "Is Ozil better than x"? And loads about Messi and Ronaldo that are repeats.

[–]Englandtigranater 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I think you should definitely strip off any remaining charm or discussion this subreddit may have that makes it unique, and make it solely a place to watch incomplete gfycats of boring goals from a pitchside camera angle.

[–]Barcelonaexceptioniol 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

it's an open forum.. accept that the football crowd tends to be young, fanatical, very defensive about their team and irrationally critical of other teams. But we all essentially agree to those unwritten truths when we contribute in the community. Is there a ton of immaturity here? yes.. Are there a bunch of assholes? yes..

Is banning questions a reasonable idea to come up with in an attempt to improve your community? not even close, it's insane. yes, right leaning republicans and extreme conservatives are fucking bat-shit crazy and possibly the stupidest group of people on the planet if you don't consider Chelsea fans. But in the wonderful world of the r/soccer community where free speech comes in the form of "top bantz" and "[insert chelsea player here] is a cunt", less government (moderation), the better.

Obviously I don't mean to say this place needs no policing whatsoever, I think the mods do an excellent job and there's not much of a need for what I consider radical change.

[–]AC Milanpinchcrimp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You nailed it as far as a ton of immaturity and assholes presence on this subreddit.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't like the idea of excluding questions. I like the idea of a minimum word count, but then you may exclude posts like 'archive of all of Messi's goals' which is just a list of lots of links. It may not have much worded content but it would still be a good submission.

Perhaps a way to minimise questions is to have a 'Simple Questions - Week of 21/09/15' thread or similar posted each week.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Requiring a minimum character requirement would solve a lot of the problems I reckon but would it not also exclude some content which only needs a few words to be said?

As someone who browses the new queue I think the mods do a good job of removing the shit content and low effort posts. I feel the good discussions will get upvoted though these types of posts seem to be 1 in 20 posts. Maybe a warning and then a 7 day ban for people who make shit posts would be a good deterrent perhaps?

[–]Evertonpractically_floored 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Removing question threads

I think some questions can generate good discussion, it's the questions that get asked over and over again that don't add anything to the subreddit.

Placing a minimum character requirement on self-posts

This could be a good idea, it wold mean people actually have to put some thought into their posts and it would get rid of a lot of the low effort nonsense that gets posted.

Creating a new subreddit for questions

I feel that it's unlikely this subreddit would become popular, and there wouldn't be enough people to actually hold decent discussion.

Creating regular discussion threads akin to Free Talk Friday

This might work, but if it means discussion posts are disabled then it would probably need to be more regular than FTF.

[–]ReadingDob-is-Hella-Rad 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

Removing question threads isn't a good idea in my opinion. There are lots of bad ones, but there have been a decent amount of fairly decent questions that actually spark good discussion. Personally, I can get most of my news, highlights and shit banter from elsewhere, so I think discussion is something that /r/soccer is actually better for than many other places. The questions don't even have to be brilliantly insightful, some of those "create an XI with a ridiculous stipulation" can be a fun thing to think about to kill some time, but there are a lot of needless ones. Like Joe said, a new subreddit and a discussion thread probably won't fix things that much (a discussion thread would do a little though, I'd be fine to see that, it just wouldn't fix everything. Actually come to think of it I'd like it, I just wouldn't expect it to make as big an impact on the self posts as you'd like). The character requirement could be interesting, I think it could be very good. There could be the occasional problem of if people ask open-ended questions and then put their opinion of an answer in the self-post and it's a good question but a terrible answer so they get downvoted. Then there'll definitely be people who try to get around it, or maybe some good questions where you don't need more characters, but I'm sure you could find a way to use them to prompt some greater discussion. And maybe you could have a banned list of questions. Some questions are worth being asked periodically (unpopular opinions is bad if it's every week, but every few months you'll get new ones as new stories emerge. Maybe those ones we can have a quasi-offical thread for), but there are some we can put to rest.

So basically, my point is that I like the discussion here, even some of the kind of inane hypothetical stuff, because /r/soccer is a good platform for it, my big problem is the same stupid questions where anything interesting's already been said.

Also, can we do something about shit responses to even decent questions? Like just straight-up not even trying to answer the question type responses.

[–]matig123 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is there not some sort of auto-moderator tool that can delete a post if the percentage of upvotes is too low? For example, if the post

Who has a bigger penis, Bendtner or Balotelli?

has, say, under 20% upvotes, it gets deleted automatically. That way the moderators don't have to be digging through self posts looking for the shit and the users are deciding which content they want to see.

[–]Manchester Unitedyiyiyiyi[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There can be self posts with a zero score but 200 comments. It's not uncommon. If we can create a space for that kind of discussion to be more visible that would be good.

[–]matig123 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

auto-moderator that checks comments and vote percentage? Something along those lines, you guys know best what marks a successful or unsuccessful post, but I'm sure it can be measured in numbers

[–]Englandinsighttoleft 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Creating a new subreddit for questions

Wouldn't work. Few people who can answer said questions would bother going on there - Not that many competent people go on new so there'd be even less on a completely new subreddit

[–]Chelseayjlevg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why not just do a regular "Moronic Monday" type thread that other subs have? I've seen the noob question threads here but they don't seem to be regular. Just make one of these threads a week and pin it to the top for that day, remove any posts with questions and redirect them to that thread

[–]Middlesbroughkabajingai 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem with self-posts is that they don't work well on a catch-all generic sub like this. On specific Arsenal/Chelsea/Wolverton subreddits you can basically pose a daft question or a very specific question. You simply can't do that on a general sub unless the question is very well-focused, intelligent/funny and able to attract decent comments from a large number of fans across the globe.

Also, here you have a mix of knowledgeable posters, the Archbishops of Banterburys and of course the 14 year old kids from Iowa who play Fifa. Its tough to satisfy everyone without being too esoteric or too low-brow in its content.

If we could create a single daily thread that can get all the 14 year old spammos asking stupid questions and posing daft hypotheticals (could Messi play in outer space?) than that would help alleviate a lot of problems and help clear up the clutter.

Also I think the amount of gifs is an absolute joke. When Lewandowski scores 5 in 9 minutes you have all 5 goals being upvoted on separate posts. I'm sorry but that is bullshit. Its from the same match. You really need to stop people from doing that imo. You don't allow people to post multiple match-threads, so why is that suddenly allowed? I don't want to see 4 or 5 posts that has basically the same content.

[–]Southamptonkahrismatic 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like self posts, but I don't really notice the ones that don't make it to the first couple of pages.

If you're going to change it then the weekly post on X topic/s sounds like the best way though. A new sub will have too limited an audience for much discussion, a determined troll will get around character limits anyway, and I'd hate to see discussion type posts go entirely.

Maybe we could just prominently link the /r/soccercirclejerk and hope a lot of the shit goes there where it might be more appreciated.

Another option is something like the /r/science way, basically taking on more mods with limited specific duties to deal with the problem.

Or can we tag posts in some way and then have the option to filter by the tags? I'm pretty sure a few subs have something like that. /r/food off the top of my head.

[–]Sydney FCOtifireMightblade 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Could you guys pls log some of the best shit posts on here and at the end of the season post them all as discussion points in a mega thread? Or maybe even a shit post of the year type thing? I can imagine there would be some terrible ones but could give us a laugh

[–]JuventusCee-Mon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think self posts are much of an issue. The really terrible ones are swatted by the mods (thanks for that, btw), the bad ones are downvoted and the few actual good posts usually make the front page.

[–]FC Unitedxtfftc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Removing question threads

Too broad.

Placing a minimum character requirement on self-posts

Again too broad.

Creating a new subreddit for questions

Does this ever work? The vast majority will stick to /r/soccer.

Creating regular discussion threads akin to Free Talk Friday (these can be daily, weekly, etc.)

Won't hurt but won't prevent people from posting separate threads - and many topics need a whole thread to be discussed properly.

Frankly, I'd be okay if you remove shitposts on subjective criteria, e.g. does the mod looking at it consider it a shitpost. I don't think anything else can work efficiently since the rules would either be too limiting or would have to be applied selectively.

Also, can you restrict regular offenders from opening new threads? Not banning them from the sub altogether, just not allowing them to start threads.

[–]Germanynowimanamputee 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What about a monthly moratorium? /r/badhistory has a community poll every month which decides which three topics will be banned the following month. So for example, the community could choose to ban any best xi posts for the month, and mods would remove any posts in that content area. It keeps the same topics from coming up too often and restores some of the freshness when they do come back.

[–]LiverpoolMarchinon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Is Anthony Martial the greatest player ever?" What am I in? /r/soccercirclejerk?

[–]Bayern Münchengotziller 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get why you want to get rid of the troll posts but what is the point of stopping all questions. Even the stupid ones from newbies shouldnt get deleted because if I was just getting into soccer and wanted to learn more I'd probably go to the soccer subreddit to learn

[–]The Netherlandsaman27deep 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a bad idea. If you lot are having trouble moderating new posts, add members to the mod team. Except self posts, this sub-reddit is a worse version of some sort of youtube.

[–]Chelsearenome 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The sub is bad enough as it is, banning self posts will just degrade it even further, even if we're just talking about question threads and stuff like that. I understand you want to make your job easier, but even /r/gaming didn't ban self-posts.

[–]Manchester UnitedMR777 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Leave the self posts, if they are good we will vote on them ourselves. Yesterday there wqs a great piece of analysis posted as a self post

[–]IranCameranAlavi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I made a thread about this topic a couple of weeks ago, and I think the consensus there is very similar to the consensus here.

What many subscribers to /r/soccer (and myself to an extent) believe: Self-posts can be important discussion-starters but they can also be pointless. However, I think we all agree that the mods already do a pretty good job of removing the latter before most of us can see them. The posts aren't the problem. The real problem is, again, with the comments.

I'm not even going to discuss the issue with comments myself because you read it in this post or my old post. We all know the meme responses need to stop, or at least slow down (I think each and every one of us can do our part to make this happen).

What I personally believe: I've seen people post legitimately good questions such as "Who is the best player to play for a country different from where they were born?" which have the potential to teach us a lot and kind of get the brain working. In fact, this was the first time I found out that Zidane was actually born in France, and is not an appropriate answer for this question; for some reason, I'd always heard he was born in Algeria. The point I'm trying to make is that self-posts need to be given a chance, and like someone else said on this thread: For every person who criticizes a question post for being repetitive, there is someone who hasn't had footballing friends around him and hasn't had the ability to discuss his question before.

I really think it would help an enormous amount to simply put a hover message over the downvote and upvote buttons. I know I'm guilty of downvoting something I simply don't agree with, and I know for a fact that I do this far less frequently on other subs when I'm reminded every time to make sure my voting rationale is unbiased. If someone doesn't want to contribute to a discussion, then just leave that discussion alone without voting either way; if enough people agree with/think like you, then you won't have to worry about it "reaching the front page" if that really is your concern. Of course, if you think a self-post will not inspire good discussion or is something that is truly repetitive, do us all a favor and downvote it, or better yet, simply comment with a link to where that question has been asked before. It may be naive, but I think that doing all these things will significantly help the issue as well as allowing self-posters to get their fill of discussion, albeit maybe in a separate thread.

Sorry for the rant, guys, but this is clearly a topic that I (and many of us) feel strongly about. At the end of the day, I think a hover message would do a world of good, and I also think it's the solution that fewest people would get angry about.

Edit: Just fixing up some typos.

[–]bonesbones90 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find that the most effective and organized sports sub is /r/cfb. They have multiple different discussion threads on a regular basis. I feel if we do this, it will create a more organized sub and allow better discussion. * Complain About Your Team Thread * Trash Talk * Free Talk Friday * Image, Video, GIF, Vine Thread * Weekly Wind Down

we could also do special threads for champions league, cup leagues, etc

[–]DenmarkTHEFreger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some subs like /r/civ has a weekly "stupid quistion post" which could remove a lot small question posts

[–]WalsallEl_Nombre_Occupado 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are some great question threads like the obscure grounds discussion threads, where people were posting photos of really cool football grounds they had visited and telling story's about them.

Leave the upvote/downvote system to do the job for you.

[–]Barcelonancocca 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Removing question threads

This is too broad. Just ignore stupid questions

Minimum character requirement on self posts

I like this. Also, this could help with the questions issue above, considering questions are inherently self-posts

Create new subreddit for questions

I assume this is in tandem with the first option? In that case, I say no, because you won't get the audience to make asking the question worthwhile

Regular discussion threads

Yes, I like these. They help facilitate disussion that is related to the game but sometimes not necessarily important enough to be its own topic

[–]GermanyPoorAuthor9 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think removing question threads is a terrible idea. It's actually one of the greatest parts of this subreddit. It's r/soccer, not r/soccergifs. I find the discussion threads to often be very insightful. It would be a really sad thing to see this subreddit cease to host discussions like that.

[–]RijekaLIGHTCATTY 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Utilise /r/AskSoccer

[–][deleted] 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

The problem with off-shoots of /r/soccer is that they end up being a flash in the pan and nobody really uses them after a while.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Creating regular discussion threads looks like the best Idea

[–]Manchester UnitedTheFormidableGiant 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Creating regular discussion threads akin to Free Talk Friday

This, this, this and this. This.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think new accounts or accounts that havnt written much in /r/soccer shouldnt be allowed to post self-posts or even submit links. This would stop people from posting nonsense on their throwawayaccount

[–]Manchester UnitedAlder_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Isn't their a option to stop people submitting stuff if they less than a certain amount of karma?

[–]Partizanautistic_wizard 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Have you ever thought about adding something like a [Serious] tag for the self posts?
If you search "serious" on this sub you can find quite a few decent discussions without retarded comments like "Lads, it's ____", "Typical arsenal" and other meme replies.

[–]MexicotheEternalDingus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But the shit posts are amusing! How else would we get such a gem such as Dearth of a rhubarb?

[–]Galatasarayapotre 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Banning question threads would be like cutting off your arm for the blister on your finger.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Placing a minimum character requirement on self-posts

This is the best one IMO.

[–]Manchester UnitedNINE_HUNDRED 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't remove all question threads, some are quite interesting. I think just ban the shit/meme post ones that crop up every week.

I don't see a separate subreddit working at all, don't think it's that much of an issue to divide things up.

[–]Stockport CountyKreindeker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Option four sounds best, along with stepping up nuking the shitposts. A regular discussion sticky works well on a number of different subs, and it'll help ensure the poor quality posts are streamlined.

[–]Feyenoordalpha_c 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

  • Removing question threads is harsh, imho. Sure there is shitposting and low effort stuff, but how are people with legitimate questions supposed to get their answers then? Besides, I've seen plenty of question threads with interesting discussion, which add to the value of /r/soccer.
  • How is a minimum character requirement supposed to solve anything?
  • A weekly question thread won't work either, I'm afraid. If that gets popular there's a good chance that good questions get buried, with only a handful of posts generating valuable discussion.

All in all, creating something like /r/soccerquestions seems to be the most sensible thing to me.

[–]Manchester Unitedyiyiyiyi[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • We can have daily threads for free discussion where people can ask questions.

  • It would get rid of very low effort content. Self-posts that are just titles.

[–]Olympique de Marseillegignac 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]Bournemouthmoonflower 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not a bad idea to remove the obviously poor quality questions like ''who is the third best footballer in the world?'' but I think it would be better to assess them individually rather than try to judge them by number of characters in the text, because you could feasibly have a very short question which leads to an interesting set of answers - so you could let each self post stay on display for a short while and then see how they are going in the comments section