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''Police Intelligence'' = browsing Reddit?!?! (self.unitedkingdom)

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fuck off and catch some real crime.

yes i am carrying sharp objects, my edges are too sharp.

edit: holy shit, this blew up. i hope i dont get arrested

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[–]tmstms 81ポイント82ポイント  (3子コメント)

If I were the right (young) age, it would be the perfect excuse.

'Why haven't you done your homework?'

'I had to help the Police with some intelligence work.'

[–]lithabornWest Midlands 104ポイント105ポイント  (16子コメント)

Considering Reddit's own success rate on crime solving, at least the actual police got the right bloke.

[–]grepnork 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

In some forward thinking juristictions you can even summon the police and media on reddit.

[–]lithabornWest Midlands 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, all you have to do to summon no end of clickbait media is to post a popular reply on /r/AskReddit . You'll be all over Facebook and Tumblr in hours

[–]shrewphysShropshire 13ポイント14ポイント  (11子コメント)

What's the story here? Did Reddit "solve" a crime and lynch some innocent fucker?

[–]lithabornWest Midlands 37ポイント38ポイント  (7子コメント)

The Boston marathon bomber episode is pretty infamous. They basically fingered the wrong bloke for it and he turned up dead in a river a week later. I'll update with a link when I can find it.

[–]LetterbocksKernow 31ポイント32ポイント  (4子コメント)

He was already dead when the witch hunt happened just to clarify

[–]lithabornWest Midlands 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah I didn't mean to imply reddit had driven him to it.

If I recall, there was also a kindergarten that someone decided looked creepy so they decided to investigate that, too. That might have been 4chan though. I read about it here though.

[–]duffkingEast Sussex 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/conspiracy's Fedora Bureau of Investigation decided a daycare in Salt Lake City was secretly some kind of top secret Government installation and started trespassing on it and harassing the owners

[–]ButterflyAttackTraveller 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sniggering at FBI.

Really, the internet has proved a great forum for basement-dwelling lunatics to make friends with other sweaty paranoics.

[–]lithabornWest Midlands 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the one!

[–]The_Bacon_BanditEuropean Union 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please tell me this isn't true...

[–]Loplop509 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Boston bomber.

Reddit went all Sherlock and basically had the wrong guy bang to rights.

Iirc they discovered the guy just before the police arrested the actual perp.

[–]RobertTheSpruceDerbyshire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit caught the Boston bomber.

Then it turned out reddit named an innocent person as the Boston bomber.

Then it turned out that the innocent person killed himself.

[–]ammobandannaCo. Durham 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

true story

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    [–]KingBooScaresYou 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

    People shouldn't be arrested for writing an insult on the Internet. No matter how racist or vile. The only time the cops should step in if is they're planning a violent act or show direct links to terrorism organisations.

    To arrest someone for calling someone a nasty name is something you'd hear in North Korea.

    [–]pepe_le_shoeGreater London 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

    My best friend said 'nigger' in a facebook chat once. I hope he doesn't go to jail.

    [–]KingBooScaresYou 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He's a gonna, he better get a head start.

    [–]perhapsaduckNottinghamshire 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Now you've said it too mate!

    [–]Nosferatii 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He literally could be arrested under the obscene communications act.

    [–]lbspredh 24ポイント25ポイント  (8子コメント)

    it's what everyone else here is doing at work, why not the police too

    Anyway what's the context here?

    [–]hillman_avenger 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/53y1wi/a_redditor_was_arrested_and_fined_for_an/

    [–]DougieFFC 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    it's what everyone else here is doing at work, why not the police too

    Can confirm, am at work.

    As long as they did it on Friday. No one works hard on Fridays.

    [–]Whachadoo -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Anyway what's the context here?

    Did you miss the 1,000 reply post yesterday?

    [–]lbspredh 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I was actually working, just for a change of pace

    [–]Whachadoo 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I mean it's still #3-4 in r/unitedkingdom…

    [–]CharlieDeBeadleChippy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Are you genuinely scrutinizing somebody for not seeing a post on reddit?

    [–]Whachadoo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Gotta make the most of my time!

    Similar to the necessity of your scrutinising (British English) of my scrutinisation of his lack of knowledge of the r/uk meta!

    Happy⸘

    [–]CharlieDeBeadleChippy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I feel like my scrutiny makes a bit more sense, and I blame my phone for the Americanised spelling.

    [–]LetterbocksKernow 8ポイント9ポイント  (23子コメント)

    Someone in the other thread said that it was actually reported by redditors. Dunno if there's any truth to that

    [–]pepe_le_shoeGreater London 7ポイント8ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Reddit didn't write the law, the law is the problem here.

    [–]LetterbocksKernow 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Oh absolutely. I just think there is a difference between coppers actively browsing reddit looking to nick people and a commentor being nicked due to their local constabulary being bombarded by calls of complaint from white knights.

    [–]ButterflyAttackTraveller 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Weren't the police conducting 'intelligence research' aka browsing reddit looking for people to nick? Maybe I've misunderstood the term, though.

    [–]ButterflyAttackTraveller 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I'm assuming reddit handed his IP over to the police? I'm wondering if they were legally obliged to do that? Because if not, then reddit shares a responsibility and has failed to protect its users' privacy.

    [–]thegingergamerNicola please save us 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

    reddit does work with the police when they ask for IPs

    [–]ButterflyAttackTraveller 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Hmmm, interesting, I didn't know that. So reddit is anonymous unless someone official wants to know who you are. . .

    [–]Dark9000Black Country [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    Redit is based in California so I supposed they are governed by whatever data protection laws are in place there

    [–]ButterflyAttackTraveller [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    So I'm pretty sure they weren't legally obliged to hand the IP address over, then. Assuming that's what happened. I can't imagine US law making a US company have to comply with a British police force. Which suggests they didn't make any attempt to protect the user's anonymity.

    Not that they're expected to, reddit is a free service, they can do what they like and we can choose to use the service or not. It's just nice to know how free they feel to share your identity.

    [–]113243211557911 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Got to wonder, if reddit handed over the users info, are they in breach of data-protection laws?

    Considering they had no legal obligation to do so, and the person broke no laws within the US with his posting, due to freedom of speech.

    Are you really allowed to turf over users info, doxxing them. Just because you, the website operator and owner, dislike what the person posted?..

    [–]Dark9000Black Country [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    doxxing is not illegal if the information is already in the public domain . And no reddit would not hand out a users details to uk law enforcement without a warrant I mean anyone could phone reddit and pretend to be a police officer

    [–]113243211557911 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    They are absolutely not obliged to hand over anything to any country outside the U.S, where the website is hosted. And I think even in the U.S they need a court order.

    They might comply if it was to catch a terrorist or something, but it seems weird that they would just hand over info to another country because they broke the law in that country.

    Despite absolutely zero legal reason to do so. it's not like reddit was threatened with being blocked in the country or anything.

    Really weird, and unsettling thing for reddit to do imo. Even though I strongly disagree with the persons actions.

    [–]Exceptional_boogie 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Guy made a racist comment/joke in response to something on reddit. Someone reported it. Somehow police arrested him.

    Basically as we all knew, everything is monitored to an extent. Will be more so when that investigatory powers bill comes through.

    I think its a dangerous path to be honest. But there we go.

    [–]interiorlittlevenice 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Worth noting that he was doxxed by people who complained to his employer, and his steam name (which was the same as his reddit user) had his full real name on it. He wasn't tracked via IP or something.

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      [–]fuckin442m8 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I got a pm saying I was being reported to the police for supporting the mooslims so it wouldn't surprise me if redditors are reporting things

      [–]ButterflyAttackTraveller 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      How could anyone object to animals who produce halal dairy products?

      [–]Milky1985 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I think there is a bit more to it than we think, apparently this all really started out when some users decided they didn't like the statement and basically doxed the guy who made the post.

      They started bombarding his employer and that's when people think the police got called (since mob justice likes this sort of thing to happen).

      Its more users doing a bit of mob justice (since it was wrong speak so they had to hurt him somehow) and the police happening to find it since they had been called.

      [–]Nosferatii 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Sure, but the problem remains that as the law stands the police could arrest him for simply making an untasteful comment on th Internet.

      [–]Neobay 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You all live in a fantasy world if you think the police can actually monitor the sheer amount of content that reddit produces and act on it.

      As a cop I can tell you that every week I get have to deal with some crap on facebook where somebody has rang in and complained about a comment etc. The majority of time we can box it off but you'd be surprised how "outraged" some people get.

      An offence is an offence not matter how hard we play to down play it.

      It's a massive waste of time and energy and quite frankly we don't have the time for hurt feelings anymore - the issue is we don't get to pick and choose what we get to investigate as everyone is "injured party" led.

      The vast vast majority of reddit is normal people that see the Internet for what it is - uncontrolled grounds where both reasonable discussion and complete tools battle it out.

      Tldr: if people didn't directly complain and say they will go to court these matters would never be looked out.

      [–]jwrider98 41ポイント42ポイント  (53子コメント)

      It's fucking disgusting that harmless online quips can now cause people to be arrested. This is why there should be an entrenched right to free speech. Stop wasting police time and money on this crap.

      [–]Sell200AprilAt142England (Liverpool, City of London, Bournemouth) 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Racially motivated terms are now "harmless quips"?

      [–]ninj3Oxford 🐂 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

      As long as no one is physically harmed or touched, and there is no threat in the language, or incitement to threaten or physically harm, then I think it should not be illegal.

      [–]Whachadoo 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

      If they're unnoticed comments on Reddit then yeah they're not exactly causing any harm are they?

      [–]pepe_le_shoeGreater London 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The issue is, is emotional harm something it's now illegal to cause?

      Can I not insult people if I'm arguing with them? Am I never allowed to break up with a romantic partner because I'd cause them emotional harm?

      hurt feelings aren't harm in the sense that is meant in law, but people are starting to interpret it that way, and that's wrong and shameful.

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        [–]pepe_le_shoeGreater London -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yes. Go back to your safe space and ruminate on that.

        [–]Gorignak 7ポイント8ポイント  (26子コメント)

        There is an entrenched right to free speech. You can slag off the powers that be as much as you like, and your collar won't be felt.

        You just can't use horrible racist terms. Same rules as if you were stood outside Parliament with a banner.

        [–]hahaseriouslythough 8ポイント9ポイント  (25子コメント)

        You just can't use horrible racist terms.

        "Racist terms" are free speech whether you like it or not.

        [–]joethesaintSt Albans -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

        A man was arrested and charged for using one, like it or not. Clearly wasn't free speech, like it or not.

        [–]Tana1234 2ポイント3ポイント  (18子コメント)

        Using a racially motivated insult is not a "harmless quip".

        TBH I think the internet needs it, he could easily have said a negative comment without resulting to racism. He choose to use his supposed anonymity in a harmful way, in my eyes he deserved to lose it.

        The Internet is a great tool if you abuse it you will end up losing it

        [–]DE_GoyaYorkshire 9ポイント10ポイント  (17子コメント)

        Oh fuck the fuck off. You don't deserve to be prosecuted for saying some mildly offensive questionably racist shit.

        [–]ThyrotoxicNot actually Welsh -1ポイント0ポイント  (16子コメント)

        Lol. Those poor racists. Can't even call black people monkeys anymore. What is this country coming to?

        [–]Chazmer87Scotland 20ポイント21ポイント  (10子コメント)

        But the problem is that it's not policed equally.

        If I get called a Jock can I call the police?

        If my mrs get's called a slut can she call the police?

        If my friend orders a chinky can they call the police?

        What about if he says he's going to the paki shop?

        All of these are real examples that should all result in an investigation if the monkey example does.

        ...But do I now get arrested for saying all those things in a comment?

        [–]Dark9000Black Country 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        you no people of Hartlepool are known as Monkey hangers . They once hanged an monkey believing it was a French spy

        [–]Strephyl [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Yes, of course you can.

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          [–]Whachadoo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If the internet becomes a sensitive childminded playground then 4chan will have a field day and everybody will be more offended.

          Prosecuting everything negative on the internet isn't ever going to happen. The police can't even shut down enormous drug sites, credit card trading forums and child porn sites.

          How are they going to police comments from all around the world from trolls?

          [–]spidersnakeHampshire 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

          And where do you draw the line? At what point does someone being offended constitute a crime?

          What about sexism, that's now being treated as a bloody hate crime by some constabularies. Do you think that's alright as well?

          Unless it's directly threatening I don't think any words should be enough to get you arrested. It's fucking ridiculous.

          [–]pepe_le_shoeGreater London 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

          It's coming to be a place where we don't have freedom of speech, and when the government finally oversteps its powers to the extent that ignorant pissants like you finally decide you want to speak out against it, it will be far too late.

          [–]joethesaintSt Albans 30ポイント31ポイント  (63子コメント)

          While I don't agree that sort of speech should result in an arrest, it still should be the case that words you say online are treated the same as those you physically say. The internet is real life, as much as some might like to think otherwise.

          [–]Oli_[🍰] 36ポイント37ポイント  (18子コメント)

          it still should be the case that words you say online are treated the same as those you physically say.

          You can choose to ignore things said in real life where some people have thick skins.

          You can make comments that are offensive in public that are in bad taste but the worst that happens is that you're looked down on for saying.

          Meanwhile, online you're up against fines, possible prison time and a criminal record because someone somewhere happened to stumble across what you're saying even if the target of your post hadn't even read your post themselves.

          How can real life and the internet ever be truly under the same breath if you're treated more harshly for typing something than for saying it in public?

          [–]rwinhEssex 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Absolutely agreed with this post.

          Verbal abuse is a crime if it literally is directed at the victim and makes them feel physically threatened. It's not a crime if it's just some angry person metres away that doesn't have the gall to actually go by his words nor enter the victims "personal space".

          The same should be done online. If you're directly messaging, replying to or emailing the victim, then sure it should be a crime if there is actual violence threatened. It shouldn't be a crime in any other instance, because there's no evidence the victim has willingly and personally read the message or had some instant, personable feeling of violence. Even if they were directed to a post by someone deliberately wanting to stir the pot minutes or hours later.

          Most of the time it's just a bad tempered moron who needs to switch off from the internet for a bit.

          [–]joethesaintSt Albans -4ポイント-3ポイント  (16子コメント)

          Well your whole comment is based on a complete untruth. What the arrested man said on Reddit, he could well have been arrested for for saying it down the pub also, had someone there reported it and provided proof.

          The law on this is the same in all public domains. Of course the more openly you commit an offense, the more likely you are to be in trouble.

          [–]Oli_[🍰] 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

          It's an untruth based on this specific case - He did use a racial term and it was probably intended, not going to argue that.

          However you could be far more degrading and ruthless talking about someone and be completely within the law but if you type it out it's suddenly a fine? Even police officers give you chances to calm your behaviour if you're being overly profane before they arrest you.

          If I was a conspiracies type of guy, I'd be sure that the officer who reported this was a family friend because there's been loads of racism in this sub for the last 6 months and yet this is the first reported, oddly.

          [–]cockmongler 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

          Well your whole comment is based on a complete untruth. What the arrested man said on Reddit, he could well have been arrested for for saying it down the pub also, had someone there reported it and provided proof.

          Actually this is (probably) not the case. He was convicted under a specific law about sending a communication which does not apply to face to face speech.

          [–]hoffi_coffi 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I think it depends on the situation. Reddit is a website full of anonymous commentators. Facebook or Twitter is more of a public forum for people going under their real names. Reddit is more like having a private conversation, insults on a Facebook wall is like putting it on posters around their house.

          [–]joethesaintSt Albans 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          If you think you're truly anonymous, think again. Look up "Norwich Pharmacal order".

          Reddit isn't ever going to be considered a private conversation in law. You're in public here and your potential audience is massive too.

          [–]hoffi_coffi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I know that is the way it is legally, I just feel personally that it is different.

          [–]pepe_le_shoeGreater London 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I don't like racism, I'm married to a person who is not white, so obviously I don't want to walk down the street and here someone spouting racial slurs. At the same time, if someone did, I wouldn't expect them to have to pay a fine, certainly not get arrested. Being a shitty person with shitty ideas and a loud mouth shouldn't be illegal.

          That there's a law on the books which makes offending someone via communication illegal, is a travesty.

          [–]joethesaintSt Albans 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          My main reason for opposing the law as it is is simply that it won't effectively tackle racism. If anything it's just going to rile people who feel their freedom of speech is being attacked, make the law enforcement look like the bad guys, and by extension the racists will be among the free-speaking good guys. If anything it could exacerbate racism as those who feel oppressed decide to rebel.

          It needs to be tackled at the source with education and understanding. The current method is more like chopping the head off a hydra.

          [–]DrRedOrDeadDurham 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Exactly right. Category 4 outlines it pretty well.

          [–]Oli_[🍰] 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

          No it doesn't. It's soo incredibly vague it's ridiculous.

          Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 makes it an offence to send or cause to be sent through a "public electronic communications network" a message or other matter that is "grossly offensive" or of an "indecent, obscene or menacing character". The same section also provides that it is an offence to send or cause to be sent a false message "for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another".

          Mixed with a line from further in the same paragraph.

          There is no requirement that any person sees the message or be offended by it. The s127 offence is summary-only, with a maximum penalty of 6 months' imprisonment.

          So basically, anyone could report anyone based on an internet post that they deem to be under said parameters whether or not it was targeted at someone specific and as long as they can prove it it caused 'annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety' they could get up to six months in prison for it.

          How is this not a complete clusterfuck of language?

          [–]tsurotu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          for the purpose of causing annoyance

          Jailtime for RickRolling...

          'Bout time.

          [–]joethesaintSt Albans 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          This is what courts are for mate. They determine whether a particular case falls under the definition of the law. Judges, juries, etc. That's their job.

          And the police also have powers of judgement to make sure the silly reports don't even get that far.

          You know how reporting some random person for harassment won't necessarily get them convicted or even arrested for harassment? Same concept.

          [–]pepe_le_shoeGreater London 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          They determine whether a particular case falls under the definition of the law. Judges, juries, etc. That's their job.

          Right, but if it's a shitty law, they might be correct in finding that an annoying comment on reddit falls under it.

          If it's illegal to annoy someone using a message on the internet, we're all fucking fucked. I just hope I don't have to share a cell with any of you twats.

          [–]Wave_of_the_Future 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

          It's kind of different though, the Internet is like a pub.

          In real life if you say something controversial at work you can expect to be fired etc, however if you say something controversial down the pub with just your mates you don't expect to be hung out to dry. It's called privacy.

          There is also the element of time, I'm sure plenty of people said stupid shit on the Internet several years ago when they were teenagers, is it really sensible to have everyone's Twitter, Facebook etc trawled through by authorities looking for "criminal" thoughts?

          [–]joethesaintSt Albans 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

          however if you say something controversial down the pub with just your mates you don't expect to be hung out to dry. It's called privacy.

          That's where the comparison falls down. A conversation on here is not just like a conversation with a few mates, unless potentially anyone in the world can watch you converse with your mates. You're also not in private in either scenario.

          There is also the element of time, I'm sure plenty of people said stupid shit on the Internet several years ago when they were teenagers, is it really sensible to have everyone's Twitter, Facebook etc trawled through by authorities looking for "criminal" thoughts?

          I already said I don't agree with the law. But an internet post is typically a permanent publication and we should all be aware of that.

          [–]Wave_of_the_Future 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

          People generally post on Reddit under the veil of anonymity. If that is a facade then frankly we should shut the whole thing down. It invites people to share more than they would usually, it's unfair to prosecute them.

          [–]joethesaintSt Albans 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Sure, if we're all only using our anonymity for the purpose of getting away with shit that would otherwise have us arrested. The law isn't "prosecute anyone who says anything they wouldn't say down the pub". I can share the details of my sex life or tell you all I have genital warts without getting charged.

          (I don't have genital warts)

          [–]isyourlisteningbrokePlastic Paddy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          (I don't have genital warts)

          I don't believe you. You're from St Albans.

          [–]Barry_Scotts_CatManchester 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

          The internet is real life, as much as some might like to think otherwise.

          Yeah, it's odd how people go "saying it on the internet isn't real"

          I mean...what

          [–]joethesaintSt Albans 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It can feel anarchic at times. Pretty important to remember it isn't though.

          [–]Tana1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          A lot of people don't, it's partly the anonymity and the dissociation with there life outside the net. Most people have no friends or family that know them on the internet it's all strangers so people do what they want to do

          [–]shutyourgob 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          In either case, words that aren't directed AT someone can't possibly be considered offensive to that person though. It's not like he's some Twitter troll sending messages to a relative, he's expressing an opinion in an open forum.

          The real life equivalent would be if he was standing at a bus stop talking about it and some undercover policeman pinned him down and some self-righteous shitbag started filming him saying "anything you want to say to the family? want to apologise? are you a racist?"

          Totally fucking mental.

          [–]ButterflyAttackTraveller 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I think the anonymity of sites like reddit can be valuable. I know that I - and many people - sometimes find that it can be very enabling, letting you say things that they'd be uncomfortable saying verbally, face-to-face, or to people they knew. One example is /r/suicidewatch

          It's unfortunate that other people feel that anonymity enables them to let their nastier characteristics out in the form of abuse, bigotry, and bullying.

          [–]fuckin442m8 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Its not the same, a comment on an anonymous internet board that nobody sees isn't comparable to a real life situation, maybe someone muttering something to themselves on the street

          [–]joethesaintSt Albans 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Muttering to yourself on the street means people can't hear it. Posting on Reddit means anyone can, whether they actually do or not.

          That's completely irrelevant anyway, as laws on speech don't differ with the literal volume of your speech...

          [–]fuckin442m8 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Ok it's like saying something in a busy town centre, people around you might hear it, they might not.

          You can't talk about this like it's the same as shouting something to an audience.

          That's completely irrelevant anyway, as laws on speech don't differ with the literal volume of your speech...

          The context matters, where it was directed matters

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            [–]Dilanski'Toke-On-Trent 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            So, I had a mildly popular jokey comment on yesterdays thread, but the truth is I study policing as part of my forensics course, so have a pretty good idea why the police have an interest in reddit as an intelligence source.

            I still disagree with the whole situation of arresting a redditor over the comment, and the idea of police reading through my comments gives me the creeps. But I can at least appreciate why monitoring social media isn't a complete waste of resources.

            If I manage to corner one of my policing lecturers, I'll see what their thoughts are.

            [–]Zeoniic 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I've killed at least 5 people, sup

            [–]sim667 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I'm not really sure why this comes as a shock to anyone, its a perfectly logical platform to use to gather information, its public, and people post all sorts of stuff up.

            I use a forum which has information about protest, parties, substances etc, and it constantly has undercover plod on there trying to dig for information, even setting up fake accounts and pretending to be people.

            What surprises me the most though, is that they've actually got people sitting reading things like reddit, Facebook, twitter etc, rather than using scrapers (or maybe they do both).

            [–]Nosferatii 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            What surprises me most is that we're arresting people because of untasteful comments on the Internet and people don't seem more worried about it.

            [–]Dark9000Black Country 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Dear reddit police can you please arrest this guy I find his sign offensive http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/712830/Restaurant-owner-MUSLIMS-GET-OUT-sign

            [–]Dark9000Black Country 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Wow I found more crime detective reddit https://www.rt.com/uk/360286-rapefugees-stickers-racism-town/ Neo Nazis in the uk boss , this could be the one to get you a promotion

            [–]ikklesteSomething like Yorkshire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Note that while it was racism (and specifically that he called Mzee a monkey) that the case made it to court, he wasn't done under any specific racism laws, but for "sending a communication of an indecent or offensive nature".

            Pick a few random threads, on reddit, (or any internet forum) see how many contain posts that could be considered indecent or offensive. Note that there isn't really a good definition for either. Now go and prosecute them all. It seems very arbitrary that this one was prosecuted and the thousands and thousands of other even on /r/UK weren't.

            [–]ButterflyAttackTraveller 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            This is why law enforcement want increased access to our data. It'll enable them to catch 'criminals' without leaving the office.

            Obviously, there will be an increase in violent crimes, but no-one will be able to get away with buying drugs online or saying nasty things on reddit, and that's more important, right?

            [–]Makdranon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The police mustn't need public support any more.

            [–]pegbiter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I find it utterly abhorrent. We've seen a few cases here and there throughout the years, some idiot says something stupid on Twitter or Facebook and police have arrested them. The public response has always been one of utter apathy, 'it's not the sort of thing I would ever say then it doesn't affect me'. The police make it look like they're cracking down on 'online abuse' and 'harassment'. The few of us that express concerns about this are either labelled as sympathisers, or 'freeze peach' lunatics.

            Caring about freedom of expression does put us in an awkward position where we have to 'defend' people that say things that are offensive, tasteless, or just plain stupid. This man did not threaten anyone, did not harass anyone, did not plot or conspire to do anything illegal, he merely wrote down his thoughts - and the state decided that was enough to arrest and fine him.

            You might not care because you think that you would never be construed as 'offensive' - but that is entirely up to the discretion of the reader, and ultimately the courts. And you are trusting the police and the justice system to be able to infer sentiment. You might be seventeen levels deep in a comments thread engaged in a heated discussion; you make some joke or reference to something in another thread or the latest hot meme, and the uninitiated interprets that as 'offensive' and now you've crossed a line and the state can get involved.

            Not only have you crossed a line, you've crossed a line you never even knew was there.

            [–]Makdranon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            In a few years people are going to be having a dawn raid for arguing with someone over politics, criticising their political view. It is getting there.

            [–]VoodersDerbyshire 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Too right! If the officer who caused the arrest of someone over a reddit post is reading this:

            You're a fucking jobsworth! I'm sure you have better things to do! No one was helped by having someone arrested for posting on reddit!

            [–]kokonaka 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            you are just jealous you aren't getting paid for redditing.

            [–]darkfang77 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

            Didn't the feds do some doxxing at some point here? If so, broke reddit T&Cs.

            [–]DarwinsPorkyTortoise 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

            What's with this "feds" shit. We're not in America.

            [–]Honey-BadgerBristolian in London 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I'll have you know that i will bust several caps in your ass homeslice.

            [–]Jez_NorthCheshire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "ass"? You're so American

            [–]protoctistaNottinghamshire 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

            This is the UK sub, friend.

            [–]darkfang77 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm not your friend, pal.

            [–]motophiliac 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            One rule for them…

            [–]middlemanmarkThe Second City 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Yeah, seriously? How did they track him down from that post on a throwaway?

            [–]CAPS_EQUALS_SMARTS 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The same way that other redditors tracked him down, if I recall correctly.

            The guy wasn't too smart when it came to sharing details that linked back to his facebook page.

            [–]KL_boy 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

            My guess it that they are under pressure to stamp down on "hate crimes" and prosecuting a reddit user is way, way easier on the stats than any other "real life" crime.

            [–]multijoySurrey 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

            It's no less difficult than dealing with any other 'mal comms' offence. It's probably harder for reddit as they're a US company and are unlikely to be giving up user data in response to a RIPA request.

            Don't forget that the user will have had the opportunity to have his say in interview, and if the daft sod went no comment, then a charge would almost certainly follow.

            [–]Caldariblue 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            If I were a betting man I'd say the complaint came in with his details already sussed by the complainant. Apparently he was getting grief on Facebook already.

            [–]multijoySurrey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Wouldn't surprise me!

            [–]Edenz21 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Load of old shite.

            The world, has indeed, gone mad.

            This will offend you, for using the word 'mad', thereby causing a trigger, so likely I might be in court tomorrow. Sigh. Thanks reddit.

            [–]SilasLoomOsidge-sur-Pymmes 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

            If someone reports a post to the police and says that they were offended, the police have to take it seriously and the courts have to take it seriously. That's what the law says.

            So either people need to take their anonymity and privacy seriously, or they need to be more careful not to cause offence. And if you go the first route, you might want to think a little bit about why you're going to such lengths to preserve your ability to be nasty on the Internet.

            [–]Whachadoo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You make good points on people having to take precaution over what they say as it may come to haunt them but:

            And if you go the first route, you might want to think a little bit about why you're going to such lengths to preserve your ability to be nasty on the Internet.

            Nah. You can't be held responsible for everything everybody may find offensive, it's completely subjective.

            [–]Dona_Antonia 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

            And if you go the first route, you might want to think a little bit about why you're going to such lengths to preserve your ability to be nasty on the Internet.

            You see, the definition of nasty is very open to interpretation and that is a very slippery slope to go down.

            [–]pepe_le_shoeGreater London 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The slippery slope has already been written into law. You only have to cause offence or annoyance. Those are both highly subjective. This whole fucking debacle and all the comments on it are annoying to me.

            [–]ninj3Oxford 🐂 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

            That kind of attitude is really short sighted. What about all the comedians that we enjoy who make jokes about sex and race? Russell Peters, Frankie Boyle etc etc. There are already many people who consider their jokes nasty and offensive. Are they all going to be arrested?

            [–]SilasLoomOsidge-sur-Pymmes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Do they use racially offensive terms to describe actual, named people? I think not. But if they did, sure, nick them.

            [–]Saw_Boss 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Some have been brought up on charges. Just as not all offensive Reddit posters are being brought up on charges.

            [–]ninj3Oxford 🐂 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That level or arbitrariness is exactly why it is ridiculous.

            [–]pegbiter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            ..Paul Gascoigne..

            [–]ThyrotoxicNot actually Welsh 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

            God the outrage about this is funny.

            [–]pepe_le_shoeGreater London 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The lack of a belief in free speech amongst our dimwit populace is pathetic. Have your laugh now while you can, you cunt.

            [–]Sell200AprilAt142England (Liverpool, City of London, Bournemouth) -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

            "But reddit is mah safe space for light heartedly calling black people monkeys"

            oh reddit... smh

            [–]Honey-BadgerBristolian in London 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Its not even like he said 'black people are monkeys' he literally just called one bloke who went on a rampage with a machete as a monkey. Its not like he was writing the new Mein Kampf. I only need to go on facebook and read what some of my black friends say about white people (some of them have this white people are bad but the ones i know are 'different' view) to find far more offensive shit but that doesnt matter does it.

            This whole case is ridiclious.

            Honestly it only a few steps away from someone commenting on reddit 'Thresa may is a cunt' before police are on their door asking why they are promoting sexism and threatening a public figure.

            [–]wartywarlock 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I dunno, I think it's widespread knowledge that May is indeed an outright evil, country sabotaging cunt.. nobody saying this is disseminating new material.

            [–]Honey-BadgerBristolian in London 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Knock Knock

            You're nicked son.

            [–]wartywarlock 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Am I being peddled on the black market or just run of the mill back of a lorry kinda deal?

            [–]distineoStirlingshire 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            What a waste of time. Why would someone get arrested when he didn't make a threat at all? He was arrested for his opinion.

            [–]PabloPeublo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            We warned you guys about the PC police.

            You didn't listen.

            [–]Dark9000Black Country 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7-TTWgiYL4

            [–]HHWKUL 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

            How did they find him?

            [–]Honey-BadgerBristolian in London 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Tracked his IP

            [–]CarthOSassy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Doxed by redditors. His handle was also his steam name, which linked to his full real name.

            [–]wartywarlock 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            They backtraced him, he dun goofed up

            [–]ArtistEngineerCambridgeshire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "Police Presence" = walking down the street?!?!

            [–]TheAndies 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm on my lunch break, I'll start solving crime again in 15 minutes.

            [–]shutyourgob 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You think maybe you could use some of the time you spend prosecuting people for saying naughty things doing something that actually helps, like the dozen or so child sexual exploitation scandals you completely ignored?

            [–]mastergaijinBlack Country 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            So this is what police do when they're too busy to attend the scene of someone almost stealing my car.

            [–]borezGeordie in London 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It wasn't me, it was the hamster in the corner with the table lamp.

            [–]ZanderyS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I swear it's better to live in Russia or somewhere that isn't run by overzealous police with overreaching powers. This is a sad time for Britain.

            [–]like_a_bawsCardiff -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Nice to know that the Police are so over resourced that they have time to sit around and browse Reddit all day.

            Go out and catch some proper criminals you cunts.

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