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[–]WormSlayerHalf-Life VR[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (24子コメント)

Although it's the moderators opinion that politics have no place in /r/Oculus, we are reinstating this post. We hope the conflict can remain in this one thread. This is a reminder to please be civil. We will still be moderating this post for individual comments that do not follow our rules.

[–]Freezenification 310ポイント311ポイント  (84子コメント)

Wow. I did not see that coming.

[–]WarOfTheFanboys 107ポイント108ポイント  (2子コメント)

There were definitely similarities between the Rift and Nimble America's launch...

[–]morbidexpression 63ポイント64ポイント  (54子コメント)

seems pretty obvious, they share politics. Fun to learn about his reddit alt, makes me wonder which ones he's been using here.

[–]gtmog 83ポイント84ポイント  (16子コメント)

From the beginning he's spouted some jingoistic stuff that made me facepalm a bit. The only thing I can remember was something about american cars maybe?

Yeah, not surprised. Kinda disappointed.

[–]HelenSkelterDK2 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

jingoistic

noun - derogatory

extreme patriotism, especially in the form of aggressive or warlike foreign policy.

[–]chaosfire235 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

That should the slogan of this election cycle.

[–]WetwithSharp 204ポイント205ポイント  (83子コメント)

"Facebook, which does not currently employ Luckey, did not respond to requests for comment by press time." -

Uhhh...what?

[–]TrefoilHat 114ポイント115ポイント  (59子コメント)

I had the same question, came here to post it.

Perhaps Oculus is still considered an independent entity (and not a division of Facebook) based on some weird corporate structure and so Luckey is considered an employee of Oculus?

Maybe the author is confused?

Maybe Palmer left??

The Wired interview, which couldn't have been that long ago, said:

Luckey’s official title at Oculus is “founder”, but he’s not the boss. . .Day-to-day, his role is hard to define. He helps external developers create material for VR, and works on cool new hardware, such as Oculus’ long-awaited Touch hand controllers...

His LinkedIn also still lists him at Oculus.

/u/PalmerLuckey, or, I guess, /u/NimbleRichMan, do you want to weigh in?

[–]goldstarstickergiver 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

nimblerichman has been deleted

[–]Wallach 50ポイント51ポイント  (0子コメント)

You would think a dude basically raised by 4Chan would understand better how the internet works.

[–]TrefoilHat 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

nimblerichman

I totally read that as "nimble reich man" - thought you were taking the Trump/Hitler comparison a bit far!

has been deleted

I noticed that too. The article has also been updated, saying:

During the reporting of this article, posts pertaining to Nimble America were rapidly being deleted across Reddit.

[–]foxh8er 41ポイント42ポイント  (48子コメント)

I would really love to see him respond to this in person.

/u/PalmerLuckey

[–]ExynosHD 72ポイント73ポイント  (46子コメント)

At this point he needs to do a very in-depth AMA if he has any plans on rebuilding any sort of trust with the community. Which we all know wont happen.

[–]JudgeJoeCool 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

That'll happen at the same time the Sean Murray one does

[–]Dintri 79ポイント80ポイント  (24子コメント)

Too late. I'm getting the Vive in the future along with my friends.

[–]ExynosHD 33ポイント34ポイント  (20子コメント)

I agree. I honestly wasn't planning on getting a rift anyway but this certainly solidified it for many people.

[–]guruguysRift 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

Does it matter. Its pretty clear his actual role and power at Oculus has diminished. This was evident when what he would say, and what Oculus would do, were always 180. Facebook has more to gain or loose with Oculus than Palmer does at this point, and many of the higher ups at Facebook support Clinton. Does that change anything? It really shouldn't, but for those who need justification...

[–]MafiaVsNinja 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's a liability to Facebook and brings nothing to the table but a nice story that's getting past its expiration date. He won't be front and center for Oculus. Simple as that -- too much money is at stake for some immature kid to run around making everybody's work more difficult.

[–]ExynosHD 50ポイント51ポイント  (5子コメント)

I feel it should be talked about. It's one thing to support a candidate. It's another thing to directly fund trolls and shitposters. If it came out that he just donated money to trump or something I wouldn't have a problem with it. I would disagree with who he supports but I disagree with a lot of things and ultimately don't have a problem with it.

[–]SinjunB 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It matters. They will lose sales as long as he's known as the main Oculus guy, the quicker they distance themselves and he resigns the better. This is a guess, but I'd estimate their main customer base is middle-class/upper middle-class college educated people with disposable income, also known as liberals, or at the very least people who despise Trump.

[–]SinjunB 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

It matters because people's money may be directly funding racist harassment campaigns that Milo carries out on a constant basis. Luckey isn't required to disclose how he spends his money, of course, but being the creator and public face of the product... this all should have been known about beforehand. It's just a really, really bad look for Oculus. Facebook will likely distance themselves from him as much as they can and show that he has nothing to do with the product anymore.

[–]UploadVR_IanUpload VR 75ポイント76ポイント  (7子コメント)

I asked Oculus PR: "Is Palmer Luckey still an active part of Oculus?"

Response: "Yes, he’s still with FB/ Oculus."

[–]studabakerhawk 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

So that's why he hasn't been posting here... He's been shitposting Tump Memes all night.

[–]Hyakku 116ポイント117ポイント  (6子コメント)

Has anyone seen Rubin or Iribes response to this? I can't imagine they're ecstatic to have finally had the narrative shift from some of the negative PR to more optimistic narratives about OC3 and the launch reboot only to have that goodwill fucking demolished ten days before the event. Putting aside the content here, the timing almost seems like it was chosen specifically to harm oculus.

[–]morbidexpression 66ポイント67ポイント  (1子コメント)

Iribe would probably say something vague like, "I donated to O'Malley last year and Oculus is a diverse company comprised of many people from all parts of the political spectrum" -- you can tweet that tomorrow morning, Brendan. You're welcome.

[–]Broseph_McTatertots 550ポイント551ポイント  (19子コメント)

He's playing the long game: if reality becomes a nightmarish dystopia, people will want to escape to VR.

[–]Nilok7 49ポイント50ポイント  (19子コメント)

Here is the only working archive of the posts made by "NimbleRichMan".

I am posting them here so they are more easily accessible and so people can research this.

https://archive.is/4OuYq

[–]morbidexpression 43ポイント44ポイント  (13子コメント)

Thanks for that. The scotch talk is ludicrous, especially since he sneers about Bernie Sanders' "lavish lifestyle."

This part is good:

"Where are all the wealthy, powerful, and publicly identifiable Trump supports? Answer: We dare not say a word. It would destroy us. I would never dream of blacklisting a business for the political views of the men who work there, but the same cannot be said for many HRC supporters."

So he thinks if this were public it would destroy him? Gee, I wonder why.

[–]_pixie_ 29ポイント30ポイント  (10子コメント)

Strange how it's embarrassing to support Trump, but not Hillary. Maybe he should think for 2 seconds why that is. Such a smart guy.

[–]Cahiry 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

Talks about putting off a glass of scotch, Palmer doesn't drink and I have never heard him even mention anything about alcohol other then to state he doesn't drink ? I could be wrong as I usually am.

[–]Chardmonster 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

Palmer definitely seems like the type of guy who would think "cool guys drink scotch, therefore so does my alt."

[–]FlyingWaffleED 173ポイント174ポイント  (154子コメント)

His girlfriend is a Trump supporter.

[–]Chardmonster 56ポイント57ポイント  (32子コメント)

Huh. I'm really surprised to see her cosplaying Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite. Everything in that game's story goes against what Trump stands for.

[–]Cactusblah 58ポイント59ポイント  (24子コメント)

Just because you disagree with something, doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. Same thing with not attacking other people for having different opinions and beliefs, unlike most of this thread.

[–]captainludwig 53ポイント54ポイント  (18子コメント)

It's not "attacking" to be disappointed in someone's political beliefs and think lesser of one for it. Stop victimizing them. Just because something is a political belief, doesn't mean that you're being "attacked" because people rightfully call you insane.

[–]wrtChase[S] 124ポイント125ポイント  (61子コメント)

Wow, that hashtag.

#socialjusticeiscancer

That's just gross.

[–]amorphous714 77ポイント78ポイント  (34子コメント)

Extremists ruined the term

[–]morbidexpression 82ポイント83ポイント  (26子コメント)

not really. Rightwingers hated it from day one. Unless you can point out a period where rightwingers spoke highly of social justice... i'll wait.

[–]SinjunB 44ポイント45ポイント  (21子コメント)

Yup. Incase there was any doubt after the article, this seals it. And that fucking hashtag... when anyone asks "so, why exactly is social justice cancer?" what do these morons even say? "Political correctness is bad"?

[–]vanfanel1car 188ポイント189ポイント  (118子コメント)

I don't much care for his political choices but why would he out himself for doing such a ridiculous thing as described in the article? Did he not realize the huge ramifications it would have on oculus? It's already reverberating through the twitterverse at lightning speed. At this point oculus/facebook would either need to distance themselves in some way or palmer to step down. I've already seen one dev studio (not including any devs in this thread) pulling their upcoming support unless something changes.

[–]hciofrdm 33ポイント34ポイント  (6子コメント)

The guy is set for life. I dont think he cares that much.

[–]Bullyoncube 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Like Michael Jackson. Ungrounded. If you are successful at an early age, and everyone keeps telling you you are brilliant, you don't have guard rails keeping your life on track.

[–]yuikl 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

For sure. Reality itself shifts for those who have a huge change in their lifestyle. You can call it "new money" or "beverly hillbilly syndrome" or whatever you want to call it, but having a huge influx of money, power and fame will fuck up just about anybody in some way. /r/the_donald is the only subreddit that I've ever blacklisted because it's so toxic, but when I read through the posts it does seem to be a strange mix of 4chan humor with wacked-out macho politics. I think it's another example of someone with a lot of money that's a little "out there" trying to have fun and not thinking about the public reaction, or simply not caring because he's got his and fuck the haters...some dumb shit from my point of view, but I'm not a sudden almost-billionaire in his 20s.

[–]flashman 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

His wealth-driven flippant approach to something that will change millions of lives is one of the ugliest parts of this.

“I’ve got plenty of money,” Luckey added. “Money is not my issue. I thought it sounded like a real jolly good time.”

Utterly crass and self serving. A perfect fit for the Trump camp, I suppose. Wouldn't it be funny if it turns out he's wealthier than Donald?

[–]wrtChase[S] 92ポイント93ポイント  (104子コメント)

Yeah, this is tacit support of white supremacy and some pretty severe online harassment.

[–]knight_who_says_knee 71ポイント72ポイント  (3子コメント)

There are over 550 million assault memes in worldwide circulation. That's one meme for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is: How do we arm the other 11?

-Palmer Luckey

[–]geliduss 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not a fan of Oculus after some of their shit but damn that is Zesty

[–]DemIce 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a quote from Lord of War; http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399295/quotes?item=qt0403284

( Fun movie - great intro scene )

[–]Vimux 23ポイント24ポイント  (6子コメント)

If it's true then maybe it's better Facebook owns Oculus, and not Palmer any more.

I might like books, music, movies but not necessarily all of their authors. Plenty of examples.

[–]jensen404 29ポイント30ポイント  (10子コメント)

Wow, so close to Oculus Connect. Wonder what impact this news will have on the conference.

[–]morbidexpression 38ポイント39ポイント  (6子コメント)

Carmack will open his keynote by accusing Obama of being a Muslim, then say he was only joking and reveal positional tracking for mobile has been cracked.

[–]ClavusRift CV1, DK2, DK1 & Vive 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thus opening the largest emotional rollercoaster the world has ever seen.

[–]cheesesliceyawl 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I wonder what Carmack's position is? Texas home grown? I would imagine quite a few are Republicans at Oculus. Which really does baffle the mind. Sith or Jedi. I know ....I will follow the Sith!! /s

[–]LankyChew 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Carmack could be described as a right leaning libertarian/ autarchist, along the lines of older Robert Heinlein. Basically a big fan of Ayn Rand and space rockets.

[–]Wonderingaboutsth1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

VR will give the american experience those muslims banned from entering the US!

[–]Metalsludge 217ポイント218ポイント  (90子コメント)

Not shocked by this. Considering that he is right leaning and homeschooled, it would almost be a surprise if he was not a Trump supporter, at least at this point where Trump is now the official nominee of the more conservative of the two major parties. He has every right to support either candidate, of course.

That he appears to have been an enthusiastic Trump supporter to this degree for some time may be more revealing though. And his having connections with the alt-right is certainly interesting. That part is a little surprising. Makes me wonder how aware he is of some of the more interesting, um, ideas, and conspiracy theories, that part of the Internet engages in, when they are not busy throwing around these "dank memes" he seems so fond of.

[–]dougiebgood 77ポイント78ポイント  (29子コメント)

I find it tough to judge a person by their political leanings, given that I have friends and family who fall in the entire spectrum, but that doesn't mean I have to support those person's ideals with my money.

I'm not surprised seeing this, considering Palmer's background like you said, but I now know I have the option of choosing where my money will go to, and it will not be to Oculus.

[–]Metalsludge 42ポイント43ポイント  (25子コメント)

I think that's the problem some people are having with this - the feeling that their money is now going to support things they don't like, by way of Oculus. Considering Luckey's position as team captain/mascot of Oculus, and all the press he gets, I can see why people would view it that way and be uncomfortable.

But Luckey is not actually the embodiment of Oculus, even if it sometimes seems that way. And they are now owned by Facebook, a company headed by someone who donates to the Clintons, seemingly in larger amounts than what Luckey has thus far given to his cause (Even if he matched all donations referenced in the article on /The Donald, it would only come to about $11,000 from him. Whereas Facebook has given over $100,000 to Clinton, and $20 million from a co-founder to Clinton.) Money given to Oculus/Facebook goes to lots of things through its executives, including both candidates, with most money having gone to Clinton so far.

So, personally, I don't feel guilt about buying Oculus related stuff. I'm sure Gabe supports certain stuff too, he just may not be as public as Zuckerberg, or as caught in the act as Luckey. I'm not sure we can avoid funding political things indirectly when buying products.

This backlash is why some companies and firms have official policies about employees holding public positions on controversial topics though. I wonder what Facebook's policies are in this area.

[–]NathanLonghair 48ポイント49ポイント  (13子コメント)

I do feel guilt. Why? because the Clinton campaign works within "the rules". He's not just funding Trump, I'd be supremely unhappy with him doing that, but he's entitled to his leanings. No he's actively feeding a campaign of misinformation spreading much wider than what the same amount would do within an official campaign, and with ZERO accountability. As another poster said: it's about keeping the ignorant ignorant. I cannot accept this style of guerrilla warfare - and again, with no accountability.

[–]lipplog 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree with you. But let's not pretend this is a difference of party or policy. What Palmer Lucky is supporting, whether he admits it or not, is white nationalism. That's not a political disagreement. It's disrespecting and disregarding more than half his fellow Americans.

[–]Metalsludge 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm afraid this may be true, especially if he is all too aware of the realities of the background of some of the company he seems to be keeping lately. A part of me wants him to say it isn't so, without falling back on "I'm just being a politically incorrect rebel." sort of deflections.

[–]morbidexpression 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

sounds like they'll just de-emphasize Palmer more than he's already been sidelined.

Gabe is a longtime Dem and contributes to left-wing causes. This stuff isn't secret, you can just look up campaign contributions and the like you know.

[–]psynautic 99ポイント100ポイント  (30子コメント)

it's hard for me to believe that anyone of his internet savvy pedigree doesn't know about the underbelly of the alt-right

[–]Velvet_buttplug 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really isn't even an underbelly. A ten minute Google spree of the term leads right to Richard Spencer and other white nationalists.

[–]CC_EF_JTF 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

homeschooled

Please please please don't lump all homeschoolers into one category. Lots of secular and not right-wing homeschoolers out there.

[–]Tin_Foil 265ポイント266ポイント  (59子コメント)

I'm looking to be corrected on this...

Am I right in believing Palmer Luckey, the man behind the Oculus, is paying people to post on Reddit and Twitter those obnoxious half-truth stories? I mean, if he wants to support Trump, donate to his campaign or whatever, so be it. I don't agree with it, Trump is a monster in a lot of regards, but it takes it to a different level if you are actively trying to keep the ignorant ignorant.

If I'm reading this stuff wrong, someone please correct me. I want to be wrong.

[–]morbidexpression 190ポイント191ポイント  (11子コメント)

Pretty much. Funding lies and ignorance because he thinks he's in a noble struggle like the founding fathers and such tactics are legit in the pursuit of... tax cuts.

What did you get with your buyout money, Bobby?

Race hate! And a Tesla.

[–]Fidodo 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well actually the founding fathers were in for the tax cuts too /s

[–]onan 77ポイント78ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right, because as Luckey explains, "The same has been true of many movements for freedom in history. You can’t fight the American elite without serious firepower. They will outspend you and destroy you by any and all means."

See, when it's other billionaires doing it, that's "the elite" being oppressive. But when it's this billionaire doing it, he's a noble freedom fighter.

[–]angrybox1842 101ポイント102ポイント  (7子コメント)

You are reading it correctly. People will tell you Palmer is entitled to his political beliefs but it's much darker than that.

[–]scottevil132DK2 167ポイント168ポイント  (24子コメント)

I.. I'm just blown away after reading this, mouth agape the whole time. What the hell is he thinking by doing this? AND then gloating about it?? This can't be real...? He wouldn't intentionally make him self sound like a immature spoiled little rich asshole, right?

[–]daguito81Vive 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's been a while since we had any palmerdrama in here. Like his massively down voted comments and such. Maybe he was bored and craved that kind of attention and went online and said.. "hmm.. This will stir up some shit for sure"

The comments like "money is not an issue for me" make it sound so weird. It's like I'm reading an onion article

[–]32LeftatT10 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Money is not an issue for me he says after getting caught begging teenagers on The_Dumpsite for donations.

[–]ILoveRegenHealth 29ポイント30ポイント  (8子コメント)

I can't believe it either. I feel like I fell into the Twilight Zone. The most disturbing thing is finally reading his girlfriend's tweets. I had no idea she was like that. I think she has rubbed off onto Palmer, because I never would've thought he would have those views at all.

[–]butwhatisit 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

On the plus side, now when you see a meme you know it's probably been paid to be posted.

[–]FR_STARMER [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wow. It's like he's trying to sink the Oculus.

[–]VRGIMP27 135ポイント136ポイント  (97子コメント)

This is disappointing. I honestly want this article to be proven wrong.

[–]MengKongRui 117ポイント118ポイント  (54子コメント)

I doubt it, I remember a couple months ago checking Palmer's facebook and he was posting about Trump

[–]AntaresDaha 76ポイント77ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can confirm, if you follow his Facebook account, this doesn't come as a shocker. He aggressively defends some of Trump's positions on there (as well as other right wing agenda). Basically because it worked for him it has to work for everyone.

[–]VRGIMP27 104ポイント105ポイント  (15子コメント)

I'm not usually a political person, and I have supported the Rift as a device for a long time. Unfortunately, I can't feel good about purchasing the rift in this case. All the luck to Palmer, (and I respect his right to his opinion,) but I can't contribute money to something that is extremely likely to fuel bigotry and needless division.

[–]VRGIMP27 32ポイント33ポイント  (35子コメント)

Well, damn. That sucks man.

[–]Hyakku 25ポイント26ポイント  (33子コメント)

Agreed, but relatedly, if anyone is in the Bay Area and wants a CV1 for $400, PM me once we get confirmation on whether this story is legit or not. Have a vive order ready to go.

Edit: Damn that was fast; will entertain any PMs in case this sale falls through but looks like that's done.

Separately, I realize I should start a separate thread, but can any of the dual rift/vive owners with a touch dev kit confirm whether Revive works with touch games decently well? May just opt to stick with PSVR the more I'm thinking about it but don't want to just have a super powerful paperweight

[–]JackDT 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doubt it, I remember a couple months ago checking Palmer's facebook and he was posting about Trump

There's voting for Trump and then there's this -- paying for chan Trump shitposts on reddit and twitter or whatever.

:/

[–]nicereddy 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looking through his Twitter likes, I'd definitely believe it...

[–]lipplog 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember 2 or 3 years ago some sort of scuffle about Palmer tweeting his conservative politics. He got defensive, it was dropped, and everyone moved on. I figured maybe he was going through some idealistic Ayn Rand phase. But hell, even Paul Ryan can't support Trump without expressing his shame. Enthusiastic support of Donald Trump is not about economics, politics, or party. It's about small-minded contempt for your fellow Americans.

What a fucking douche.

[–]surely_not_a_bot 133ポイント134ポイント  (11子コメント)

Never has someone gone from a positive to a negative impression so fast for me. +100 to -100 in a matter of minutes as I started realizing this was not a joke.

[–]morbidexpression 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

well, that's probably why he kept it secret for a while as an exceedingly nimble rich man. I wonder if he'll go back to being quiet, or go alt right loud n proud and continue saying silly stuff online that makes Facebook look bad.

I'd love to hear what Zuckerberg and company are saying about it -- this is entering into liability territory and one doesn't make a multi billion dollar deal for LIABILITIES.

[–]Dislated 429ポイント430ポイント  (261子コメント)

I have a rift and have been following its development for years. Although I've never posted on Reddit I visit this sub almost daily. I created an account today just to say that if this is true, I'm done with Oculus.

[–]amaretto1Vive 142ポイント143ポイント  (16子コメント)

I've given Palmer the benefit of the doubt over and over... When I read the article I thought it was satire, but now it's been picked up by other news organisations. If true it does leave a sour taste in my mouth. Sure, Palmer is entitled to support who he likes. I'm just very disappointed.

[–]ness96 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is entitled to support whom he likes, but so are you and I. Honestly, this alone settles the Vive vs Rift debate for myself. I had a DK2, and was planning on buying a Vive or Rift in the next few months. Palmer made my decision for me.

[–]jonmcfluffy 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

why would he just out of the blue tell the dailybeast "hey i have this user name on reddit"?

[–]postpunkjustin 60ポイント61ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same. Palmer can do what he wants with his own money, but I'm done giving him any of mine.

[–]JackDT 43ポイント44ポイント  (3子コメント)

I have a rift and have been following its development for years. Although I've never posted on Reddit I visit this sub almost daily. I created an account today just to say that if this is true, I'm done with Oculus.

But Oculus is owned by Facebook who is largely donating exactly opposite to Palmer's campaign. So it's not that simple. Lots of different people work there.

Still... paying for Trump shitposts on reddit and twitter? :/

[–]Gorgonaut666 108ポイント109ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think I've posted here in a couple years, but I came to say the same thing.

[–]BrymOculus Henry 188ポイント189ポイント  (99子コメント)

Moreover, Palmer's girlfriend at least fully supports the most racist of Trump's policies. Just scrolling through her Twitter feed, I see a post supporting Trump Jr.'s Skittles metaphor, a post calling BLM the real racists, a post saying that Michelle Obama should be calling out muslims for owning slaves instead of white people, and my personal favorite: https://twitter.com/nikkimoxxi/status/712404254976249857

[–]irascible 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. I'm really fucking sad I gave that shithead my money.

[–]mccannr1 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

Same. I was thrilled to finally get a rift. Loved it. But unfortunately mine was glitchy so I wound up returning it. Had planned on buying another soon, but after this, I'll be looking at getting a Vive instead.

[–]Broseph_McTatertots 44ポイント45ポイント  (41子コメント)

This is what did it for you?

[–]DhalphirRift 33ポイント34ポイント  (38子コメント)

Why the surprise? For someone who likes the headset itself, this is the first time that that might not be enough.

[–]Skippityboopy 115ポイント116ポイント  (7子コメント)

There are plenty of reasons:

1) The acquisition by Facebook (who many consider unethical)

2) The removal of Linux (and Mac, though I think this one's okay) support.

3) The unnecessarily long and underprojected development time of the hardware, which burnt smaller developers that trusted the original estimates and couldn't hold out. I would say the Rift was over-engineered for what it is.

4) The price communication fiasco (not that it was high, but that it was always reinforced that it'd be around the original estimates of $300-350 until the very moment of preording).

5) The shipping disaster, not only of the CV1, but of the DK1 and DK2 as well.

6) The bad communication about shipping, going radio silent for long stretches.

7) The deprioritization of pre-order/Kickstarter Rifts. (this one I can kind of understand, but still sucks)

8) The closed-off nature of the Oculus software/store, including needing to change a setting to allow outside software.

9) Oculus often rejecting developer's apps from the store with no feedback as to why.

9) Tying (temporarily, thank goodness) the DRM with hardware validation.

10) Buying limited exclusivity Touch deals from developers that already announced Vive projects.

11) Many stories of terrible Oculus Support experiences.

[–]drainX 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly, for me, all of those previous ones were understandable even if I didn't like them that much. This is way worse for me.

[–]Detroitbuckeye 36ポイント37ポイント  (29子コメント)

I love my rift. If this is true, I can't continue to patronize Oculus with Luckey in such a roll. This is a sad day for me and my kids.

[–]237FIF 22ポイント23ポイント  (15子コメント)

Really though? It's pretty much impossible to shop with morals in mind. Do you ever go to Walmart? Ever buy a food product by nestle? Not to mention most of your cloths / appliances are manufactured using essentially slave or child labor.

I agree that this is ridiculous, it really is. But if I enjoy the product, I'm going to enjoy it for what it is.

[–]VR_Nima 32ポイント33ポイント  (8子コメント)

It's pretty much impossible to shop with morals in mind.

It's hard, sure, but it's pretty easy to make BETTER decisions than worse ones.

Do you ever go to Walmart?

No.

Ever buy a food product by nestle?

No. But I won't lie, if it's sitting there for free I'll eat it.

I agree that this is ridiculous, it really is. But if I enjoy the product, I'm going to enjoy it for what it is.

Do what you want. I'm not gonna boycott Oculus over this either. But I can totally understand why some people would like to switch to a less controversial competitor.

[–]remosito 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's actually really easy to shop with morals in mind. It's just impossible to buy everything produced in a way that matches the morals. Just because you can't achieve the latter doesn't mean you shouldn't do the former. That's throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Yes. I don't knowingly buy anything from Nestle anymore. ever. Check their corporate map regularly. Even dropped brands I had consumed for decades since my childhood.

I buy organic locally grown if I can. Check if there is palm oil in anything I buy. Buy eggs from a local non-egg-production-focused small farm. Pay extra for my weekly meat so it has lived decently and was slaughtered close by. Not much to be done about electronics. Except upgrading as little as possible. And buying second hand where possible. My Tablet is stil the first retina IPad. My rig is now over three years old and only upgraded my GPU once so far thanks to paying a bit extra for kickass CPU. My Hifi stuff is all bought used...

It's not hard at all if you look at it as a long term goal you want to achieve. One thing/habit at a time....

Edit: As for the case at hand: Will I stop supporting Oculus because their founder gives millions to a really shitty organisations doing shitty propaganda to a very very worrysome (I am neither american nor living there but in a place that will be affected badly if he fucks up the world) candidate. Or will I keep supporting them because his bosses boss gives billions to basic medical research? I am really not stupid enough to think HTC is a company that is perfect in all it's practices where neither the company itself nor anybody there with supports very questionable to me stuff.... Not sure yet. What I will do though is update my opinion of Palmer himself.

[–]drainX 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Even if you can't perfectly shop ethically, does that mean that you shouldn't try to? Just because sometimes its hard, or sometimes you have no alternatives, does that mean that you shouldn't do it at all?

[–][deleted] 94ポイント95ポイント  (13子コメント)

Wow, I gotta say I'm pretty floored right now. There's something so very inspiring about the VR of today. I've been a gamer my whole life and finally, for the first time, we're going to be able to explore new worlds together. And actually be there. Where you can look over your shoulder and greet someone as you shoot down waves of zombies, or slap high fives after a successful dungeon raid. I was so inspired by it all that I created my first Reddit account and became an active member in this subreddit. In my business, I meet famous people all the time and you just kind of get used to it, but I always looked forward to the day I would shake Mr Lucky's hand and tell him thanks. I'm a black man with two black sons and I'm speechless that Mr bright eye'd Lucky supports a racist bigot who wants to re-invoke the "Stop and Frisk" and says most Mexicans are rapist and criminals and and... I have nothing against the Republican Party, I think the best person for the job should win. But Trump just spews hate and the people who support him are those unaffected by it and without empathy for those who are. And not only does he support Trump, but he decides to help by funding an organization that spews hate to the other side. Him and trump really are perfect for each other. I think I'm done with Reddit. Maybe with oculus. This is something that I kind of wish I never read. You guys have been great. I don't ever want to hear Palmer Luckey's name again, so avoiding this subreddit will help. /u/wormslayer you are awesome and thanks for being a fantastic moderator.

[–]Jackrabbit710 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nothing will change! I'll still be there to hi five you in VR don't worry

[–]TetragrammatonDarknet / Tactera developer 130ポイント131ポイント  (25子コメント)

I'm the developer of Darknet and Tactera on the Rift and Gear VR. Been working with Oculus happily since the Kickstarter.

Palmer has a right to spend his money as he wishes. And so do I. That's why I gave a thousand dollars to Hillary Clinton's campaign tonight!

Apparently, Nimble America (the group he was going to help fund) only raised around $11k. It would be really cool if some other devs would join me to help beat that number. :)

[–]vrVRvrVRvr 34ポイント35ポイント  (4子コメント)

I have the right to spend all my money on marijuana. It would be cool if some other devs would join me.

[–]Alix1723ShotForge VR 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Secret billionaire caught funding group of users to upvote posts on /r/Trees!

[–]Nagorak 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope they do. That's a much more noble cause than giving to Donald Trump.

[–]wfunction [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'm not really surprised but I am disappointed. I've always liked Palmer as a person even though I've been agreeing with him on fewer and fewer things as the years went on. It's somewhat obvious now looking back and reflecting on how cocky and arrogant he could be with his own opinions, even the controversial ones regarding certain business practices and decisions he's made. His youth and lack of life experience really shows in these situations.

It's also clear that he traveled in a lot of the same circles as online Trump supporters. Palmer fits the demographic and profile of an online Trump supporter to a tee. He's part of the most eager group to segue into alt-right politics. I would've assumed someone like Palmer's intelligence, savvy and ability to think rationally would have excluded him from falling into this trap, though. I guess taking the easy way out, intellectually, is just that appealing.

I just can't respect anyone who thinks memes and internet smearing is a constructive type of political discourse, especially someone in Palmer's position who is evidently using his money to back this kind of horseshit. It's not his politics that bother me so much as it is his willingness to put money behind one of the worst things about our culture right now. Of all the causes you could put your money behind... Jesus.

TL;DR Shame on you Palmer, shame on you. More glad than ever that I didn't buy into Oculus.

[–]fade_ 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

So the time he went on radio silence here due to massive problems he was posting on the_donald about dank racist memes? you have got to be shitting me

[–]kitfmScruta Games 216ポイント217ポイント  (166子コメント)

Posted this on the dupe thread, but as of now I'm cancelling my game's Touch release unless Luckey steps down or withdraws his funding for this shit.

Edit: Dear Luckey

[–]Hyakku 65ポイント66ポイント  (0子コメント)

100% behind you if so; it's a super bizarre story and weird medium so hopefully its not true because it's going to be annoying as fuck to sell a VR head set and deal with potential craigslisters in my damn house testing this thing...

[–]Seiru 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

If your game supports SteamVR, won't the Touch controllers just work anyways? Not to detract from your point.

[–]JackDT 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

Posted this on the dupe thread, but as of now I'm cancelling my game's Touch release unless Luckey steps down or withdraws his funding for this shit.

Something to remember is that Oculus is not Palmer. It's a lot of people. And lots of people at the company are no doubt actively working hard in the exact opposite direction to Palmer's campaign here. In fact I think the majority of donations from Facebook itself are in the other direction.

I feel you though. Trump and the alt-right folks are something else.

[–]BrymOculus Henry 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly, this is the thing that has given me comfort. The fact that Palmer has these views is no secret if you've been paying attention. When I figured it out six months ago I nearly cancelled my pre-order, but then realized that Palmer has largely already got his money from the Oculus buyout, so it doesn't really make a damn difference.

I hope he at least gets chewed out for being a dumbass by someone at Facebook though.

[–]BrymOculus Henry 52ポイント53ポイント  (73子コメント)

Note that it's actually somewhat worse than you think. Palmer's girlfriend posts racist things on Twitter supporting Trump. Just scrolling through her feed, I see a post supporting Trump Jr.'s Skittles metaphor, a post calling BLM the real racists, a post saying that Michelle Obama should be calling out muslims for owning slaves instead of white people, and my personal favorite: https://twitter.com/nikkimoxxi/status/712404254976249857

[–]TinfoilSnake 110ポイント111ポイント  (15子コメント)

Well...this kinda explains why I never got my cv1 although I was one of the kickstarter backers (I'm mexican)

[–]Vimux 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't like this, but does it mean I should check political views of other companies CEOs, founders etc.? Is there an updated list, please :D?

[–]Negchampa999Rift 71ポイント72ポイント  (22子コメント)

Doesn't really surprise me. He is a 24 year old who has basically unlimited money. Man , when i was 24 i did some stupid shit. I can't imagine the stupid shit i would do if I would have had 700M at that age. Honestly Oculus is far past Luckey now, I am happy with my Rift, use it every day and hope Oculus has a great future. People are entitled, no matter how much money they have to their own views. People who base their decisions on buying a VR HMD on this are very naive.

[–]dryadofelysium 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well, he has followed Donald Trump on Twitter for a long time. Always wondered if he supported him :/

[–]foxh8er 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

I followed Trump (and liked his posts) during the primaries even though I voted for Clinton.

Never in a million years would found a SuperPAC for the alt-right though, amazing. He's aware that Oculus probably employs H1B's, right?

[–]angrybox1842 46ポイント47ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's one thing to be pro-trump, it's another to fund the alt-right meme factory. That's a level of devotion to the worst parts of this election in a really gross way. Never liked that guy, didn't buy Oculus because I didn't like that guy, and feel more justified than ever.

[–]cavortingwebeasties 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

Gross... but figures, rich kid from rich family is grotesquely out of touch with the human equation, news at 11

[–]Del_Torres 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

That this is a thing (that a meme think tank is funded with millions - but also the shitstorm), is very telling in so many ways about this election campaign.

Just a random thought from outside.

[–]Thorn14 23ポイント24ポイント  (9子コメント)

Welp, I'm never buying an Oculus now. Its not just one thing he's a trump supporter but he goes on The_Cheeto and pals around with Milo.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160628/b3d6375582b72abf9431ed19b587027d.jpg

You know, this fine fella.

[–]mooterskooter 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Interesting. I don't think people should go out of their way to 'shame' fatties...but I don't think people that let themselves get into that state should somehow be protected from the reality that is an unhealthy lifestyle choice. Big is not beautiful, neither is stick-thin. A normal, healthy weight is beautiful.

Hmm, still have some thinking to do on this...I was banned from r/fatpeoplehate for pointing out that it's not nice so...

[–]Thorn14 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

So we should shame that guy for, you know, TRYING to no longer be fat? I hold that guy in more respect for that poor guy than that smug ass prick, that's for sure

[–]wellmeaningdeveloper 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

Oculus Connect is going to be really interesting.

[–]JackDT 42ポイント43ポイント  (4子コメント)

A lot of people are having a strong initial reaction. Certainly I am.

But Oculus isn't Palmer Lucky. Not anymore. Tons of people work there. I'm certain that there are also many who are actively working in the completely opposite direction to this campaign. In fact I think the majority of donations from Facebook itself are in the other direction.

So I'm trying not to let this cloud my judgement.

Now if we see Oculus the company putting financial support behind Trump shitposts... I'm fucking out.

[–]inter4ever 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly. If you boycott a company based on a single employee's politician opinions, you will have a lot of places to boycott, including your workplace. Anyways,

https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/09/facebook-co-founder-20-million-clinton-trump/

[–]dohaeris 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure but this specific employee was the face of it in many ways. Being representative of the company in the way he has means things are a little different when he does controversial things. He was on the front of time magazine even. That was a huge story in the tech world.

[–]glitchwabbleRift 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why don't these fucking wealthy people bankroll kind, decent and wise people who have the ideas, insight and ability to make the world a better place?

Bill Gates is a notable philanthropist. Why does someone like Luckey, ostensibly out to change the world for the better, back a demagogue who is a threat to so many people?

[–]ThatOneMartian 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol, this explains his tenuous relationship with the truth .

[–]kiwimonk 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sigh What a dumbass

[–]enMTW 88ポイント89ポイント  (21子コメント)

He also appears to support Gamergate, judging by his Twitter favorites. Lots and lots of straight up Gamergate shit favorited. I tried to raise awareness of this months ago to no avail.

[–]myalias1 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there a consensus on this sub about GG?

[–]ComebackShane 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doubt there's a consensus anywhere about GG.

[–]jensen404 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

His girlfriend literally dresses up as the GG mascot to meet with other people dressing up as the GG mascot.

[–]merrickx 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol ethics in journalism amirite

[–]HumanJoystick 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

Politics do bloody make a difference whether you should buy or not. You'll never see me at a chick-fil-a or in my native country at anything to do with Blokker. Of course these CEOs and visionairs have the right to express their worldviews and political ideas all they want to. But if I dislike them enough and if they come across as total arsholes (I had so much money, I didn't know what to do with it, so it seemed like fun to put it into a smear campaign turning every Mexican male into a rapist), I sure am going to let it influence where my dollars (no matter how modest compared to the arshole in question) flow. And they now certainly go to another VR-device.

[–]KiboshWasabi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/NimbleRichMan - El Deleto.

If we're equating Luckey to Oculus politically, which way does /u/GabeNewellBellevue lean in the election?

[–]YuntiMcGuntiKickstarter Backer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it april the 1st please tell me this isn't real???? did he really write that nimble rich man post??

[–]ggabriele3Rift 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

These are the kinds of things that happen when someone very young is given a lot of power and public attention.

[–]themariokartersRift [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Am i the only one who doesn't really give a fuck what he does with his time or money? What does this have to do with the product? Get off your phony pedestals

[–]JesseBotwinRift [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What. The. Fuck.

[–]BudorProfessor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Zuckerberg is not amused, apparently Palmer doesnt care for Oculus anymore or he is just plain dumb because he will not stay with the company much longer.

Edit: If he has been influenced by his brain dead girlfriend i have some pity for the poor boy though...

[–]Nukemarine 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

I worked on VR projects with a guy that's a pretty much anti-government, climate change denying, anti-Obama, pro-Trump. Basically the exact opposite political and scientific outlook that I have. We can and have argued for hours on these subjects. Know what? Still worked on VR projects with him and no problem staying friends.

It's a sign of maturity to be able to disagree with politics and still do business or maintain friendships. I'm not seeing that here with this all or nothing approach. I'm disappointed that Palmer has these types of political views, but I still back Oculus and like what Palmer brought and still brings to the table in regards to VR.

[–]Chardmonster 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you understand that there's a big difference between just being a normal voter and starting a PAC?

That's what we're talking about here. It's not that he's voting red and not blue. It's that he's actively shoring up something noxious. I don't think most people would care if he was just a normal Republican, we kind of expect that of rich dudes.

[–]AugmentlRift 17ポイント18ポイント  (9子コメント)

Genuine question:

While The Daily Beast article everyone is going nuts over attributes some pretty shameful quotes to a clearly despicable Reddit user, NimbleRichMan, they interchangeably refer to this user's quotes as Palmer Luckey's:

Luckey insists he’s just the group’s the money man—a wealthy booster who thought the meddlesome idea was funny. But he is also listed as the vice-president of the group on its website.

“It’s something that no campaign is going to run,” Luckey said of the proposed billboards for the project.

Those quotes are actually from /u/NimbleRichMan, but TDB makes the assumption this user and Luckey are the same person, and just goes ahead and attributes the quotes directly.

Now, that may well be true, but how does someone who, according to /u/NimbleRichMan's quotes, is supposedly extremely conscious of the damage that statements of overt Trump support would cause himself and his company, suddenly fess up to a political tabloid? Where's the actual evidence of the link between Luckey and this Reddit user?

I see quotes like

“I came into touch with them over Facebook,” Luckey said of the band of trolls behind the operation. “It went along the lines of ‘hey, I have a bunch of money. I would love to see more of this stuff.’ They wanted to build buzz and do fundraising.”

But with no source or attribution. These quotes seem out of character for a guy supposedly terrified of being found out.

I'm not saying the article is not true, but I am genuinely interested in the evidence behind it. References to Nimble America's supposed acknowledgment of Palmer's membership go nowhere (not a single member of the group's board is referred to by name ) .

Am I missing something? Where's the actual evidence that Palmer is NimbleRichMan? Why would he just up and fess up to TheDailyBeast with what looks like a frank and candid admission?

We should at the very least all be asking the piece's author for some proof.

[–]xyphic 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

As I understand it, The Daily Beast is not satire. The site attributes quotes directly to Palmer, and the article states that he told them directly that he used the NimbleRichMan username. Should this prove to be false, expect a very hefty defamation of character lawsuit imminently. I honestly don't see why a large and relatively reputable news outlet would put themselves out there like that without verifying that their information is correct.

[–]st23576 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 24-year-old told The Daily Beast that he had used the pseudonym “NimbleRichMan” on Reddit with a password given him to by the organization’s founders.

It does sound a little fishy that there's no direct quote from Palmer and they apparently didn't have any further discussion with him. Did they call him and he was just like "Yep, I'm NimbeRichMan, bye."? Was this just a PM from /u/NimbleRichMan claiming to be Palmer?

If it isn't true I would expect Oculus to deny these reports soon.

I guess people aren't finding it hard to believe given Palmer's fondness for memes and he and his girlfriend's support of Trump on Twitter and Facebook.

[–]Peesmees 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is exactly what I'm wondering. It seems like they just imply that Luckey is the same as the reddit user but there is no actual proof they know it's him from how that article is worded.

This could be a smear campaign for all we know, but I'm not familiar with the site so can't tell what's going on here.

[–]Robiswaiting 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is profoundly disappointing to read...

[–]torode 32ポイント33ポイント  (23子コメント)

If this is true, I have to admit it affects my impression of Palmer Luckey as a person, but it will have no bearing on my support of Oculus. Boycotting Oculus only hurts Oculus; not Palmer.

[–]breakfast-pants 17ポイント18ポイント  (18子コメント)

Boycotting Oculus only hurts Oculus; not Palmer.

Not true; hundreds of millions of the Facebook acquisition were structured as a future performance bonus, likely tied to metrics around future Rift sales. That also made up the stock portion of the deal, and Facebook Stock has gone way way up since then. That portion of the deal may be worth nearly a billion now, and it may be possible to keep it or some portion of it from being paid out.

Since money is considered political speech after Citizen's United, you need to think long and hard about where you are spending your money.

Donald Trump said he was open to requiring Muslims to indicate their religion on their ID. That is bad in a similar way to the Nazis requiring Jewish people to wear yellow stars.

[–]inter4ever 14ポイント15ポイント  (11子コメント)

You realize that Palmer is one employee at Oculus. To hurt him, you are dragging many others who have nothing to do with this. If at your workplace you had an employee who supports Trump. Do you think people boycotting your business would be fair? Oculus is not Palmer's company anymore.

[–]hciofrdm 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Realize that Oculus isnt a company that needs to survive on goodwill. Oculus = Facebook now and they do what they have to do to dominate the VR market. The romantic idea of Oculus as some kind of VR loving startup should be gone by now.

[–]torode 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

If you're willing to spend a great deal of money on a shitposting/meme endeavor, then you already have enough money that a reduced future influx will do little to inflict any measurable pain. The people who would be affected by a successful boycott would be those on the bottom rungs of the company who actually depend on a job for their livelihood.

[–]guruguysRift 10ポイント11ポイント  (13子コメント)

Since Facebook has way more to gain or loose with Oculus than Luckey (hes already cashed out) and Facebook as been accused of supporting Clinton (certainly Zuckerberg has spoken out against Trump http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/18/facebook-employees-donate-more-to-clinton-than-trump-coincidence-kudlow-commentary.html ), does this mean everyone dropping Oculus is dropping their support of Clinton as well? Not to mention that Sheryl Sandberg has gone on record to support Clinton (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3715219/Now-Facebook-s-Sheryl-Sandberg-endorses-Hillary-Clinton-just-months-site-involved-liberal-bias-controversy.html).

I am sure there are many higher ups at Oculus that support Clinton as well. Choosing your product based on an employees political beliefs is quite silly unless the sole purpose of that company is funding against your beliefs.

[–]spiezer 27ポイント28ポイント  (9子コメント)

So I'd like to hear an official PR response from Oculus on this since it's pretty disappointing to hear.

Sure he can support trump. Whatever. It's his way of doing so that is questionable.

[–]SovietMacguyver 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

Thats pretty ridiculous. These are his personal views, with his own money. It has nothing to do with Oculus, whether you want it to or not. I dont support what hes done, but why cant he support whoever he wants to?

[–]DrosibasPolicija 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

If this is true, he owes me a ton of money. I've been shitposting for free.

[–]Fuck-Facists 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

i just made an account to say this:

im done with oculus, and im selling my rift. I understand that a successful boycott will hurt the lower level employees more than it will hurt Luckey. But something must be done. We must send a message that publicly backing a racist xenophobe has consequences.

The only thing that can be done to save my brand loyalty is if he is fired (resigns).

[–]Ocnic 40ポイント41ポイント  (5子コメント)

Young white silicon valley overnight multi-millionaire is an absolute idiot politically? Shock of shocks!

If this is all true, all I can say is thank god he sold oculus and it's in facebook's control now. I would seriously be stepping away from oculus if it was still private and under his control. I know lots of young guys go through idiot libertarian phases when they're young and dumb, but I certainly wouldn't want to support them during that time.

Hopefully a few years down the line, he'll just be shaking his head and laughing at having supported a goofy racist who lost bad, wondering what he was thinking. (But then I imagine this is what all Trump supporters who have an ounce of insight will be doing a few years from now, unless they've already killed themselves with opioids because a black person moved next door.)

[–]foxh8er 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Mark seems like he has his head on straight for someone who pretty much did the same thing. Same for the people who founded WhatsApp.

[–]ricardogceDK1 55ポイント56ポイント  (22子コメント)

I don't like Trump, but the near-witch hunt against any moderately famous person endorsing him is getting scarier than any of his positions.

[–]gozu 48ポイント49ポイント  (32子コメント)

Wow, how incredibly disappointing that Palmer is an alt-right racist. I thought more highly of him.

Not going to lie, I should've suspected it when it came out that his girlfriend is a trump supporter spouting anti-muslim, anti-black bigoted comments on twitter.

this is really sad and upsetting. How can you be like that, Palmer? Why the hatred?

[–]MrFidel 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

shitposting is powerful and meme magic is real

I mean, I know what he's trying to say but so much /r/cringe