Damn right. The “real men” of yesteryear……and of today even, were, and are, mostly a pack of pussy begging tools for women. They were, and are, too afraid to stand up to women’s apparently god given right to lord it over men in every sphere, siting their ever changing feelings as justification for their total authority over any issue, and any space they occupy.

The men of yesteryear, and the shrinking number of holdouts of today, believe that chivalry, sacrifice for women, servitude and putting women’s feelz first, was the way to acquire love, respect, status, whatever. And yeah, this pursuit would make a man work harder, be more productive, try to acquire more wealth, etc, etc….and in days gone by, there was a pay off. He could indeed have a family, and have at least in appearance, and degree of control over his earnings, assets, and children. But what’s the reward for a man to follow in those footsteps now days? Nothing. He will be demonized no matter how good of a slave he is. He will have no power or say over anything. Rules in the home are made be her. Rules at work are made by women, or by men for women’s benefit. The public space is becoming women’s space, where maleness is only tolerated as long as it is bent out of shape and forced to conform to female behavior in appearance.

What I would like all these useless men with no drive, no motivation, an overdose of apathy, to do, would be to work, save, buy their own homes, have nice cars, nice clothes, close friends they enjoyed keeping company with, besides video games and drinking. And when the hordes of women come to try to harvest them…….tell them NO

None of the above is that hard to do without a woman and her demon spawn weighing you down. You can do better then the married guy with kids who is a 6 figure earner just by having a reasonably decent paying job and not wasting your money. But you have to do it for yourself. if you do it to attract a slave owner to come and own your arse……it’s all for shit.

The milenial generation men are not the way I would like, but like Paul said, you go to war with the army you have, and at least they aren’t doing what their fathers and grand fathers did. They may be doing nothing contructive, but a that is better then working to maintain the status quo. The era of female entitlement, and male disposability, has to end. My preference is that it ends because men start doing it for themselves instead of for women. But if it’s only going to end if men stop doing it for women, even if that means they are doing nothing…..and allowing society to collapse………I’ll take it. A man who does nothing is better then a man who serves our slave masters.

Says Noah, the one Paul is responding to: “Fathers need to reach their boys how to be men and teach their girls how men should treat them.”

Let me correct that for him.

…and to teach their girls how to be women.

It irks me beyond description that women get to define their own sense of womanhood—whatever makes their skirts blow up—but men must let every “well-meaning” gynocentric selfish dumbass determine what men are allowed to be.

No way, Jose! That is pure gynocentric weakness that characterizes just how things became so messed up. It is nothing less than him deferring to women and to the herd for permission to exist.

And Paul, let me say that the two of us are on the same sheet. For years, I have been chastising older men who fell out of the equation when it came to equality, as if they had to step aside and let women decide it all. That, if they had any hopes of becoming what they call real men. The words you used to describe the silent generations of spineless men who caved in so readily are just like words of my own.

Having said this, I am bewildered by those who think the older men who failed their boys so incredibly and so pathetically should not be shamed.

The hell they shouldn’t. Not shaming them is our greatest weakness and is what is continuing the madness. When I heard the words come from your mouth, chills went up and down my spine. It was like the two of us were one on this issue, with the only difference being that you say it much better than I ever could. Thank you for that.

Someday, you and I are going to talk. I mean really talk.

Paul – I absolutely hate sounding like I’m blowing smoke up your (or anyone’s) ass, but gardDAMMit, everytime you write or speak lately, it takes the words out of my mouth.

I put alot of my take of what is also covered here in my latest comments Replying to Shrek on AVfM. But just to add a bit…

I’d call my generation (the hippies) the Abdicating generation. We felt the support of “our” women and mistook it for, as Herb Goldberg put it “Mommy’s gonna fix it”. When circa 1970, they pulled the rug out from under us, we deserved no less. At least, so our GUILT dictated, in circumstance after circumstance.

Drugs, too, took a terrible toll on us: Drug noodleism and/or genuine drug addiction was greatly, to be sure, a whole generation’s self-indulgence. But drugs also provided a numbing to the *guilt* my gen of men went thru as a result of, e.g. feeling forever not-man-enough for ducking what was in its own turn an unjust, decadent and son-abusing War.

Indeed it was, if for only a brief time, having “all the advantages” of being male with few of the disadvantages (hell, even running to Sweden was a long vacation in those days), that brought down, I say again, the GUILT that subsequently was responsible for so much of the decay of manhood in the years subsequent. Including “I’ll let her have the kids, women know much more about raising kids than men”.

The Millennials have been additionally wounded by that knowledge-of-fire blessing/curse of our own time, the Internet. Archetype-oriented, backward-looking people like my(-)self, saw, as early as the 80s, the undesirability of reducing human contact to “virtual” contact, thru sparse electronics. The obese gamer in his mother’s basement is itself the result, itself, of an enculturation of avoidance, voyeurism, intellect-worshipping, and prestige tokenism (“my son the doctor”…are you listening Jewish – and the countless gentile to whom it also applies – mothers?). All real learn, is, in my opinion, what I call somatic learning.

Again echoing yourself, Paul: I don’t see any definite plan of action out of this feminized, nebulized, suicidal thing we are content these days to call Western culture. The Blob has escaped.

My nephew is one of these young men. He has never known his real father, and does not ever want to meet him. Every other father that has been in his life has for the most part been little more than a stranger in the house who just happens to share his mothers bed. He was seriously medicated in his school years told he had attention deficit disorder, and was bi polar. He has been on the short end of the feminist agenda from birth.

He is a product of his age, and understanding him has been enlightening to me. He is a man, but he is like a ship with no rudder, or a kite with no tail. He lacks stability, direction, and often even a plan. He does not think his way through things his first reactions are always emotional, and with out consideration of anything else. He will spend money he cannot afford on things he wants, but does not really need. Then he will blame society when he really needs something like food, and cannot afford it because he bought the toy he wanted on impulse. Instant emotional gratification seems to be his guide.

I had become convinced that he would be a perfect shut in, in about ten more years then Pokemon Go actually got him out of the room, and out into the world. He is bright, can be funny, but lacks any mechanical skills. An IKEA book case absolutely had him stumped even with instructions, and tools. If he tries something new, and fails he does not try again he gets emotional, pouts, and quits. Mistakes are not something he learns from they are always the fault of someone else. If you challenge his preconceived notions on a topic even with facts, and evidence he blocks you out, and responds emotionally.

He is in my opinion a casualty. If he’s a do nothing, waste, useless, or other it is not his fault. Nor is it the fault of his father, or the others who tried to be father like to him when it helped them get into his mothers pants. He is collateral damage, and it is the fault of gynocentic society that he is one of these walking wounded. Not just men who didn’t fight to be fathers and guide their sons, but systems that forced the estrangement, and then purposefully neglected boys.

This is the Gordian knot we face. How to save future generations of men from the killing fields of western culture that is the question. I am afraid though that for those young men like my nephew it is too late, and the damage is done.

Hey, if the MRM is successful in the future, people will look back to the millenial men as the original dissenters and celebrate the fact that they went on strike. They will “appropriate” millenial men as a past “force for good” for their purposes.