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I'm going to be on Ukranian TV debating Trump vs Clinton (self.The_Donald)

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For the first time in my life I'm going to be doing a televised debate with a Hillary supporter in Kiev where I live.

I'd like to get some feedback from you guys; I suspect my opening statement is where I will really win or lose the debate. Here's the rough version of my opening statement

There's one issue in this debate that's more important to me than any other and I'll make case of why it should be more important to you, especially because you are here in Kiev and that issue is war. I hate war, if there's one thing that makes me truly ashamed about my country it's that my country has been waging war on the rest of the world for so long now. There is a mountain of smoldering bodies reaching to the sky because of the foreign policy of the United States for last 20 years. And it has accomplished nothing, trillions of dollars and millions of bodies later, we have nothing to show for the wars. There are three criteria which indicate what are leaders are going to do, these are the three criteria we should use to judge our potential leaders, in decrease importance

1. The financial incentives they have
2. Their past behavior
3. What they say they are going to do

Hillary Clinton will mean more war; she's already said that she will use military force with Russia, she has taken __ millions of dollars from the Military Industrial Complex and she has made a career of using military force.

War between the US and Russia maybe really bad for the Ukraine, for the people in this room and Trump is the bet for averting that. Trump is the isolationist candidate, if you've read Trump's books you'll know that his expertise is in making win-win deals. That's why he's a billionaire.

In 6 months if Kiev is being shelled by Russian artillery and people are dying in the streets because a hot war has broken out between the US and Russia, because the elites in Washington have poked the bear one to many times, will you really care about Trump University, some politically incorrect thing that Trump said flippantly about women or any of the petty issues that we and Reno are going to be debating here.

I suspect that the audience is going to be pretty left leaning being.

My strategy In my opening statement I'm making a really strong moral positioning I'm going to try to frame the debate by explaining that we should look at Trump and Hillary a little different since one is a private businessman and the other is a life long, highly compensated public servant.

I'm going to emphasize that all of the criticisms of trump are conspiracy theories which can be debated back and forth

Whereas Hillary's scandals are pretty plain black and white, especially the email scandal

I'm going to focus on the email scandal because it's an easy case for Hilary's incompetence, since it's so recent and irrefutable I'm going to focus on the likelihood of a US-Russia war under Clinton, which will be very bad for the Ukraine I suspect my primary challenge will be the accusation of Trump's racism

I'll emphasize that in history whenever we see racism associated with war, slavery, genocide it's almost always explicit racism where people are totally upfront about.

Trump has created +30,000 jobs which many have been filled by minorities

I'm going to specify the difference between expressing benign racial preferences

I'm sure we are going to discuss immigration;

I'll make the point that the elites in the United States are trying to do something weird which is to turn one country with a distinctive cultural, ideological, ethnic, religious makeup into a completely different country with a different cultural, ideological, ethnic, religious makeup. The elites never asked the American people if that's what they wanted. There was no public discussion. This will be the election where people decide if that's what they want.

I'm going also going to make a more emotional cases

I welcome any suggestions, I haven't done a televised debate before. I appreciate any factoids or really damning quotes you guys can share with me that support the arguments I'm going to try to make...

I think the moderator is a liberal, I've already gotten a bad vibe from him, so I'll be at a bit of a disadvantage there.

Thanks!

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[–]bum_buster 185ポイント186ポイント  (25子コメント)

Tip: Just say directly that there is ZERO evidence for Trump being racist.

Your opponent will have to do extraordinary mental gymnastics to refute such a statement. Probably will launch several accusations which will be extremely easy to beat back.

[–]Mr_BrexitUK 93ポイント94ポイント  (11子コメント)

He was never accused of being a racist until he ran for office. What a coincidence.

[–]KillaryMust_BTrumpedMN 75ポイント76ポイント  (10子コメント)

Trump is 70 years old. For 68 years of his life he was never accused of racism. This fact will make some heads explode.

[–]shatter321ME 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

He was accused, wasn't he? During the whole racist apartment bullshit?

[–]Thats-right-JayJPN 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes. The government wanted to force Trump to accept tenants on welfare, which he logically refused. It was then turned into a race issue, because landlords not wanting to rent to colored people was an issue at the time. The chair of the New York Human Rights Commission later acknowledged that the Trumps had been targeted because they "were big names".

Whenever this is brought up, liberals also conveniently like to leave out the fact that Trump has never been found guilty.

[–]MerlynTrump 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So they targeted the Trumps because they were "big names", doesn't that mean they discriminated against Trump.

[–]Thats-right-JayJPN 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would be exactly what it means.

[–]TPMJBNC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I only briefly skimmed it, but it seemed to me like section 8 scum were mad they were denied apartments, realized they were all black, so claimed "MUH RACISM" and the courts weren't kind to Trump. I may be missing some key details.

[–]RatmanThomasSC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Central Park 5 though is some ammo that could be used against Trump. Not exactly sure of the specifics. Maybe a New Yorker can shed some light?

[–]JustDoinThingsNY 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Quite the opposite in fact - he was lauded for his work assisting minorities.

[–]ElegantBiscuitPA 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

Specifically, his ban on Muslims (which was largely something to get media attention, and has since been updated to ban on immigration from countries compromised by radical islamic terrorism) is not racists because anyone can be muslim regardless of race and they are the ones assuming muslims are brown people, and also explain how Islam is incompatible with the rest of civilization. Profiling of suspicious people is not racist either because anyone can be suspicious, and anyone who does think its racist is assuming all brown and black people would be the ones affected by profiling because they think they would be the violent thugs and terrorists.

[–]soggy_potatoes 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

B-But Huffington Post said it's racist! And that races are a social construct! /s

[–]Trakanon1776NM 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

And that there is actually more evidence proving he's not. Ask what they knew about Trump two years ago pre candidacy. He got blacks and Jews into golf clubs in Florida while everyone else were the racists. And Jesse Jackson praised him in 1999

[–]patentolog1stTWN 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not just that, there is plenty of evidence that he's NOT AT ALL racist.

  • several employee testimonials, especially after the press tried to dig dirt on him and distorted said employees' statements

  • his insistence that blacks and Jews be allowed to join his Mar-A-Lago club in Florida, over the local elites' objections

  • his work with Jesse Jackson, earning him compliments from Jackson

[–]RedGreenAllaince 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

He can't be to much of Anglo supremacist if two of his wife's were of Slavic origin

[–]leftajar 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

-Christopher Hitchens

[–]Agua61 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think Ukranians give a fuck about racism.

[–]SirBruno95 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

We must prepare for anything the left might throw at us. I'm giving my two cents.

Trump referenced African-American's as black when he first ran for presidency. I've already seen libtards use this as an excuse that Trump is racist.

We ought to find any ammo the left has and prepare a counter to 'em.

[–]Mawrak 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, there is some very old shit like this about Trump, but it is really old, and I am pretty sure that his father was running the business for the most part.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-governments-racial-bias-case-against-donald-trumps-company-and-how-he-fought-it/2016/01/23/fb90163e-bfbe-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html

[–]sordfysh 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To build your defense, watch how Kellyanne Conway debates this point. She doesn't even acknowledge that his profiling techniques are religiously intolerant.

Actually, watch how Conway debates. It's 90% preparation and 10% building the narrative.

Additionally, have someone take to you as many shots at Trump as they can. Have people try to stump you. Don't try to justify things you don't agree with. Build the narrative as a positive force.

Also, if you are debating on Ukrainian TV, make sure to center the discussion around what is best for Ukraine. The biggest argument here is the notion that Trump wants to dismantle the Western military alliances. This should be countered with the notion that Trump will actually bolster the alliances by mandating greater participation by member countries. Also point out that Trump proved he understands the dynamics that led to Brexit whereas Hillary does not. This is important to a leader if they are to rebuild the crumbling alliances and trade partnerships.

[–]badguy_1AZ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To go along with this, ask

"Name one law or policy currently that Is racist"

Watch them fumble to explain institutionalized racism

[–]theblaahUSMC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

someone told me calling mexicans rapists is racist. mh. didn't really no what to say.

[–]DoNotStumpAUS 135ポイント136ポイント  (20子コメント)

Please dispel the fiction that Barack Obama knows what he's doing. Thanks!

[–]leemagistrafMAGA 71ポイント72ポイント  (7子コメント)

u got it wrong mate.... Barack Obama knows EXACTLY what he's doing

[–]ApocolipticBeulahTX 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

SALTY

[–]thinkhard16 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

DONALD J. TRUMP for PRESIDENT in 47 Days, MAGA

[–]JackDandy-RISR 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

THERE IT IS AGAIN!

[–]TheCynicalOne88 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There it is!

[–]spicy_fries 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

(he doesn't)

[–]leemagistrafMAGA 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

no mate. he does. He's been intentionally dividing America. He's been intentionally weak on terror. He's been intentionally going along with globalist trade deals even tho the destruction to American economy is clear.... It's all part of their evil plan to bring America to its knees & hand over control to the UN

[–]QueequegTheaterIL 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

See I can't tell if you're joking.

[–]clydeshadow 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Read this: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146157026376/how-to-un-hypnotize-a-rabid-anti-trumper

[–]SovietSteveAUS 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

pops pills

[–]Floridian_Heathen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

doesn't know*

[–]gameoverman1983 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

THERE IT IS

[–]MrSnowShowUKR 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Could you enlighten me about it? I only started following Trump and politics in general when DNC started.

I have a person that's constantly saying how good Obama is and how great America has become. I pointed out the national debt rise but he quickly dismissed it by saying all countries have debts

[–]DoNotStumpAUS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's what medium Marco said at one the debates

[–]pfffft_comeonTX 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

it would help if you tell me why he thinks america has become so great due to obama. let me know so we'll dispel this fiction.

[–]moostream 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People believe that the economic recovery under Obama's two terms was a massive success. We've also seen a lot of very powerful "progressive" legislation, like the passing of Obama care and the supreme Court ruling on gay marriage, which people suggest was due at least in part to Obamas influential rhetoric. Finally, the violent crime rate has continued it's decline that started in the nineties, suggesting that America is experiencing a particularly prosperous and peaceful period.

[–]armper 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Obama got us to vote for him promising "change". The people of USA interpreted that as change in how government acts corruptly to benefit big businesses/corporations (we had a major crisis in 2007-8 because of corporate greed). Obama was a lot like Bernie Sanders is now. Then, all of a sudden, once he became president, he said to look into yourselves for the "change" or some bullshit, and then continued on with the government/corporate corruption, bringing it on at an all-time high. And then he appointed Clinton, who started these messes overseas including in Ukraine.

[–]OhNoBearIsDrivingMD 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

is this person american or living in america?

[–]MrSnowShowUKR 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

From Ukraine actually. I think the whole 'Obama is the best' is because he says that when Ukraine got invaded Obama and other countries leaders made a lot of sanctions and cut deals with Russia so for him Obama is a hero.

[–]OhNoBearIsDrivingMD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

obama might be good for ukraine or he might not, but unless that person actually lives in america, pays american taxes and deals with american politics, any opinion about how great america has become seems silly. at least half of the country feel obama is mucking about internationally trying to improve his own image while undermining american interests and being divisive if not out right race baiting at home, just look at what obama said and did for the last couple months trying to cram in all his agenda in with executive orders knowing trump is likely to win, they feel desperate and anti-american.

[–]hero19KY 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good luck! Looks like you've prepared yourself fairly well already, you'll do great m8. MUGA

[–]Google_taqiyya 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

good luck

[–]TheGrandPigin 17ポイント18ポイント  (24子コメント)

Most important issues fir my relatives living in ukraine is they want assurance that russia is not going to take them over. Their argument is that if macain would be president he would arm and send troops to ukraine and they hope thats what clnton will do.

Also because they voted in a businessman as their president who has majority of his business in russia he is essentially a covert sell out and you must in my opinion emphasise how trump has no ties to russia himself and will not follow suit.

They want to hear that us will honor agreements made in the 90s when ukraine gave up their nukes and protect them from any future russian agression.

[–]jroseland[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (12子コメント)

Hmm are you saying that Ukrainians would NOT prefer an isolationist US President?

[–]TheGrandPigin 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pretty much but the way i see it ukraine was attacked by russia during obama and clinton years and that shows how weak a leader he is and hillary would more of the same and multiplied. Trump is a strong leader and he always said we need to honor our agreements and putin respects trump already and would definitely not want to tread on trump the president.

But yes all they want is to be safe in ukraine they dont want donbass situation to expand.

[–]mrstickball 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's a counter to the issue:

Trump has said some questionable things about NATO. Primarily, nations that are un-interested in assuming their position in the organization as being equal partners in the treaty, pulling their weight in defense spending. Alternatively, shifts over the past few decades have put Poland in the spotlight as a newer, stalwart ally in the organization.

Under Trump, there can equivocally be scenarios where the Ukranians can pull their own weight and join the treaty to protect itself from aggressionist expansion from Russia or other entities.

However, under Clinton, there is no chance that the Ukraine can become an equal partner in NATO - only a pawn for Hillary to use in her game with the Russians.

Trump does not want war or escalation with the Russians. Inversely, he wants peace and partnership with them. Hillary does not. Which one - war or peace - will result in prosperity for the Ukrainian people?

[–]SirpikuWV 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Peace through strength is one of trumps motos. We don't have to physically intervene all the time if we are seen as top dog. The reason Russia and China are being provocative is because we appear weak right now. Just like in the wild when the alpha gets lamed stronger males will challenge him. So to is true for world politics.

[–]Mr_BrexitUK 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Making Putin prove how strong he is by engaging in military actions in the Ukraine or elsewhere is an inevitable consequence of sabre-rattling. Mutual respect will allow him to not have to act to prove anything.

[–]thesarl 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure you didn't mean that Trump is isolationist, right? He's not, the media tried to label him as one.

[–]ButlerianJihadistSRB 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Absolutely not. There is a sizable segment of Ukrainian population that is itching for war with Russia and they would love for US to be on their side in that suicide mission. You need to think of a different approach concerning Russia. Try to explain to them that Ukrainian interests would be better protected with the US not being dragged into dozen quagmires all around the world.

[–]TheGrandPigin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what I'm saying too, we need to calm the war mongering population down by getting Putin in check with strong leadership and standing firm on past agreements. Only trump can do it as noone respects obama and even less so Hillary.

[–]fuckinshitakiRUS 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

the question to ask for ukraine is the same as here; what good has the hillary and obama administration done for the whole of ukraine thus far?

i'll let you research, but

  • how many people have died in the past 2 years under the government coup?

  • how much has the money devalued?

  • how much land has been lost, not just crimea, but thru sale of ukranian properties public/private since the coup.

  • how many jobs have been lost?

  • how much has the cost of utilities (gas) gone up? or the price of anything else for that matter.

  • hows inflation going?

expect all the same corruption that comes with obama/clinton to continue to degrade ukraine thru bribes and contracts that end in lost money as ukraine seeks to escape its own corruption.

trump represents an opportunity to escape that; both because he wants to break/replace our broken political system of corruption and because he doesn't want to lead the world in globalism. he just wants to lead the u.s. to greatness. thats a genuine benefit to everyone; escaping the globalist husslers.

[–]sorrytodisagree 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hillary is bankrolled by Soros who funded the anti-Russian protests/coup along with Obama/Hillarys support and sparked Putin's response and the civil war.

[–]patentolog1stTWN -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Part of the propaganda that Russia has put out about Ukraine is that the Maidan uprising was a CIA-backed plot. They've used intercepted conversations between Victoria Nuland (US State Dept) and Geoffrey Pyatt (US ambassador to Ukraine), claiming those are evidence of CIA involvement. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 I don't think the conversation supports the inferences the Russians try to force, but some people buy that.

As a result of the Russian invasion and attempt to take even more Ukrainian territory, Ukraine wants/needs military aid from the U.S. It doesn't help that the new oligarchs-in-charge have proven just as corrupt as (if not more so than) the previous several batches, so any aid given is basically going to get wasted or get diverted.

So, yeah, the Ukrainians probably would prefer real help, not isolationism and not catering-to-oligarchs.

[–]armper 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Our "help" has ripped their country apart. I don't think they need any more of it.

[–]patentolog1stTWN 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Their own oligarchs ruined their country through corruption and infighting.

[–]zeebrowGA 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Think about how quickly Hillary would allow Russia to have its way with Ukraine if Russia were to make a donation to the Clinton Foundation.

Or, you could have Trump, who would unequivocally do what's best for America, which based on his anti-war sentiment, would be to curtail a hypothetical Russia-Ukraine conflict. Remember that Putin is not scared of Hillary, but will respect the Don.

[–]OberonCloneNJ 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'm Ukrainian as well! I had no idea there were so many of us on the_donald

Anyway, look at what happened every other time that the US has tried to back a regime. They do the bare minimum to fuck over their opponent - like train Osama bin Laden & create the Taliban, just to stick it to Russia. And then when it was over, the promptly left & ignored any actual societal issues happening in Afghanistan, leaving them to fend for themselves... and then the same thing happened in Iraq. We (the US) fucked all their shit up, for who knows what reason, and then we pull out after we installed our own regime. But once again, the US did not do anything to actually solve any problems in Iraq, and led to the creation of ISIS.

With a track record like that, it's pretty clear that the US doesn't give a shit about supporting another country (nor should it, really. It's not our responsibility to babysit entire nations... but with that in mind we shouldn't be invading them in the first place, then). As a Ukrainian, I would be crushed if the US intervened in Ukraine. They'd once again do the bare minimum to stop Russia, and once that's over they'd leave them to fend for themselves without actually fixing anything... probably while simultaneously arming rebels & terrorist groups recklessly (just look at how the US armed the Kurds & the Syrian rebels, who chose to fight each other instead of ISIS or Bashar al Assad. If this was in a TV show it'd be a premise for a comedy), which will end up doing far more harm than good 5, 10 years down the line.

For that reason, Hillary is going to spell doomsday for Soviet countries. We need someone like Trump who's going to get along with Russia and build a relationship, not a warmonger like Hillary.

And btw, fuck globalism. I dunno what the general feeling about Ukraine entering the EU is, but I always thought it was a bad idea. I support Russia & Putin for standing up for the sovereignty of nations, instead of bowing to the globalist overlords.

[–]thesarl 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You damn Ukrainians are legit hard AF centipedes!

[–]TheGrandPigin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed, and i bet there are more people like you and in any regard this is a touchy subject. As said best for ukraine and everybody really is to get along with russia with firm but reasonable leadership whch would make them honor previous agreements. If you escalate the situation by snding "help" russians will move further inland and ukraine will become another battleground.

[–]JustDoinThingsNY 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you let the US in its more than just doing the bare minimum. It means the US will be interfering in your politics, overthrowing your leaders if things go the wrong way etc.

[–]candid_canidAZ 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Be nimble, centipede!

[–]SilkroadSamDEU 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

  • Review the Stump Cheat Sheet

  • If the person you are going to debate is more emotional then try to bate him/her into getting angry which could result in "Trump is racist." or "Trump acts like Hitler." arguments. Those can be easily debunked. Otherwise try to debate your opponent into logic flaws and hit him/her continuesly on those flaws.

Edit 1:

If you can, try to bring charts with you which show some easy to understand pictures. Generally it is about appealing to the audience and getting the message to everyone.

Edit 2:

Donald Trump's good deeds. You can either use them to counter a typical "Trump is a racist or Hitler." argument or use them when you feel like saying them. You should practice to get a balance between showing the bad things about Hillary Clinton and the good things about Donald Trump.

[–]TheGrandPigin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nobody knows the term "racist" outside of US, especially in Ukraine there is no such thing, it's a US thing.

[–]leemagistrafMAGA 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

also try not to play defense unless u feel like u truly have too. The best defense is a good offense. Keep your opponent on the defense... If they don't understand good debating skills this should be extremely easy.

If they come at you with "Trumps big mouth will get us in wars" remind them that Hillary has a laundry list of war involvement....

If they come at you with "Trump is a racist" bring up 'super-predators'

If they come at you with 'Trump said mexicans are rapists' cite the statistic about how 80% of women crossing the mexican-american border illegally are raped along the way - bring up the emotion surrounding rape & force your opponent to agree that something needs to be done to stop the human smuggling trails.

Be prepared with in depth Clinton foundation pay for play knowledge if they try to come at you with Trump foundation...

Prepare for every attack & have a better rebuttal prepared that will BTFO everytime =). I hope you do welll!!

[–]Archonicus23TX 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I haven't debated on TV or in general in forever, but I would start with a scary AF opening sentence about my opposition. "Would you rather be a pawn in Hillary's World War, or stay alive?" Or something like that, then go into the rest of your opening statement.

[–]billiebol 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Would you rather be a pawn in Hillary's World War, or be stay alive?"

But please don't use the grammatical mistakes seen above. Otherwise solid advice.

[–]CuckyMcCuckerston 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do this.

[–]dootcher 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

False dichotomies are never good in debate - leaves you vulnerable to counter if they're any good. Just stick to the facts - Trump is better in basically every way possible. "BUT MUH FEELINGS" doesn't work in debates.

[–]decipedetimes10 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm another Kiev Centipede! Knock 'em dead! But you're in a losing battle out here. The people don't like Trump because they think he's pro-Russia.

My common responses are:

  1. It would be foolish for any U.S. President to ignore a country like Russia

  2. Maybe Ukrainians should worry less about what the U.S. President is going to do for them and start worrying about what their own president ISN'T doing for them.

  3. Hilary is already SoS and she's doing nothing to help Ukraine. How much do you think that will improve if she's president?

Edit: You might also want to talk about how Hilary sold Uranium to the Russians--and the reality is that she'll do anything as long as she can profit from it.

They'll probably say something about Trump's former campaign manager working for Yanukovich. You can emphasize that 1) Trump plays to win, so he takes the best of the best and 2) it was his former campaign manager--who has since been relieved. Not an advisor. And it was not Trump himself.

You'll also want to make mention of how Trump declined to build a hotel in Moscow back in the late 80's early 90's because it was a bad deal. When you're at the negotiating table do you want a person who will give away anything for her cut, or do you want a man that calls Russia out on their B.S.? NATO promised to protect Ukraine when they gave away their nukes--and they failed miserably when it came time to actually stick up for Ukraine. Trump is a man of his word--if he makes a deal, it's because he knows it's a good one and he'll stand by it.

[–]sjwkingGRC 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh. Hillary is a criminal. She has created a network with the head of the Hydra being the Clinton Foundation. Their job is to take money from rich individuals and sell political favors. The whole democratic party is into this. Yes the GOP does this kind of stuff but Trump is not the GOP. Hillary will take money from countries like Saudi Arabia to say "Muslims are not terrorists and terrorists are not true Muslims (TM)".

[–]Eureka74 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds good to me.

[–]Bo-ba 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

You won't find much rationality in Ukraine. Be prepared to get booed.

[–]max1cUKR 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is probably the correct answer. Most people in Ukraine don't care about 90% of the issues that you will bring up. Especially do not talk about "racial" issues. If anything many people there are racist in the first place. And considering that you don't even know that Ukraine is used without an article I don't think you have enough knowledge about the issues of the country to succeed.

[–]Bo-ba -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

В жопу себе засунь свой артикль, хохол сраный

[–]DonalDuxMAGA 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only red flag is see in your approach is the use of the terminology or even the nuanced concept of "benign racial preference", this will be interpreted as "ethnocentrism or benign racism" by a lot people. I'd suggest you steer clear of it.

On the issue of Immigration, if I were you, I'd focus on the angle of meritocracy. No country has gained more than the United States by importing the very best and smartest and the creatives from all over the world. Instead of building on that by making a transparent merit based streamlined and moral immigration algorithm, the politicians have resorted to importing 'quotas' of people based on every other consideration, of which the most important is how well connected, corrupt or willing to break the law one is to enter the US (not the cultural affinity to America, purely economic leeching)

[–]Mr_BrexitUK 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to specify the difference between expressing benign racial preferences

Avoid that like the plague.

You will win this by owning the frame the debate takes place in - get this in early - mainly Trump being the underdog/outsider and the media & political system being in cahoots with one another to smear him. Do this well and denying this makes the opponent look like they are part of this controlling system.

Force them into cognitive dissonance traps, such as choosing between diversity and equality.

Quotes from his books will really help, as will quotes from before he ran for office. Also, it shows how the Cathedral only went for his throat when he decided to take it on. It shows they are afraid.

[–]scy1192WI 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A chapter in his book, The America We Deserve, is dedicated to foreign policy. It was written in 1999 but a lot is still applicable today. I highly suggest you study that.

[–]acme2011 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mention that ISIS is being empowered through Saudi arms dealings partly brought about by clinton foundation donations. ISIS is a pretty easily despised scum on both sides of the aisle. Implications of Russia-US aggression over Syria etc..Great opening statement BTW, very powerful.

[–]DanMyName 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just because someone has experience does not mean they have been good at their job.

[–]themessias1001 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Be prepared for: Why did Trump not even bother to respond to the President of Ukraine who requested a meeting last week?

[–]decipedetimes10 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Answer: "Probably because he is extremely dissatisfied with the President of Ukraine's incompetence or inaction in defeating corruption and defeating the rebels in rebel-held territory."

[–]SandersGuccifer2016CA 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is your opener and closer: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/rfk-trump-2016-democratic-party-speechwriter-214270

Focuses mostly on war, pro trump, written endorsement by JFKs former speech writer.

[–]FutureNactiveAccountFF 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Underrated, this was so well written I hope everyone has the opportunity to read it.

[–]aneq 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dont play the "hillary will mean war with russia" card

Ukraine is already at war as far as Ukrainians are concerned and Hillary is at least pretending to help them (tho i think this was a manufactured conflict in the first place)

The damage is already done and if you say that Trump will be buddies with Putin it will only mean he will abandon Ukraine. Focus on shillary weakness and Dons strength

[–]goldtubb 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Be sure to mention Manafort

[–]SomeoneOnThelnternetCAN 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Awesome! As a Ukrainian born, Canadian MAGA supporter, good luck!!

I think the biggest point you need to push will be the USA vs. Russia war. Ukrainians hate what the current conflict has done to their country. And you just have to bash it into their heads how if Hillary starts anything with Russia - and she will as she has repeatedly said, it will very negatively affect Ukraine which is already in a barely alive state as it is.

If that happens, which has a very high chance of happening, to Ukrainians, NOTHING else will matter. It won't matter what Trump said or how racist he might be portrayed. It won't matter how good or bad any of their policies are. If the USA gets into a conflict with Russia, which they will with Hillary, Ukraine will suffer the most.

[–]TheGrandPigin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As somebody else has mentioned there is a part of the population that wants US to "beat the crap out of Russia", which is understandable but would make Ukraine into a full blown battleground. Trump is respected by Putin and will make sure that old agreements are honored and sovereighnety of Ukraine must be preserved. Clinton could not force Putin to do anything even in her wildest dreams but Trump can, we know, Trump knows and most importantly Putin agrees.

[–]CheetoCrustedDick 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

She is saber rattling with Russia already. Any war with Russia will make the situation worse in East Ukraine.

[–]RUSSIA_BEST_COUNTREY 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Recommend you do read www.rt.com to inform yourself of war facts before debate. Avoid bias sources.

[–]leemagistrafMAGA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

make sure you bring up the most recent develops in the email story - Paul Combetta deleting incriminating evidence online & the federal investigation being launched into it

[–]umilmi81MI 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would avoid any arguments about "racial preferences". That's a very complex topic and you will only have seconds to make an argument and simply throwing that out there without having a solid 30 minutes to explain human nature and evolution you will just come across as a racist.

The only thing that needs to be said about Trump and Racism is that he fought the Palm Beach Town Council to allow blacks and jews into clubs in the 90's when he built Mar-a-Lago. All the other clubs and resorts were segregated and he ended that.

[–]OhNoBearIsDrivingMD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah i don't even know what he meant by racial preferences, trump never mentioned any preferences. and what does the possibility of internal american racism have anything to do with ukranian national security or prosperity. when racism is brought up just ask for specifics and laugh at how retarded the specific examples are (islam is not a race, mexican is not a race, etc) or just ask what that has anything to do with international policies. he doesn't have to convince the other side, just need to make his opponent look like a crazy retard to the audiences.

[–]Hating_Spurrier 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A Clinton presidency means absolute war in Ukraine between two superpowers which will annihilate your country.

[–]Donk_QuixoteNV 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You post is almost identical to an article I just read, "I Was RFK’s Speechwriter. Now I’m Voting for Trump. Here’s Why". Basically the democrats are now the party of war, but so are the neo-cons.

I would only suggest watch a bunch of Milo interviews where they have him debating a feminist or other liberal.

[–]bottomlines 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

One good point is that Trump made money from real things. Hotels. Apartment buildings. Office buildings. Casinos.

Hillary has a net worth of $130M, from a career in 'public service'. She hasn't created anything really. All she is selling is contacts, relationships etc

[–]leemagistrafMAGA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i suggest spending a lot of time on /hillaryclinton n /enoughtrumpspam to figure out what new attacks u may face... don't get caught off guard

[–]themessias1001 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Make sure to say that Trump strongly said that Putin is not going to invade Ukraine on his watch. Under Obama they did invade on the other hand!

[–]ArgonNightmare 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/jroseland please be very careful. I know too many stories about "Moskal'" Ukr journalists and commentators being beaten and tortured. It happened just last week to Sharii when he criticized Feigin. I strongly strongly implore you to dodge when they link Trump with Putin, your life could depend on it.

[–]hastyshaun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also mention that Trump opposed the Iraq War when most of the country was supporting it, at the start of the war. If somebody mentions the Howard Stern interview, ask them to watch the clip where Trump gave a very unenthusiastic response ("Yeah... I guess"). That doesn't sound like someone who supports the Iraq War.

Trump is a businessman and understands that war is bad for business. War is bad period.

[–]RichardRahl56 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget to mention Hillary's subversion of the Lybian government which greatly helped to create the entire migration/refugee crisis in Europe. Or the massive arms deals across the middle East in the last 8 years, or Hillary's support of the rebel/ISIS training in Syria.

[–]LamsSilence 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who is the audience? And who is the "judge". First off- don't expect to win. Do your job honestly, and that is what wil give you the most peace. In this particular case, it's media. So you will lose.

That having said, if the audience and judge isn't American, no point in talking about jobs.

You may want to bring up India vs Pakistan. America aids Pakistan which is a known terrorist nation. This is something shameful but our politicians don't care who is right or wrong. They care that someone is fighting so that the MIC continues to prosper. Their goal is not peace in Ukraine. If America wants something- it happens. Do you really think that MIC will allow peace in Ukraine or Russia? What do they have to gain from it. Nothing. They want to foment unrest in areas surrounding Russia so that they can use that as a leverage.

Senator Rand Paul- one of our most honest guys is on record asking if Hillary knew about Sarin being transferred from Libya to Syria. Sarin was later used by ISIS to chemically attack Syrians. Think about it, our politicians allowed innocent people to die just so that they could blame Assad. They are true to no-one but money. If you're on the right side, you have all the reason to be worried. More so than the "bad" side. Because as ashamed as I am of it- our MIC has been on the wrong side for most part

0) 6) Afghanistan- we were on the right side thankfully. And we did okay. Osama is no more. But ask an average Afghan and they will say situation hasn't changed much.

1) Libya: Gaddafi was stopping immigration. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/6528 They took him down for Gold and ruined Libya and Europe. Gaddafi had nothing wrong with him

2) Iraq: Is now a hellhole. Was a functioning country at least.

3) Syria

4) Pakistan vs India: Economic, Military and moral support to Pakistan. Pakistan sends terrorists to India

5) China: So much human right violation- not so much as a word

Think about it- What's the common factor here? Creating more chaos, selling more weapons. Trump is not a friend of MIC.

[–]Version_TwoCAN 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just don't go to the gym until then

[–]sls36VA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey! When is your debate I would love to help. I am going to PM you.

[–]thesarl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great work and good luck! My one comment is I'm not a fan of fear-mongering (although what you said is true), and here's why–it's not the most effective tactic. People tend to "tune-out" when they hear fear-mongering, whether it's fact based or not.

I think if you open strongly pro-Trump, softly anti-Clinton, would be best. Remember, this is an election FOR Trump, not necessarily against Clinton. Make mention in opening remarks that while the elites are making false slander against Trump, HRC has real skeletons in her closet. Make them think you're gonna go soft on her and then slowly ramp up the redpilling until you close with mentioning the former Presudent of Haiti on video, detailing the corruption and bribery by the Clinton whitehouse!

That's my initial thought on reading your post. Stay nimble my friend, and may the tidings of Kek be with you!! MAGA!

[–]TheGoldenDon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget where Joe Biden's son ended up after the revolution ;)

[–]TrumpGalMOD EMERITUS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is the debate going to be in English?

[–]my_dog_savages_sjwsUK 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regarding immigration you could ask how Ukrainians would feel if Russia sent millions of migrants to their country in order to forever change its demographics.

[–]mrstickball 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you do in fact do the debate, please tell us how to get a recorded copy to watch of you brave centipede debating crooked Hillary!

[–]DesertCobraPOL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to adjust arguments to the audience. In Ukraine no one will care about minorities or Muslims, because you are homogenous racially and religiously country, so don't pick up Hillary calling blacks superpredators, being against gay marriage etc. UNLESS your opponent calls Trump anything-phobe. You know best what your folks care about - for example peace with Russia, and you need to say that Trump will guarantee it, and Hillary is very likely to make things worse.

Also you need to say that Ukraine has to give Lwów back to us. /s

[–]Godfather26NY 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should talk about hillarys war gawk like policies, Libya and iraq

[–]wixxxard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

  1. It's Ukraine, not 'the' Ukraine; don't make that mistake.
  2. The media has portrayed Trump as being buddy buddy with Putin as they seem to compliment each other through msm. Ukrainians think because of this, Trump would allow Putin to do what he wants on the world stage and in Ukraine. You need to argue this and dispell that notion; perhaps referencing Trump's lack of investment in Russia. OR Trump makes nice with Putin and he brings peace into Ukraine through political (deal making) and not physical means.
  3. Who got Putin the US Uranium deal? Shillary. She is a closer actual friend of Putin for this fact than Trump.
  4. Brush-off the raicst, bigot.... blah blah the msm and SJW's spew; it has no relevance in Ukraine's discussion and you should mention there are more important issues to address. It will shut down one of their talking points, if it ever was.

[–]wizacre 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ukraine?

Let's discuss the elephant in the living room, shall we?

Foreign Policy

Specifically -

  1. What was the US role in the recent conflct in Ukraine?

  2. What were the costs of those policy choices?

  3. What were the costs to Ukrainians?

  4. What was the benefit to the American people?

Item number 4 is where Hillary comes apart.

Meddling in foreign conflicts, usually, has little or no benefit to the American people. The financial costs, of course, are borne by the US taxpayer, but where is the return?

[–]Good_Behavior_DayMN 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every time your opponent says the word racist, just say "there you go again" and shake your head.
Trump has said some nice things about Putin and Hillary tries to spin it as Trump likes dictators. Try to spin it as Trump wants normalized relations with other countries.
Trump isn't so much an isolationist as he wants to avoid military entanglements. Blowing stuff up is bad for business (broken glass fallacy).
Trump's main appeal is a positive message, rebuild inner cities, make America great, security. Hillary's message is more about stamping out racism, pandering to the left (even when it hurts other groups), and experience (despite a long list of failures starting with HillaryCare). Be positive, Trump wants to build America and the world. Hillary wants to topple governments like Libya and Syria.
I know this is easier said than done, but get to bed early the night before, you need to be rested. Look straight into the camera lens. The audience will see eye contact and it comes off as sincere.

[–]TrumpSRBSRB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

GOOD LUCK!

Don't forget that his anti-war stances and opposing the bombing of Serbia/Yugoslavia in 1999.

[–]patentolog1stTWN 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump has created +30,000 jobs which many have been filled by minorities

TBH, OP, I don't know why they would care about whether blacks get jobs in the U.S. Their interest is going to be focused on Trump's foreign policy, and primarily on his policies toward Ukraine and Russia. Possibly also on immigration policy, military aid policy, and other things that actually might affect their lives.

Abstract stupid shit like whether Trump is going to impose carbon taxes to start a new ice age in our lifetimes, or mess with student loan policies? Why would they care?

Unless your target audience is Ukrainian-U.S. dual citizens or something like that.

[–]armper 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure you will, but just talk about how normal the people of Donbass are. In western media, they have been portrayed as "separatists" when in fact they think of themselves as patriots fighting for their homes. Yes, they do like Putin, and elected a pro-Putin president that the west outed, and there is now a lot of bad blood, but you guys need to get over the political divide. America will go through the same, it's our Karma. The west of Ukraine is waging a war against their brothers for the benefit of oil/natural resources. Ukraine will get the shit-end of the stick in this "deal" just as other countries have had done to them.

If Trump is elected, he will make a lot of this or all of it (depending on how congress and its corruption too will respond) go away and you can begin to heal. And Trump snubbed Poroshenko when he visited NYC, I hear :)

[–]Formally_Nightman 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

In order to win, ironically, Clinton must create divide, racism, and victimization of economic imbalance.

Why? The democrats are the waiving flag for the poor and the minorities.

Imagine Americans actually living to our motto? "One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

America with all races and working classes working side by side for the growth of this country would result in a landslide for the Republicans.

This is why the democrats must invoke hate amongst each other.

  • Who is promoting hating the police. Liberal media and Clinton.

  • Who is promoting the victimization of blacks in America? Liberal media and Clinton.

  • Who is promoting the victimization of the poor? Liberal media and Clinton.

*** The liberal Democrat agenda is so powerful that should you voice against these issues they attempt to mute your thoughts by calling you a racist. Their eyes glaze over and only want to shut you down; like an irrational mother who yells at a psychologist who needs the mother to understand issues with her child. ... Trump on the other hand is promoting unity and that is how the Republican platform has to be in order to win.

He has been misquoted intentionally to pigeonhole him as a racist. That is the how a shut down in communication, dialogue, and (ironically) free speech is blocked by the liberal agenda.

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[–]MrRogue 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't just grant your opponent that "we will be debating" Trump's politically incorrect statements. I would preemptively sort of insult your opponent for going there:

"...and his opponents are left with no recourse but to resort name calling because they have no defense for their failed policies. They would rather fabricate or exaggerate stories than adress the issues, because on the issues, hillary Clinton has an unparalleled history of failure."

Or something. That's just off the cuff. Read this:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146157026376/how-to-un-hypnotize-a-rabid-anti-trumper

[–]RedGreenAllaince 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hillary Clinton is a Neocon and more right wing than Trump on most issues she is a corporate candidate not a candidate of the left

[–]tholinzTX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not about war. Her warmongering is a symptom. The problem is vast and unchecked corruption.

[–]ion9aUSA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh man there's some serious russia vs ukraine politics going on in this thread

[–]maga_landslide_win 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ukraine has long been co-opted by Soros' 'revolution', a globalist stooge Porkyshenko is placed in power... let's just say you won't be on home territory.

[–]QueequegTheaterIL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Advice: don't take Redditors' advice on anything. No one in this thread has actually been on a live TV debate.

[–]-14k- 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In your own words why you will not win:

I'm aware that I'm an unattractive guy with poor public speaking skills

[–]CRFlixxxTX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

OK, going to be honest I didn't read the whole post, BUT...my advice is...Never defend, ALWAYS attack.

They are going to put you on the defensive, don't take the bait, put the question back on them on how Hillary has done the same and hasn't had the same media attention.

[–]CitizenJoseph 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't want to come off as Pro-Russia, but rather I'm pro-nationalism. If that nation happens to be Russia, then so be it.

First you need to find out the position of everyone on the following: Does Russia have the right to be a nation state? Then, Does Russia have the right to defend its interests?

If you can get them to acknowledge those rights, you might be able to have a debate with them. I suspect that they will deny those rights because any concessions on their part will appear as a sign of weakness.

As far as I know, Russia has not invaded past the Crimea, which they flat out declared that they were liberating for the ethnic Russians that lived there.

The EU started a proxy war by economically encroaching and indeed stealing the Ukraine from Russia. The EU made an ultimatum, deal with EU or deal with Russia, but not both. They didn't have to do that, but they forced Ukraine's hand. The Ukrainian President opted for the traditional Russian economic alliance.

The rebels in the Ukraine violated the stability of a democratically elected government and ousted the president. That is an unstable regime taking over a country that has been an ally or at the very least a buffer state between Russia and the openly hostile European Union. They literally pushed the battle front right into the Ukraine. Maybe I respect property rights too much, but I don't like shitty neighbors. I'm totally okay with Russia taking back their military base as well as a refuge for their loyalists.

At this point, the Ukraine needs to stabilize and normalize relations with Russia. Because an unelected regime won't be recognized by Russia. Get your shit together, then they can talk. But, so long as the Ukraine is a lawless state, there won't be any faith in any treaties created.

Now, the Ukraine can bend the knee and go the route of the EU, or it can re-establish itself as an independent nation, or it can grovel back to Russia to get some order. It is an altogether shitty situation. The EU is going to collapse in about 2 election cycles. Once the wealthy nations bail, the rest won't have any incentive to stay in. The EU, at one point, could have provided the stability needed for the Ukraine, but not any more. Ideally, the Ukraine should stand on its own two feet and stabilize itself. THIS IS GOING TO BE PAINFUL. However, if the EU collapses before the Ukraine stabilizes, they won't have any option other than becoming a Russian vassal state.

[–]PostShitGetHitDEU 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the moderator is a liberal

I suspect that the audience is going to be pretty left leaning being

Don't get me wrong now, I do think more people should speak out in favor of Donald Trump. But this is looking bad for you. My advice: Don't go. They will do everything they can to make you look bad.

[–]artem_mRUS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hello my friend, I think I can help out a bit. I'm sure that the main topic of conversation would be Ukrainian issues, so you have to stay firm about how the Clinton elites in the states are going to nothing to help out the Ukrainian people and prop up the Poroshenko government. If they talk about economics say are our people really better off then they were four years ago? We have thousands of Ukrainians going across the border and working in Poland for pennies, if they get paid at all (Vice has a great documentary about this) higher real unemployment than ever, oligarchs having the run of government like Igor Kolomoyskyi, and nothing to show for it. Ukraine is a wonderful country but all of these pro-globalist countries have made a mess of it. Junker says that the soonest Ukraine would be able to join the EU is 25 years from now, and I don't see the EU lasting another ten years. Ukraine is similar to Poland in many ways yet Poland's GDP is exceptional where as Ukraine's the same size as Gabon. Let me know if you need any other kinds of information. I'd be glad to help!

[–]-HarryManback-USA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reverse the order - 1. What they say they are going to do 2. Their past behavior 3. The financial incentives they have

  1. If you're going for the Russian war angle speak on what Hillary has said about Putin (harsh, threatening, and with utter contempt) and how she accused Russia of hacking the DNC and maybe the election (?she say that or just the media?. Also about her and Obama's policy views in Syria that would be the spark for a war.

  2. Her past warhawk record in Iraq, Libya, et all.

  3. Not sure of her ties to the Military Industrial Complex but they're likely there. Mention the Clinton Foundation and how she's the definition of political establishment insider and those are the types that profit off war.

For Trump.

  1. Repeatedly stated he wants to have a good relationship with Russia/Putin. Opposite of Hillary's approach. And he wants to work with them to wipe out ISIS.

  2. Long history of opposing wars and our never ending entanglements in the ME. Being a billionaire businessman means he has good working relationships with all types all around the world. You have to be fair and tough in such relationships to get to where he's at.

  3. Zero monetary incentive. Could throw in the preemptive strike about Trump's "giant ego" and rhetorically ask wouldn't that make it more likely he'd do his best to be great? Trump already has a legendary legacy and this is his cherry on the top, his magnum opus, the last thing a "giant ego" would want was to tarnish and bring shame to his legacy and family name.

*On the emails drop the bomb red pill by saying that the deleted emails that were recovered by the FBI were so secret/classified that even the members of Congress at the very hearing didn't have high enough clearance to see them.

[–]OrionSC2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Remember that you are not talking to your opponent, you are talking to the rational people at home watching.

Don't take her bait. Don't lose your cool.

[–]frogy988 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Part of the Hydra being the underdog/outsider and the world.

[–]EasymodeX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to specify the difference between expressing benign racial preferences

I recommend you avoid this. There's little meaningful difference here, and you are implicitly acceding that Trump or Trump's supporters actually express 'benign racial preferences', which is false.

Trump and Trump's supporters do not express 'benign racial preferences'. We express behavioral preferences. I personally don't give a shit if a person is hispanic or a Muslim (even though that's not a race). What matters to me is the pattern of behavior of illegal immigrants and mainstream Islamic ideology and culture. These preferences are characterized by actual beliefs and actions, not skin color or ethnicity.

[–]SchmingleberryTX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

whats the context? why in kiev?

[–]maccy_d99999 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

OK, going to do what he wants to dismantle the Western military alliances.

[–]iDivCAN 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they claim that Trump did the same stuff as Hillary, remind them that Trump was a private citizen, not Secretary of State. "How has Trump helped people?" He had no obligation to help people as he wasn't in a position of political power.

[–]rTYu62MB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are in a bar. Donald leans over, and with a smile on his face, says, "The media is really tearing you apart for that Scandal." Hillary: "You mean my lying about Benghazi?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "You mean the massive voter fraud?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "You mean the military not getting their votes counted?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "Using my secret private server with classified material to Hide my Activities?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything Else?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "Using the Clinton Foundation as a cover for tax evasion, Hiring Cronies, And taking bribes from foreign countries?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "You mean the drones being operated in our own country without The Benefit of the law?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million, and right afterward it Declared Bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "You mean arming the Muslim Brotherhood and hiring them in the White House?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "Whitewater, Watergate committee, Vince Foster, commodity Deals?" Trump: "No the other one:" Hillary: "Turning Libya into chaos?" Trump: "No the other one:" Hillary: "Being the mastermind of the so-called “Arab Spring” that only brought chaos, death and destruction to the Middle East and North Africa?" Trump: "No the other one:" Hillary: "Leaving four Americans to die in Benghazi?" Trump: "No the other one:" Hillary: "Trashing Mubarak, one of our few Muslim friends?" Trump: "No the other one:" Hillary: "The funding and arming of terrorists in Syria, the destruction and destabilization of that nation, giving the order to our lapdogs in Turkey and Saudi Arabia to give sarin gas to the "moderate" terrorists in Syria that they eventually used on civilians, and framed Assad, and had it not been for the Russians and Putin, we would have used that as a pretext to invade Syria, put a puppet in power, steal their natural resources, and leave that country in total chaos, just like we did with Libya? Trump: "No the other one:" Hillary: "The creation of the biggest refugees crisis since WWII?" Trump: "No the other one:" Hillary: "Leaving Iraq in chaos? " Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "The DOJ spying on the press?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "You mean HHS Secretary Sibelius shaking down health insurance Executives?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "Giving our cronies in SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 Months Later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "The NSA monitoring citizens' ?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "The State Department interfering with an Inspector General Investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "Me, The IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "Threats to all of Bill's former mistresses to keep them quiet? " Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "You mean the INSIDER TRADING of the Tyson chicken deal I did where I invested $1,000 and the next year I got $100,000?" Trump: "No, the other one." Hillary: "You mean when Bill flew with Attorney General, Loretta Lynch, just before my hearing with the FBI to cut a deal?" Trump" "No, the other one." Hillary: " You mean the one where my IT guy at Platte River Networks asked Reddit for help to alter emails?" Trump" "No, the other one." Hillary: "You mean where the former Haitain Senate President accused me and my foundation of asking him for bribes?" Trump" "No, the other one." Hillary: "You mean that old video of me laughing as I explain how I got the charges against that child rapist dropped by blaming the young girl for liking older men and fantasizing about them. Even though I knew the guy was guilty? Trump" "No, the other one." Hillary: "You mean that video of me coughing up a giant green lunger into my drinking glass then drinking it back down?" Trump" "No, the other one." Hillary: "You mean that video of me passing out on the curb and losing my shoe?" Trump" "No, the other one." Hillary: "You mean when I robbed Bernie Sanders of the Democratic Party Nomination by having the DNC rig the nomination process so that I would win?" Trump" "No, the other one." Hillary: "You mean how so many people that oppose me have died in mysterious was?" Trump" "No, the other one." Hillary: "Travel Gate? When seven employees of the White House Travel Office were fired so that friends of Bill and mine could take over the travel business? And when I lied under oath during the investigation by the FBI, the Department of Justice, the White House itself, the General Accounting Office, the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, and the Whitewater Independent Counsel?" Trump" "No, the other one." Hillary: "The scandal where, (while I was Secretary if State), the State Department signed off on a deal to sell 20% of the USA's uranium to a Canadian corporation that the Russians bought, netting a $145 million donation from Russia to the Clinton Foundation and a $500,000 speaking gig for Bill from the Russian Investment Bank that set up the corporate buyout?. That scandal?" Trump" "No, the other one." Hillary: "That time I lied when I said I was under sniper fire when I got off the plane in Bosnia?" Trump" "No, the other one." Hillary: "I give up! ... Oh wait, I think I've got it! When I stole the White House furniture, silverware, when Bill left Office?" Trump: "THAT'S IT! I almost forgot about that one".

Overthrew Gaddafi invaded Libya Why? for French Corps. interest in oil and her cronies in the foundation She made people stayback in Benghazi even after a terrorist attack to other western troops and offices. Why? (Read through Sid Blumenthals emails the Foundation donors had vested interest in Libya) She retained the Embassy security clearance with almost next to nothing security (yes this is sole responsibility of Secr. of State by law to authorize) Benghazi happened she didn't not send in support despite 300 calls for support - Ambassador Stevens, Information Officer Sean Smith, and two CIA operatives, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, both former Navy SEALs killed Lied to parents and Americans that it was inspired from mob riot over a YouTube, sending in Cheryl Mills to do PR on 6 morning shows to affirm the lies Repeated Congressional enquiries (Dem and Rep) give her clean chit. Enter Rowdy Gowdy starts investigation, calls for State Dept. emails on Benghazi. Uh oh..we don't have them. Why? They're on a private server. News Breaks out about private server, aide deletes 30,000 emails saying they are 'yoga' and 'Chelsea's wedding' emails. Gives them the rest. Administration refuses to give all documents regarding benghazi, delaying investigation. Media starts spreading narrative Gowdy is taking too much time. Grilling of HRC by Gowdy, HRC new narrative - "I testified for 14 straight hours". FBI be like - "Errmm..about that private server "- starts their own year long investigation one eve of release Bill Dicking Bimbos meets Loretta on tarmac, Comey says no way they can indict Hillary. Gowdy also releases their briefing on the yearlong investigation (even though they didn't get all doc from Admin) Gowdy grills Comey, exposes all the lies about classified markings Gowdy grills Loretta Lynch who just BSes away during her hearing Media be like "Can we stop talking about those emails?" Judicial Watch requests for briefing on FBI investigation, Gowdy and the world finds out HRC used Bleachbit and destroyed 13 Blackberries. Had security compromised by a Tor user once. Congress - Gowdy and Chaffetz calls in all IT aides. Pagliano (who setup server was awarded immunity by DOJ???!!) refuses to turn up. Paul StoneTear Combetta (staff in PlattRiver also given immunity) asserts 5th. Clinton Staff only guy who answers some questions. 4chan users break news on StoneTear asking for advice to delete emails, a Twitter user informs The_Donald asks them to archive everything. News breaks out on Twitter and Reddit. StoneTear deletes everything, but not before Anonymous and others try to get his data. September 22, 2016 Chaffetz and Gowdy calling in IT aides for second hearing. Media and Dems - "Those emails are Old news"...SMFH

[–]UpTheSuit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't go into the emails. Unless you can explain it within 2 sentences. Emails don't trigger emotions. You will always loose with some 'but she didn't understand the C on the Emails!!!' argument. Watch the Trump speeches. He avoids such details like the plague because they are a waste of time and only internet/political nerds get a hard on from them.

[–]escvisio 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't say "the Ukraine".

[–]TempusRerumImperator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should mention that even now her phonebank is completely unsecure. She still hasn't learned her lesson and is exposing American private information to anyone on the internet. Encourage the crowd to go on the website and make calls. LOL that should get your point across about her incompetence.

[–]popfreq 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Clintons played a role in the creation of the oligarchs after the fall of the USSR by supporting Leonid Kuchma and Yelstin. People that the Clinton promoted in the region like Lawrence Summers were very active in looting money from the state into the hands of a few former communist party bigwigs.

Their support for democracy is merely lip service -- remember how they supported and praised Yeltsin when he shelled parliament. In actuality they serve the elite, who in turn pour money on them or their foundation. Ukranian oligarchs are among the Clinton foundation's top donors.

Other stuff

  • Hillary in particular is an hawk with bad judgement who has a history of rash decisions.

  • From Bosnia to Iraq to the middle east, she has followed an policy of intervene first for PR and short term reasons, with little regard for long term consequences.

  • She does not take responsibility, but instead relies on spin to explain away bad decisions.

  • She does not respect past agreements or even past allies, no matter how loyal they had been, as we saw in the case of Egypt's Hosni Mubarak.

[–]dtdt2020 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

mention how Democrats all laughed at Mitt Romney last election cycle when he said Russia was the biggest threat. That Trump may not demonize Putin like Clinton, but he recognizes the current policy isn't working.

[–]moostream 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If someone is able to record the debate with English subtitles, could you send it to me? I would love to see the beat down.

[–]ThugLifeNewShitUSA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/09/09/fox-news-analyst-and-clinton-operative-douglas-e-schoen-accepted-millions-of-dollars-to-agitate-for-war-with-russia/

[–]ShoreCircuit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The main topic that is relevant to Ukrainians is war with Russia. The 2014 revolution and subsequent invasion and occupation of Crimea and Donbas. Your main argument should be that Obama and Hillary are weak and allowed Russia to take over Ukrainian lands and kill thousands of people to this day. Despite Obama's sanctions he violated the Budapest Memorandum that was signed by United States and Russia to guarantee territorial protection in exchange for dismantling nuclear weapons. Drill your opponent on Obama/Hillary failing to protect Ukraine according this agreement and bring up examples how current administration failed many other US allies.

Your opponents main attack will be that Donald and Putin have a bro-romance and that will result in Ukraine being handed off to Russia on a silver platter. You need to have counter argument to dismantle this lie.

I'm American-Ukrainian that closely follows Ukrainian news, so I'm almost certain this will be the main topic.

[–]CitizenJoseph -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

The EU baited the Ukraine into joining the EU economy at the cost of abandoning the Russian economy. The Ukrainian president sided with Russia. The Ukrainians then had a coup and through him out ILLEGALLY to side with EU. Russia then seized the Crimea because they had a base there and a large population of ethnic Russians. Ukraine lost the Crimea as a price for ousting their democratically elected president.

[–]decipedetimes10 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

him out ILLEGALLY to side with EU

This is Ukraine. Laws don't matter here. There is no such thing as "legal" and "illegal" in a place where laws are changed daily (literally) solely to benefit the oligarchs who have the power to create them.

[–]CitizenJoseph -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

My point is that the Ukrainians (at least the rebels) believed the false song of globalism. They went with the EU market and now the EU is tanking.

The EU is going to demand that the Ukraine take in refugees before they let the Ukraine into their shitshow of an economy. Once the sword of Islam is at Ukraine's throat, they'll beg for Russia to come in. But Russia won't at that point, because Russia is dead set on protecting its borders from invasion, islamic or otherwise.

[–]decipedetimes10 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would go with the globalism thing. But only in terms of highlighting the West's hypocrisies and refugee crises. I think that would resound a lot with the people here--especially because they view NATO as a betrayal (after the Russians invaded, NATO has essentially done nothing).

In Kiev, you won't get any anti-european support in a "vs. Russia" scenario. It would do more harm than good. Islam doesn't scare them so much either because the mentality here isn't nearly as cuckolded as the West. Here it's: "You rape our women? We'll cut off your dicks and then sew them to your forehead before cutting off your hands and throwing you in the icy river. Welcome to Ukraine."

tl;dr a "pro-russia" stance would not go well for OP as much as an "anti-EU" stance.

[–]Modif_bearZAF -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Some fun points against Hillary

  • Has called black folks "super predators"

  • Was against LGBT rights until it became convenient

  • Calls the former head of the KKK a "mentor"

  • Her incompetence in handling sensitive information

  • The effect the Clinton Foundation had on Haiti

[–]OhNoBearIsDrivingMD 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

maybe just focus on the clinton foundation fucking up haiti and her incompetence, the rest seem like petty internal bullshit that doesn't affect ukrainian security. like what does disproportional african american incarcerated or lgbtbbq bathroom issues have anything to do with ukraine?

[–]Modif_bearZAF 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perception is everything.

It can only be beneficial to use facts to frame Clinton as someone who is untrustworthy and manipulative, which is why I added those points.

[–]timmyjingoroIL -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ctrl+F = no results for "syria", "libya", "ISIS", "refugee crisis"

Mention these four things by name. Especially "ISIS" and "refugee crisis". And mention them as close to the beginning as possible.

"Foreign policy" doesn't trigger mental images like "ISIS" and "refugee crisis" do. ISIS and refugees are major mental anchors. Because they are a major world problems right now.

Pin them on Hillary and Obama. Because it is their fault.

Once they're in the right state of mind, then follow it up with the Russia stuff.

[–]hastyshaun -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mention that Trump is the only one proposing solutions to problems such as Radical Islamic Terrorism, illegal immigration or violence in the black community.

For the last 8 years, the US government has implemented Democrat/leftist policies that have done almost nothing to fix these problems... things like amnesty, anchor babies (which is rare outside the US) etc

[–]Youwokethewrongdog -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would imagine trump would be a hard sell for Ukrainian people, because of the whole "Russia invading and nobody helping" scenario.

Were I Ukrainian, trumps friendship with Putin would be a huge turnoff.