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Pushing Kids Into Transgenderism Is Medical Malpractice (thefederalist.com)

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[–]familyandeducation [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It really is a mental problem to honestly believe you are of the opposite sex. I'm a libertarian on this, so they can do whatever they want, but by no means should this be seen as normal or medically acceptable.

[–]PlasmaBurnz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

by no means should this be seen as normal or medically acceptable

That is to say that doctors shouldn't be forced to perform operations and others shouldn't be forced to go along with the charade. This is exactly what Massachusetts and California are doing.

[–]sjwking [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Exactly.

[–]EuropaClash [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Follow @jessesingal on twitter for some actually constructive debate on how the left has jumped the gun and made this the next battleground in the culture wars. The science is now saying things like ~80% (depending on the study) of kids who identify as Transgender "desist", or turn out just fine as adults. Meaning they're either gay, lesbian, or straight.

It's just bizarre to see people pretend that doing things like having your kid take puberty blockers won't have negative long term effects. It's insanity.

[–]sjwking [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Giving your kid hormone and hormone blockers is child abuse. Plain and simple

[–]deathsheep[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Forgive my ignorance, buy why is this a conservative issue?

[–]I_am_just_sayingLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

The general topic of transgenderism largely falls in the realm of social conservatism.

However, given the obvious cultural push to normalize and often celebrate transgenderism as a beautiful transformation from many of the left (and media) it's only a matter of time until the issue becomes the next political protected class stumping point.

There have already been a few actual political fights about governments forcing companies to have certain types of bathrooms, Ncaa and title 9 sports participation, and public K-12 schools teaching and encouraging gender fluidity on children.

It's very quickly transitioning from a niche social issue to a political one

Remember politics is downstream of culture.

[–]deathsheep[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Thanks for responding, can you clarify what the view of social conservatism is on people who are transgender? I'm afraid I also don't know what it means for politics to be downstream of culture.

[–]DeLuman [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

It means that when culture tells us something is "good" that there will soon be political will towards emphasizing it, either with laws, incentive programs or budgeting.

The conservative position is that gender = biology and that the country operates a little better when people go to bathrooms of those in their own gender. After that a conservative really doesn't care except to say that tax money shouldn't be going towards it, it's cosmetic surgery and the people should pay for that as much as they should pay for an woman to get a boob job.

Personally I don't care that much but as much as i do, I believe gender fluidity is either nonsense or a biological disorder that should be treated with therapy not with surgery.

[–]I_am_just_sayingLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The conservative position is that gender = biology and that the country operates a little better when people go to bathrooms of those in their own gender.

I just wanted to clarify that there are many conservatives out there (myself one of them) that believe that private companies and individuals should be allowed to set their own rules for their own bathrooms without government oversight.

[–]I_am_just_sayingLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Politically I am not a social conservative (even if I largely live my personal life similar to one) I am much more libertarian as long as you don't ask me to pay for it, treat you differently, effect me directly, or receive special treatment from the government for your choices, I, for the most part, don't care.

Personally I feel sorry for those who truly believe they are different than what is expressed in their DNA. It must be a horrible experience to have a mental disorder that says you are something you are not. I can't help but draw parallels to others whom I have known that suffered from bulimia and anorexia that so deeply believed they were something they were not and drastically harmed their own bodies because of a mental disorder. As a personal aside, I also think it's disgusting that many on the left have used a mental disorder as a stump to stand on to score political points and virtue signal, Going so far as to celebrate a mental disorder that claims a suicide rate of nearly 41% (18-20 times higher than the US rate) and forces those who suffer from it to amputate body parts, undergo multiple surgeries and take large amounts of drugs that will still only change the outward appearance as something like a beautiful transition deserving of awards and praise.

I can't clarify social conservatives who want the government to legislate on the federal level about transgenders since I do not share that belief.

The quote is from Andrew Breitbart, I encourage you to use the Internet to read up on the context of his statement and his political beliefs yourself and draw your own conclusions. There could be an entire college course on that statement alone.

[–]Publix_Deli [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Because "transgender rights" and normalizing transgenderism is the latest initiative for the cultural marxists that have taken over the Democratic Party.

[–]4242349948CMFAGT [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's funny in two ways. Every counterculture issue ends up being a socialistic issue. Second, how so many different ideologies end up in the democrat social umbrella. The unions conflict with the Green Party. Etc.

[–]TheAtomicOptionLibertarian [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The really hilarious part to me is the friction that pro-transgender ideas are having with pro-gay ideas.

[–]deathsheep[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

So you define conservatism as being in direct opposition to anything the democratic party does?

[–]Publix_Deli [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_conservatism.html

Conservatism (or conservativism) is any political philosophy that favours tradition (in the sense of various religious, cultural, or nationally-defined beliefs and customs) in the face of external forces for change, and is critical of proposals for radical social change.

I would say that the push to encourage children to embrace mental illness and seek disfiguring surgical and hormonal procedures as treatment is a pretty radical social change.

[–]deathsheep[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Thats fair and I can see how you would view this as a huge shift in traditional views on the subject. Can I ask how you feel about circumcision?

[–]Publix_Deli [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have mixed feelings on the subject. I was circumcised, but I'm not sure that I'd have the same thing done to my own son. At the same time, I don't hold any ill will towards my parents because it's obviously not on the same level of severity as something like a gender reassignment surgery.

[–]TheAtomicOptionLibertarian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why not? Anything that affects public policy can be a conservative issue, and leftists are certainly pushing a lot of stupid public policy changes around this issue.

[–]vindico1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Seems like common sense to me.

Liberals are fucked.

[–]chasmoffaith [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The idea behind a lot of the Health and Physical Education Curriculum is to teach kids they are not broken or weird. To teach others not to see people that are struggling with their identity as freaks.

[–]PlasmaBurnz [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That's entirely wrong headed. Raising the bar on what is considered broken is just lying to people and hurting people with other disorders. Your idea implies that there is something wrong with being broken. Instead we need to understand that we are all broken in different ways. A disorder shouldn't define someone's identity.

[–]chasmoffaith [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The idea is to normalize and define, that yes your going to meet a gay person someday. that the jokes your people make about "fags" and negative pop culture stereotypes should not be how kids see these people. And we're you saying that being gay is a disorder?