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[–]macismydog 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

These things are cyclical. 442 is a bit outdated today because most teams play with 3 men in midfield, either a 4231 or a 433.

More often than not a team playing 442 will struggle for control of the midfield against these formations, and it forces them to play very defensively.

There's also the matter of traditonal wingers not being as common. We don't have the players to play a 442 any more IMO. Martial / Mkhitaryan / Jesse / Memphis etc. would are more wide forwards / inverted wingers, and would struggle in a 442.

[–]TAMM0DI 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

With hard working midfielders 442 can still be viable. Leicester last year did very well with it.

[–]macismydog 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree - but you still need to be very very well drilled and the midfielders do have to be pretty mobile and hard working if they're playing against a 3 man midfield. I don't think Pogba would ever work in a 442, or it would be a waste of his ability at least.

Worth noting as well the atletico and Leicester both found their success by defending deep with 2 banks of 4 nearly every game, being extremely well organised, then bouncing on the counter attack with pacey forwards. I don't think our squad is suited to that at all, with Zlatan / Rooney / Pogba / Mata in the side.

I do actually miss the old days of 442, but I just don't think it's a good idea with our current squad.

[–]FootballRobbChicharito[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally forgot Leicester. Also, im surprised as to why Mourinho never uses 4-4-2. Isn't his football basically suited to playing a highly defensive, but quick and paced counter attacking from the wings?

[–]FootballRobbChicharito[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah thats a fair point. I guess in some teams with the right players it works though. Valencia and Young are perfect wide-midfielders for this formation though. But im afraid we are 3 years too late

[–]Magnehtic 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Leicester used the 442 last season with their counter attack style. United isn't really a counter attacking team while we have Zlatan up top with Mata out wide. Maybe if we play Rashford and Martial up top with Memphis/Mkhi out wide it could work.

[–]macismydog 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We definitely do have some players in the squad who could play 442, but it will never happen because IMO that would mean leaving out Ibra / Rooney / Mata and potentially Pogba (playing him in a 442 would be such a waste)

[–]Lersenheim 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

YES, i would love a 4-4-2! I think 4-2-3-1 is on it's way out a bit. At least the way we use it. It is to predictable. And now that we have players like Pogba, Morgan etc (players that runs a lot) the 4-4-2 can be deadly. We have good pace at the sides and a strikerpair of one BIG and one QUICK player.

To me, 4-4-2 would be the ideal formation. But i assume, Jose wouldn't play that way at all? Or has he ever done that?

[–]ManUChao7PogBack!!! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The last team I remember being close to 4-4-2 and dominating in Europe was Heynkes Bayern. When Kroos was injured his formation changed from 4-2-3-1 to 4-4-2 and played world class football. Martinez and Bastian partnership was genius move from Heynkes also when you have wide players like Robbery you don't need a CAM and you win everything even with mandzukic upfront😂

[–]MUFCOK -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

This could easily fit into part of my point on pampered players. 4-4-2 is a classic and the game seems to be based round fancy formations. 4-4-2, get stuck in, score goals. I remember when we would say "you score 3 and we'll score 4". We were all about the ruthlessness. Don't worry about how many the other have/will score, just go out and score more! 4-4-2 - Everyone needs to work hard, some of these other formations let players have freedom to do what they want and for some players lately it seems to be "i'll do fuck allcause i might get away with it"

[–]FootballRobbChicharito[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agree. To be honest I hate formations with a #10 role. For me the #10 role is the most outdated and takes away the fluidity of the buildup of team. Unless of course the players that are in that #10 role is Messi, De Bruyne or whatever. If not 4-4-2, 4-3-3 seems a much more balanced option both attacking and defending wise. Though in the end what do we know? These are all just silly numbers with dash between them. For all we know managers assign players into a certain area on the field and tell them to work their way around fluidly