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Christian fundamentalist schools ‘performed exorcisms on children and beat pupils in religious rituals’ (independent.co.uk)

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[–]MacLochaber#BrokenBritain 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you telling me a religious school performed religious rituals on their students!

[–]G96SaberBigoted Reactionary -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That damned Eucharist, celebrating the goodness of Jesus!

[–]MimesAreShitesocial democrat, fuck fptp 33ポイント34ポイント  (36子コメント)

Faith schools are an aberration in a secular society.

[–]StummpyTrump 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

Well this isn't a secular country.

[–]MimesAreShitesocial democrat, fuck fptp 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

Maybe not formally or structurally, but our society in one of the most secular-minded in the world. People here are very apathetic when it comes to religion.

[–]Manic_MinerDistributist 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not really, both France and China actually have secularism as a core state value. We do not.

[–]Jameslepable#NotAllPepes 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't think it's worth a revolution (or two) at this point.

[–]goodyguts 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a "do what you like" version of secularism and a "don't do it publically" version. States with a problem with religion opt for the second. France had historical problems with Catholics and China is communist so hates rival sources of authority. Therefore they constrict religion. Secular states like us go for equitable treatment.

[–]LordMondandoInsufferable drunk Scotio-welsh bastard. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And unless its a really far out presbytarian school in scotland. It ain't the state clergy doing this.

[–]littlefootzz 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think maybe it should be.

[–]creamyjoshyBring back the Romans [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And these are the consequences

[–]RhovarkJust here for the snarky comments. -2ポイント-1ポイント  (15子コメント)

lol no they're not. You just never hear about the good ones.

[–]MimesAreShitesocial democrat, fuck fptp 7ポイント8ポイント  (14子コメント)

i know most are good schools, i'm just against them on principle.

[–]SirSuicidal -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great logic here, lets make ourselves worse on principle.

[–]RDozzle3, -3.79 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pragmatism isn't the be all and end all

[–]ProBonoShillNeo-Distributist High Tory -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

England isn't a secular society. Please move to France with the rest of the degenerates.

[–]letmepostjune22Labour: I prefer their earlier work 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

More of these please theresea. Thanks!

[–]Manic_MinerDistributist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

These ACE schools have been an issue for quite some time. They derive from that peculiarly American strain of fundamentalism, which in turn has its roots in groups like the Mennonites and Anabaptists. CofE it ain't.

[–]Duke0fWellingtonUltra-Tory | Haven't the foggiest 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This article seems to be very over-hyped than the reality. However, baptists are baptists.

[–]VagueSomething 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

No one is surprised. Religion cannot even touch charity without tainting it. Though all schools used to teach in an uncivil manner including violence religious schools are by their nature designed to fill children's heads with their propaganda so why is it shocking they're taught the core religious beliefs that women are second class and sexuality is filth.

[–]YsoL8 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Generalise much?

[–]G96SaberBigoted Reactionary -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

No one is surprised. Religion cannot even touch charity without tainting it.

Mmm, uh huh, all those centuries of theological and philosophical debate in which Christianity has always been intently connected to charity... But still.

Though all schools used to teach in an uncivil manner including violence religious schools are by their nature designed to fill children's heads with their propaganda so why is it shocking they're taught the core religious beliefs that women are second class and sexuality is filth.

Uh huh.

My desire to riposte actually trailed off when I read that absolute nonsense in depth.

[–]VagueSomething 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is cute but there was absolutely no point commenting. Yes Christianity is deeply linked to charity but they have still done dodgy shit in the name of charity so your point is? Just remember how fucked up Mother Teresa was on certain views and certain behaviours, she had a warped view of things so for all the good she did she still did bad things.

[–]a-e-robson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Theresa May stated that she wants to create more selective schools and faith schools.

[–]SeyStoneResident Contrarian | Aristocratic Mixed Constitution -4ポイント-3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Teachers at Christian fundamentalist schools in Britain allegedly performed exorcisms on pupils, beat children in religious rituals and “groomed” girls for marriage, according to former students who say they have decided to speak out now after years of suffering in silence.

OK...

The former pupils contacted The Independent after reading our June report revealing that some of these schools still teach children that girls must submit to men, homosexuality is unnatural and that creationism is a fact. They said the article jolted their memories of their own experiences.

Oh wow lol.

Not surprising that this is coming from the Independent, they've really stepped up the anti-Christianity articles recently.

[–]NotSoBlue_Hobbesian Centrist[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

I actually know someone personally who went to an ACE school and has spoken out about it a few times.

This is him on the BBC website:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27681560

I wouldn't call the BBC "Anti-Christianity" for publishing this.

[–]SeyStoneResident Contrarian | Aristocratic Mixed Constitution 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Of the nine ACE schools inspected by Ofsted since the start of 2013, eight of them were rated either good or outstanding.

Clearly their claims aren't backed by the experts.

[–]NotSoBlue_Hobbesian Centrist[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Which claims?

[–]SeyStoneResident Contrarian | Aristocratic Mixed Constitution -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm making fun of your 'experts' meme re: Brexit.

[–]NotSoBlue_Hobbesian Centrist[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ahhh ;)

[–]blue_dicecultural marxist as a pejorative 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

The former pupils contacted The Independent after reading our June report revealing that some of these schools still teach children that girls must submit to men, homosexuality is unnatural and that creationism is a fact. They said the article jolted their memories of their own experiences.

Oh wow lol.

Did you actually have a comment?

[–]SeyStoneResident Contrarian | Aristocratic Mixed Constitution 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean, the unreliability of memory is pretty well reported. The fact that these people claim to have had their memories "jolted" by a bloody Independent article isn't very convincing to me either.

[–]blue_dicecultural marxist as a pejorative 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I suspect that the "jolted" comment was simply a simple justification for coming forward that avoids them taking blame for not coming forth sooner, rather than the exact truth. Quite often when you have these stories of people coming forward years after an event they are criticised for not speaking out beforehand. It's likely that the independent article just gave them an excuse to talk about it - they now knew someone would listen to their story.

[–]AxmeisterTraditionalist 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree that these places are ridiculous and shouldn't exist in British society. But the Independent doesn't need to embellish further nonsense into the whole story. Schools that would "beat pupils in religious rituals" was actually quite common a few decades ago, but back then it was known was corporal punishment, the only difference is that these schools make their children pray for forgiveness afterwards.

[–]gildredge -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree that these places are ridiculous and shouldn't exist in British society

Really? I though British society respected the right of parents to decide how to educate their children. (unlike a lot of continental Europe where attendance of government schools is a legal requirement)

[–]AxmeisterTraditionalist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

How exactly does one go from reading a criticism of how a school system operates to interpreting it as a criticism of a parents right to choose their child's education?

I agree with freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean I can't claim that some statements are ridiculous and shouldn't have been uttered in the first place.

[–]tellerhwBooooooooooooooooooo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Abolish/secularise all of them. Problem solved.

[–]highkingnm-4.75, -5.18 | Exiled Blairite. 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is what happens when you open a Satanist school next door [insert Rose emoji here because I am not on my phone] 🌹

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[–]highkingnm-4.75, -5.18 | Exiled Blairite. 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You darling, thank you.

[–]RhovarkJust here for the snarky comments. -2ポイント-1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Beating children is bad, and any school that practices it should be shut down and the relevant people prosecuted.

But let's not use this as a blunt instrument to bash all faith schools. The overwhelming majority aren't like this, and achieve better results than normal schools.

[–]NotSoBlue_Hobbesian Centrist[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

achieve better results than normal schools.

Because they select.

[–]Manic_MinerDistributist -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not based on academic achievement, they don't. They select based on religion, and the fact is that a religious family unit tends to provide the sort of stable family background that fosters educational achievement among children.

[–]NotSoBlue_Hobbesian Centrist[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not really. Its just that any kind of selection automatically weeds out the most chaotic families.

[–]Capsulets -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

any kind of selection automatically weeds out the most chaotic families

So religious people tend to have less chaotic families and better behaved children?

[–]NotSoBlue_Hobbesian Centrist[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

That doesn't follow. It's not just religious families that go to religiously selective schools.

[–]Capsulets 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can understand what you are saying, that the families least interested in their children's education won't bother with the hassle they have to go through to get their children into religious schools, but I don't think that is the ONLY reason they perform better. It is just the one difference that those opposed to faith schools cling to and like to point out, becuase it makes the better performance of these schools seem "unfair".

I think you are choosing to ignore all of the other differences that religious schools have in their approach to education, and the positive impact they have on results.

[–]NotSoBlue_Hobbesian Centrist[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure the approach matters, but if you didn't change anything else, and just made it arbitrarily selective, there would be an improvement.

[–]AJaume_2Very sure not a Briton 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

that the families least interested in their children's education

or that lack resources to look at where they can put their children. And "faith"-based schools can claim to refuse kids because of the religion of their parents, while in fact doing selection on other criteria.

[–]thatsbloodyawfulsome peoples political views cannot be expressed with so few let 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I could see the Independent bringing out some clickbait along the lines of "nationwide scandal as historical child beatings throughout schools uncovered", leading to an article on how kids got the slipper back in the day.

[–]gildredge -5ポイント-4ポイント  (15子コメント)

Lol at the independent's breathless outrage when it's done by Christians as opposed to their "shut up, it's their culture, bigot" response when it's Muslims.

[–]DemonEggySeditious Guttersnipe 18ポイント19ポイント  (13子コメント)

Lol at the usual lot in this sub brushing this off when it's done by Christians, as opposed to the "BASTARD MUSLIM CHILD ABUSERS!!" response when it's Muslims.

[–]jackcaboose-1.13, -2.41 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, that one guy is everyone on the sub.

[–]DemonEggySeditious Guttersnipe 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Several. There's several here trying to downplay this as much as possible.

[–]Capsulets -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

No one is brushing anything off, but most people recognize the difference between a tiny number of Accelerated Christian Education schools teaching nonsense to children, vs a very large number of mainstream Muslim schools teaching similar things. Surely you can understand the difference.

[–]DemonEggySeditious Guttersnipe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, they are both disgusting.

[–]waterswaters 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

When have they ever defended child beatings in Islamic schools?