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Hargreaves: "First it all was Moyes' fault. Now it's Louis van Gaal's fault. When will Manchester United take some responsibility?" (twitter.com)
UnitedFaxMachine が 7ヶ月前 投稿
[–]nikolai426José 166ポイント167ポイント168ポイント 7ヶ月前* (24子コメント)
Spot on. LvG is just a portion of the problem, felt that way for a while now... The board and Woodward need to open their eyes when they make fucking decisions, like whether having a DoF or not
[–]hpanandikarIbrahimovic 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Hargreaves is right. We should not go the same way as Liverpool did. We could not live with the shame. If we don't get a major title within the next two years, we will be considered a spent force and we won't be able to get big name signings anymore, no matter how much money we have.
The team restructuring should have started from 2011/12 but Sir Alex's genius helped hide the team's inherent weaknesses. Players with the same caliber as Ronaldo, Giggs, Vidic etc. should have been scouted from early on. This is obvious in hindsight, but the fact remains that apart from De Gea and maybe Martial and Mata our signings have performed well below expectations. Whether this is a problem with the players themselves, their coaching by the manager or the board's choice to sign them in the first place is an issue the club should introspect over. Mistakes have been made over the choice of players, the manager and the playing style, the handling of the youth academy. Now is time to learn from our mistakes and make United great again.
[–]mink_manMourinho 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 7ヶ月前 (20子コメント)
Who's job is it to motivate these players? Schneiderlin was one of the best midfielders in the PL last year.
[–]wharsmetoothpicson 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 7ヶ月前 (19子コメント)
If professional players can't motivate themselves then they don't deserve to be playing at the top level.
[–]BHButcherKing Eric 48ポイント49ポイント50ポイント 7ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
That's not how sports works.
[–]fakeplasticairbagKeane 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
It's not how anything works.
People work and perform better when management creates a working environment which is conductive to success through team building, direction, delegation, management, empowerment etc..
The way some people talk I don't understand why they think managers should exist at all.
Players will always work harder and more effectively under a manager who fosters an environment which encourages them to perform to the best of their abilities.
[–]caughtinthoughtRooney 110ポイント111ポイント112ポイント 7ヶ月前 (3子コメント)
As much as I'd like to agree, I can't. Even professionals need inspiration; it's the one thing the manager needs to provide above all else.
[–]daveorMartial 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 7ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
Exactly - professionals vary massively. Some have all the talent in the world but need their hands holding and motivating like Balotelli. Others are brilliant and motivate themselves like I'd imagine Scholes. Then some are not as talented but brilliant at motivating themselves - like Phil Neville.
Others are brilliant and motivate themselves like I'd imagine Scholes.
Even Scholes though needs playing in a team structure which utilises his talents, another facet of management.
Not only does LVG not motivate his players he also has them playing a type of football which is not conductive to success and uses players in roles which don't suit their skillset.
Even if you can get Juan Mata ultra motivated, he will never have the skillset to be effective consistently on the wing for example and neither will Rooney ever be suited to possession football.
[–]theatreofdreams21 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
I mean we've played well when our best players have actually been on the field. I don't think enough people are factoring in how badly injuries have hurt us this season.
[–]GotNoCredditFam 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 7ヶ月前 (3子コメント)
That's not the way it works, mate. Even your local Tesco has a manager and there's a reason for that.
[–]wharsmetoothpicson -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
Yeah but if your Tesco manager has to give you a pep talk before you stack every shelf or serve every single customer you're probably not going to last very long in Tesco
[–]Dynastydood 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
Alternatively, if you have a Tesco manager who never gives any kind of pep talks because he's preemptively decided that there's no possible way to motivate you (or anyone, for that matter), you might have the wrong manager. So when employee morale drops to an all time low, the manager deserves some of the blame.
This doesn't make him a bad manager, necessarily, but he might be better off working at a different store.
[–]wharsmetoothpicson 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Are we still talking about football? Look Van Gaal is shit, let's be clear about that and his days are numbered but you can count on one hand the number of players in our squad who show a bit of leadership and can be relied on in difficult circumstances. It's important to have an inspirational manager but you also have to have the players who are receptive to it or who can lift their own game when they're out there on the pitch. We don't have that at all and that won't change regardless of whether it's LVG, Mourinho or the Pope in charge.
[–]Marechal64 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Spoken just like the morons on this board who have no idea about football
[–]Smaggies 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (5子コメント)
This is what Fergie said at half time in 99 isn't it?
[–]wharsmetoothpicson 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (4子コメント)
Nope, more like what he said before a Spurs game. There are moments when it's necessary for inspIrational speeches, but if Utd players can't take it upon themselves to go out & at least show a bit of fight or desire against the likes of Sunderland or Midjylland then they're at the wrong club.
[–]Smaggies 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7ヶ月前 (3子コメント)
Anybody working in an uncertain and uncoordinated environment is going to have trouble motivating themselves. Fergie didn't have to motivate the team against Spurs because they were a cohesive unit playing in form. They were already motivated. It's a silly comparison to make.
If one or two players are unmotivated they should be gotten rid of. If almost an entire team is unmotivated the manager should be gotten rid of.
[–]wharsmetoothpicson 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
The manager should be gotten rid of but we're still left with the poorest team I've seen here in 30 years
[–]Smaggies 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Well I'll agree with you there, mate.
[–]HeTalksToComputersDe Gea -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
I have two words for you: Djemba. Djemba.
Still, the level of competition is higher now.
[+]abient0t スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 7ヶ月前* (0子コメント)
I 100% agree with this.
I know things are bad and the tactics are boring etc. But what about the match going fans? They are there supporting you every day. What about the millions around the world that stay up at odd hours to watch you play (which btw, is one of the main reasons you get paid to play for man utd).
Any excuses to the contrary ring hollow, especially when you get beat the way we did ; against a team with no reputation at all.
Edit: What's with the downvoting? Atleast tell me what you disagree with if you are down voting.
[+]Fenbob スコアが基準値未満のコメント-33ポイント-32ポイント-31ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
this.
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[–]sylheti27Schneiderlin 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Do you know which clubs have a DOF and where it has worked? I think its more important having better scouts and coaches to develop them.
[–]SmileRifle 144ポイント145ポイント146ポイント 7ヶ月前 (8子コメント)
Nah, not this one- that's too easy. Van Gaal has to take responsibility. It's as simple as that. Moyes left us in a state, people argue he inherited a spent team, some might point to Gill leaving- whatever, fact remains, he got the sack and Van Gaal came in and we gave him three years to make us feared again. In his first season he got us Champions League, he settled our back four somewhat (remember us under Moyes?) He's had his share of transfer windows, seen plenty of players come and go- to the point, he's had time to build and coach his team... Ah, and implement the 'philosophy'.
Now we are seeing the product of just that. Millions upon millions spent, and we're just about getting by picking an average 11. Blind at center half, by no means poor- but this is United, built on Rio's/Vidic's/Stam's/Pallister's/Bruce's, it just isn't working, if not for Blind's playing ability, it's the personality we're missing, the mentioned players wouldn't fucking stand for these performances, they wouldn't let that shit leave the training ground. That is an example of one player- but you can go on through our squad, forget for a second playing-ability, because some of these lads are good players- but Darmian, ABJ, Love?- remember Evra? Neville? Rafael? Heinze!? You always felt these lads hated losing, despised it even. I feel as if our latest crop are just 'content', happy to take their wage and hope for a scored-draw for a living (if we're that lucky). Not to be unfair to our youth, but they're supposed to be learning their trade, not being thrust into boots they don't fit- they're just not United worthy, at least not yet. Mata, Herrera, Felli, Morgan, I've seen a lot of class from some of these players, but again, where is the grit? It seems as if these players, as good as they are, aren't feeling it together, it's as if we don't want to play football for fear of having to fight. I'm pointing to individuals here, but really I'm trying to discuss the pack-mentality of our squad, it's timid, we're crying out for a leader. Smalling tries, Rooney has never been it- not for me, and neither is Carrick. Our manager, Van Gaal, is from where it trickles.
When LVG was first appointed, I thought I was looking at an absolute general, with the same attributes Sir Alex had; instilling self-belief and discipline, an authority to remind our stellar players they're here to play for the shirt, to make us expressive again, make us winners. All I see now is a spent man. A finished man, dare I say a weak man. He sits in his chair, looking lost. It makes my fucking blood boil when he writes God knows what in his fucking booklet, McNair misplaces a pass- he writes something down- go and instruct the lad on the fucking pitch, INSPIRE him, and so it goes.
I'd love to get inside Giggs' head, what does he really think? These displays must make him feel sick. People say we suffered at times under Sir Alex, but we always had the personalities on the pitch to inevitably dig us out of the shit again. I see nothing out there now.
[–]amagneto 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 7ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
Wow, couldn't agree more with everything you said. The team look lifeless, the fans are sick to death and the manager looks broken. Unfortunately it's time for a change in leadership.
[–]SonofIndiaVan Persie 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
and as sad as that is, there wouldn't be any.
you know what was the saddest part of today's lost- I wasn't even surprised! :S
[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
The assistant manager isn't impressing me much either.
[–]AlexDerLionScholes 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 7ヶ月前* (1子コメント)
Thanks for taking your time to write this. You make very agreeable points. Used to be a time when I'd love it when we were a goal down: it meant they'd awoken a beast and you could bet we'd be savage in those last ten minutes, relentless even. Your Giggs', Scholes, Ronaldo, Keane, and all the back room staff would be fuming if the team want performing.
We don't have that driving midfielder, though I think Herrara could be trained that way, very intelligent player, who can just push the ball forward. Carrick, Morgan, fellaini, none of them have a voice to yell "what the fuck was that!?" A miss placed pass happens now and no one bats an eye. You should have a Keane grabbing your collar and roughin' you up
[–]BallsX 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Used to be a time when I'd love it when we were a goal down:
I wouldn't say I loved it when we went a goal down, but I knew exactly what was going to happen. I knew it was going to be an exciting fucking bombardment forward. Whether we scored or not wasnt really the concern, you just knew the players were going to do all they can to avoid seeing the manager after the game if they didn't try their best to not give the opponents a chance to catch their breath.
Now we can't even HOLD ON to the ball, let alone attack.
[–]allyallmfersneed___ 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
It has been shocking just how far he has declined in the time that he has been here. It also tells me that the problems we have are far larger than a manager. We have no idea what he has to deal with in Woodward or the board and at this point wonder what needs to change for us to be successful.
[–]kingkreep95Rooney 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Honestly its the apathy that I despise most from this team. We were so used to the never-say-die winning attitude from Ferguson, and this reflected in the players who played for him. Our current crop is spineless to be completely honest. I agree they seem content with the wages they are getting
[–]BallsX 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
All I see now is a spent man. A finished man, dare I say a weak man. He sits in his chair, looking lost.
I really cannot agree more with this. When it was confirmed that he was going to be our new manager, I was ecstatic! It seemed like he was the closest we could get, personality-wise, to SAF. And he even had the titles to back it up, albeit mostly a good 15-20 years ago.
Over the course of the past year and a half, he just looks like this lost and clueless old man. Just sitting there jotting down god knows what, just refusing to budge from his seat regardless of the state of the game we're in. I mean, at least pretend to show some interest if anything!
As the days and weeks go by, its becoming clear through both his words and body language that he has given up or hasn't got a clue how to get the team out of this shit spiral.
[–]Old_man_Trafford 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 7ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
First it was all Hargreaves fault getting hurt all time.
[–]PhoenixAlex 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
lol....I Liked him a lot ...he wud have been the perfect midfielder...such a shame his career
[–]ra2eW8je 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 7ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
Kudos to Woodward for that noodle deal though.
[–]georgie_bestMemphis 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
when do we get our noodles? are they gonna mail me them directly? i'll be devastated if it turns out i'm not actually getting noodles after all this
[–]fjpeaceManchester United 42ポイント43ポイント44ポイント 7ヶ月前* (5子コメント)
We have a bunch of spineless players, gone are the days when men like Roy Keane played the game Instead we have a bunch of boys who are afraid of getting hurt in a 50/50 and just wallow in self pity
[–]pmiller17Karl Pilkington 79ポイント80ポイント81ポイント 7ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
then there's Phil Jones, who isn't afraid, but then gets hurt
[–]wdtpw 51ポイント52ポイント53ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Rooney too, to be fair.
[–]ZamalekUnited 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
This sounds exactly like Arsenals dilemma trying to find a replacement for Vierra.
[–]TiggarenstalGeorge Best 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Don't get me wrong, the players is to blame also. But not so much as some would like I think. The manager is the person who needs to bring the best out of it's players. Use the best tactics who suits the players he got etc.
Look at Leicester. As a team they are great. To be honest how many of them are players who would be in XI at a top club? Vardy and Mahrez? Who else...
Remember when we beat Arsenal 8-2. Remember the XI?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/29/1409309226681_Image_galleryImage_CPMMJR_Football_pitch_pla.JPG
That XI beat Arsenal 8-2! Anderson, Cleverley, Nani and Young. That's how a great manager works. Bring the best out of his players, are a tactical genius.
I don't think even if we had Neymar and Bale in our squad we would be any better. Because LvG tactic and view of football doesn't allow any individuell brilliance, it dosen't bring out the best out of players.
[–]rdv7 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Spoken like a true sunday league coach.
[–]edmontom 45ポイント46ポイント47ポイント 7ヶ月前 (35子コメント)
So it's not Van Gaal's fault? The board should train the players?
[–]PM_Me_Your_StarBurnsBlind 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 7ヶ月前 (34子コメント)
In the show on BT he said it is their responsibility to bring in good enough players for United and they haven't done that. Both managers wanted better players and didn't get them. He said he was here with Ronaldo, tevez, Scholes, etc and we don't have anyone of that calibre. I think if I remember rightly he also said something about how we should have better academy.
[–]TaeTaeDSDiMarzio 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 7ヶ月前 (28子コメント)
Bullshit we've got some great players. Not Man City level yet but we have the signs of a good squad.
[–]Dmcnich15Van Nistelrooy 39ポイント40ポイント41ポイント 7ヶ月前 (26子コメント)
We have exactly 2 players that even have a shot of getting into the best teams starting 11. That's not good enough
[–]Shrimpeh007Rooney 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 7ヶ月前 (18子コメント)
So our players aren't good enough to beat Sunderland or midget land? Of course they are
[–]EricKingCantonaFellaini 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 7ヶ月前 (13子コメント)
I don't give a fuck who is on the pitch. Manchester United does not lose to a Danish side that hasn't played together in 2 months.
We have 1 player that would get into the Barca side and now he's injured.
5 years ago, we would have at least 4 that would make the current Barca XI.
[–]Pavrik_Yzerstrom 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (3子コメント)
Who are the 4 you are referring to?
Probably our defensive players because no way can anyone top what Barca have in attack. The likes of Rio, Vidic, VDS.
[–]EricKingCantonaFellaini 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 7ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
Ronaldo, Vidic, Evra, Scholes, Giggs, Burbatov, Tevez, RvP (later on)
Obviously not all at once, but fucking hell what a team that would have been.
[–]Pavrik_Yzerstrom 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Only Ronaldo and Vidic would have made the Barcelona team 5 years ago. Ronaldo wasn't even on United 5 years ago, nor was RVP
[–]Hiephoohallo 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
That one player being our goalkeeper
[–]LaPaz_o_Sucre 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (7子コメント)
Are you referring to De Gea with the player who would get into the Barca side?
[–]EricKingCantonaFellaini 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 7ヶ月前 (6子コメント)
Erm...yes.
[–]LaPaz_o_Sucre 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 7ヶ月前 (5子コメント)
Alright, for a second I thought you were talking about Rooney haha
[–]BallsX 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 7ヶ月前 (4子コメント)
I know he has been slightly better of late, and of course he gets injured but the Rooney of the past 1 and a half years would struggle to even get in Evertons side.
[–]Dmcnich15Van Nistelrooy 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
I'm not talking about this week. Lvg has been awful but my point and Hargreaves point is lvg isn't the only problem. Our squad isn't good enough
[–]wasabicoatedSchweinsteiger 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Is Leicester's quad good enough? Several of them were dumped by MU alone.
[–]DoctorWitten 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
And how do you expect us to fix that? sign the likes of Bale? Neymar? Ronaldo? Ramos? Those were never realistic options after SAF left.
SAF's Utd were built around either the class of '92 or young prospects from the transfer market. The likes of Rooney, Ronaldo, Vidic, and Evra only became world class after they joined united and developed under the club's coaches. Other than perhaps RvP and maybe Hargreaves, i can't think of a great player that we signed that was from the starting 11 of a top European team. Even the likes of Rio and Tevez came from a smaller club (West Ham).
In fact there's a good argument to make that we've been more active in the transfer market since SAF has left. signing players like Mata and ADM from big clubs, in addition to all the young prospects like Martial, Memphis, and Shaw.
There's no lack of talent coming into United, the problem is how we utilize the talent once they get here.
They're talented enough but they have the mental strength of a snowflake. Worst Utd team in 30 years by a long way.
[–]fakeplasticairbagKeane 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
We still have a way better side than Midgetland.
[–]TaeTaeDSDiMarzio 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 7ヶ月前 (5子コメント)
Who are those? Cmon we played shit and lost and yes lost 2 games on the trot but all this sub does recently is wallow in self pity and it doesn't help. We do have some potentially very good players playing in a very shit, boring system, where football is not fun to play. That doesn't help these players play their best.
[–]AMAaboutAMemphis 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
The thing most people including me are fed up about is that it's not unlikely anymore to lose two on the trot, or at least the team not showing more fight in the second game. The games are still boring and even with as many injuries we still should be sweeping midget land aside.
LvG just can't bring the best out of the players and I don't believe he ever will.
[–]Dmcnich15Van Nistelrooy 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 7ヶ月前* (3子コメント)
My point was I don't think we have potentially very good players. Martial and De Gea are the only 2 who have a chance of playing at Barca or Bayern or Real Madrid or frankly city.
Lvg has been shit but I think we have a bigger problem. Memphis is the only other one who is potentially world class
EDIT: Forgot about Shaw, he could be the best of the lot
[–]Polar_Bear_CuddlesEvra -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
With Madrid, Barca and Bayern yea I agree, City no way Shaw, Martial, De Gea, Smalling, Schneiderlin and Darmian (depends if he adjusts on change of manager back to his Serie A and international form)
[–]burlycabinShaw -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Honestly, I think you have to give Morgan and Smalling a shout as well. Maybe not each of those squads, but they would be great pieces for almost any club in Europe.
Would love to see Morgan in the middle of a competent midfield. Smalling as well with a quality partner (not to knock Blind, but he's not a CB). I think Smalling and another class CB would own the league.
I also agree that Memphis has the potential to be class, but he really needs to develop. I don't think he's getting the chance to develop here. He has passion, but doesn't seem to know how to channel it right. He needs a leader to help him direct his emotions. He also isn't ready to be relied on. He needs to be on a front line that can carry the attack and that he can learn from.
[+]TaeTaeDSDiMarzio スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Schneiderlin and Smalling and Shaw and Darmian are all potentially world class players.
[–]JustinC00 -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 7ヶ月前* (3子コメント)
That's hilarious coming from that cunt..
Ronaldo was brought in for 12m and had developed before Hargreaves came. Scholes was class of '92 and Tevez was a cheap loan deal..
Well we already got the Ronaldo like youngster in Martial. We had Scholes replacement in Paul Pogba and instead of giving him games Ferguson brought Scholes out of retirement, and if you can find me a player on Tevez's level that would come here for a fee under 15m sign me up
[–]Hiephoohallo 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
If we hadn't let pogba go we would be in much better shape
[–]JustOlsenRonaldo 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
If we had so much hindsight we'd be in much better shape as well.
[–]Polar_Bear_CuddlesEvra 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
You can't say use Tevez and Ronaldos prices as examples. Players cost a lot more now due to the inflation of prices from City, PSG, Barca, Madrid etc
[–]DoctorWitten -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
We've brought in more than enough talent to at least make it to the top 4.
Who do they expect us to have signed? Ramos? Bale? Neymar? Ronaldo? let's be realistic and admit we never had a good shot at landing those targets.
SAF's teams were largely built around either the class of '92 or young prospects from the transfer market. Players like Rooney, Ronaldo, Vidic, and Evra weren't the best in the world when we bought them, but the club thought they had a lot of potential and SAF got them reaching their best. That's why we bought the likes of Martial, Memphis, and Shaw.
And they brought in ADM who was a polished world class talent but he wasn't a fit with LVG. So no one can say there''s been a lack of talented buys, because we've brought in plenty of quality and talent. certainly more than enough to consistently be in the top 4 and challenging for a title by now.
[–]SparksVHerrera 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
As much as I don't like Hargreaves, he's right. Players need to take the blame too for what is happening. And more importantly the need to show on the pitch why they play for the club.
[–]Chavril 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 7ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
Not a single player on this team outside of De Gea would start on Real Madric, Barcelona or Bayern.
[–]Trickybuz93Schweinsteiger 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
De Gea wouldn't start at Bayern unless Neuer was injured.
[–]DangoManUtdJose Mourinho 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 7ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
Wish Mata would fucking stop blogging and not disappear on the pitch as much
[–]DelTrottervan Nistelrooy 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7ヶ月前* (2子コメント)
SAF hand picked Moyes. Feel like that's been forgotten ever since his latest book where he tried to distance himself from the Moyes failure by labeling him 7th choice.
LVG was not expected to do so poorly. He ticked almost all the boxes required from a high profile manager.
The first mistake was letting SAF appoint his mate as a successor, clearly lost his marbles with that choice. Amazing he gets off Scot-free for that and the Deadwood squad he left us.
With LVG, in hindsight it's another fail, but this one we all thought was proven and would do well for us. In the end he's a lazy oaf who sits afk on the bench.
[–]Minz15 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
In pretty sure sir Alex came out and said moyes wasn't first choice. Mourinho had an agreement with Chelsea, klopp signed a new contract, ancelotti was going to replace mourinho and guardiola never got in touch with United after they tried so Moyes was the only one left. Whether he said that to cover his tracks is unclear but it was terrible to let Evra Rio and Vidic to go at the same time. As well as Gill. So we were screwed from the start
[–]DelTrottervan Nistelrooy 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
There should still have been many options between those names and Moyes.
[–]Willszz1De Gea 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 7ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
What's that meant to even mean?
[–]BertrandRusJose Mourinho 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
he's talking about the board I think
[–]jumping28 -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
confusion
[–]Jakabov 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 7ヶ月前* (0子コメント)
What responsibility, though? What can "Manchester United" be doing that causes almost every player at the club to play truly shit football? What is it that the club, irrespective of the manager and his own coaching staff, is supposedly doing wrong? Is Bobby Charlton pissing in the coffee? Is Avram Glazer leaving anonymous demotivational notes in the lounge, crushing player spirits?
Lots of people are eager to claim that it isn't just the manager, but I have yet to see anyone suggest what else it could possibly be. I can't even imagine what it might be that the board could conceivably be doing that caused all the players to become crap. I couldn't even come up with hypothetical examples of what anyone could do to accomplish this, aside from managing and coaching them poorly.
Nearly every player is playing below his level. They're not crap players. The squad has its shortcomings in places, but they're alright players on the whole. Certainly far better than what they've shown in the last year. We do need to strengthen, but the current situation does not stem from the players simply being this bad. That's self-evidently not the case. For most of these players, this is the worst they've ever been in their careers. This isn't their level.
So, what the fuck is it that Hargreaves, and the countless other "it's not the manager's fault" parrots, thinks is the reason? They never say.
[–]dino8237David Beckham 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Blame the Glazers
[–]tronicsss 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
This coming from someone that's always given us stick, no matter the performance says a lot, but thank god there's some common sense out there
[–]TheFormidableGiantRooney 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
What the fuck does this even mean
[–]Trickybuz93Schweinsteiger 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
It's true. The players played like shit today. Granted there were a ton of injuries, but I can't blame Van Gaal for today's result.
[–]S_Phantom 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
I've been a fan of Man Utd since Eric Cantona joined the team. He is my favorite United player of all time and the reason why I started supporting this club. This is the worst football I have ever seen a united team has played since I've become supporter. LVG is not the answer and this team is going nowhere. I understand the hesitant of fans to appoint Mourinho, but Ferguson ain't walking thru that door again. The football world is change and SAF was just a special manager who stayed at the same club for over 20 years and something like that will not be replicated unfortunately. Why not give Mourinho a chance to bring this club where it needs to be. Obviously the lifers, Giggs, Neville, etc. are not ready to run this club yet. Give Mourinho the keys and if he leaves, then maybe after enough experience, one of the United boys can take over. I don't know, but why not give Mourinho a chance? I know he's not part of the United way, but will we ever be the United way again after SAF left?
[–]daveorMartial 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
It's an easy thing to say, the situation isn't black and white. Moyes was clearly out his depth - his squad was comfortably good enough for top 4 but he played predictable tactics again and again. LVG has the experience but again his tactics are predictable and limit the potential of several members of the team. It's the managers fault the team aren't performing - but the clubs fault we haven't changed managers (no guarantee that would fix anything if the right man isn't available).
[–]EddieMcDowallBuchan 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Of course 'the management' (all of them, Glazers down) have to take a lot of the blame and LvG has to take the lions portion of that.
What I really feel we miss right now is a Roy Keane on the pitch (player not the fuckwit dopelganger that's taken over since he left us). A downright in yer face total cunt! You fuck up he's gonna kick your ass all the way to the Ship Canal, and that's if your on our side! Everyone now just seems so damn timid. This is supposed to be football, not bloody tiddlywinks!
[–]RiemsMUFC 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
The players look like they're not playing for the manager, very similar to how Chelsea looked under Mou this season.
I mean Juan Mata was absolutely atrocious yesterday. Same with Herrera
[–]craigybachaManchester United 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Should be edited to 'when will Woodward take some responsibility'
[–]shihvvbPogba 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Yeah alot of the players have been playing shit and haven't hit good form at all
[–]WszystkoZajete20 times, 20 times Man United! 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
He's fucked in the head as much as he's fucked in the knees but he's spot on this time.
[–]Fenbob 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (3子コメント)
Said it for the past couple years. our whole team is shit. it's full of injuries too which is making everything worse.
We've got a couple of good signings lately, but one or two good signings isn't going to make our team great again. To be expected this and last season with place in PL. we can't exactly go out and buy a new starting 11 in one transfer window.
LVG needs to go. And we need to bring in a lot of players. Especially before they even think about offloading everyone again before we've filled in what we need for adequate squad depth. (Big mistake last summer)
[–]localmodethere's only one Kean-Oh 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
Offloading who was a mistake? Rvp can't get into the starting 11 in Turkey, nani hasn't scored in forever. Hernandez is playing in a team that favors his style of wing play. That fucker dimaria used us as a PSG transit. Falcao is a joke.
You're insinuating LVG off loaded players before they were replaced - name me one player who's not past his prime?
[–]Fenbob 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 7ヶ月前* (1子コメント)
Javier Hernàndez, Jonny Evans, Wilfred Zaha, Rafeal. for the summer just gone. There is a few more, which you've named yourself.
You make it sound like we're too good for these players currently. We're not.
We have no speed in any of our "main" 11 other than martial and lindegard, we have no defence because of the injuries.
if we want to make a change halfway through the game and replace a tired or (god forbid) injured martial, who do we bring on?
Oh, Nani has scored 8 goals this season, and RVP 13. If you're talking about goals that is. I'll let you google our team for goals scored, if you're quite unsure yourself.
Inb4 you mention the turkish league is trash. We just had 3 shots on goal against Midtylland who are currently 3rd in the Danish league.
[–]sylheti27Schneiderlin 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
I think offloading them wasn't a mistake. We did have to dramatically rebuild the squad. Those same players didn't set the world on fire during their last days with us.
The biggest mistake was not bringing in enough players. Instead of wasting time on Ramos, Neymar or Mueller...we should have gotten players who would atleast be proven in England.
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[–]KakeruAizawa -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 7ヶ月前 (7子コメント)
Who cares? He met his expiry date as a manager and I have no sympathy for what he did to our club.
[–]localmodethere's only one Kean-Oh 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7ヶ月前 (6子コメント)
What he did to our club...what do you do for our club? I support my club through thick and thin, not just when they win the treble.
[–]KakeruAizawa -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 7ヶ月前 (5子コメント)
That doesn't stop me from calling out things when they go wrong; that's my prime duty as a fan and as someone who believe in fucking democracy in all its forms. I don't wear red-tinted glasses and I don't need any when I support the club. So keep that so-called Top Red mentality where the sun doesn't shine.
[–]localmodethere's only one Kean-Oh 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (4子コメント)
You're prime duty as a fan is to support your club, regardless if they're relegated or winning a treble. For you to only support them when they win, and call for a managers sacking because they're losing proves you're a plastic glory hunter. Fuck off to Leicester, we don't need your like here.
I'm not overjoyed w United this year, bt I remember clearly what fergie said It's your job to support your manager. And by God I will, even if that get us relegated. Because this is my fucking club
[–]KakeruAizawa -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (3子コメント)
I will tell you what true fans do when things go wrong: go right at the source of the problem. I saw what the Aston Villa supporters did at Wycombe, and I saw more passion there from people who love their club than anyone involved with United has shown since the debacle started with Moyes. If I had time and money to make the travel to Manchester, I would gather enough people who would do what those Villa fans did. Van Gaal and Wodward would be prime targets, and deservedly so.
Get on with the 21st Century and accept that there won't be another Fergie. This is what I'm willing to accept in order to maintain high standards of performance. No one is bigger than the club, not even the manager, not the CEO, no one. This is also something I learned from Fergie, and I swear that I will not let any subpar manager using that as an excuse to protect his ass.
[–]localmodethere's only one Kean-Oh 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7ヶ月前* (2子コメント)
Brother, All the time and money in the world and you'd still be plastic. Try supporting a team that's been relegated and then you'll realize sitting 5th with the young, average squad my club has, is a miracle in itself .
That, is the source of United s misery : a young, inexperienced and average squad. Not the manager.We don't have a world class tevez Ronaldo Berba saha or nistelrooy finishing half chances. One day we will, or heck -might be these kids next year. Till then, you grow up.
[–]KakeruAizawa -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 7ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
Keep babbling, grandpa.
[–]localmodethere's only one Kean-Oh 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Original and classy, what a surprise.
[–]Jeremy11 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Fuck off back to city Hargreaves
[–]XixiiKing Eric -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
It's up to the manager to get the best out of the players, and I don't believe we're seeing the best out of this lot. They look devoid of confidence and zombie-like. Leicester are top of the league with an overall worse squad than us. Do you think Mahrez would be the best player in the league this season if he played for us? He'd be stunted and shit just like everyone else. Unless Hargreave's is seriously suggesting that the way these guys play is as good as they actually are.
[–]Melanjoly -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 7ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
It's clearly Van Gaal's fault, we are so mismanaged it's sickening. It's not even a matter of opinion anymore, If you aren't seeing it you either don't watch united or don't understand the game.
[–]MullerReusIt's hard to believe it's not Scholes! -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
You have just put 100% of the blame on the manager, I think you don't understand the game to be honest.
[–]El_Giganto -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 7ヶ月前 (2子コメント)
Everyone was replaced. Who do you blame? The new guys. Who brought these new guys? Van Gaal. Who is the manager? Van Gaal. I love Van Gaal, but statements like this... I'll defend him, but comments like these just make it harder.
[–]localmodethere's only one Kean-Oh -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 7ヶ月前 (1子コメント)
These new guys are under the age of 21, playing in a new league and a language that isn't their native tongue. Apart from depay, every single one of lvgs recruits this year have exceeded expectation
[–]El_Giganto 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Darmian, Herrera, Schweinsteiger, Di Maria, Falcao, Schneiderlin... Blind
[–]lecoqdezellwillerCantona -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 7ヶ月前 (0子コメント)
Hargreaves sounds like one of the emotional fans on here. He knows as much as we know about how the club operates.
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