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[–]flaccidcompanion 103ポイント104ポイント  (99子コメント)

This is the same argument that people use against Muslims. And since people aren't M&M's or skittles, it's a pretty shit argument.

[–]arcticdrift 63ポイント64ポイント  (13子コメント)

While I agree with you, I think the difference here is that very few women are advocating for completely avoiding men, while many the people who use this for Muslims want to ban immigration etc

[–]Ser_Rodrick_Cassel 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

in this case how is this argument a relevant response to "not all men" comments?

[–]pamplemoussmy favorite little jewy this side of st. louis 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because it's the difference between "sometimes I am uncomfortable around men" and "let's ban Muslims from entering the country."

ALSO, statistics go more against men (of all sorts) than Muslims when it comes to violent crime.

AND prejudice against Muslims, who are a minority in America and most of Europe, actively harms Muslims, while masculinity itself does MUCH more damage to men (overall) than even the most man-hating woman.

[–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 34ポイント35ポイント  (76子コメント)

The difference is the actual statistics involved. For the Syrian refugee analogy, the pool is made up of 10.8 billion Skittles...and three are poison.

Meanwhile, there are (on average) 288,820 acts of sexual violence committed every year in America, mostly by men.

I know which odds I'd prefer.

[–]Kotomikun 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ironically, a lot more than three refugees have gotten in trouble for harassing (or worse) women, among other things. Meanwhile, there are about 150 million men in the U.S., so by those numbers 1 in 500 is a potential rapist, and if you assume they each did it once over a 50-year timespan you could get it down to 1 in 10. But that wouldn't be the right assumptions to make. It's ~300,000 victims, not perpetrators; and most sex criminals victimize a whole lot of people, over most of their life, and often without even realizing it, because our sex ed and justice system are just that terrible.

I'm not saying it's not a huge problem, because 300,000 is an absurd number of people. But even if it is 1 in 10, the highest it could conceivably be, that means 135 million men in the U.S. will never commit sexual assault, and it's not their fault that the remaining 15 million are horrible douchebags. "Not all men" doesn't do anything to solve the problem, but you can't blame people for not wanting to be stereotyped. And acting like there's no real difference between (much less than) 10% and 100%, because all women--no, wait, 1 in 6, which is ridiculously high but nowhere near 6 in 6--are victims ("#YesAllWomen"), doesn't improve the situation, either.

When no one really knows how to solve a problem, everyone blames everyone else. There's some truth to the claim that if non-awful men were more critical of inappropriate behavior, this would be less of a problem; but it's not a magic cure-all, and rape has been a problem since forever so it's not fair to make it sound like individuals currently alive who haven't done anything are partly at fault for not doing anything (I'm not claiming you're saying that, but I've seen that thrown around many times, and it makes about as much sense as blaming women for dressing provocatively). Let's just try to remember that other people aren't cogs in a machine. (And sorry for the excessive novel of a reply...)

[–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

The Skittles thing is talking about terror attacks. Also, most men who commit rape aren't serial rapists, though they're often serial criminals.

The point of the men/women analogy, as I mentioned elsewhere, is to illustrate why women are cagey around dudes we don't know. It's literally not personal - it's just that the problem is widespread enough to be a systemic one.

Edit: Forgot to include the link re: serial rapists.

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERKvictim of mod misandry <3 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Your link doesn't say what you assert, and RAINN says otherwise here, too:

three percent of college men are responsible for more than 90% of rapes. Other studies suggest that between 3-7% of college men have committed an act of sexual violence or would consider doing so. It is this relatively small percentage of the population, which has proven itself immune to years of prevention messages

[–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's for college campus assaults. It states elsewhere:

Perpetrators of rape are often serial criminals.

Out of every 1,000 suspected rape perpetrators referred to prosecutors:

    370 have at least one prior felony conviction, including 100 who have 5 or more

    520 will be released—either because they posted bail or for other reasons—while awaiting trial

    70 of the released perpetrators will be arrested for committing another crime before their case is decided

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERKvictim of mod misandry <3 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

that still doesn't support your point

most men who commit rape aren't serial rapists

which is mostly what I took issue with, because I don't believe it's true.

[–]CompleteShutIn 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

billion

Did you mean to say million?

[–]Oxus007 6ポイント7ポイント  (36子コメント)

So are you saying the argument is a good one when it comes to men?

[–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 5ポイント6ポイント  (35子コメント)

Yes. It's meant to illustrate why women are cagey around men we don't know - they might be a perfectly good dude, but sexual assault and rape is a such a widespread phenomenon that we're not gonna roll those dice.

[–]Oxus007 12ポイント13ポイント  (25子コメント)

There's 152million men in America. Let's cut that in half and say 75million in the correct age range for dating. With 288k instances of assault that's - minuscule %. Not to mention of those 288k, many are done by repeat offenders and some are done by women. The Skittles comparison is completely ridiculous, and used against any other demographic, would be considered abhorrent.

[–]CompleteShutIn 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, that's about 0.4% or 1 in 250, assuming every assault was committed by a man and each assaulter only did so once. E: and only 'dating age' men commit assaults. Looking at all, it's 1 in 500.

[–]arandomusertoo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

and each assaulter only did so once.

Doesn't research/statistics say that its usually serial in nature, and rarely a one time assault?

[–]CompleteShutIn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think so. I was just putting what /u/Oxus007 said into a simple percentage.

[–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Whatever, dude. I'm not gonna stop walking to my car with my keys in my fist because it hurts your fee-fees.

[–]thiaminlawd 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha.

Get presented with statistics. "errmm, urmmmm... fuck you!"

Classic

[–]Oxus007 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol. Yep that's what I said.

[–]Sabuleon -1ポイント0ポイント  (18子コメント)

Why are you cutting down your statistics by dating age?

It doesn't matter whether the person is of dating age or not. There are sex offenders of all ages in the world.

[–]Oxus007 2ポイント3ポイント  (17子コメント)

I was trying to be the most generous. If I don't cut it down by dating age, the percentage is significantly less, and supports my point even better.

[–]Sabuleon -2ポイント-1ポイント  (16子コメント)

Therefore, why downvote what I just said?

Kind of calls bullshit on your reasoning here. Are you disagreeing with those who don't actively help your point on principle?

[–]Ffnorde 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You haven't addressed the point here at all and are trying to change the direction of the conversation to something irrelevant. Do you agree that the skittles argument is valid then?

[–]Oxus007 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

I didn't downvote anyone in this thread. i assume the person who upvoted me, downvoted you.

I don't follow the second sentence? Downvoting means my reasoning is BS?

[–]Sabuleon -2ポイント-1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Your reasoning as to how you're formulating your argument is BS, because there is no point in "being generous". Just lay out the facts as they are instead of trying to be nice, already. You won't fool anyone anyways and "being nice" is condescending in this context.

[–]MRB2012 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yes. It's meant to illustrate why women are cagey around men we don't know - they might be a perfectly good dude, but sexual assault and rape is a such a widespread phenomenon that we're not gonna roll those dice.

You could say the same thing about blacks. But that would be "racist." If only we had a comparable word for sex based discrimination.

[–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Except black people haven't been violently oppressing white people for hundreds of years, and black cops aren't executing unarmed white men in the street every day.

[–]Choccasp 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

So what's your point? Because certain races face oppression, crime statistics relating to them are now bogus?

[–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Honestly, yeah, that's what it means. Police disproportionately target and courts disproportionately convict black people and other POC over white people.

[–]Choccasp 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

So as someone else asked you previously in this thread (and you conveniently ignored, whoops!), would you argue that black people/PoC have lower crime rates than white people?

I agree that racism plays a huge part in explaining why these crime rates exist, but arguing that the statistics and courts are so disproportionately against them that it's inflated these numbers by over 20-50 times the actual amount is frankly bullshit, and I say that as a PoC. It's such a lazy, insultingly over-simplified way of trying to explain how systematic racism gets so many of us unfairly caught up on the wrong side of the justice system, which, by the way, is racist to its core.

[–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've got about a dozen people in my inbox right now, dude, whoever I missed ain't that special.

Given that Terence Crutcher was just shot and killed for having car trouble less than a day after this bullshit hit the wires...yeah, I can honestly believe it.

[–]Sabuleon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It doesn't matter if it's racist or not; what matters is if that behavior is currently a thing, and it is. Facts don't really care about whether or not they're racist, they just exist.

It might be racist to be afraid of black people because in your mind, they're more highly associated with crime. However the fear of "being racist" is not a motivator like the fear of "being attacked" is. Given the choice, people will adopt an attitude to protect themselves against possible harm before they'll stop being racist. Or sexist.

Statistics won't change that due to confirmation bias. You have to change the mentality before presenting your statistics will have any effect.

[–]WinterCharmAsk me about the album of the day! :) 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It sucks and it's sensical.

[–]TNBKCurrently smuggling budgies 9ポイント10ポイント  (22子コメント)

The relative amount of skittles still doesn't change the fact that people aren't skittles.

[–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 1ポイント2ポイント  (21子コメント)

...yes? The point is that it's a bad analogy when it comes to Syrian refugees.

[–]thiaminlawd 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

...and a bad analogy for any type of person.

[–]TNBKCurrently smuggling budgies 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

The difference is the actual statistics involved

There is no difference. People are not candy.

[–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

You're missing the point, dude.

[–]TNBKCurrently smuggling budgies 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

It's not a good analogy when used for either men or refugees. The relative statistics are irrelevant. If it doesn't hold for refugees, it doesn't hold for men. Which odds you prefer don't matter.

[–]Sabuleon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Two different groups you're comparing as if they're the same. Horrible logic. An analogy won't hold up if you're comparing apples to oranges like this, that's for sure.

The analogy can hold for men without holding for refugees, because the state of being "a refugee" has literally nothing to do with the status of being "a man".

[–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

That's literally not how statistics work.

[–]TNBKCurrently smuggling budgies 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Literally, it is. Statistics does not dictate relevance. I'm aware the rate of misbehavior between men and refugees are different. I said that the difference doesn't matter. Because I'm disputing the foundation of the analogy in the first place. Not the figures.

[–]Oxus007 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

How do they work? According to your own stats above, less than 0.01% of American men commit assault.

[–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

So what you're saying is...not all men commit assault?

So profound. So novel.

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    [–]inuffMaester in the streets, dwarf in the sheets 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

    To be clear. That didn't look like the point of your post at all. The point of your post looked like the statistics against men is more compelling than the statistics against muslims.

    [–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yes, they are. A woman is more likely to be sexually assaulted by a dude by several orders of magnitude than you are to be a victim of a terror attack by a Syrian refugee.

    [–]inuffMaester in the streets, dwarf in the sheets 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yes I understand that's your point. It just directly goes against the post I was responding to, in which you reject/deny that that's your point.

    [–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're saying here. What am I rejecting/denying? I'm saying that the Skittles metaphor doesn't work for the Syrian refugee situation, but the M&Ms metaphor does work for gendered violence.

    [–]FrankyMcShanky 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You're trying to compare the evil and transgressions of individuals with that of religious and/or ideological institutions.

    You're comparing apples and oranges.

    [–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Uh...where on earth did I mention religious institutions?

    [–]FrankyMcShanky 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Umm... you do realize that most terrorism is driven by radical ideological or religious institutions right?

    [–]thiaminlawd -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

    So would this be a good analogy for black people in an urban area, where the crime stats reflect an disproportionate amount committed by ethnic people?

    [–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

    No, crime stats reflect a disproportionate rate of arrest and prosecution of "ethnic people."

    [–]MRB2012 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, crime stats reflect a disproportionate rate of arrest and prosecution of "ethnic people."

    Then explain the high murder rate in the black community.

    [–]SquirrelTreats 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So you believe that black people commit crime at the same rate as white people in the U.S.?

    [–]thiaminlawd 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    ugh, I'm not even going to argue that ethnics commit more crime because its not a road I believe in or want to go down. Just trying to you show how dumb your logic is.

    [–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Good, I won't waste any more time arguing with a racist.

    [–]thiaminlawd 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're right, and that's why I won't argue this point further. But you're still trying to justify yours and I wont waste anymore time arguing with a sexist.

    [–]pornographicnihilismA Goddamn Sexual Tyrannosaurus 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    ITT: People who don't know what a metaphor is.

    [–]thiaminlawd 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Everyone understands, they're saying it is a bad metaphor.

    [–]pornographicnihilismA Goddamn Sexual Tyrannosaurus 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think it illustrates the point quite well. Everyone knows that people aren't literally candy. The metaphor creates a correlation between two not-alike things in order to illustrate a point.

    [–]Jackibelle 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

    How many/few M&Ms must be known to be poisoned in the bowl before you feel comfortable eating them, especially if it's basically the only food around*? 1 in 100? 1 in 1000? 1 in a million? (that's like roughly 300 bad M&Ms in the entire US).

    *analogous to avoiding all men and trying to live life without a bunch of hoops to jump through. You could do it, but it's certainly a challenge.

    [–]Hurricane_Alice 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Well, the analogy would be to-- thoroughly inspect the m&m's instead of throwing a handful in your mouth. Find the poisonous ones, and be wary of the ones you don't know are perfectly fine.

    But, you're going to have to be super careful and inspect every one, even if you're super hungry. You can't just give into each one that wants to melt in your mouth.

    [–]Oxus007 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    In a box full of 75 million M&M's I wouldn't even think twice if around 0.4% AT MOST were bad ones.

    [–]Amablue 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    For what it's worth, you'd want it to be lower than .4% if you're going to be eating them. The important part here is the percentage, not the size of the pool of M&M's. You could have a pool of 200 or a pool of 75 million, but it wouldn't affect the odds of eating a bad one.

    And as for the odds of eating a bad one, if you were to eat a bag's worth of M&M's, that would be about 210 pieces. With 210 M&M's and a .4% chance of poison per unit, you're looking at about a 60% chance of eating poison by the time you finish the bag.

    (Not making any statement about the analogy, just the number you chose in the context of M&M's)

    [–]The_Bravinator 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I feel like there's a better food analogy that shows how we DO take acceptable risks sometimes. Like 1 in every X eggs has salmonella, but we still eat eggs, or whatever.

    [–]SwerdbyKlutzz 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I avoid it easily by saying "it's nowhere near all men that do this" Stating what they are going to say before they say it. It's not that they aren't right most of the time, it's that like every other human being, they are receiving from their point of view. We do it back to them too there just aren't anywhere near as many convos about men where we can do that.

    [–]boston_butt_roast 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I like "in my experience" or "sample size, men I know" mostly because it helps me filter out people with whom a rational discussion will never be possible. Anyone who tries to invalidate my statement by telling me the things I have experienced from the people I personally know is not a person I care to waste my time on.

    [–]SwerdbyKlutzz 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    you really get it worded like that? I find the replies will be possible suggestions of what else could have happened or the likes, never saying that they KNOW that's what happened. That's an easy shut down.

    [–]boston_butt_roast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Usually it's the suggestion of what actually happened but my one ex did try to tell me that I felt differently about certain situations and I must have seen the thing happen wrong, blah blah. Not every guy I know does this but my ex was a wonderful little gaslighter, bless his little heart

    [–]Doktaplayer 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The skittles analogy is the same kind of logic far-right neo nazis use for racial minorities. It's only used by bigots to use fear mongering in their arguments when in reality, the statistics shown in the analogy are always way off.

    Men aren't naturally rapists, Muslims aren't naturally suicide bombers, yada yada yada. The only people that believe this kind of crap obviously have some mental issues

    [–]paulwhite959 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I was gonna say......I've seen that same exact argument in immigration debates.

    [–]LadyAlekto 8ポイント9ポイント  (14子コメント)

    Here is a little tidbit

    Anyone of the notallmen types, are among the poisonous m&m's

    Or

    "If they know they aren't the problem, why do they feel threatened when someone does mention such a problem"

    [–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERKvictim of mod misandry <3 5ポイント6ポイント  (13子コメント)

    I don't speak for every man but I get a little bit of the reaction.

    Like, men are brought up knowing very well that they're viewed as dangerous, violent, scary animals. #yesallmen have experienced being the object of fear when they're simply going about their daily business.

    So when there's a meme that essentially says, "yes, I fear men, and it's completely logical for me to feel like that, and it shouldn't hurt your manfeels" it raises all those negative feelings again. For the vast majority of men - the ones who don't victimize women - it feels very bad to be profiled just for existing as a dude.

    [–]LadyAlekto 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Then maybe, just maybe, instead of pouring those feelings amongst woman that have been victimized enough to develop such ptsd, go up against the mena nd the culture that makes woman be so fearfull?

    Otherwise, you just right do nothing but show the need that we woman should lower our guard because that one guy might not be like that creepy uncle who stared at us, or the old guys that felt us up, or the teachers that dismissed us because we had boobies and so much more

    [–]thiaminlawd 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Why not both? Go against criminals and not treat men like potential criminals? 2 things at once!? crazy I know.

    [–]Alterit -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And then a woman is raped and everyone goes in on her condemning her for ever trusting that guy and what did she THINK was going to happen by going to his room!?!?

    Because that. That's what we have to deal with. If we're wary, we're hurting your manfeels. But if we're not and something does happen, we're stupid for not idk, not reading a man's mind to determine if he's a 'bad' one. There's no winning for us.

    [–]Oxus007 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    As complex humans we are capable of both tackling negative aspect of masculinity AND tearing down lazy, frankly sexist, #yesallmen BS.

    [–]LadyAlekto -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    then go do that instead of bothering me with this drama

    [–]Oxus007 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You comment in a public forum, you're going to get replies. Grow up.

    [–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERKvictim of mod misandry <3 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    All those things are bad, of course, but they are beyond the scope of what I wrote. I am simply describing men's feelings and reaction to being part of the rhetorical group "men".

    [–]LadyAlekto 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    You are explaining where they come from to someone who studied the subject

    Just saying

    I have neither asked for an explanation on this nor in any way suggested i require one

    On the other hand unsolicited advice on this matter from your points makes me question why you felt the need you had to

    [–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERKvictim of mod misandry <3 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    ...what? I don't know what you're trying to say to me right now. You made a comment, I replied to you.

    [–]Oxus007 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    She's saying "don't mansplain" in a passive aggressive way.

    [–]LadyAlekto -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Well here is another thing to #yesallwoman

    You come here and want to explain to me how some guy feels, on a subject every woman is proficient on just by virtue of being a woman

    Any woman learns with time, the men that arent poisonous do not require to defend themself from it, they instead acknowledge the shit woman experience and are supportive

    You right now, are defending the #notallmen, and now even try to gaslight the situation away, which suggests you are part of the problem

    Good luck, i wont answer any further

    [–]Alterit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sorry your feelings get hurt. Truly. That does suck. But at the same time...women are taught how to protect ourselves from getting raped. If we don't do those things, and if we don't second guess all our man friends, we get called an idiot if they rape us. And we usually see no justice if it does happen. So honestly you should expect that reaction from women who've been victimized. Not trusting men is the only way some people know to protect themselves 100%. Wish it wasn't so, but it is.

    [–]Sabuleon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Stuff like this is why it's actually wise to not trust anyone until they have proven themselves trustworthy. You never know if you're going to win the lottery and come across one of the special idiots among the 7+ billion people on this planet who'll make your day a very bad one indeed, regardless of their "grouping".

    [–]MathematicianFashion 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    After dealing with the man babies where I work, I make rash comments about men all the time but OBVIOUSLY I don't mean all men. Honestly I assume anyone who will #notallmen is pretty much a cesspool of a human. Or anyone who starts a sentence with "As a man...." nobody asked you.

    [–]Trixsterxx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I hate when this happen m&ms and other delcious candy getting dragged into iternet arguments. Someone get me a coupon we g oanna figure this out.

    [–]missgonzo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Over-sensitive status quo warriors.

    [–]OceloctopusRBG For God-Empress 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Better spend the entire conversation couching your words and arguing about semantics so that nothing at all gets accomplished re feminism!

    [–]Amplitude -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Is this the Skittles & Syrians argument?

    Totally valid argument. Not All Refugees are Islamic Radicals, but some sure are.

    [–]Sabuleon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Unfortunately you've been hit by the racism police who probably can't fathom there are murderers, rapists and extremists within their own demographic group.

    [–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    ITT: notallmen

    [–]ObeyLogic 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Nah, you're points were obtuse or wrong, all together, and got called out on it.

    [–]SudenveriThe Dr. Herbert West of Cock 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The points that the two metaphors are making are very, very, different. Trump Jr. wants to ban Muslim immigration. That's what the dumbass Skittles thing is about. OP's M&M metaphor is to explain why women are wary of men, especially men they don't know. No one is trying to, I dunno, ban men from public life or some shit.

    I gave statistics to explain why the first metaphor is racist and dumb, and the second a legit concern.