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I will be absolutely fucking disgusted if the dressing room turns on Jose and crack under pressure and do what the Chelsea players did. (self.reddevils)

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I am absolutely fucking livid right now with that leak. I was praying that 3 years of absolutely garbage football for us fans that pay our hard earned money week in week out to watch it would be enough of an incentive to take the criticism Jose gives out and strive to do better.

Seriously, if the team noticeably start dropping effort in games like the Chelsea players did under Jose, I'm not going to a game again for years. I love this club and invest so much into it that if no leaders in the dressing room grab the absolutely pussies who can't handle the pressure by the scruff of the neck I will lose any love for those players.

Sorry for the rant, I was just hoping before the season began this sort of shite wouldn't affect our club, let alone this early. I would rather we finish 7th, fuck I'd honestly rather we finished below 10th than sack a man who has eyed this job for years and allow a bunch of spineless cowards drive him out of the club, and have him replaced and keep that rotten core at the club, it'd be like firing a house owner from their home for having rats, without addressing the rats themselves. I'm not having this become a sack-employ-sack club like Chelsea, I'd rather lose most of the players than have those trying to make the team look bad getting paid to play for a club and manager they're trying to undermine.

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[–]manudevil7Beckham 27ポイント28ポイント  (8子コメント)

Honestly, I don't want Mourinho to go anywhere.

Realistically, if the players do quit on him, he will be sacked. It's a numbers game. It's easier to replace one manager than it is to replace X amount of players.

Personally, if that happens, I would be disgusted.

Woodward should tell the players Mourinho is not going anywhere. If you don't want to be here, I can show you the door.

[–]TyperSniperKeane[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

If we sack Jose it's going to begin an endless cycle of sack and replace. We've have mediocrity under Moyes and Van Gaal, give Jose time to get it right. If Jose ends up sacked by the end of the season I may genuinely lose all love for the club because I refuse to watch a starting 11 of spineless pussies getting overpaid to purposefully underperform. Spend my hard earned money in a pub watching/going to the games? Fuck that

[–]manudevil7Beckham 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly. Let's even assume we sack Jose, then what? We appoint a new manager, players think he is being too hard, then, what, we sack him, too?

Do we just hire and sack managers until there is one who shines the boots of players, kisses the ground they walk on, tells them how great their performances are, and does their washing up? Yeah, right.

[–]FeezbullGiggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Repeat till players have also left basically. Any bad spell and it'll happen as long as they're still around.

[–]fo4showDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we should stick with Jose, results will show. I love everything about him from the way he talks to the way he gets pissed

[–]elneebrePogba 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have to totally agree, what's the point in watching football if they're all a bunch of moaning cunts playing shit on purpose

IF this is a leak by senior players who have a big dressing room influence, they should immediately be dropped and never seen again

Worst thing we did was letting Rio and Evra go

[–]rpt23Football, bloody hell! 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can someone please tell me what was the leak. I just got off from work and missed any post that may have been regarding the leak.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can someone please tell me what was the leak. I just got off from work and missed any post that may have been regarding the leak.

According to Ducker, Mourinho is being really hard on the squad, and he is way harder on them than Sir Alex Ferguson ever was.

[–]Count__Duckula 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly disgusted with the players if the leak is accurate. Can't even handle a critical statement after three defeats on the bounce. Try doing a 9-5 putting in shit performances everyday and see how long you last before getting rinsed out or fired.

[–]youngsahaLVG 19ポイント20ポイント  (18子コメント)

If it´s Rooney, I don´t want to see him in Manchester United shirt again. This is now the third manager that has had a leek coming from the dressing room.

Rooney should man up and take some fucking responsibility

[–]manudevil7Beckham 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would be extremely surprised, if this was anyone other than Rooney. It has to be someone who has knowledge of SAF's inner workings and is able to juxtapose those with Mourinho's.

After the press he has received this week, this is Rooney trying to get the supporters on his side, unite against the manager, and get him ousted.

[–]MonsieurRyanGoss 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Realistically it can only be like what 4 or 5 players. Rooney, Carrick, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Young....can't think of anybody else.

[–]manudevil7Beckham 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

DDG could be on that list, too, but he is an unlikely suspect.

I think Ducker has Rooney or Carrick. My money is on Rooney. It's weird how the article mentions Rooney is afraid of being dropped. How would Ducker know that? Rooney is talking.

[–]leonardowmd 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

How can you say "if it's Rooney"? It quite clearly is. Him and Stretfords grubby hands all over that leak.

[–]gl0betrotter 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why do you think it's rooney?

[–]hairyknowsbest 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Based on the other thread, it's most likely someone who also played under SAF, which eliminates the majority of the players, and he's very well-connected with the media (and has previously caused trouble through the media). Out of all the players who's also played for SAF, Rooney seems like the only one who'd have reason to leak this (considering how the media and the fans have been questioning him lately).
Finally, something I haven't seen highlighted elsewhere is the fact that Neville pretty much just confirmed the leak is real, and Rooney obviously have a close relationship with him.. based on all these things, everything is pretty much pointing towards Rooney..

[–]leonardowmd -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who would know about criticism and the media, from a fergie point of view? Who has played under Fergie and is still there now? Who's mentioned the most in the article? Who's feeling "under pressure" according to the article? Who's feeling as if their "position is under threat" according to the article? All of that = Rooney.

[–]Count__Duckula -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's got history going back to the fergie years

[–]forwardpassRooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah Rooney, the perennial scapegoat for anything and everything that goes wrong. What if De Gea was the leak? Don't want to see him in a United shirt again?

[–]TudoorsScholes -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

There is Rooney, De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Young, Valencia, Carrick, Mata and Fellaini.

Then the ones who liked LVG, Blind, Martial, Lingard, Rashford (maybe), Mata again.

Listen, I know all the craze is around hating Rooney, but if he's still starting in these games, then I don't know if it's really him.

There's far more options than just Rooney.

[–]Surfacing710Keane 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can knock out those who liked LVG seeing as they never played under Fergie.

[–]TudoorsScholes -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

They didn't need to play under Fergie to be leakers...

[–]YoungPappy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you even read what was said?

[–]Surfacing710Keane 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the article, it says that his criticism is nastier and more personal than Fergie's, none of those players you mentioned who you say liked LVG played under Fergie so why would they make that comment?

[–]cookie1254Rafael -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Rooney is still by far the most likely option though. He has the media connections through his agent and he's got a reason to want the blame put on Mourinho.

[–]TudoorsScholes -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Christ no. Why would anyone turn on a manger who is playing him even when he's playing poorly? Mourinho is giving Rooney the benefit of the doubt by maintaining his confidence in him.

[–]cookie1254Rafael 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

To divert criticism away from themselves, not difficult to understand.

[–]TudoorsScholes -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To divert criticism away from themselves, not difficult to understand.

I understand that, but this is more than just a diversion tactic. Sure, to this sub it's a big issue, but Rooney who's been criticized by the media since 2011, has definitely learned to block some of it out.

Whoever it is, by all means they need to go, but this whole issue is much more than just Rooney. For all we know the leak could have come from someone else who thinks they deserve more just to make a story.

[–]hitpopMemphis 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The entitlement is strong on this subreddit lol holy shit... United are 6 points of the spot just calm the fuck down

[–]TyperSniperKeane[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The leak? The entire point of my post was about the leak not our league position.

[–]AfreeZSir Alex Ferguson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if it's Basti?

lol

[–]GaryYesterday 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Woah woah woah. Aren't you guys jumping the gun a bit here?

A player saying Jose is harder on the players than SAF was, doesn't mean Jose is about to be sacked. It also doesn't mean he has lost the dressing room. We have no idea what context the remarks were made, or if they even occurred at all.

Chill out. It's tabloids, not gospel.

[–]TyperSniperKeane[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the principle that a player is already leaking things to the press this early into the season that's unsettling.

[–]cmf_ansValencia -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

I agree, this is really bad. Did it occur to anyone that maybe CO92 is behind this? Why would Neville publicly confirm that it's an inside leak? There's no need for that whatsoever.

[–]DMP96 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

CO92?

[–]anterax 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 92nd batch of carbon monoxide that Mourinho carries around with him. That's why all the newspapers label him as 'toxic'.

Seriously though, class of '92

[–]cmf_ansValencia 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Class of '92. Sorry, am trying to take as little time typing so I can read everything posted on the subject.

[–]FeezbullGiggs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Conspiracy theory there....

But not impossible of course. Scholes has been critical. Giggs wanted the job. He's not doing much now. He's being all media savvy with punditry too.

As you said, the leak has been confirmed almost really by Neville. But doesn't mean it's a player perhaps. Could all be a push to get giggs to be relevant again seeing as his stock will rise as a name to be a caretaker/interim to fill and finally secure the job should there be a sack etc.

Or rather, in the lead up to what they hope is a sack.

You can't be sure of course and it could well be this instead of Rooney too although, it's less likely I think.

[–]sittingbull15 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

What leak? Everyone is talking about it and most of us don't know what the f is the leak thing they you lots are talking about! Jesus Christ

[–]saucytony12Martial 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Read the article by James Ducker. It's at the top of the front page ffs.

[–]anterax -4ポイント-3ポイント  (18子コメント)

So when Moyes was in charge, everything was his fault. When LvG was here, everything was his fault. Now that Mourinho's here, everything is the players' fault(s). Seriously, some of you on here need another hobby or something

[–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

This is a leak very early in the season. Neither Moyes or LVG had to go through with this shit so soon.

[–]hairyknowsbest -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, I also don't remember Moyes or LVG throwing players under the bus like Mourinho did (and has been doing) since the City defeat. The leak is inexcusable, but so was his post-match interview(s), especially considering United played a really good game..

[–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

especially considering United played a really good game..

We only played well in the second half, the first half was a disgrace.

[–]anterax -5ポイント-4ポイント  (12子コメント)

How is that relevant to anything that I said? You think there wasn't a single player early on under those managers who was unhappy?

[–]cookie1254Rafael 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

There almost certainly was but at least they kept it to themselves instead of starting a public shitstorm for personal gain like what's happened tonight.

[–]TudoorsScholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Who has anything to gain from leaking this?

[–]cookie1254Rafael 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Any player who doesn't like Mourinho and wants him discredited, any player who wants criticism diverted away from them (i.e Rooney), it's not hard to think of potential reasons. Obviously someone gains from the leak or they wouldn't have leaked it.

[–]youngsahaLVG 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rooney?

[–]anterax -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lol I realize that this doesn't fit in with the overdramatic reactionary nature of this sub, but all it is is a newspaper trying to sell a story. There were stories like this under Moyes and van Gaal as well and they only got sacked much, much later than when the story 'broke'. It's really easy to fabricate this about Mourinho given his two most recent stints as manager, how about we be a bit sensible about it and not take everything that's written in newspapers as gospel?

[–]cookie1254Rafael 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reads exactly like a leak normally would and was written by a reputable journalist working for a reputable paper. Far more likely it's legitimate than not.

[–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

How many of them leaked their dissatisfaction after 6 games under LVG and Moyes?

[–]anterax 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Again, that's irrelevant. If the player chose to leak his dissatisfaction 2 years into Mourinho's tenure, would that mean that it's Mourinho that's wrong?

[–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll have to say yes because with 2 years he'd have been given ample time to make whatever changes he wants to make. 6 games is no where near enough for it to be his fault.

[–]anterax 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you seriously suggesting that the length of time before a player, any player unconfirmed, leaks his dissatisfaction to the press is a reliable indicator of whether it's the manager's fault that the club's had some bad results???

[–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When LVG first started off with us and our form wasn't the best, there was an understanding that LVG needed time to implement his methods, we were bound to drop points as everyone adapts. If there was a leak in that period it would be seen as nothing more than sour grapes. Now compare it to last season where we were shit. LVG found a winning method through the single pivot 4-3-3 yet decided to stick with his stale 4-2-3-1 and again our form was shaky as hell. A leak then would be more justified because LVG had been given two summer transfer windows to do what he needed to do and yet there hadn't been a noticeable improvement from the previous season.

Now we're 6 games into this season and there's a leak about Jose's criticism of the players which just so happens to come out while we're in a bad run of results. Are we not going to afford Jose the same time before judging him? While I won't deny that his team selection has been found wanting, I don't see why I should pin the blame solely on him so soon.

[–]elneebrePogba 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The trend is the same with what happened with leaks in the Moyes and LVG era, except this time it's happening super early

[–]anterax 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, and it's easy to fabricate it this early because we're in a bad spell of results and because of how Mourinho was sacked from his last two jobs.

[–]House_Of_LannisterAnd who are you...? -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the leak is true (assuming it is purely based on G.Nev's implication), then it's over for now. You've never seen a manager turn around a dressing room of this calibre.

Defeat to rivals, defeat in europe with a different lineup (more unhappy players), defeat to a mediocre team who were one of favorites to be relegated?

On top of all that, you have people like Rooney, Zlatan, Pogba under pressure and very strong characters who are getting frustrated.

Granted, he's meant to be managing that situation but fuck me... was it really any surprise after the bullshit of "welcome to Zlatan" and "pogback" that these egoistical psyche's in the dressing room are confused and annoyed??? They probably had a very different picture in mind before coming here and now it's borderline cringe thinking how excited people like Basti and Zlatan were to join us, now they are having second thoughts? Perhaps... perhaps not... We're in trouble imo however.

[–]forwardpassRooney -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

We may no longer be in the honeymoon phase, but we're sure as shit still in the arse licking phase of Mourinho's management. Whenever a new manager, a new player comes to United, it takes us 3 months to call a spade a spade. Maybe Mourinho is actually in the wrong here, ever consider that?

[–]House_Of_LannisterAnd who are you...? 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did but then my scales of probability concluded.

Read the article again, it's quite specifically detailed; It was clearly written with measure and thought.