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[–]RingoStarrVevo 1615ポイント1616ポイント  (60子コメント)

I imagine I'm a little bit late to tell this story but here goes:

My Grandad was born in 1925 and died just last year at the ripe old age of 90. He was born in Leipzig, Germany, and always wanted to be a pastry chef. Unfortunately for him his Dad had other plans and instead forced him to become a Cartographer (map maker).

Before that though, like many young men and women in Germany at the time he was swept up by the grandeur of the Nazis. When Krystallnacht happened he was 13, and when I asked him about that night he said that him and his friends smashed windows - not because they wanted to do harm to any Jews mind you, just because the older kids were doing it and it looked like fun.

When the war broke out he decided to enlist in the Luftwaffe, against his Father's protestations (my Grandad reasoned that its better to sign up now and go through several months of training, after which you might have a chance to survive, than to wait until conscription and get sent to the frontlines to die).

Well that reasoning turned out to be flawed, as when it came time for my Grandad to fly (he was to be the aeroplane navigator) they had run out of planes. Instead they just dumped him on the frontlines with a gun to die.

On my Grandad's first day, as luck (or unluck) would have it, he was shot in the leg and taken to the red cross tent. Overnight the Allies took the area, and he was shipped to England in a Prisoner of War camp.

Whilst there, the soldiers were shown videos and pictures of what was going on at the concentration camps. My Grandad told me that, at first, nobody believed it. They thought it must have been Allied propaganda. But as time went on they slowly realised that it was the truth, and what was happening in these camps was nothing short of monstrous.

Anyway, to make a long story short my Grandad met his future wife one Christmas, when the soldiers were permitted to have dinner with local families. He fell in love straight away and married her after the war.

After the war, he was given a choice: stay in England and work on a Farm, or go back to Germany. Well, the only family he had back in Germany were at that time living in East Berlin, so he took a chance, stayed with the love of his life and worked on a Chicken Farm until he retired. He eventually had two sons, one of whom stayed in England (my Dad) and one of whom currently lives in America.

Anyway, to answer your question (yes - I know this has been quite roundabout but I never get to tell this story) we talked about it.

I once interviewed my Grandad for my GCSE History class, and talked about his time in the war. We asked him questions about what it was like (hence the story of Krystallnacht) and he answered as honestly as possible.

He sometimes made jokes himself (or what we think were jokes). For example, I introduced him to YouTube one year, and when I came back he told me how much he loved it - "Look! I can even watch my old marching music" proceeds to pull up a video of Hitler Youth marching music

One time nearer the end of his life when he was living with us (cancer) he suddenly looked shocked and exclaimed "Oh dear I can't believe I forgot! I can't believe I forgot it!"

"What did you forget Opa?"

"Its Hitler's Birthday today!"

I'm aware as a type this out that these don't sound very jokey, but it was very much his type of humour.

He was, when all was said and done, a very sweet old man. He had a lot of compassion for other people, and never once expressed any sort of racism or anti semitism. He was a supporter of the UK Labour Party for most of his life and was genuinely a great and insightful old man.

I'll never forget what he said when I asked him about the Holocaust for my History project. He said to me "We should never forget what happened. If we do then it will just happen again. We should never forget it."

We played Eartha Kitt's Under the Bridges of Paris at his funeral, as it was him and my Grandma's favourite song, before she died.

Anyway, sorry for the absolute wall of text! Thanks for reading it!

[–]TheGo0n [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is a great reply, thanks for taking the time to type it all out!

[–]thenewsdidthis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm aware as a type this out that these don't sound very jokey, but it was very much his type of humour.

its very german humour tbh

[–]mmakk36 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

don't apologize man, that was a fascinating read. we're running out of people from that generation, so reading this was great

[–]alphacentaurai 1343ポイント1344ポイント  (86子コメント)

I worked with a woman in her 60's whose family arrived in the UK from Germany in the early 1950s (she'd have been about 12 at the time I guess). It was common knowledge in her family that her mother had been part of the 'war effort' back in Germany.

It really interested me, and we spoke about it at length. There was a common acceptance that no one would ever ask the parents about the war and particularly the role that her mother had played. At the time of her mum's passing in the late 1990s she still had no idea what it was that her mother did, other than it being non military but within government. She talked about it all with a real sense of (inherited) shame, so I would imagine that many families still in Germany with similar ties feel very much the same.

[–]aman4456 [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

Thats about the same relationship i have with my grandfather about 'nam. He was in vietnam but the whole family knows how hellish it must have been so we just dont talk about it. Different reason for not talking but the relationship is about the same

[–]IWatchGifsForWayToo [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

My step father will talk about it if the mood strikes him. Not the bloody messy parts, but about how he got there, funny stories you would see in Reader's Digest. And it was always snippets. Things like "One time I killed a man in an alley. Had to throw the knife in the Green River. They sent me to Vietnam so I didn't get killed"

One time on a long drive into town he finally told me his military career leading up to that statement. It is the craziest story I've ever heard.

[–]Kurlysoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My dad talks when the mood strikes him as well. Different things that trigger his memory. He "got into some trouble" (won't specify what he did) when he was 18, so the judge gave him the choice between going into the service and going to prison. He chose Navy because he thought it would take him as far away from the war as possible. The first ship he sailed on went to Vietnam to pick up soldier's bodies.

There are lots of stories and snippets of stories I've heard over the years, but sometimes he stops abruptly and changes the subject. I can't imagine the horrors he faced.

[–]ex_nihilo [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

And if you've ever read the Winter Soldier testimonies you'd probably be glad. It's better not knowing.

[–]ytrezazerty 184ポイント185ポイント  (2子コメント)

At least a comment that actually answers OP's question. Cheers for that.

[–]Ahnenglanz [スコア非表示]  (31子コメント)

As a german who's great grandfather was a higher rank nazi i seriously cant agree.

This relative of mine that i have never spoken to affects me in absolutely no way.

Why should i be ashamed of something someone i never met has done?

To be honest, most germans are pretty annoyed about the concept of inherited guilt. It makes no sense.

Do you ask an american if he feels bad for his ancestors owning slaves? A japanese if he is sorry for pearl harbor? No. Because it is bullshit.

[–]bitrollar [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Do you ask an american if he feels bad for his ancestors owning slaves

Yes this happens

[–]LDYBLUE [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do you ask an american if he feels bad for his ancestors owning slaves?

Actually, we're pretty much told we're supposed to.

Even those of us whose families only arrived here in the 1950s and 60s.

[–]ButterflyAttack [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yeah, I agree. Maybe it's because WWII was just about within living memory, but no-one should be expected to feel responsible for things their grandparents and great-grandparents did. Pretty much every country has shit in their past - no-one really seems to expect us English to feel bad about our very own concentration camps in Kenya, for example.

[–]The_Red_Paw 2228ポイント2229ポイント  (530子コメント)

My grandfather was a German infantryman. Fought at the Battle of Brody and was killed at Stalingrad. My mom was 5 when he died. She rarely spoke of him at all. When I was 38 I began researching my family tree. She finally gave me the only photo she had of him, his official military portrait in a Nazi uniform.

He looks like a real regular guy, except for the swastikas. He was 32 when he was killed.

As a small child my mom could not wait to be old enough to get into the Hitler Youth. The war ended before that. She lived in Munich and was smitten by all the handsome Americans there and then emigrated to the States in her early 20's.

She's 80 now and only just told me the Hitler Youth story last year.

I still have my grandfathers war diary.

EDIT: His name was Paul.

[–]ibreakbathtubs 75ポイント76ポイント  (15子コメント)

In his Nazi uniform? Was he a member of the SS or was he a Wehrmacht soldier like pretty much everybody else? It's hard for me to think that many things were made during that period that didn't have a Swastika stamped on it.

My grandfather did the Hitler youth thing too, but more because pretty much everyone was expected to do the Hitler youth in those days. He chose to do the naval based Hitler Youth since learning how to sail a ship sounded better to him than his other options.

He was trained to be a u-boat mechanic but after Hitler had some kind of assassination attempt he decided to convert my grandfather's entire battalion or whatever into infantry. My grandfather was then sent to Italy where after spending some time in paperwork limbo he was taken POW.

Here he is chilling with his comrades a few weeks before being put into a POW camp. I have a million pictures like this.

It's not ignored. My cousins and I love hearing stories from grandpa from the world war. My Aunts and Uncles are definitely not as comfortable with it but I think they suffer more guilt from it than anyone else.

[–]paxgarmana [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

because pretty much everyone was expected to do the Hitler youth in those days

Heck, Pope Benedict was in the Hitler Youth...

[–]ibreakbathtubs [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

That's fascinating I had no idea. That's my new favorite fact of the day.

[–]InsaneUpboat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

back then, you didn't get a choice. Joining the Hitler Youth was the same as joining the Boy Scouts just with quite a bit more military structure.

In many cases parents who prevented their children from joining the Hitler Youth, were in fact arrested themselves as enemies of the state and sent to concentration camps.

[–]doc_frankenfurter [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The SS may have started as ideological but later on they took everyone including absolute non-Nazis (the SS ran the punishment battalions which took on criminals amongst others).

The Wehrmacht started as conventional soldiers (but mostly Nazi supporting amongst the officers, non-Nazis would be purged) but again during the war, things became more blurred.

[–]plazmablu 1586ポイント1587ポイント  (426子コメント)

He looks like a regular guy except for the swastikas

This is the most important thing about the legacy of Nazism. We have to remember, the Nazis were evil, terrible people, but they were people like us. They loved, worked 9/5 jobs, they complained about the traffic just like we do. It is vital to remember that in the right circumstances, we are just as capable of doing what they did and embracing hatred, and we must guard against it.

[–]yellowdude9209 1020ポイント1021ポイント  (202子コメント)

While this may seem like a rational line of thinking and has its merits, I fear you may be missing the fact that just because someone was a soldier under a certain regime does not make them a) representative of that ideology or b) in this case, make him a Nazi. The grander takeaway is that in all likelihood, this individual's grandfather was probably just a regular guy who joined the army. This doesn't automatically make him a nazi, it makes him a German soldier. While you're right we should be wary of the ease to which entire cultures can fall into hatred and protectionism, we must also learn to empathize with the citizens living (and fighting) under regimes that promote hatred.

[–]Red_Dog1880 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Not to mention that because someone wore a Swastika it didn't make them a Nazi.

The Swastika flag was the official flag of Nazi Germany before and during the war, it would be the exact same as any other soldier wearing a patch with his country's flag.

[–]Xpress_interest [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Definitely - and to add on to that, saying that even the Nazis who perpetrated the worst war crimes were some untouchably dark "evil" people also does a disservice to humanity. The Jewish philosopher Hannah Arendt's "Eichmann in Jerusalem" coverage post war introduced the idea of the "Banality of Evil," suggesting that people like Eichmann were normal people and NOT evil psychopaths, and that EVERYONE has the capacity to commit crimes like these while continuing to see themselves in a positive light. It becomes too convenient to say things like "well I'm not evil like [blank group or person]" to justify your actions. "Evil" is ultimately not an objective concept, and attempting to reduce human action to some fundamental alignment everybody has can do a lot more harm than good.

[–]kjhwkejhkhdsfkjhsdkf [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

saying that even the Nazis who perpetrated the worst war crimes were some untouchably dark "evil" people also does a disservice to humanity.

Yep, everyone wants to demonize them so badly that they don't realize that if they were in the same shoes, odds are they'd go along with it.

[–]plazmablu 176ポイント177ポイント  (106子コメント)

Absolutely, I have no doubt that many people serving in the Wehrmacht weren't Nazis.

[–]Youwontdownvotethis 207ポイント208ポイント  (64子コメント)

American who was stationed in Germany for almost 4 years.

Germans do not like what happened in the 1930s and 1940s. They have laws not against talking about it, but promoting it. We were actually briefed about not making hitler and nazi jokes while we are in germany or around germans.

With that in mind, during the world cup a german pub owner once joked to me about how she worried about Germans having too much national pride.

[–]reatter [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

We were actually briefed about not making hitler and nazi jokes while we are in germany or around germans.

Although most Germans don't mind talking about the war or Hitler. The infamous law of Godwin also holds true for many conversations here in Germany, amoung Germans.

Source: I am a 30yo German.

[–]goingrogueatwork [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Why was it that when I was in Munich, I sat with couple of Germans who joked about Hitler at the Hofbrauhaus biergarten? They said the HB on the stein stands for Hitler's Best. I laughed a very uncomfortable laugh.

[–]Zeyda [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I feel like if I lived in Germany it be a blast to make tourists uncomfortable with jokes like that.

[–]AnEpiphanyTooLate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because not every single thing that happens is monitored, plus people have experiences every day and meet people that go against the norm.

[–]stpfan1 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

The Germans I knew said they never felt comfortable being too nationalistic UNTIL the World Cup in 2006. It wasn't until then they felt comfortable decorating with flags, etc. and start showing some pride.

[–]Amirax [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

Don't mention the war..!

[–]WgXcQ [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Don't mention the war..!

That's a british saying, actually.

The war actually gets mention ad nauseam. School cover it basically every year starting grade 7 or so, and whenever you flip through the channels you're bound to encounter at least one program talking about Hitler and the war, lest we forget.

[–]Thevoleman [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

I remember one time my German friend visited me in Canada. Being Canadian, I cracked a joke about Nazi, as in "grammar nazi" or "soup nazi", the detail is a bit hazy now. Anyway, he didn't take the joke lightly, and politely told me that to call a German a Nazi is the worst thing you can say. I did nazi that coming, but I was glad he told me. We're still friends to this day.

[–]LOSS35 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

This is a genuine concern in Germany. At one point national flags were banned from soccer stadiums. We've seen first hand the destruction a powerful sense of nationalism can lead to.

[–]ed_merckx [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

what a lot of people seem to forget is that pretty much all nations involved in the war had some sort of conscription (IE the draft in the US) and it's more likley that someone who fought for the Axis had to by law, not because they were a crazy ultra nazi that dreamed of working at a concentration camp.

I've done a few trips to Europe with a charity group that brings ww2 veterans and their families back to where they fought, visit graves, see friends, etc. This has come up a few times as one of the guys on a tour ended up staying in Germany during the rebuilding (he spoke fluent German and french) and married a German woman, eventually moved back to the US with his family. He said everyone in his town knew he was a US soilder, and he knew that most of his friends his age, that he would go to dinner or drinking with fought on the other side.

He recalled a few stories of angry German women who had lost their husband or kid yelling at him, but that was only in the first year after the war was over. It was more of a "we were just following orders, doing our jobs" understanding and if anything those that fought in the war had kind of a mutual respect for each other because they both could sympathize with the other guy that probably had to deal with all the shit they had to deal with. One thing that hit really hard was when he described how big of a rebuilding effort it was, his quote was something like "there was so much to rebuild that no one had time to be angry at each other".

[–]fakerytale [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We were actually briefed about not making hitler and nazi jokes while we are in germany or around germans.

when I was in school, our German teacher was actually German. She was lovely. One day during lunch my friend decided to make a ton of Nazi jokes at her ("have you seen my friend? He's about this tall and he lives over there" which ended in a pose with one arm up and a finger under the nose to mimic Hitler was the big one, although I also remember him asking if she was "al-reich" (alright) when she started to look upset) and eventually she ran away crying. I felt terrible, my friend thought it was hilarious. We didn't stay friends much longer after that.

[–]murdermeformysins 50ポイント51ポイント  (25子コメント)

Very few were. Maybe some supported the nazi politics to a degree, but saying the average German soldier was a nazi is like saying the average American soldier is a god fearing, gay hating Republican. The Wehrmacht gets colored by the politics but most of the guys were just soldiers doing their job.

[–]blaze_firestormer 100ポイント101ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yeah, my great-grandfather was in the KKK, but mainly because you just were if you lived in that town, but it didn't mean that you were necessarily racist. In fact, he was shot for sympathizing with blacks.

[–]BullDolphin 34ポイント35ポイント  (7子コメント)

Perhaps the takeaway is that we should chew all ideologies (inclulding our own "good" ideology that is obviously not like the "bad" Germans because we only bomb for "humanitarian" purposes not like those bad nazis) 100 times before swallowing

[–]MagnusTheGreat 20ポイント21ポイント  (17子コメント)

Thank you! I've been trying to convince people on reddit that German soldiers weren't all Nazis and that not all Nazis were German.

The Wehrmacht and the SS were even at an almost secret war between each other. The SS believed they should have complete power and that they shouldn't worry about war crimes, while the Wehrmacht was made up of mostly soldiers and the generals had been soldiers since WW1 and knew what happened when the rules weren't followed. Of course, there were good and bad men in the Wehrmacht and most of them were Nazis, but not all of them were horrible people. A lot of them were just normal soldiers who had been basically brainwashed by a fucked up regime.

The SS however, is a bunch of monsters and assholes. And I believe the worst one of those was Dirlewanger. Simply because most SS officers were trying to get something through their terrible actions. But Dirlewanger just killed for killing. It wasn't about any other goal. It was just about killing as many people in as terrible way as possible. He was a dog. And even looked down on by other SS members because of his barbarism. And many people hated him and wanted him gone for the reason of him being too brutal...

Unfortunately, his friends were friends of Himmler and Himmler liked his brutality.

[–]GhazotanBayraq [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The Wehrmacht committed its share of war crimes as well. Don't absolve them completely.

[–]NaSoWirstNedOid [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Indeed. Most of the industrial, strategically planned killing (death camps, but also massacres, particularly in Eastern Europe) was however done by the SS.

While the roles overlapped, the SS was more of a dedicated "extermination force" while the Wehrmacht acted as more or less a normal war-fighting army.

[–]fencerman 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

While this may seem like a rational line of thinking and has its merits, I fear you may be missing the fact that just because someone was a soldier under a certain regime does not make them a) representative of that ideology or b) in this case, make him a Nazi.

That's what makes it scarier. There were lots of reasonable, moderate germans who were cowed into cooperation who detested what the government was doing, but did their part anyways.

[–]bastc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It is surprising that people still see this in black and white. Nazi party members were a minority in Germany and most soldiers were forced to join the army. Meanwhile, people in the Netherlands rounded up their own Jews and put them in a holding camp, ready for the Germans to take them away. Teenage soldiers, abducted from what would later be the eastern block, were shot after they surrendered their Normandy positions by a segregated US army.

Heroes and victims can be found on all sides and the distribution will be closer to 50/50 than we tend to feel comfortable with.

[–]mctoasterson [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I recommend everyone read All Quiet on the Western Front, a fictional yet semi-historical novel written from the perspective of a German infantryman in WWI. The German soldiers were fighting for the man next to them and were truly horrified and damaged by the war just as any other soldier was. They were regular people in terrible circumstances they didn't necessarily support or agree with politically. I believe the same is probably true for the average WWII soldier regardless of nationality.

[–]Threctic [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I think it's not that easy to divide people in "evil" and "good". That is something which generally annoys me about talking about WW 2. I think that the real thing which made the Nazi regime possible was indifference and moral opportunism by the people living under the regime. This all comes down to a lack of genuinely internalized moral values. Something I see in most nowadays people too. I claim that most people would make great Nazis under the right circumstances, not because they're evil, but because they base their moral judgdement on conformism. They don't have deep going moral values, they say "if everyone does it, it must be okay".

Basically this is never talked about but the American people showed this same indifference in WW 2, too. There was no outrage about sending Jewish refugee ships back to Germany, even though they knew what would happen with them over there. And then theres the thing with the nuclear bombs which didn't necesssarily have to be used.

Part of it may also stem from responsibility diffusion.

In the end, the thing we should watch out for is lack of feeling of responsibility, and conformism. Not "evilness". That's what I think. It's not about making people look better, I guess you could even see it the other way round. People don't have to be evil to do extremely evil things.

[–]paxgarmana 89ポイント90ポイント  (79子コメント)

also, Swastikas were part of the uniform. He may have not been a party member if he was regular Wehrmacht.

edit: I am not German. I have never been German. I have studied history and the holocaust extensively. If you were Wehrmacht you still might have done bad things. But Being Wehrmacht was obviously different than being SS/Waffen-SS

[–]Smoke_legrass_sagan 35ポイント36ポイント  (31子コメント)

Wehrmacht weren't exactly blameless either. Mostly because they shot Jews.

[–]plazmablu 28ポイント29ポイント  (19子コメント)

Like, a lot of Jews. And Slavic peoples. About 27 million Russians, if I remember correctly.

[–]paxgarmana 25ポイント26ポイント  (11子コメント)

I read some literature about the invasion of the USSR and subsequent start of the massacres.

A lot of the massacres were conducted by specifically brought in police units - who developed a high suicide rate as a result. This ultimately was the reason the death camps were constructed. Shooting the slavs and jews was proving to be too much even for units brought in specifically to do that.

The Wehrmacht was to busy fighting the war to be detailed for massacres. They still did some, of course, but it wasn't the job of the Wehrmacht to just kill slavs and jews, it was their job to defeat the USSR military.

The USSR had an insane death toll. Part of that was the Germans stripping conquered areas of food and working POWs to death. Part of it was the USSR just throwing soldiers at the Germans to slow them down.

I am not saying the Wehrmacht was super awesome. I AM saying that membership in the Wehrmacht did not mean you were a Nazi.

[–]FratmanBootcake 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nope, not Russians. It was citizens of the USSR and a lot of those were Ukrainians. Russia had the lion's share, but it wasn't just Russia that suffered.

[–]pitikay 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

they complained about the traffic just like we do.

At least they got their Autobahns!

[–]Jackpot777 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

...but they didn't get their KdF-Wagen (VW Beetle) to drive on the Autobahn if they were on the savings plan...

The Volkswagen was sold to German workers on an installment plan where buyers of the car made payments and posted stamps in a stamp-savings book, which when full, would be redeemed for the car. Due to the shift of wartime production, no consumer ever received a "Kdf-Wagen" (although after the war, Volkswagen did give some customers a 200 DM discount for their stamp-books). The entire project was financially unsound, and only the corruption and lack of accountability of the Nazi regime made it possible.

[–]Plaetean 174ポイント175ポイント  (27子コメント)

It is vital to remember that in the right circumstances, we are just as capable of doing what they did and embracing hatred, and we must guard against it.

Cool, so we should make sure to not scapegoat our economic frustrations on immigrants, demonise an entire religion, or elect a militaristic, nationalistic machismo personality-cult outsider with aggressive foreign policy and diplomatic aims. Easy peasy.

[–]LittleBastard 26ポイント27ポイント  (10子コメント)

There is no way this could ever happen in America.

[–]TofuDeliveryBoy [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The historical podcaster/political commenter Dan Carlin had a really interesting thing to say about this. I guess while in college he had a very old German professor of history discussing WWII and Hitler, and the students basically said the same thing. But the professor turned around and said something along the lines of "Yes, German Fascism could never happen in America. Because it was GERMAN Fascism. American fascism would come under the pretense of American values."

German Fascism rose because of Germany's Prussian militaristic heritage and the stab to national pride they had from WWI. American Fascism would come under the guise of a revival of classical American values, or what people perceive as classical American values.

[–]BullDolphin 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

We only bomb for humanitarian purposes. Not like those evil nazis who wanted a "Germeany for the Germans"

/s

[–]BigSteffen 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

Might you upload his diary somewhere (with names blurred out of course), so I can translate it into english?

My mothers tongue is german :)

[–]robotzuelo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I would really love to read more about the live of the german infantyman. I hope OP agrees to share something.

[–]WNDRKNDXOXO 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can translate the diary for you, if you want it

[–]goatofplastic 12ポイント13ポイント  (15子コメント)

Have you ever read it?

[–]The_Red_Paw 26ポイント27ポイント  (14子コメント)

It is in German, but I had a friend translate parts of it, that's how I know about the Battle of Brody.

[–]DreadNinja 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can you post photos from it or pm me some? I'm German myself and I'd love to read this. You don't often have the chance to get something like this nowadays.

[–]Panda50223 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you want, i can translate it for you

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_WORRIES 9ポイント10ポイント  (14子コメント)

A lot of people died at Stalingrad, that must have been something of a terrible end.

What about your grandmother, though? Sorry if it's a bit personal.

[–]plazmablu 41ポイント42ポイント  (13子コメント)

As far as the "worst place to be in history" competition goes, Stalingrad is up there for both sides. Leningrad too, for the Soviets particularly. The western front wasn't fun but the eastern front was hell.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_WORRIES 19ポイント20ポイント  (11子コメント)

It's something of a contrast between the First and Second World War.

In the First, the Germans got bogged down in endless trench warfare in France/Belgium. In the Second, they got bogged down trying to fight on the longest frontline in human history; a land invasion of Russia.

[–]plazmablu 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

I wonder what the Eastern Front was like in WW1? Russia was involved in that war for the first 3 years but I haven't really heard about it.

[–]kirmaster 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here's a channel with a week by week what happened in the war. Eastern front is nearly half of the coverage because so much more movement happened on it outside the winters.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_WORRIES 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Great War on YouTube actually talks about it quite a bit, and has videos for each week of the war on practically all fronts, as part of the 100 year anniversary of WW1.

[–]Loki-L 136ポイント137ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well we are ageing our way out of that particular problem right now.

Somebody born on the day the Nazi regime surrendered would be 71 right now after all and there are fewer and fewer people left who lived through the Nazi rule as adults.

To have actually voted for the Nazis in last election in 1933 one would have to have been 20 at that time and thus born in 1913. The number of people still alive who fit that bill is increasingly small.

Of course it wasn't always that way.

When I grew up there were a lot of more people around who actively lived through those days.

Generally it wasn't brought up without good reason and those reason were few.

Thanks to the way the Nazi regime worked, very few people managed to avoid participating in the system in some form. Membership in organization like the Hilter Youth were mandatory if you fit the criteria and for other organizations it was strongly encouraged. Many ended up joining the party not out of conviction but because they just wanted to get on with life.

So for the most part after the war there were very few people who were not sitting in glasshouses and able to throw stones. Almost everyone still alive had been to some degree a part of the system.

The few who honestly could have held up their own past as an example of what everyone should have done largely refrained from that sort of thing.

For specific events it varied quite a bit.

For example when we learned about the fate of the synagogue in town in school the general consensus was that it hadn't been locals who burned it down during the Reichskristallnacht and killed the young man inside. It supposedly had been some youths from the big city who did it.

That may or may not have been true, but it a very convenient story for everyone to go along with.

It doesn't help that very few people came out entirely unscanted from the whole thing. My Grandmother lost her first husband in the war and my grandfather spent some time as a POW in Russia that he never quite mentally recovered from. So this whole era was never something you could bring up in casual conversation.

[–]VLKBlackDove 179ポイント180ポイント  (25子コメント)

I don't know if this counts since I live in the states but I'm related to Erwin Rommel, or the Desert Fox.

Whenever the situation gets brought up about him we don't really shy away from it. We just try to think while he may of been part of it at least he was part of the July 20th plot to kill Hitler

It's odd to think that afterwards Hitler promised him his family would be safe if he killed himself. My family kind of goes on because of the mercy of Hitler on them after the assassination attempt.

[–]Zavasta [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You're probably lucky in that if any high rank of the German big namers is going to be respected, it's Rommel. Not that he was a saint but he was a soldier through and through. Before Nazism and I imagine if he'd had the chance, after Nazism.

[–]lxaex1143 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That's what I hope many take away from stories like these. Not all soldiers in wars like this are evil. Some people do it because they love their country, have to work, want to protect their family, or are born soldiers. The best American example is Robert E. Lee. He went to the south to protect his home (Virginia) and his family.

[–]BEEF_WIENERS [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Of the military and political leaders of the Nazi regime, there's worse to be related to than Rommel. He was implicated in the 20 July plot to kill Hitler in 1944 and was made to kill himself in exchange for assurances that his family wouldn't be persecuted after his death. So, you know, if you gotta be related to a high-ranking Nazi, be related to a high-ranking traitorous Nazi.

[–]HimmicaneDavid [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You cant really call Rommel a Nazi his Afrika Korps didnt commit war crimes and Rommel refused to implement the programs to round up undesirables. He was an old school German who rejected most nazi beliefs.

[–]zerogee616 495ポイント496ポイント  (60子コメント)

At this point, basically everyone who was old enough in WW2 to be more than a low-ranked private/insert-equivalent-rank-here or who lied about their enlistment age is dead. There's a good few of the former Hitler Youth still kicking though.

That being said, I highly recommend the documentary World At War. It was made several decades ago, and thus contains a whole bunch of interviews from people of that time period.

[–]Shabingly 147ポイント148ポイント  (15子コメント)

I would also recommend Sins of our Fathers, which is pretty much exactly about what the OP is asking.

edit/ spelling

[–]plazmablu 19ポイント20ポイント  (13子コメント)

The World At War is incredible, such a great record of the greatest tragedy in human history.

[–]V3ryL3git 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

My grandfather served in the Navy in WW2, still kicking at 92

[–]LWZRGHT [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But I think that's the point. So he would've been 21ish in 1945 when the War ended. Nobody that age for any country was making policy decisions.

[–]sourcecodesurgeon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He was also 21 when the war ended. Which is what was mentioned - anyone who wasn't a low ranking member is dead now. At 21 he would still have been a low ranking person (E-3 or E-4 probably)

[–]annoyingone 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Also read "The Forgotten Soldier" by Guy Sajer. It young German soldiers' account of being the on Russian front. It is a tough read but very well done.

[–]beepbloopbloop 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are still many people around who knew soldiers well though. Their stories are important.

[–]TinnedBox 298ポイント299ポイント  (47子コメント)

Ex girlfriend's grandfather was SS. When I met him, he said to her 'sad he's British, but at least that's better than Jewish or Muslim.'

[–]Socially_numb [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

At least he had that whole endoctrination excuse going for him. My family threw their shit when I brought a muslim gf at a family event (now an ex). They weren't nazis, just shitty people.

[–]glassfrenchfries 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

I happen to have a great great grandfather whom i know nothing about, i only heard of him and what he did through my mother who heard it through her father who still knew barely anything besides that he was a general, he never went to America however his wife left him with his kids to America before the war even ended (illegally i believe) since then I've been trying to find out more about him but it hasn't really been working, my family has literally removed his face from any picture he was in and his name is whited out of anything that would have it, he was literally removed from our history and it seems virtually impossible to figure out who he is.

[–]dal_segno 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you have documents and they literally blanked out the name with white-out, you should be able to somewhat view it by holding the document up to strong light and looking through the back. Or you can very carefully scratch at the white-out, it's usually pretty brittle.

You may also be able to get his name from public birth records if you look up your great grandfather.

[–]paperconservation101 366ポイント367ポイント  (29子コメント)

my SOs grandad was conscripted in the Germany Army at the end of the war. As he was only 17-18 in 1944 he would of grown up under Hitler. He knew no other world.

After the war he and his wife jumped onto a boat to the other side of the world. Once they arrived they stopped speaking German. He never spoke of his war experiences until a few years before his death and only small things. His own children didnt know he was in the German Army until much much later.

I looked up the timing and where he was from. He would have experienced the Russian invasion. I understand why they never spoke of it.

From what my SO said the man never showed any racism towards anyone. Ever. That is pretty good going for a man who spent almost all of his formative years under Hitler.

[–]Faghs 181ポイント182ポイント  (20子コメント)

You could say that about anybody growing up during that time anywhere. racism was prevalent in America too the only difference was that we weren't genociding people because of it. Jesse Owens is a prime example of this during the olympics. Today everybody remembers him as a god send that Americans loved when in reality after the olympics were over he was treated with just as much prejudice as everyone else. "I wasn't invited up to shake hands with Hitler- but I wasn't invited to the White House to shake hands with the President, either." ~Jesse Owens

[–]Kasofa 130ポイント131ポイント  (4子コメント)

racism was prevalent in America too the only difference was that we weren't genociding people because of it.

Yeah we'd already gotten the natives out of our system a hundred years earlier

[–]csgregwer 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just watched Race, and it's a great movie with a lot of insight into how Owens was treated. In the movie, he's forced to enter a dinner in his own honor from the back door because he's black.

[–]NiMkoTlaGi 77ポイント78ポイント  (13子コメント)

My grandma was still a child at the end of the war so she didn't partake in any way really, but my mother does say that she never really talked about it and generally doesn't like talking about inconvenient topics which she associates with her having lived in that time

[–]shouldaUsedAThroway 23ポイント24ポイント  (12子コメント)

I'm sure it's really hard to talk about for anyone with ties to that period. Which makes me appreciate the fact that German students must visit a concentration camp to graduate. I can't quite find an adjective to describe how it felt being there. It speaks for itself really.

Edit: "requirement" may be the wrong word, but I'm reading that most German students end up visiting one someway or another.

[–]Mistersqueezleweezle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't know where you got that from but it is in no ways a necessity to visit one. But in history classes the Nazi regime is really a dominant theme.

[–]Michaiahjoy22 106ポイント107ポイント  (6子コメント)

I had a great grandpa who was a spokes man for Hitler and from what my dad says went to his grave with some deep secrets. And had a great great Uncle who was an S.S. Officer.... it's Completely ignored... you don't bring it up. Sadly some of my family on that side are neo-natzis and see nothing wrong with what took place... others are ashamed but will not talk about it.

[–]decipedetimes10 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

My wife's grandmother lived in a town in eastern Poland (she and her family are ethnic Ukrainians) during the war. She was about 14 at the time and remembers vividly the various armies coming through in either direction. Her father spoke German so the officers often stayed at her house.

In her stories, she always made a very distinct difference between the "Nazis" and the "SS".

"The Nazis" she would say, "were gentlemen. Paid for everything they took and took care of everything they used and they were very kind."

The SS, on the other hand, only brought death, threats, and destruction.

Her village experienced:

  1. The Nazis going east
  2. The SS going east
  3. The Soviets Heading west
  4. And the Stepan Banderas guerilla fighters
  5. The KGB chasing the guerillas

Exhausting.

First time I met her she laughed until she cried. At 87 years old. I loved that woman.

[–]paper_wasp 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

My grandmother was a small child during the war in Germany. She used to tell us the story of playing with her dolls in her room and looking out the window down the barrel of an American tank with five soldiers inside/on top of it. My great grandmother was so excited the Americans were there she cooked them a full meal while they bounced my grandmother on their knee and played. I can't imagine being a small child and having a tank roll upon your house.

[–]wurzn 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was astill a little kid when my great-grandfather died, so we didn't talked about topic.

Only found some photos of him later with his company in front of trains and at airfields, nothing remarkable.

as other stated, you are asking it too late, many who lived during that time and served are already dead a long time

[–]Arxxes 117ポイント118ポイント  (96子コメント)

None of my Grandparents are old enough to have been involved. You have to be 71 years old if you were born in 1945 when the war ended. So in order to have some sort of memory of the time I'd say they must have been at least 10 in 1945 which would mean that they're 81 today. So you propably have a range of 81 to 85 year old people who still remember something but with the perspective of a pre puberty kid. How much politics do you remember from the time you were 10?

That being said, growing up in germany you'll watch documentaries and interviews of time witnesses one way or another and hear about their thoughts and feelings of the nazis, which to cut it short mostly boils down to "we didn't and couldn't know how horribly wrong they were...".

[–]HEY_GIRLS_PM_ME_TOES 85ポイント86ポイント  (80子コメント)

Gota think around the time Hitler came to power Germany had a horrible economy and no national pride. He gave pretty speeches and promised to fix all that.

[–]LorenaBobbedIt 126ポイント127ポイント  (53子コメント)

He made Germany great again. Evil, but great.

[–]HEY_GIRLS_PM_ME_TOES 28ポイント29ポイント  (33子コメント)

Didn't mean to make the comparison to Trump. The Versailles Treaty pretty much handicapped Germany to regain any power.

[–]SoundBearier 41ポイント42ポイント  (14子コメント)

He also killed Hitler.

[–]plazmablu 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mussolini, on the other hand, doesn't have the honour of killing himself. Italy turned on him rather quickly.

[–]Arxxes 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

Mostly this. During this time, it was totally reasonable to be proud of your country and have a nationalistic slightly right winged world view. Every country during that time, even america, was like that. The Nazis just took it a step further and alot of people couldn't or didn't want to realise what was happening around them.

[–]queenofthera 32ポイント33ポイント  (3子コメント)

During this time, it was totally reasonable to be proud of your country and have a nationalistic slightly right winged world view. Every country during that time, even america, was like that.

America is still like that.

[–]plazmablu 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Difference these days is that there are a lot more people who criticise the nation openly whereas it was frowned upon to not have a jingoistic love of the USA, particularly in the 50s during the Red Scare.

[–]smileedude 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this question relies on people remembering their grandparents. I'm sure many redditors experienced this even if that grandparent is no longer with them.

[–]annoyingone 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

This makes me sad because soon there will be no one alive that remembers any bit of that war. It will become another unrelatable event of history for the younger generations. While we have recorded interviews and movie footage a certain aspect of "realism" will be lost forever. Kinda like the anti-vaxer movement if fueled by those who dont remember the thousands and thousand who used to die from diseases.

[–]callmebangarang 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was 10 when 9/11 happened, so I'd like to think I would remember a fair amount, even if I was 80+ y.o.

[–]ikAAA 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

My grandpa was 15 when he had to go to war. Goes without saying that it wasn't his own decision at this age. He was imprisoned by frenchs in 1945 and was able to flee back to Germany til the war was over. It was anyway a really depressing time for him and I didn't ask a lot about the time because I had the feeling he moved on.

[–]wurstel 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm not german or austrian but I live in Vienna. I asked my colleagues exactly this question the other day and the answer I got was the following: People don't talk about this that much anymore, but the old people that were involved in the nazi party or even worse sending off jews to concentration camps and also knew what they were doing don't really feel any guilt now. The reason for that is that, at that time, that was the norm - it wasn't the "wrong" thing to do back then so they don't feel they did anything wrong. Edit: I mean they know now that what they did was wrong but back then it wasn't really wrong so they don't feel any collective guilt somehow.

[–]RamenAndEgg 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Austria is quite different to Germany in that regard, having the excuse of being "forced" into the "Anschluss". Vienna especially, having a deeply ingrained idea of "betterness" and a very right- wing high society.

Basically everywhere where there is money, wou'll find someone who has parents / grandparents who were connected to the regime, making money off it. People keep memorabilia even though they are illegal to own. They will justify and deny any wrongdoing, painting their parents/ grandparents as victims, not perpetrators.

Many Uni professors in the 90's and 00's were known Nazi Sympathiser, and even high ranking SS officers in their day. Many politicians have been, or still are, members of "Studentenverbindungen", student clubs which are very closely connected to the new Nazis (Strache, Hofer, ...) and have been under obeservation more than once by the government for their right- wing views.

[–]pvbob 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

My grandfather flew a Messerschmidt fighter. Specifically to intercept british bomber planes. His plane was totaled when fe basically flew into a bomb/a bomb dropped onto his plane. He fell, opened his parachute and survived with an amputated arm to around the age of 78.

Not sure how he spoke of the whole thing, because I was 7 when he died, he would only really talk to my dad about it but him, being a veteran of a different war himself, never really told me what they talked about.

My grandmother lived in Silesia, which is Poland today and was hiding in bunkers from first Nazis, then from the Russians iirc. She was a little girl at the time, around 15 years younger than my grandfather, they met years after the war. She would speak ill of the Nazis and the Russians, and is still racists towards Russians today.

[–]Nightwisher1 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

My grandfather fought in the war and survived through the entire thing. He has a couple amazing stories of when he was a POW, if anyone wants to hear.

We treated him no differently than we would have if he had grown up in Canada his whole life. It's not a thing anyone held against him, and what would we do if we did? Excommunicate him from the family? Ridiculous.

[–]coldmtndew 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah I'd be interested In hearing them

[–]Nightwisher1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well, the one I remember most clearly is after he got captured the first time (somewhere along the Eastern front I think), he escaped at night. Nothing major, just slipped out and ran for it. Well, naturally they caught him and brought him back. Well, my grandfather just didn't wanna stay, so he escaped again (I forget how the second time). Well, luck wasn't with him and they caught him again.

But the third time, what he did is he slipped out under the cover of night when a train was rolling in (probably bringing supplies). He got underneath the train so his head was barely off the ground and strapped himself to the undercarriage using his belt. The man held on for a whole day while that train took off, and all he had with him were his clothes and a little flashlight. Made it all the way home and then left to Canada when the war ended.

[–]SirAntonius 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Most people who answer seem to be born in the US and dont even answer the question but just tell their grandparents story.

As a german Millennium i would say while my generation was openly talking about it because we learned about it in school my parents were much more silent about it since they had still witnessed some of the aftermath.

Thats why in many cases grandparents would actually tell thier grandchildren their experiences because we were alot more open minded about it.

Generally 90% of all men did not join because they had to and those who did did not commit any war crimes so they would tell the stories like an american ww2 veteran. Those 10% who were in the SS or comitted war crimes i dont know about.

So in General the topic is nowadays openly spoken about at least for those who were just soliders or teenagers. Those who were criminals keep it a secret since you are still pursued for it if it would come out.

[–]maurosQQ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think most people had an idea that something was going on. My grandpa was a child at the time and they lived near Hadamar, where they killed mentally disabled and burned them. He says that people knew sort of what was going on, but that there was a big blanket of silence. He once told me, that he asked his father why thick black smoke came from the hospital in the city. His father slapped him for the question and told him not to ask about it anymore.

[–]DieMikrowelle [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

my grandfather was a pilot in ww II. he didn't do it because he was a nazi (he wasn't) but because one day a consultant came into his school and said: "i beg each and every one of you to join the airforce. not because you have to win the war - it's already lost. everyone knows. but if you don't join you will be forcefully put into the volkssturm. we all know what that means." so my grandpa joined the airforce.

after flying for 2 weeks he was shot down and taken into jail by the brits. he always told me how very nice they were. having him and his friends jump into the river and swim down a few hundred meters to take him out again and let him run up to make him jump in again. what a great game! so much fun! i was 12 when he told me. it took me a lot of time to realize that this was no great fun. it was torture. he would never admit to it though. afterall he "lived through it so you don't have to".

my grandpa dreads talking about the war. and even more he dreads talking about his father who - although not an active nazi - was a huge admirer of hitler's. he once met him apparently and raved about it to my dad when my dad was 6 years old. that was the last time my dad has ever heard of my great grandfather because my grandpa was not gonna have a nazi around his kids. to this day my grandpa is very ashamed of his father and will never speak of him. i only know my grandpa cut him out because my father told me.

my grandpa will turn 90 this year. he's of good health and i hope he'll make it through many more years. he's a wise and blunt man when it comes to hitler and the war.

he once told me a very memorable story: "people that claim not having known about the holocaust are liars. we all knew. we knew something was happening to the jews. they just disappeared. we knew it had to be horrific but we were paralyzed by fear. people don't lie because they want to look better. they lie because they can't stomach that they didn't do anything. nobody can stomach that. we let them die in those camps. we knew. we were just too cowardly to stand up and fight for our own neighbours. our lies are just the protection from our own darkest and biggest regret."

[–]Shockwave98- 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just a piece of thought of a Russian Teenager living in Germany.

Wether these Grandparents supported the Nazi Philosophy or if they were "forced" into it is impossible to prove. Many claim that they had to do what they've been told to do and that they wanted to avoid any trouble with the regime, thus most families look over whatever their Grandparents might have done and/or Supported. Though, with the recent upswing of the Right Wing in Germany it's nice to see the eldery speaking up against it.

[–]HulloFolks 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not German, but my Great grandfather was a lieutenant in SS and fought in the Finland War. He was a huge asshole according to my dad. It was never talked about to my dad and he only found out when he was doing some research for a play he was writing last year. He found a book titled "list nr. 1 of suspects of major crimes against the country" (Norway) in a bookstore and looked up our last name for fun. He had a long talk with his parents that day.

[–]RoikaLoL 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

My great grandfather was a doctor during the time of the Third Reich. He always was very clear about how the Nazis were the biggest catastrophe that could've happened to Germany. Also, he claimed that he wouldn't join the Nazi party, even when the "Ärztekammer" (something like medical council/chamber or medical association) tried to pressure him into it.

After he died my grandmother and other relatives went through his stuff and surprisingly found a membership certificate that stated that he was a member of the party afterall, even though he told everyone his whole life that he never was.

That kinda shocked everybody and it left a bitter taste in many mouths, since nobody was able to ask him why. Maybe he was threatened? Maybe he just joined because he thought they were doing the right thing? Nobody knows, and we never will.

It really struck a chord in me when I heard because he was a very smart and educated man. I never saw a flicker of racism or xenophobia in him, but I always wonder why he lied about it? Maybe it was shame, I have no idea.

[–]Flamin_Jesus 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends on the family and the individuals involved, but I'd wager a guess that there's some awkwardness around the subject in every family.

In my paternal family, my late grandfather was a navy man who wasn't involved in any atrocities and barely any fighting (he served on a minesweeper and submarine service ship), and to the best of my knowledge he wasn't a fervent follower of the NSDAP, so it wasn't a big deal. He'd sometimes tell war stories, but it wasn't really awkward because they didn't involve anything shameful or dishonorable. My grandma only ever talks about how it was after the war, probably because she was a young girl still living with her parents (or more accurately, mother) in 45.

On my maternal side, things are a little different, my grandfather died before I was born, but from what I hear it's likely he suffered from severe PTSD, he was a violent man in a time where such a thing was still considered socially acceptable. My grandmother on the other hand.... Well, my mother has a load of unresolved issues when it comes to her, and part of that is that she has a bit of a tendency to defend Hitler and the third Reich, for the most part they evade the issue, but I've experienced more than one Christmas dinner that ended in a screaming match between the two. My grandmother has a hard time acknowledging that the Reich did anything wrong, my mother has a hard time acknowledging that they did anything right, so you have someone screaming about progressive social reforms on one side (which is true), and someone screaming about genocide and pointless wars (which is also true), while the rest of the family can't do much more than ask them to let the matter rest, because they're never going to talk that one out.

[–]Scramming_Oscar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Related: the fiance of my grandmother was shot 2 weeks before the liberation during work for the resistance. He was recognized by soldiers, arrested and shot during his escape.

My grandmother never talked about him (only once), but continued to visit his grave. She is 94 now, so her health prevents her, she would otherwise still go

[–]FancioPantsio [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My great-grandfather was deployed in the German army, where he was stationed in the Soviet Union (don't know where exactly) during the war. He took a week off to get married to my great-grandmother. When he came back, he learnt his entire 10 man-squad died from an explosion and he was the last survivor from the group. He was 20 years old. My grandfather was not a nazi soldier, almost none of them were. They were German soldiers. They fought for their country, not for the socialist party. You don't call a US veteran a democratic soldier. But what's the environment like? We talk about it like Americans talk about US soldiers, occasionally. There are some really interesting stories to tell if anyone cares. Though I have to sleep, so maybe when I wake up.

[–]Priamosish [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

My great-grandfather was a sergeant of the Wehrmacht, first stationed in the Netherlands and then in the East. He was later deported to a Siberian gulag and his family in Silesia were "re-educated" under the Polish regime. He came back a decade later and went on to live with his family in Western Germany, became a policeman and died from a heart attack in his 60s. His children all spoke Polish exclusively and had a hard time feeling at ease with him at first because they were 16-19 already and didn't remember him.

He had joined the German Army before Hitler to have a safe income and the possibility to build up a family. None of us sees him as a nazi, he was merely a guywho tried to provide for his family. My grandma says he was conservative but not a nazi. He always secretely gave chocolate and sweets to my dad (who was 4 at the time) and played cowboy and indian with him. To this day my grandma has a family picture on her desk of him in his uniform before he had left to the East.

[–]IHans_ILanda 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My two grand parents who are still alive are both 86 and only talk about the later stage of the war and that they suffered under it quite a bit. My grandmother likes to tell the story of how she needed to flee and so her parents sent her to another family, what was quite a common practice, and how their train got attacked by planes. She tells also about how much she liked her guest family and how well they treated her and still made education possible for her for what she's really thankful. Only once she mentioned that she quite liked the activities that were done in the BDM like singing, hiking and camping trips as well as all the sport.

My grandfather only once told me the story of how he was in the HJ and supposed to join the Waffen SS once he got older but his father sent him away so that he doesn't have too, he then became a driver for a German Officer for a short period of time and later was tasked with bringing the fleeing children from point A to point B. Because of all that he couldn't go to school a lot and didn't go last the 8th grade and doesn't have any school records whatsoever.

My grandfather rarely talks though and if it's mostly about how he didn't receive any education and started a schooling to become a plumber and how he met my grandmother but even on those stories he doesn't elaborate much as my grandmother interrupts frequently to tell how she had to flee etc. They are both a bit senile and it sometimes is better sometimes it's worse. In my opinion everybody should talk to their grand parents as much as possible and ask them what they want to know as the last people that witnessed the Second World War are about to be gone forever so that all records will be second hand.

But to answer your question: it generally isn't talked about that they lived under the NS-Regime as the conversations usually revolve around more current topics if the entire family is present, at least in my case.

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From my mothers side I only really can remember my grandfather as my grandmother from that side died very early in my life but he did avoid to talk about all this only once for a school project he told me under tears how he was ordered to assist a FlaK by helping the loader and remove the rotting corpses of cattle and other farm animals as they were polluting the air, he saw three people dying and was in Great Britain as a POV for two years. He was 12. He never told anyone else this and this was the only time I saw him crying.

[–]funkenstein_1 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

My grandfather was Wehrmact 9th army and was with them until the unit was destroyed at kursk. He got the ostfront medal, EK2, close combat clasp, wound badge (bronze) and infantry assault clasp. He was a Feldwebel (Field promotion). Our family are very proud of him and his service. He was a regular from 1935 and wasn't a party member. We all think of him surviving those winters in Russia more than the combat actions - truly a "man of Iron" to have lived through that hell as well as Rhezev, Kursk and Moscow and survive those battles. It all ended august 1943 in a remote field in northern Poland where he fell. We feel no shame because he was a soldier - not a Nazi.

[–]2bitinternet 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's part of our history and everyone has a relative who was involved in the third reich. It was hard not to be.

My grandfather was a member of the socialist (not national socialist) party that became forbidden when the nazis took over. He had the choice: prison or military. He was tall and blonde - "aryan" how they used to call it. They offered him to join the SS (special military unit) after his basic training what sounded like a good deal to him. After all, that meant extra training, more money and not having to go to the frontline for at least another 6 month. When he finally was deployed, the germans were losing ground in france. They were losing the war. He knew that, his friends knew that and his troup knew that. So he and a couple of his army friends surrendered to the first american/british soldiers they met. He was a POW for two years because of his involvement with the SS. After that, he went home and got his life back together.

I get why he did what he did - he never was a fan of what was happening but he saw chances and took them. According to him, he never fired a single shot on the battlefield and although he wasn't proud of what he did, he certainly was proud of that.

[–]BigSteffen 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My grandpa was born in 1920 and thus in the "Hitler Jugend", the army, and so on. Since he died when I was young, I only know some information about what he did and what he experienced. Interestingly I got to read some of his letters he wrote to his family during war, which show a slightly diffrent perspective:

  • He told me, that he was a medic, and that he was happy to not have to fight

  • in his letter he wrote, that he as a "deutscher Mann" (german man) has to defend his homeland and "es ist eine Schande, dass ich nicht an der Front kämpfen darf" (it is a shame, that he is not allowed to fight on the fore)

  • he showed me a picture of him and his comrades and started to tear up, when he told me "alle von ihnen sind gefallen, ich habe keinen wiedergesehen" (they all died, I never saw anyone of them again)

  • in his letters he just wrote "an jeder Front wird gewonnen" (on every fore we win)

These things quite sticked to me, even though he told me this/I read this about 13 years ago. Furthermore he was never racist, but, as far as I heard from my family, was not a nice man.

[–]Akraya 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My mothers side is Austrian and I'll try and retell as best I can.

Her father was in the Hitler youth which was pretty dismal, one pair of shoes a year, barely enough rations/food to survive on. Her great-grandfather was in the Austrian army, we have a picture of him in uniform, swastikas and all.

From what I understand from talking about it with my mother, they didn't have a choice whether or not to be in Hitler youth or the army, it was like conscription.

As her great-grandfather got older he would have flashbacks and he would take all the books in the house and burn them in the backyard.

My family doesn't really talk openly about it, it wasn't a good time for my family and I can only get these stories from my mother. She used to talk to her grandmother about it and she told stories of hiding food and livestock in the woods so the army wouldn't take them, and about the nearby caves where there was a lot of people hiding. My mother also has stories of finding bullet casings, mines and knives in the local lakes when she was younger.

[–]FreedomWaterfall 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My grandfather was part of the Hitlerjugend, but only joined, when not joining was sorta punished. Like weaker grades and such.

When he was 14, in 1945, he was ordered to the frontline, where the US troops were approaching the Rhine, about 30 kilometers from our hometown. When he arrived, he saw that the massive artillery wasn't firing at an angle, to cover more distance, they were firing horizontally over the river. When my grandfather realized this meant either death or becoming a pow, he deserted and ran the 30 something kilometers home, with two of his best friends.

He's been very vocal about his disgust with the regime to me an my sister, his fear about being caught and hanged when he was running for his life from the front. He's only opened up in revent years, as he's getting older.

So technically he was part of the regime, but an unwilling one, it's not often spoken about, because it hurts him a lot when he does, so we let him pick the moments.

[–]Chapstickflap [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well, my opa was drafted and we realize that most germans didn't really have the option to not be part of the nazi system. But it is troubbling that the AFD party is using a lot of the same rhettoric the nazis used when they were rising. I hope we don't make the same mistake we made then.

[–]RealisticPatriot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My great grandfather was a guard at Auschwitz during the war. I never got to meet him but his son my grandfather tells the story pretty well. My Great grandad Gustavez was a guard and my great grandma ended up getting interned because she was a practicing Jew of all Jewish heritage.

Great grandad ended up falling for my great grandma during the internment and he fell for her hard. He decided that it was worth the risk to make a go of it and he stole her away during a dark night and they began their journey to America.

They ended up migrating across America to Las Angeles, where my great grandparents would settle. Gustavez was also an artist and ended up meeting and working for Walt Disney as the head painter of the backdrops for Disney movies. Most backdrops from the 1950's Disney movies were hand painted by my great grandpa, my aunt still has a few of the original backdrops in her house.

Both of my great grandparents lived until right before I was born in 1990 so unfortunately I didn't get to hear the story from Gustavez himself.