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Libertarians: what's wrong with taking a Rodrigo Duterte-like approach to crime? (self.Libertarian)

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The famously dangerous streets of Manila are safe for the first time in anyone memory, and Duterte's approval rating is over 90%. I've had two Filipino uber drivers in recent days and both raved about how awesome he is. Why not have a Philippines-style purge of violent criminals in the USA?

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[–]ninjaluvrlibertarian party 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't feed the troll.

[–]worstdamnday 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Is this a serious question? First not all drug dealers deserve to die. Second I bet a lot of innocent people are being killed. Third Duerte now has a license to kill. The real question is how they allowed themselves to get in that mess in the first place. Most countries don't need to go out & slaughter it's citizens.

[–]sotomayormccheese[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

I bet a lot of innocent people are being killed.

Filipinos are saying that's not happening.

[–]worstdamnday 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sure

[–]sotomayormccheese[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

He has a 91% approval rating.

[–]worstdamnday 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Give it time

[–]sotomayormccheese[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

We already have. He did the same thing when he was mayor of Davao and and it was so successful he became a national hero. That's how he became president.

He also just got a norweigian hostage released by islamists. Here is the hostage thanking Duterte:

http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2016/09/19/norwegian-kjartan-sekkingstad-duterte.html

[–]worstdamnday 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you hired for propaganda?

[–]sotomayormccheese[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm flattered that your find my comments worthy of remuneration.

[–]QR5609 0ポイント1ポイント  (17子コメント)

So you want the government to start killing people. That sounds like a dictatorship not a libertarian state.

[–]dbcspace 0ポイント1ポイント  (15子コメント)

Isn't it part of the deal that the Philippine government has promised not to prosecute civilians who murder drug dealers?

[–]Spooky2000 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

Is that really much different than the government doing the killing? "Hey, you guys should really just kill people. We won't punish you or anything..."

[–]dbcspace 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I see it as two totally different things, but I can see where you're coming from.

This is more of a situation where the government is letting the "market" decide who should live and who should die on the streets, instead of coming in with its' own monopoly of force and making the decisions.

[–]Spooky2000 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is more of a situation where the government is letting the "market" decide who should live and who should die on the streets, instead of coming in with its' own monopoly of force and making the decisions.

So just kill whoever you want and no issues with the government.. That's called anarchy. This is not a different thing because the government specifically told people to kill other people.

[–]dbcspace 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Anarchy implies no government.

And it's not "kill whoever you want". In this situation, kill somebody for the right reason, and government doesn't punish you. I see it as very similar to Stand Your Ground laws.

I do see where you're coming from, though- you're saying the gov is urging the citizenry to act as its' agents to carry out its' will.

I'd say that applies only in the case of drug dealers because the laws say drugs are illegal... then again, who's to say the community wouldn't take it upon themselves to execute drug dealers the same way it would a rapist or murderer?

[–]Spooky2000 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

In this situation, kill somebody for the right reason, and government doesn't punish you. I see it as very similar to Stand Your Ground laws.

Are the drug dealers actively attacking people? If that's the case, then I am all for it. From what I understand, the government gave free reign to go out and shoot people that they considered drug dealers. That is a totally different scenario than stand your ground laws. Stand your ground laws don't give you the right to hunt someone down.

[–]dbcspace 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Even in the case of drugs, the government is basically allowing the marketplace of ideas in the community decide who lives and who dies. If people don't think drug dealers are a threat, they're not going to kill them. If they do... well, they won't be punished for doing so.

Remember, this government says "you may", not "you must".

Stand your ground laws don't give you the right to hunt someone down.

It's funny you said that, because I had written very much the same thing, then deleted it so as not to be so wordy :)

I see it as very similar to Stand Your Ground laws, except with SYG you can't just go up and shoot someone you know to be a violent criminal or drug dealer.

[–]Spooky2000 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even in the case of drugs, the government is basically allowing the marketplace of ideas in the community decide who lives and who dies. If people don't think drug dealers are a threat, they're not going to kill them. If they do... well, they won't be punished for doing so.

Still trying to figure out how this is acceptable in any way? Could you imagine the shitstorm that would happen here if any President/ candidate came out and said that we should start doing this?

[–]dbcspace 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, it's not acceptable at all.

[–]sotomayormccheese[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's not the same thing because private citizens don't have a monopoly on violence.

[–]Spooky2000 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

So what you're saying is that it's just fine to be killed as long as it's not from the government? You're not making much sense..

[–]sotomayormccheese[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm just asking libertarians what's wrong with the way the Philippones solved it's crime problem. So far they've been unable to answer the question.

[–]Spooky2000 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

So you would be fine with the same happening here? If Obama went on tv and told people to go out and kill people with no repercussions, that would be Ok with you? Isn't that what the movie the Purge is about? the government giving free reign for a certain amount of time.. That's a horror movie by the way.

[–]sotomayormccheese[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

So you would be fine with the same happening here?

No, I love street crime.

[–]Spooky2000 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, you keep selling your goods on the corner then...

[–]sotomayormccheese[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just love the diversity it brings to our neighborhoods.

[–]sotomayormccheese[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The government doesn't seem to be doing most of the killing in the Philippines.

[–]readonlypdfminarchist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes because murdering drug dealers and gang members creates safety.

I mean the Government isn't doing much, but they are encouraging it.

The reason is that my neighbor could have a beef with me, kill me put some weed in my pocket and claim I was a drug dealer.

[–]sotomayormccheese[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes because murdering drug dealers and gang members creates safety.

Well that's exactly what it's doing in the Philippines, according to people who live there. People are saying they can go out safely at night for the first time in their lives.