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    [–]jinkop[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There is truth to what you have said. That's why I mentioned the "vagina tingles".

    [–]icyhot39 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you lose that frame, she loses that feeling

    I don't think that it can be stressed enough. Maintaining that frame for24/7/365 for 40 years isn't likely. It also should be understood that maintenance of frame isn't the only input into a woman's tingles algorithm.

    I for one have better things to do.

    [–][deleted] 37ポイント38ポイント  (23子コメント)

    I think it goes even deeper, I think it's evolutionary. It a man "loves" a woman, in the caveman days, that means he will provide for her and their offspring. It makes sense that those men who nourished their young into maturity often had the best chance of survival. Repeat ad nauseum. Men needed to love women so that women and children could survive.

    Women however, have no reason to love men. All she needs to do is attract a high status man who can provide. There's the catch. She doesn't need to love you, and she doesn't, she just needs to understand how to successfully manipulate you into provision. Also love from women would also be bad for them, because men were so likely to die or get injured, they had to be ready at moment's notice to jump onto another man for provision. Because it happened all the time. Hence branch-swinging in the modern day, not leaving until another man is there.

    [–]BadTrees 23ポイント24ポイント  (17子コメント)

    Stupid logical evolution. It makes life seem so fucking cold. All the more reason to MGTOW I suppose.

    [–]jinkop[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Allow me to direct you to one of the best MGTOWs on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/barbarossaaaa/videos?flow=grid&view=0&sort=p

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      [–]icyhot39 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Hm, apparently we need a term for the shaming of men when they don't want to have children (and children are yet another female imperative).

      If you want kids, have them, but don't delude yourself into thinking you're creating a legacy. Just like hypergamy, the universe doesn't care. You'll have no say in your children's genetic/breeding choices. Your fine choice of a genetic mate can be undone in one generation.

      I for one didn't asked to be created. I didn't have a choice. My parents, wanting to protect their legacy, pester me for children as well as for what they hope will be care in their old age. I owe them nothing, I owe the universe nothing.

      [–][deleted] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

      This isn't fucking tumblr, we don't need new goddamned terms for shaming people.

      I am absolutely creating a legacy. I am amassing wealth and property, I am having kids I will raise, who will share some portion of my mindset, though obviously not that much.

      I don't give a fuck who they breed with. Why would I? I'm a race mixed miscegenator myself. My kids can breed with whomever they deem compatible; I just hope to give them some of the tools they need to sort that out.

      Not everyone needs to create a family, sure, I understand that. I'm being a little hyperbolic with my posts. I will say that, for those who choose to do so, it is not going to be easy, or pleasurable. The rewards will be abstract and on some days it's not going to feel like there is any reward at all. But after I am dead, ripples of my action and agency will continue in the world for a lot longer than if I just narcissistically focused on my own appearance and pleasure until I die.

      [–]icyhot39 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      But after I am dead, ripples of my action and agency will continue in the world for a lot longer than if I just narcissistically focused on my own appearance and pleasure until I die.

      I've had the same discussion with my father, who maintains that not having children is selfish. I maintain that having children and building a legacy is about as narcissistic as it gets, just on a different time frame.

      I hope you get what you want. Nonetheless, TRP, for me, is about challenging ideologies, children & legacy being one of them.

      [–][deleted] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's just a different form of narcissism, though.

      [–]BadTrees -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Good posts.

      Maybe I'm too young and neurotic to be worrying about that anyways.

      [–]PlebDestroyer 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      and then when you hit your own male SMV wall in your late forties, you're just going to...what? Turn into a pumpkin?

      No i'm going to hop on the juice.

      [–]Iupvoteforknowledge 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Amen. Soon as I feel older I'm going to the doc and being like bro gimmi dat TRT. #swoleatsixty

      [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

      but it doesn't matter how great you become if you die with nobody to continue your legacy.

      We are 15-20 years away from physical immortality. For those who will be able to afford it.

      We are 1-2 generations away from technological singularity/superintelligence. Your personal genetic legacy is irrelevant in the long-term.

      So riding the wave of sollipsism and going your own way, enjoying this little patch of freedom that we have is the most rational thing to do. Fuck society and its expectations.

      [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I've read Kurzweil. I'm a big fan of Eliezer Yudkowsky, Moravec, Minsky, and others.

      But that immortality is a hell of a lot further away than you think. You're way too optimistic. When it does happen, it will only be for the very rich for a long, long time.

      Don't count on it for yourself. The next generation might have a chance, but I'm guessing more like my grandkids.

      [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You're too pessimistic. No one can predict the next 5 years, let alone 20-25. The technology is moving too fast. It's just a matter of time.

      [–]MahagonyXY -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

      There is no immortality. Statistically, as time approaches infinity, your chances of death approach 1, and the is a limited amount of energy in the universe available to do work. At some point, the universe will be nothing but a cold, dark, lifeless gas of elementary particles, and all creations, man-made or otherwise, will be erased by entropy.

      [–]Iupvoteforknowledge 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Unless the big crunch and ensuing bang theory is true yes. It's nice to think that gravitational pulls will crunch all matter into something so small the big bang will occur again and again for all time but its almost like hoping for reincarnation.

      [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We can already 3D-print organs, sequence genome, undergo gene therapy, regenerate every type of tissue from stem cells... Complete physically immortality is just a matter of time.

      What you're speaking of is statistics and parameters of the universe - for all practical purposes these are irrelevant. You know what I meant.

      At some point, the universe will be nothing but a cold, dark, lifeless gas of elementary particles, and all creations, man-made or otherwise, will be erased by entropy.

      Let there be light.

      [–]fapuffin 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Also love from women would also be bad for them, because men were so likely to die or get injured, they had to be ready at moment's notice to jump onto another man for provision.

      This makes sense, but I've never heard about this anywhere but on TRP. Any one have any articles that talk about this happening back in cave man times?

      [–]guraski 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think you're right. Also, I think the word "love" is just the word we assign for an evolutionary hard - wiring of our brains. Love is more like a personal self- comfort. The status quo being safe and livable.

      [–]Baylien2 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This is why monogamous relationships are a waste of time if you don't intend to have children with the woman you're with

      [–]Endorsed Contributorjsl2837 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The premise is Red Pill 101, so it's nothing new. This is the central tenet of the 'Women in Love' article in the sidebar.

      But to say MGTOW is the best prescription? This is very subjective. If it works for you, sure why not. But it may not work, or even fail miserably, for others.

      There are MGTOWs who believe sexual intimacy is an impossible dream given the limitations of woman. It's a more subtle form of delusion. The results are not immediate. The results only become apparent many years later.

      The whole point of Game is to minimize the bad and maximize the good in your dealings with women. There's an extremist faction of MGTOWs who reject the possibility of meaningful sexual intimacy -- categorically. It's impossible only if you want a woman to love you like you love yourself. In reality the adoration of a woman for a man who tingles her can be a very spiritually (and physically) fulfilling experience for the man, even if it's transitory and unreliable.

      Look at Mark Minter for example. He was a hardline MGTOW who swore up and down that he would NEVER EVER commit to a woman, until he gave up and married a post-Wall woman in his fifties, for lack of options, and mostly because he felt alone and unhappy. (http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2014/01/24/a-life-without-oxytocin-is-a-life-devoted-to-losing-the-game-of-life/)

      The danger of chasing self-sufficiency for the sake of self-sufficiency is that you never gain the exposure, the experience required to Game younger, attractive women. It is putting all your eggs into one basket -- 'I can be happy alone. I can be happy alone! I can be happy alone!'

      What if you're horny and lonely in your late forties -- lonely to the depths of your soul and spirit -- and you want a sexual relationship with a young hottie but you don't know how to get it? Then guess what, you are miserable. Not happy. Miserable.

      Going into Monk Mode is well and good when you're in your late twenties and early thirties, but to choose that permanently? That's a very subjective choice.

      For some omegas who are just scraping by in life, unable to attract quality women due to health/financial issues, etc, perhaps that is the wisest option. But for deltas and betas in the prime of their life? It is a self-limiting strategy.

      Game is a skill that requires enough consistent practice at the beginning such that you master the basics. Then you can afford to slack and enjoy other things in life, occasionally bringing a pretty girl into it. So the first few years of simply going out and talking to girls is very important for young men because there's a huge return on the investment. Building a strong foundation in this area also improves your self-confidence in other areas. (http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/the-numbers-game-fallacy/)

      Nobody is saying you need to do LTRs and marriage. Marriage is blue pill nonsense. Why not spin plates? Why not go to a country where the women have not gone feral yet? There has to be a better answer for men than, 'Women are fundamentally evil. We must avoid them completely. Full stop.' This is the philosophy of a doomed species that knows its time is running out.

      EDIT:

      As /u/Class-Punk pointed out, I was being rather misleading and arguing against a strawman by neglecting to mention that there are many levels of MGTOW. Sorry about that.

      Level 1, 'Situational Awareness', overlaps a lot with red pill ideas.

      Then there's Level 2, 'Rejection of long-term relationships with women'. Self-explanatory.

      Monk Mode is superficially similar to Level 3, 'Rejection of short-term relationships with women', but it's not the same. Monk Mode is about delayed gratification -- avoiding women to work on your SMV -- not "rejection".

      Hope this makes things clearer.

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        [–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

        If you are in an LTR with no kids then sure, everyone would probably leave. But if you are married, with kids, the worst you would do is cheat on your wife because you're not attracted to her sexually anymore. But you will still love her, she gives you a home, she gave you your kids etc..

        Inverse the roles and the woman will completely lose interest in you if you do nothing about your weight, she will look elsewhere for a male of higher SMV and if she finds one, she will most probably fall in love with him. And if the opportunity arises, she will divorce-rape you to be with that other man.

        Women say they want unconditional love but will leave you sooner or later if you give it to them. Men want unconditional love but can't have it.

        [–]MahagonyXY 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

        Garnering pussy is not my goal

        You're like those women who say they work out to be healthy when they still can't sit up without getting out of breath and haven't lost any weight.

        [–]jinkop[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

        So what are you saying? That a man can only be a man if he is chasing after pussy?

        [–]MahagonyXY 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

        I'm saying getting all uppity isn't becoming for an "Alpha Male".

        [–]jinkop[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

        I am warning men of the dangers that await them. You think I'm not chasing pussy only because I hate that I've been lied to about women's true colors? No, I'm not chasing pussy because I've never been the kind of man who's wanted to increase my pussy mileage.

        I was sold the Disney-Hollywood bullshit fairytales about true love, but thank God I stumbled upon a few MGTOW channels on youtube 2 years ago, and TRP subreddit a year ago. My life has been forever changed.

        So, if I wanted to chase pussy, I wouldn't let women's nature dissuade me.

        [–]Jerry_Cherry 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I was sold on the Hollywood bullshit version of love too, but that's not how it works. It's not because of men, it's not because of women, it's because that's just not how it fucking works. You don't just meet someone and perfectly click forever and everything is great. You can't blame women for the fact that you don't want to put any work into a relationship.

        [–]rpkarma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        He didn't bring up why you don't chase pussy dude, you did. Methinks you doth protest too much

        [–]JJTheJetPlane5657 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Dude, stop with the this. It's unnecessary, Reddit has its own markup..

        [–]MahagonyXY -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I don't know, it seems more likely that the problem is with you, and not an entire gender.

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          [–]MahagonyXY -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The best part about biological natures is that they change rapidly under selective pressures. We should be encouraging the passive assumption and acceptance of women as worthless parasites. Instead, we should actively select women who aren't worthless whores as breeding partners.

          [–][deleted] 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

          This is how it has always been and will always be: Love is directional, and so is honor.

          Man ---- Loves ----> Woman ---- Loves ----> Child

          Child ---- Honors ----> Woman ---- Honors ----> Man

          [–]Subtletorious 19ポイント20ポイント  (9子コメント)

          You have described the worst possible behavior of women (very true) but then become completely blind to the fickleness of men in relationships - especially men with options. Men are not a model of virtue. As the comedian Bill Burr observed; men are only well behaved due to lack of opportunity, (paraphrased) "Don't judge Tiger Woods. When the average man finishes eighteen holes of golf, the Swedish Swim Team isn't waiting to blow him."

          [–]1iluminatiNYC 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Exactly! Thank you for bringing this up so I don't have to. It seems like this sub has forgotten the existence of Men Who Ain't Worth Shit. I'm not talking about the beta dude who begs for pussy. I'm talking about the dude who will do the dip on a relationship because the pussy is available. Chris Rock did a whole routine on how a man is as faithful as his options. OP, you're only telling half a story.

          [–]1Ill_mumble_that 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

          But you are forgetting something very important. When a man cheats with another woman, he doesn't fall in love with her. He doesn't want her to be his primary gal, he just wants a piece of ass for that night. He can go right back to fucking his wife the next day completely in bliss.

          Women won't cheat on a man unless they have lost attraction to him and are looking for tingles elsewhere.

          [–]wimmyjales 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'm all for generalizations, but there are many men who leave their women for someone who at least started out as side pussy. Your point stands, but there are plenty of men who run off in affairs.

          [–]1iluminatiNYC 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Generally you're right, but you're oversimplifying things. On one hand, women can decide "Fuck relationships", go get theirs and not think for a second of love. In this case, a woman isn't going to fall in love with the man because she isn't going to fall in love with ANY dude that shows up. On the flip side, I've seen dudes upgrade the side chick to a number one and fall in love. Usually, there's some outside reason he just can't run the streets, and it isn't necessarily religion either.

          In general you're right, but let's not pretend that there aren't exceptions to the rules.

          [–]1Ill_mumble_that 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I never said there weren't exceptions to the generalization. It's obvious there are, so there's no need to bring them up every time.

          It reminds me of the slow kids in school. Teacher says "mammals always have hair" and some stupid kid raises his hand and goes "nah uh, my dog doesn't have any because we shaved it all off" or references naked mole rats or something. It's just fucking distracting.

          It's because of stupid fuckwits like that we have to put warning labels on plastic bags so the fucktards don't kill themselves on accident with them and their family sue someone.

          My solution would be to let natural selection take its course and the idiots will earn themself a Darwin award.

          [–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

          This is a point people miss often. I've found that I'm pretty awful at committed relationships since I learned that I could go out and attract women easily at the bar or whatever. Its hard to give up the chase for one person, and honestly I think relationships primarily benefit the female. Emotional support has never been something I need, but I am a rock to my girlfriend, and she needs it. Thats all that a LTR provides, other than convenient and abundant sex. But some of my buddies in 3 year relationships say they have to pound away for hours just to get there nut these days. That doesn't sound very appealing.

          [–]1iluminatiNYC -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

          So why would you say you don't need emotional support? I'm curious as to how you got there.

          [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Good question, I'm not sure. I just don't.

          [–]watersign 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I pretty much agree with all of this. my mom tries to give me dating advice...i always remind her that what women want and what they do are two different things

          [–]hunotquite 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Why do you post your own vision of life as fact and truth ? Stop lowering the level of the sub ffs

          [–]elektromonk 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Don't listen to this guy, OP. I think he's new here. Still stuck on the idea of 'fact' and 'truth' being an external thing.

          [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I think there is absolutely no scientific basis in evobio/evopsych or sociopsych for your hypothesis. love is a bonding mechanism to produce offspring and each gender has a different bunch of attributes in the partner they 'fall in love' with. men cheat just as much as women, stay just as much with disabled partners.

          yes, romantic love sprouting from some ideal rather than biology is an illusion created by romance novels and hollywood but that goes for both genders - tearing into women with unfounded hypothesis however doesn't exactly help TRP.

          probably going to get downvoted as always for questioning the broscience so prevalent on TRP but if we want this to be taken seriously we have to be able to back our shit up.

          [–]WagwanKenobi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          THANK YOU. Been lurking TRP for some time and this is the first time someone has mentioned anything about the biochemical differences in love and attraction. It seems super unlikely that there is some profound difference due to gender. Also what about homosexuality and gender-sex differences.

          Like everything else in biology and sexuality, there has to be a spectrum from Conditional love ("woman love") to Unconditional ("man's love"). There must exist at least some males and females closer to the other gender's side, which means that there are indeed women out there, albeit in the minority, who have the capacity to exhibit unconditional, take-a-bullet love for a man. r/TRP, go find such women instead of crying over how cruel the world is. The cake is not a lie.

          [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          pussy is great and pleasurable. but is not my goal either. I find working, succeeding, building an empire and all those things men have done for centuries much more thrilling.

          [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Take a look at all the men who would willingly jump in front of bullets (or other means of sudden death) and dispose their lives to save a woman. Whenever a ship starts sinking, what do manginas and SIMPs shout? "Women and children first!"

          Just to provide a bit of a counter weight to that point. I'd risk my life to protect a girl I'm with.

          Would a woman do such things? HELL NO!

          That's not the point. I get that you use this idea to show how women don't love men the way we love them, but that doesn't mean we should adapt our behavior to mirror women. Arguing this way is dangerously close to the "women and men are equal" bullshit.

          The reason I'd risk my life to save her, is that it's my fucking job. If two armed thugs walk up to you and try to rape the girl you're with, you really shouldn't be thinking: "Ah, damn. But she doesn't really love me anyway. You can have her, I'll save myself."

          Just like it's a woman's job to provide sex and food for a man, and to raise his children, it's a man's job to protect the women he's having sex with. I'd be ashamed of myself if that weren't the case.

          [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I don't like how people keep confusing MGTOW with ghosting or "monk mode" if you want to call it that, MGTOW to me just means self-ownership or self-determination, usually being anti-marriage. I'm a MGTOW ghost. I pretty much feel that pain is really inevitable in life, you're going to suffer whether or not you're in a relationship, so think as logically as you can, suffer from that as much as you can, evolve from the suffering as much as you can, or kill yourself; that's basically become my life philosophy, and why I've spent so much of this year learning about human biology in my free time.

          [–]648262 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          People react to the feeling other people provoke in them.

          The idea that only men love women is bullshit. I fully understand the MGTOW-idea, but I don't agree with your justification for it, based on your post here.

          [–]1whatsazipper 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

          /r/MGTOW is elsewhere.

          You're at TRP.

          We don't care about your voluntary celibacy. Keep it to yourself. No one gives a fuck whether you do or do not fulfill your sex drive.

          A man does what he needs to do. Trying to construct a movement based on 'going your own way' and talking shit about women should rightfully fall on deaf ears.

          Do you want a gold star for tucking your dick behind your legs or what?

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            [–]Crabpeoples -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            How in the holy mother of god have you had sex with over 100 women?

            [–]Jrix -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Yeah okay, millions of years of evolution culminates to not chasing pussy? You delusional twat.

            [–]jinkop[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I am delusional because I don't let my life be ruled by pussy? You are the delusional one if you let yourself be ruled by vagina. Delusional and brainwashed.

            [–]duckducklandwhale 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Literally heard my sister say something like this earlier today. She is early 20s. Constantly had men problems from riding the cock carousel of alpha boys from the block. I think she mightve stopped. She has a thing for Korean dudes or whatever and was on some website where she met some 30 year old dude. Now she was complaining about some shit but basically dude is set. He works for a Fortune 500 as an engineer and long story short he cut her off because she admitted she was treating him bad. Dude prolly isnt Alpha at all and all that jazz being a foreign immiggrant but the main take away is she felt bad. She says my life wouldve been set, "he's an engineer makes good money and isnt some nigga from the hood"

            [–]Mihawk01 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Nice post, touches on many emotions and to the point, thanks.

            What I want to add...

            LOVE is a human made CONCEPT.

            It does not exist anywhere but our minds. Women often use it to emotionaly control men (some don't even understand this), and some men start being controlled, and actually believe this manipulation only to have their hearts broken.

            Somen men actually use this word to manipulate women as well ;)

            Regarding what women want - it can be many things, but in general, relationships should all bring something to the table, for both parties. That is why if a woman can only bring her pussy to the table, she can only expect my dick back, and not much else, if anything at all.

            This extends to all other relationships as well. You help friends, when you ask for help, if it ain't much trouble for them, I expect them to help. Why be in a friendship with someone who won't even lift a finger for you?

            [–]hamstercide 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Constantly maintain frame

            Maintain what frame?

            and change who you are as a person from a Bluepill faggot, to a Redpill man.

            What does a Redpill man look like? Not in terms of appearance, but what does he do?

            [–]cooltrip -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Women need the difficult things men can do and get but women can't. Since women can't get those difficult things, this is why they need men, and this is why they can only correspond or "pay" those difficult things to men by means of the simpler things women can do: sexually entertaining and pleasuring men, sandwiches, baby care, etc... If women could develop science and technology on their own, they would not need men; you don't need to dress slutty for developing science and technology, and you can't chase anything if you are dressed slutty... except, perhaps, a man who is looking for a woman who can't do science or technology.