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High-qualityEvery day I'm submitting an example of /r/the_donald's harassment of transgender people. Here's a summary of the SECOND week (self.EnoughTrumpSpam)

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Link to the FIRST week

Every day I post an instance where /r/the_donald harassed or threatened violence against transgender individuals. This is going to continue for a long time because there is so much transgender hatred on that subreddit.

/r/the_donald is one of the largest transgender hate forums on the internet. /r/the_donald should be really named /r/transgender_people_hate because so much of their content is just transgender hate and it doesn't have anything to do with Trump.

They've gotten away with this everyday for months while being the most visible subreddit on the site. It's pretty disgusting how this site harbors one of the largest transgender hate forums on the internet. This harassment and especially these threats of violence should be breaking site rules.

Here's a message one user sent to the admins in response to the FIRST week.

"How can reddit without a hint of self awareness, pretend to care about LGBT rights or pride month when you allow /r/the_donald to post BLATANT threats against transgender people, engage in harassment of transgender and shame them at every turn. How can you do this to the trans people on reddit?

How can you find it okay to let this abuse towards one of the most marginalised groups in the world go on and on and on unchecked on your website, while at the same time claiming you give a shit about Pride month?

How does this happen? What sense does this make you?"

Day #8

You can hit "its"[+17]

Day #9

So if it has a dick or chose to self mutilate I can't refer to him as "he"?

Day #10

On a transgender teacher - “Look at that creature...It's a smart bussiness move nowadays..Make yourself a freak, then sue when people are like wtf..” [+18]

Day #11

I would have hit that faggot so fast his penis would literally transform into a vagina and his wish would come true[+433]

Day #12

The founder of the subreddit jcm267 (Proof of username here), who was head mod at the time this was posted, bans someone for reporting transphobia and then the mod encourages transphobia

"LOL. Note to SJWs: "Transphobia" is not against the rules.

If you want to get into what's offensive let's talk about the push to force girls to compete on the same high school sports teams as biologically male trannies, or a number of other horrible things the pro-transgendered crowd are trying to shove down our throats. The transgender activists are opposed to not just common sense and decency but also to gender equality!

Edit:Reports from SJW morons are coming in already!"

Day #13

Obama names tranny to head of religious council. (No, not Michelle)[+33]

Day #14

I'd punch a freak in the face

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[–]asdtyyhfh[S] 71ポイント72ポイント  (12子コメント)

Notice they always refer to transgender people as "it" or derogatory terms like "freak". They're dehumanizing a minority group and threatening violence against them. How is it okay for a subreddit to target a minority group like this?

Message the admins about this.

[–]_Reformed__ 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

The admins won't do anything. I messaged them about r/hillaryforprison's mods (who targeted me by PM over a five-day period) and they never even responded to me. I wouldn't expect them to do anything here, either.

[–]ninjelephantSJW CUCK 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I messaged them this past week and someone just today replied saying, "Thanks for this report. We're looking into it."

Vague as all hell, but at least it was an acknowledgement.

[–][deleted] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

and i'm sure they're actually looking into it

[–]Enleat 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I messaged them as well, twice, and got the same message.

[–]arahman81 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because they aren't Muslim, of course.

[–]Pulr7 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Obviously this is vile. And it is hardly the only vile or hateful thing on /r/the_donald. But remember back when reddit banned a bunch of subs and a bunch of people who wouldn't listen to reason or logic were all up in arms because reddit was banning "speech?" We'll that wasn't true, they were only banning subs that harassed specific individuals. But any speech was and is still allowed.

Everything in the post is just speech. Hate speech to be sure, but reddit doesn't ban hate speech. So it is a good reminder of the type of people who are drawn to trump, but it isn't going to get any traction with the mods.

[–]Enleat 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

They literally expressing a desire to exercise violence on trasgender people. There are more posts about this and the level of legitimate violent rhetoric is astounding.

This isn't just hatespeech, this is a subreddit nodding in agreement when their users say

'I'd punch a freak in the face'

I would have hit that faggot so fast his penis would literally transform into a vagina and his wish would come true

You can hit "its"

HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT ADVOCATING VIOLENCE?

[–]Pulr7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is advocating violence. I never said it wasn't. All hate speech incites violence. I am just saying reddit's policy allows hate speech. They only care if it is actual threats or harassment directed at a specific individual directly and usually when the targeted individual is the one who is complaining.

[–]brokilodeluxe 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

banning subs that harassed specific individuals

granted "I would have hit that faggot so fast his penis would literally transform into a vagina and his wish would come true" might be gray, but no worse than some of the things I've seen on /r/politics for example (albeit they aren't ever upvoted).

[–]Enleat 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes and the_Donald has done exactly that, with one poster posting a picture of their transgender cousin with their face and facebook account name all over it.

[–]Pulr7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that is the kind of thing that the mods actually care about.

I know those other quotes are vile and hate speech (I think pretty much all hate speech encourages violence, I certainly didn't say this didn't). But there is still a difference between threatening or harrassing an individual directly and just making generic violent statements. Reddit bans the former and allows the latter. It is when an actual identifiable individual (but not a public figure) becomes the target, especially if people go after them outside reddit, that the mods get involved, especially if that individual complains.

[–]brokilodeluxe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, I see. I skimmed over the post.

[–]heterosis 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would have hit that faggot so fast his penis would literally transform into a vagina and his wish would come true [+433]

unbelievable

[–]matt_greene25 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

What a badasss. Threatening people behind his computer in his mom's basement.

[–]BelongingsintheYard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Typical trumpet bullshit. I called out family on Facebook for a similar comment. They aren't bright.

[–]EcoleBuissonniere 36ポイント37ポイント  (9子コメント)

This is why I don't feel safe.

[–]TekharthaZenyatta 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

Internet hugs

[–]iamdigidudeLiterally at the club right now, pussy. 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

More Internet hugs

[–]devilapple 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Internet hugging intensifies

[–]ilovekingbarrett 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

instead of offering internet hugs, beat up your local white supremacist

[–]TekharthaZenyatta 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really can't condone violence against people like that. It just validates their own views in their minds.

[–]ilovekingbarrett 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

they don't need help having their views validated but if they're afraid to go out with banners saying "we are neo nazis and we love being neo nazis" and afraid of doing neo nazi things because there might be consequences because a deterrent exists, i can definitely condone that. but the problem is the police aren't much of a deterrent for countless reasons. meanwhile, it was anti-fa beating up neo nazis that caused them to retreat in the 80s because it became dangerous to be outside and be a neo nazi.

neo nazis and white supremacists make things unsafe. getting rid of them is self defence as long as it doesn't go too far.

[–]Enleat 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have never felt safe, but the increasing ammount of violent transmisognystic rhetoric on reddit are making me question if transitioning is worth it.

[–]sneakygingertroll 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same, especially because i know ill never truly pass due to my height

[–]ben1204 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm on your side. Fuck those pieces of shit.

[–]Titanium_Expose 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am 100% convinced that the people who complain the most about transgender individuals are also probably the biggest chasers in the world. I bet the vast majority of /r/The_Donald has a huge stash of Bailey Jay videos somewhere on their hard drive.

[–]3WeeksEarlier 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm as glad that people like you are willing to stand for trans people as I am disgusted that people like the bigots on r/the_Donald exist. Keep up the good work. I don't know if we will ever be able to do anything to change that subreddit, but this fight is a worthy cause.

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[–]Kzraxus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you can open their frontpage right now and save up a link to the first 5 threads and you would have enough content for 3 months.

[–]skakid9090 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

i love when their biggest problem with trans people is that "theyre doing it to invade our sports teams!!!!" as if that's some massive issue compared to gender dysphoria lmfao

[–]Aedeus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reminder to message the admins first about this vile shit.

[–]iiJynx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just remembered why I'm banned from that sub.

[–]thepluralofbeefis -16ポイント-15ポイント  (32子コメント)

Don't promote censorship, it isn't reddits job to silence people's opinions. Let whoever say whatever they want and eventually the idiots will make themselves apparent and smart people will know who to stop paying attention to. Anything that takes speech away is a bad idea even if it is vile hate speech.

[–]TomatoHeretranssubstantially at the club 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

Reddit is a private company, and is free to "censor" the bullshit.

[–]RedCanadaI cucked John Miller 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let whoever say whatever they want and eventually the idiots will make themselves apparent and smart people will know who to stop paying attention to.

I agree, but as a private company, Reddit has no obligation to host what they say.

[–]_Reformed__ 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

They are directly violating site rules with their comments. They have called for violence against transgender people, Muslims, blacks and Hispanics (with the latter two being indirect).

It's good for everyone to have free speech. However, their comments are similar to yelling fire in a theater, to use the classic example. People could seriously get hurt or killed because of the rhetoric, making it against both Reddit's rules and US law.

[–]thepluralofbeefis 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

To reformed and red canada. I'm not saying reddit should or should not do anything. I'm saying that as people we need to take accountability for our rights to speech instead of relying on a company to take care of it for us. Instead of trying to make it so trans hating people don't have a voice, combat their voice with reason to bring to light how stupid they are. The good people in the world need to bring to light all the problems and take it on ourselves to expose it, not tell on them and let someone take care of it for us.

[–]_Reformed__ 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wish we could fight their hate speech with logic. Sadly, though, their censorship and deep xenophobia make logic a difficult tool to use. Logic also takes time to work its magic. The longer we let T_D fester, the harsher their rhetoric grows and the more recruits Stormfront gets. While I agree, fighting with words is far preferable to fighting with bans and the like, we can't afford to wait. Besides, the battle lines are drawn: people are die-hard for or against Trump pretty much everywhere and no amount of logic or reality will change their stance.

[–]thepluralofbeefis 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Humanity has been waiting thousands of years to become civil, which sucks and has ruined millions or billions of lives, but relying on bans and censorship just so we can ignore the stupid opinions of others is only going to delay the progress we have made. The only way good people take over is by forcing bad people to realize their opinions are mindlessly hateful and are irrelevant, banning them from speaking only accomplishes the fact that we don't have to see it, it doesn't get rid of the hate. Let them talk, realize you have better principles and take comfort in the fact that their hatred is eating them up. We can force someone to silence them for us and give up our rights to speech in the process, or we can all take responsibility to deal with it ourselves and try to reason with as many as we can, the ones that are lost will die either way eventually and then it's up to the good people in the next generation to continue to try and improve. Banning speech in any capacity through any organization isn't a cure for idiocy, it just allows us to not be bothered with it.

[–]_Reformed__ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is that their insanity compounds when more people pile on with it. If someone starts out thinking "Trump seems like a decent guy" and sees, say, ten other people saying "Trump is great", it provides confirmation and enhances the rhetoric. This isn't dangerous until you hit their treatment of transgender people and Muslims. The same system I mentioned makes their rhetoric go from "some Muslims are bad" to "we should eradicate Islam". It boosts chances of violence against targeted groups as the rhetoric becomes more toxic.

The problem is the echo chamber. Reddit is their chamber and the more they validate each other, the more dangerous the hate speech becomes.

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    [–]_Reformed__ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Inciting violence is against the law. Their talk of punching/attacking transgender people is inciting violence because they call for and encourage it.

    [–]asdtyyhfh[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Harassment and threats of violence should not be protected speech

    /u/Spez the CEO of reddit said in an AMA that "I believe in many ways that Reddit is the online reflection of humanity and we want to preserve that. However, we also feel obligated to take steps to prevent real-world harm to people and to protect Reddit itself."

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    [–]Enleat 9ポイント10ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Don't promote censorship, it isn't reddits job to silence people's opinions.

    They're literally advocating genocide and violence against people they consider non-humans.

    This does not deserve a platform, anywhere, and anyone who believes it does is severely morally compromised.

    [–]thepluralofbeefis -2ポイント-1ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Just because we don't want it to have a platform doesn't mean it doesn't deserve it. I'm not saying they shouldn't be punished, they should be, but I'm not willing to risk opening the floodgates of banning speech for the masses because of the stupidity of the few.

    [–]Enleat 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Oh my God just fuck off with this bullshit. I don't give a fuck about the free speech of the people who literally want to kill me and everyone like me.

    [–]thepluralofbeefis 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

    I'm not saying this because I care about what you want, I'm saying this because if we give one of the last rights up as a society that let's us hold the little bit of power we have left then the ones in power aren't going to give it back when we ask for it. Sorry your in the position that your in but free speech is much too profoundly valuable for generations of people to be given away for any reason.

    [–]ilovekingbarrett 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

    someone: i want your sister to give me a blowjob

    your sister: ew that's gross

    you (correctly): i agree. you shouldn't say dumb shit like that.

    however,

    a lot of people: i want to kill your sister

    your sister: this is more than just gross and i'm afraid

    you: it's unfortunate, but if action was taken against it, it would limit free speech because it's a lot of people instead of just one person.

    where is the valuable speech here that is in dire need of protection

    [–]thepluralofbeefis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If I had to use physical force to stop a rape or a murder of a family member than freedom of speech would not be hindered, I also see a big difference of someone threatening something like that in a face to face conversation compared to an idiotic comment on an Internet message board

    [–]thepluralofbeefis 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Actually you got me, your analogy sparked an emotional response, wl the real answer is that one murderous/raping psychopath should not interfere with an entire societies ability to to be allowed to voice their opinion

    [–]ilovekingbarrett 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    now imagine feeling like you were around stuff like what i just wrote all the time and there were entire communities and subreddits devoted to talking about that. would you say "uhhh, free speech... sorry, but looks like there's nothign we can do :/" in that situation? this is the precise situation we have in the terms of the transgender situation. would you not want to be able to take some sort of action?

    the more experience you gain with these people, the less you realize this is a valuable opinion in a space that needs its freedom protected, and the more you realize "holy shit these people fucking suck" in ways that you don't expect.

    taking action against people actively and deliberately making society worse by the things they say and the way they act isn't inherently oppressive simply because it happens to be done on a large scale unless it's totally botched. one can imagine an oppressive execution as well as a sensible execution.

    second, it's not as if the content is neutral, is it? some content - not just opinions, because those are broad and general, but often specific content, specific communities, specific talk, is just toxic and valueless. and some opinions are just dangerously incorrect. but there's a difference between say, advocating banning flat earth posts from reddit (not an important or particularly smart position) and advocating banning r/the_donald, which breaks every site wide rule regularly and for fun and flaunts it as hard as possible.

    [–]thepluralofbeefis -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    So then who gets to decide what opinion gets to be heard? For better and worse right now we get everyone's, once we give up the right for someone to decide for us what should or shouldn't be heard it's not coming back (unless we start talking about revolution) so I'm not willing to give it up. When I'm in hostile environments I leave or push back, I don't ask society to sacrifice their right to be heard so I can get the immediate gratification of feeling safe and silencing someone. I understand very clearly what everyone has replied and sympathize, but I'm not willing to compromise the only real way we as a people have to control our fate. If we convince ourselves that the gov. Or reddit, or Monsanto, or whatever other organization has our best interest in mind and relinquish control to them what we are allowed to talk about we are truly fucked and will be going against what every public revolt has fought for and every artist who has warned us about the dangers of a censored society. If an ass hole threatens you tell them to fuck off or hit them with your car or whatever you want but please don't volunteer away my right to say what I want, or anyone else's, in hopes that "big brother" will take care of it for you. All the grievances that we have started small, first it was just a few taxes, first it was a few people deciding that Africans could be bought and sold, first just a few radical religious people try to appease their god, one person decided he didn't like Jewish people and convinced a country of the same thing... we are at that tipping point, offering up just a few opinions to be silenced in hopes that the group doing the silencing will have self control. It always starts out small and slow and our generation won't see the worst of it if WE let the process start.

    [–]ilovekingbarrett 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    it's not like there's some difficulty with Fundamental Generic Cases. it's pretty clear - in this case, this is pretty clear. it's not about "letting an opinion be heard". it's about "prioritizing the community not being toxic/overrun by people who make other people feel unsafe/want other people to be unsafe, and who we know, time and time again, break the rules, and are just here to make everyone else miserable, usually by lying and doxxing and sending gore and brigading and more." it's very simple.

    "trannies are degenerate mentally ill men in dresses" is pretty clearly not a valid, intelligent, or good opinion. if someone was legit trying to get an opinion across, they'd say it in a way they knew might be more likely to be taken seriously, like "i think being transgender is a mental illness, because it must simply be a mistake in perception, and don't understand why this sounds controversial" - there is a world of difference between these two statements, and importantly, the attitude of the people making them. one is presented in a way that is actually more or less dispassionate, certainly not aggressively digging in, etc. this is super important. can you not see the difference? which one seems like the one that should be banned?

    do you think global warming skeptics deserve to be heard with the same level and weight as climate experts? deciding things like "we'll shut these people out of this science community/conference/subreddit" is not infringing on free speech, it's going out of your way to deny legitimization of people who are completely wrong, and for that matter, dishonest, and extremely interested in selling their shit to other people. would you want the global warming skeptics to have an equal voice in a discussion on climate change policy to the climate science experts? i can't possibly see why that would be desirable.

    not just that, but this isn't even - clearly, given the lack of actual staff action taken - something that reddit is enforcing on us, but community calls being demanded by the community for reddit to take action - the direction of influence is in complete reverse. actually, it isn't even happening at all because reddit isn't even doing anything.

    it's not hard - just because specific instances are bad, doesn't mean some big general concept is being encroached on. if you kicked someone out of your house for demanding to your sister "give me a blowjob you fat fucking whore" and they said "this is my opinion, you can't kick me out for expressing an opinion", you'd know they were fully of shit. if a group of about 20 people at a party said "we love killing your sister and having her give us blowjobs" and the police kicked them out, i doubt you'd feel any different regardless of how hard they crowed about giving free speech.

    do check the links in the op - a certain subreddit is actually doing these things towards people like me, on reddit, and trying to spread it in a lot of places. i'd like for them to be kicked out just as sure as you'd want to be able to have these people kicked out of your house or have someone take them out of the party. it has no relation to broader issues as far as Free Speech(TM).

    you want to know what an actual threat to free speech is though, you should look at fascism. fascism being based in, racism, far right things, etc - you'll find a very decent chunk of a certain subreddit are actual fascists. they're far more threatening to freedom (and therefore free speech) and quality of life when allowed to organize and deliberately brigade and mislead than transgender people asking "please stop letting people terrorize us".

    [–]Shenaniganslessthan3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's real fucking easy to take a stand for free speech when it's not dehumanizing you. You're making this into a discussion of governmental free speech when it's pretty clearly a discussion of societal free speech. Society can, will, and should restrict your speech. We don't have to tolerate assholes, we can choose to walk away and not listen to them or choose not to interact with them at all.

    I saw your argument further down the chain about how censoring posts is a slippery slope. Thing is, there are two sides to every hill and permissiveness of this kind of bigotry leads to very real violence against people. Dehumanization always leads to victimization throughout history, whereas not letting some people say hateful things on an internet site is effing petty.