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Unpopular opinion thread: September Edition (self.reddevils)
Twocurvedhollowfangs が 1時間前 投稿
I'll start. Smalling needs to be sold and Blind needs to come back into the starting 11. Him and Bailly are wank on the ball and we won't crack the top 6 with them turning the ball over all the time.
[–]GGMU1992Jose Mourinho 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 56分前 (2子コメント)
Pogba really hasn't even been as bad as people are making him out to be.
[–]danskzwag 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 40分前 (0子コメント)
Underperformed yeah anonymous not really it's just easy Karma and RTs to make a few dab jokes
[–]Andy19x20 TIMES 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 57分前 (0子コメント)
These threads are becoming shit, people don't even believe their own opinions here, just spouting outrageous ones for upvotes.
[–]TyperSniperKeane 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 50分前* (0子コメント)
No matter how much it pains me to say it because I really don't want it to happen, if we end up losing to Leicester and Stoke we're gonna go into freefall.
[–]IwishIwasGoku 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 33分前 (0子コメント)
Regardless of whether or not Mou turns it around, we will probably fall behind City and stay behind them for the foreseeable future. They have a footballing identity now and are well run. They are seeing the culmination of a decade long project. We seem to be running around like a chicken with its head cut off throwing money everywhere so we don't lose our sponsors. Don't get me wrong, we had a great window, but we need to massively restructure the way this club is run if we don't want to spend 250m every 3 years.
[–]MarcusRashgodDarren Fletcher 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 18分前 (2子コメント)
The opinion of this sub on Smalling has turned so quick. People actually want him sold, after seeing Bailly play for 6 games.
[–]RVallant 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 9分前 (1子コメント)
Casual armchair fans, whatcha expect? Probably would have demanded SAF be sacked in 2005/6 like this moron: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/jul/31/sport.comment
[–]MarcusRashgodDarren Fletcher 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 6分前 (0子コメント)
Man, I really need to take a long break from this sub. The amount of bullshit that gets spouted and upvoted here is just plain ridiculous.
[–]downvote-throwaway 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 6分前 (0子コメント)
Wanted to post this as a self post but this is an appropriate thread too, so here it goes.
Will our missed opportunities cost us?
First:
We were in the race to sign de Bruyne
We allegedly met with Pep
There was a possibility to sign Mane
We failed to sign Kante
I didn't include players like Sanches, Thiago, Fabinho and similar because they aren't (currently) playing in the PL. I could've included Fabregas, Firmino and Otamendi, but I don't think they would've had a significant impact on our team.
We don't have world class players in the team, except De Gea. Rooney and Ibra are past it (great players but they aren't really game changers anymore).
Schweinsteiger was excommunicated from the team, Young and Carrick are just rotation players now, Valencia is still really good but isn't world class, not even close (because of his lack of defending abilities).
We've got a lot of potential stars: Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Shaw, Bailly. The problem with them is that they aren't consistent, and that's normal, they are still young and developing. Then we have some good players that need time to show if they have wc potential or are they going to be just squad players: Memphis, Mensah and Tuanzebe. I love that we have so many talented players, but we can't rely on them in big games, they don't have the mental strength to handle the pressure yet.
Next, we have Mkhitaryan and Darmian. Players who should be good but still haven't adapted completely (ok, Mkhy is still new and needs time but he's almost 28, doesn't have many years left on the top level).
Some consistent, good players but not the type of stars that could change the dynamics of the game are Smalling and Mata. Then there are some squad players: Herrera, Fellaini, Blind; they are similar to Mata and Smalling in terms of quality and impact but not as much consistent.
The last group are players which aren't bad nor good and they can't be relied on in important games, although they are fine rotation options in less relevant games: Rojo, Jones, Schneiderlin, Lingard.
If you take a look at our main rivals, they have at least 3 world class players (except Pool):
Arsenal - Čech, Özil, Sánchez (and some great, young players in Xhaka, Bellerin and Oxlade-Chamberlain; but not world class, though)
Chelsea - Courtois, Hazard, Willian, Costa (some great players too: Fabregas, Kante, Matić, Zouma, Azpi)
Liverpool - no wc players but a lot of great, fitting players for their system: Coutinho, Clyne, Henderson, Lallana, Milner, Firmino, Mane (and Sturridge when fit)
Tottenham - Lloris, Alderweireld, Kane (lots of great players too: Lamela, Son, Dembélé, Rose; also like Liverpool, fitting for their system, probably wouldn't be so good on a individual level)
City - Kompany, Silva, de Bruyne, Agüero (and great players in: Bravo, Otamendi, Fernandinho, Gündoğan, Nolito; plus a lot of talent in: Iheanacho, Sterling, Sané, Stones and Gabriel Jesus)
My point: we don't have a better squad than those teams, bar Liverpool and Tottenham, but they have fitting players for their systems and that looks good, something like Atletico M. who doesn't have as many stars as Barcelona or Real but fits the needs of Simeone's style of play and it works for them.
We shouldn't be judging yet because we are still 5 game weeks in, but you can't deny that all of those teams adapted better than we did (although we had some amazing moments too). Our problem is that we aren't playing constantly good, players aren't supporting each other on the pitch and we don't look fluid because of that. In the end, we don't have a wide range of great players to choose from and if our main guys underperform, we can't do much to change it unless someone produces a wonder (like Rashford against Hull). We lack creativity too which allows other teams to park the bus and wait (Hull, Feyenoord), probably because we don't have a world class playmaker/number 10 to unlock them and I don't think James will fix that (which is suggested by various portals and such).
The last one isn't a mistake per se but we missed on Pep and got Mourinho. Don't get me wrong, I love Mourinho and he's a great manager but everyone said he is done and that the Chelsea job ruined him after being wounded from the Madrid stint. I didn't notice it then but Pep does seem to be more prepared and motivated (this was hard to write). I still hope Jose will come out good and beat the haters and doubters.
So please, let's have a discussion about our team and expectations this season. Criticise my way of thinking freely, I know I have a lot of flaws in my arguments. The last three years got to me and this season gave me a glimmer of hope then crushed it all in the last two games. I've been a fan for almost 14 years now and United was the only joy I've had in my life, I have nothing else so I tend to be a bit emotional, sorry.
Thank you for your time!
[–]manudevil7Beckham 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 51分前* (11子コメント)
A lot of our players are not good enough. We need another massive clear out.
[–]danskzwag 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 46分前 (4子コメント)
Nearly all the players you mentioned are on 100 plus a week
[–]manudevil7Beckham 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 40分前 (3子コメント)
We should be able to offload a vast majority of them, if we tell them they have no future here. Memphis, Jones, Rojo, Smalling, Fellaini, Darmian, and Schneiderlin should be able to be offloaded.
Young, Rooney, and Schweinsteiger's contracts will likely have to be bought out. Rooney's will be extremely expensive. Since Rooney's contract runs until 2019 and if his wages are £300,000 per week, he will likely cost us £31,200,000 to buy out the remainder of his contract.
[–]danskzwag 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 38分前 (2子コメント)
Jones just got a 5 year contract , Memphis is on 160 a week I think we were trying to get rid of Rojo and Darmian they didn't want to leave there's no way I see Utd buying out Rooneys contract
[–]MarcusRashgodDarren Fletcher 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 19分前 (0子コメント)
Not saying he is not, but do you have a source that says Memphis is on 160k a week?
[–]Moyesehh 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 15分前 (2子コメント)
SELL SMALLING?
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[–]Moyesehh 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 13分前 (0子コメント)
Yes, he's not good enough.
.. We don't need a ball playing center half either.
[–]lankmastertayOver My Dead Bailly 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 49分前 (0子コメント)
Blows my mind that Rojo wasn't dropped this transfer window.. Absolutely gob-smacked
[–]Twocurvedhollowfangs[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 42分前 (1子コメント)
Agreed. I think Blind as a centerback is fine at the moment though. Bailly just needs to stop making mistakes.
[–]manudevil7Beckham 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 38分前 (0子コメント)
I would like to see go after someone like Laporte. He's good on the ball, and he's solid defensively.
[–]DMP96 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 59分前 (0子コメント)
A lot of our players are just dead wood.
[–]lankmastertayOver My Dead Bailly 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 50分前 (0子コメント)
Here's one I truly believe:
I don't mind if we crash out of the Europa League. We've got a better chance at securing a top 4 spot with well rested first team players that are not distracted or tired by Thursday games. Europa league is so far from priority in my opinion. And as much as I like to see second team or backup players get some time on the field, we need to concentrate on securing an attainable top 4 than hoping we win the competition. I say this because I don't think our team players who will be fielded for Europa games will be enough to win anything. They're LVG relics and not cut out for it.
Top 4 or nothing this season. Top of the league next season. Top of the Champions League whenever possible lol
[–]play365123Pogback! 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 49分前 (0子コメント)
4-4-2 diamond is the way forward with the players that we have. We have no actual wingers who stay wide and can constantly beat people.
DDG
Valencia-Baily-Smalling-Shaw Fellaini Herrera-Pogba Mkhitaryan Ibrahimovic/Martial(or Rashford)
[–]Moyesehh 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 14分前 (0子コメント)
Get rid:
Bring in quality like Fabinho and Candreva or something to replace. Just bring in top class players.
[–]Skyraptor7Herrera 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 8分前 (0子コメント)
I think Memphis performed well when he came on this week. I know he bottled the two shots, but apart from that he kept trying one twos to break their defense. he gave us pace and kept trying. If he can get his shots right, he could be a very good player for us.
[–]Zeusxc1Van Nistelrooy 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2分前 (0子コメント)
Every time we lose, people make a new excuse. They throw in a new starting line up that we should try and try to make a new player the key man. Switching lineups every week isn't the answer. We need to find a strong team and give it a run of a few games.
[–]danskzwag -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 51分前 (0子コメント)
I don't think we will make top 4
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