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Two Black women, students at American University, pelted with rotten bananas (rawstory.com)

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[–]startertNot your shilled AGENT[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (24子コメント)

So is this the second thread we are going to have where white people on this sub some how want to coddle these motherfuckers? Because the same people talking about "they're just kids" will be first in the fucking line to bitch about BLM making you uncomfortable or Mike Brown et all being full grown men even though he was 19.

This is not a conversation we are having. 18 year olds pelting black people with bananas and making racist remarks are not "just kids" who "didn't know any better". The fact that you people can justify shit like this is the reason why people like that feel comfy doing it.

"White people do stupid shit = they were just kids"

Fucking Ryan Lochte was described as "just a kid". A 30 year old man was just a kid for telling half truths and abandoning his team mates.

So no white folk, these are not "just kids". The black face princess you motherfuckers defended in this thread was not just a sweet little girl who didn't know any better. She was in a goddamn university, put on a face mask and suddenly captioned in "yo yo my nigga" and the defense and downplaying of her actions is exactly the sort of bullshit double standard you motherfuckers have in your empathy.

Y'all will defend nazi's and bigots either under "free speech" or "just kids". Fuck you and fuck your "kids" shitty attitudes.

[–]FuckTrumpWithAGlock 27ポイント28ポイント  (38子コメント)

The students who threw the rotten fruit should be expelled, and possibly charged with assault/battery. In fact, I'd say that this is a hate crime and that they should be spending some serious time in jail for it.

Absolutely disgusting. I cannot believe that people get away with this shit.

Downvote me all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that these women were targeted because of their melanin.

[–]smegrollSuch Jew. Wow. 5ポイント6ポイント  (14子コメント)

If you haven't been in that thread already, you really wouldn't like the one about the white girl who got expelled for being a racist.

[–]FuckTrumpWithAGlock 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was pretty appalled at the reactions there. How did this whitewashing bullshit become so prevalent on Ghazi?

[–]smegrollSuch Jew. Wow. 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eternal September.

[–]BZenMojo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Oh my god, Trump is totally the worst, am I right...? But this other shit, I guess I can see both sides of that issue."

SRS solved this problem by creating SRS Discussion and then ignoring it forever and ever except for the mods who show up just to kick people out for being total assholes. TwoXChromosomes did something similar, although they kind of just abandoned the subreddit for a new one -- which seems more effective but like a lot more work. Absolutely a familiar concept no matter what.

[–]Ptylerdactyl"isn't it even MORE racist" 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't think the two situations are comparable, at all. This article describes behavior that is much, much worse. This is breaking and entering, actual assault. Not just being a piece of shit on Snapchat or whatever.

I know people won't like it, and frankly I don't care - when we pretend that dressing up in blackface is equally terrible as actual assault, we are minimizing the gravity of assault. Both are shit ways to behave and have no place in a modern society, but being a racist among racists is different from being a racist and acting on it by breaking into a student's sleeping area and attacking them. It is different.

[–]smegrollSuch Jew. Wow. -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Both situations are complementary, and encourage and sustain the growth of a racist society. As far as the consequences are concerned, if you're mad that both cases result in expulsion of the perpetrators, take it up with the university that made the decision to do so, because idgaf.

[–]Ptylerdactyl"isn't it even MORE racist" 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

if you're mad that both cases result in expulsion of the perpetrators,

I don't know where you got that, because that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that the response to both instances as though they're the same severity is absurd and diminishes acts of violence by equating them to idiots on Snapchat.

[–]smegrollSuch Jew. Wow. -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

How about my first sentence?

[–]Ptylerdactyl"isn't it even MORE racist" 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it's got roots in truth, but I think that it's also reductionist and may have the opposite effect to what you'd want.

I've had plenty of friends who have said some racist shit, especially in college, because it honestly never occurred to them that the views they were raised with were not appropriate or indicative of reality. I've found that addressing it as it occurs and explaining why certain statements and actions are inappropriate is a much better strategy than pretending that their actions are the same as breaking into a place and attacking people.

[–]smegrollSuch Jew. Wow. -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I reduced a societal problem to...a societal explanation?

[–]auandi[S,🍰] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

For what it's worth, this particular article seems to embelish. I'm sure I'll be labled as defending nazis again, but they seem to be labeling me that no matter what I say.

When I went looking for what "forced" meant, since my memory of time there was no one ever locked their doors and if they did you'd need a swat style battering ram to get in. Well it seems raw story is the only one to use the word forced. The official report from the students doesn't include it, CBS News, Washington Post, Fox 5, even buzzfeed, none of them add the word "forced."

I'm not defending the banana throwers. I just wanted to share that the complaint by the victims did not claim it was forced entry. Which means the door was probably unlocked like 85+% of the doors are in Northside dorms. Because the doors close quickly and if you forget your keys it's a pain in the ass in the middle of the night to go to a completely different dorm to go get a spare, unlock the door, and return the spare.

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I added this to say the article exaggerated, not to try to contradict that it was breaking in. The students never used the word "forced" so I thought that was relevant to add that distinction.

[–]radda~Ice Day Bubble Dew~ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The door being locked is irrelevant. They weren't invited in, therefore they broke into a room in order to assault someone.

[–]Ptylerdactyl"isn't it even MORE racist" 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Eh, it's still B&E even if you don't have to destroy the door. The legal definition is unauthorized entry.

[–]auandi[S,🍰] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

it's still B&E

I'm not contradicting that. I just found out after posting this that raw story embellished and wanted to share that fact rather than keep it to myself.

[–]Ptylerdactyl"isn't it even MORE racist" 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair point.

[–]auandi[S,🍰] 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Really disappointed on a personal level with this one. It's my alma mater and I thought we were better than that. Even if it's just some college edgelords or something, this one kinda hurt.

[–]GhostOfBrandeisnow an Esquire 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same. Except with some small anger because they just called asking for fundraising. Go eagles.

[–]testobleroneSkeleton Jelly's Wombat 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

When I read the headline and the arguments in this thread about how the attackers may have just thought they were doing something "edgy" and just-a-joke-bro-ing and therefore don't deserve jail, the image that formed in my mind was that the attack had happened while the victims were like, walking around campus, outside in the gardens or something like that. Then I read the article an see that they actually forced their way into one of the victims' room and threw the rotten banana at her. How the fuck is that not a crime? I don't know anything about how the law treats dorm rooms, I imagine they're not legally treated as houses or apartments, but isn't there at least some justified assumption that you will be safer inside your dorm room than anywhere else on campus? I mean, is a dorm room just another public space where random people can walk in and attack... sorry, I mean "do some edgy joeks" on the people who sleep there? Because that sounds terrifying.

[–]inteuniso 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the FUCK.

[–]KreepurZ 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sounds like surveillance systems with HD cameras need to be installed, security doors and paid police officers need to start patrolling the dorms on a regular basis.

Seems like the university is unable to provide adequate security right now

[–]almosteeen58TransTrender 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the police has such a great track record with black people.

[–]auandi[S,🍰] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They didn't have cameras in the dorm floors but they had all that other stuff when I was there. You need to show ID to that specific dorm or you can't get in. There is security but they don't exactly do floor sweeps or they'd end up busting half the school for drinking in what are supposed to be dry dorms.

But each dorm has ~400-700 people in it, and the three southside ones all connect to each other. What would random patrols do to stop racist motivated shit?

No level of security can stop someone from tossing bananas at someone. This isn't like stopping someone from bringing a gun, bananas are a normal thing for anyone to have. There's a whole foods right down the street, lots of people would do grocery runs and that could include a lot of bananas. I'm not trying to defend them or diminish your point, but short of jail-like lockdown you can't stop a college kind who has it in his mind to do something like that. I hope they find the person responsible, and maybe they need to add in more orientation to Freshmen as to why shit like that isn't ok, but I don't see how more security will actually stop things like this from happening.

[–]CastrateAllRapists 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

More policing is not the answer. ACAB