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[–]Kulzo 2988ポイント2989ポイント  (625子コメント)

Police Chief: At this time, we are not releasing the suspect's name, but yes, he's a Muslim.

[–]neotropic9 1721ポイント1722ポイント  (500子コメント)

This is the perfect response. Because I have seen people try to hide the motivation and religion of the attacker, which is suppression of information that people need in a democracy. But the person's individual name is of no consequence.

[–]Modoveex 64ポイント65ポイント  (9子コメント)

A friend's dad killed himself after he was charged with something he didn't do and the media paraded his name around and ruined his life. I feel like that's reason not to disclose names for suspects.

[–]praisecarcinoma 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

This makes me think of Nancy Grace.

[–]PedroIsWatching 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It still makes me laugh how she slandered the Duke Lacrosse players daily for months then on the day they were acquitted she called in sick and had a guest host cover it.

I'm surprised they didn't sue her.

[–]andyfox1979 570ポイント571ポイント  (445子コメント)

On the other hand I've seen an effort to suppress or downplay when a suspect is muslim, by certain media outlets. Some even use red herrings to blame a subculture or political sect they see as their enemies (i.e. anti government extemists).

Let's just go back to fully disclosing all information.

[–]Whopper_Jr 130ポイント131ポイント  (11子コメント)

The University of Minnesota has a text/email alert system for students about criminal activity on campus or in the student neighborhood, whether theft/assault/breaking & entering/etc. The description of the suspect was always sent as well. A few student groups complained because they sent out the race of the suspect as well (because it was usually a black suspect, which they had an issue with).

So the MN campus PD released a memo saying that race would no longer be part of the description. Not sure if that's still the case, but such a stupid decision to protect feelings. Why would anyone want to withhold information of a possible assailant?

[–]DogbertDillPickle 36ポイント37ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ah yes a fellow U of M student...I felt the same exact way when they made that decision. You're supposed to send of suspect descriptions to help you find he suspect! It doesn't make it racist, the color of the skin of the suspect is just a fact that needs to be known.

[–]gmwbh 55ポイント56ポイント  (2子コメント)

Quite funny isn't it. The opinions of the political prostitutes are more important than peoples safety.

[–]curt_schilli 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same with Georgia Tech, one of the black student unions tried to protest the descriptor of race in crime reports because they felt oppressed lol, don't think the police ever actually did it though

[–]Organak 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's insane. Such a vital clue in identifying a perpetrator. Talk about overly sensitive. Next they are going to have to hide the criminal act so they don't trigger anyone.

[–]Smoke_legrass_sagan 287ポイント288ポイント  (111子コメント)

The longer the media takes to report the physical description, the higher the chance the assailant is a middle eastern Muslim.

[–]DevMunchies 128ポイント129ポイント  (44子コメント)

coulter's law

[–]rationalcomment 115ポイント116ポイント  (41子コメント)

He's not only a Muslim, but a refugee too.

No official statement on the New York bombing yet, police still investigating, but already evidence points to Muslim attackers:

Investigators believe the blast was the result of a home-made, pressure-cooker bomb similar to an unexploded device found later on 27th Street.

In another new wrinkle, a hand-written letter, a portion of which is in Arabic, was found inside a plastic bag that held the second device, sources said.

http://nypost.com/2016/09/18/there-will-be-more-chilling-911-call-after-the-chelsea-explosion/

CNN even edited out the "bombing" in Hillary Clinton's statement. The liberal media outlets know that if we have another Muslim terrorist attack between now and Nov 8, Trump will win.

[–]rationalcomment 48ポイント49ポイント  (4子コメント)

My favorite is watching TYT anytime there is another Muslim attack

It's always wildly entertaining as they try to spin it.

[–]Eheroduelist 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's why we watch the Olympics

Mental Gymnastics should be a real sport #Tokyo2020

[–]theworstever 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

USA could always use more gold medals in the Olympics.

[–]OldOblivious 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

His tone of voice sounded so similar to Alex Jones for a moment there.

[–]ottoginc 36ポイント37ポイント  (59子コメント)

Don't worry folks, this time it was another Christian Caucasian male. We're safe from the bad guys.

[–]rationalcomment 30ポイント31ポイント  (10子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015

Christian Caucasian males account for an insignificant percentage of violent terrorist attacks.

[–]Eheroduelist 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that was the joke

[–]xTannisX 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

Your source is strictly 2015. I'm not saying you're wrong but limiting it to a single year is poor statistical evidence. Also the guy was making a joke.

[–]ides_of_june 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worldwide that's the case. The US is a different story.

[–]BubblingMonkey 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

"At this point in time, we are not sure what his motives are."

"Kill the infidels!!!!"

"Not a clue."

[–]ilivehalo 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

This happened 2 years ago when a teenager was murdered by a Muslim. At first people tried to say that his religion played no part in his actions. Until that is the murderer straight up said he was murdering people for vengeance over US involvement in the middle east.

I was really surprised how little attention these killings got in the national media. Link to story for the curious

[–]asmulaabas 172ポイント173ポイント  (223子コメント)

Can you give an example of this? Because every time a Muslim does something it's national news. It's weird to me that the killing-to-national-news ratio is higher for Muslims than any other group yet I constantly read on reddit and Twitter that the national media wants to hide things when a Muslim commits violence.

[–]darkflash26 290ポイント291ポイント  (189子コメント)

well whent he orlando dick head shot 80+ people they said it was because of far right extremism like trump for wanting guns and hating gays, and down played the fact that members of his mosque said he became introduced to extreme islam in his teens

[–]sndrtj 111ポイント112ポイント  (36子コメント)

It was even subject to severe censorship here on reddit. /r/news deleted posts about it, so such an extend that /r/askreddit was the only place where you could discuss it.

[–]Staatssicherheit_DDR 48ポイント49ポイント  (24子コメント)

Not entirely accurate. r/the_donald had a massive thread up hours before. That was when I discovered that subreddit and became the horribly deplorable redditor I am today.

[–]vFunct 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

Also, consider that many people here are censoring the fact that Muslims reported the Orlando shooter to the FBI in a desperate effort at trying to stop him: https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/20/i-reported-omar-mateen-to-the-fbi-trump-is-wrong-that-muslims-dont-do-our-part/?utm_term=.aa65bf2b9227

[–]CHNLLOS_BIG_BOY 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you spam, Ill spam right back

After speaking with Omar, I contacted the FBI again to let them know that Omar had been watching Awlaki’s tapes. He hadn’t committed any acts of violence and wasn’t planning any, as far as I knew. And I thought he probably wouldn’t, because he didn’t fit the profile: He already had a second wife and a son. But it was something agents should keep their eyes on. I never heard from them about Omar again, but apparently they did their job: They looked into him and, finding nothing to go on, they closed the file.

It was one time and not sure how this is supposed to make anyone feel better about anything.

[–]Blueeyesblondehair 138ポイント139ポイント  (63子コメント)

Also, he and his dad are/were big Hillary supporters. As clearly evidenced by his father gleefully attending a Hillary rally with a big smile sitting right behind Hillary.

[–]KaribouLouDied 33ポイント34ポイント  (9子コメント)

Are, the father was even right behind clinton at one of her rallies.

[–]SooperModelsDotCom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Without a doubt, the funniest political exchanges of all time. (NSFW language)

It took me a couple of views to catch the funny visual additions (the father showing up behind the fat one, the news banner below them, etc...)

[–]17_irons 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

Not questioning the validity of your statement (yet) but... sauce?

[–]nixonrichard 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

[–]17_irons 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow, thanks for the info... But what? Not sure why the downvotes.... I even asked nicely right?

Edit: Holy shit... crazy that someone would ask for a reference when they weren't personally aware of something... right?

[–]Blueeyesblondehair 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't question downvotes on reddit. It's all a big clusterfuck.

[–]Skipaspace 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's because it proves he say behind her. Not that he Worked with her. He also is not a good guy, he made anti gay, pro Taliban statements.

Clinton's campaign said a mistake was made and he should not have been sat there. So that proof already proves an established fact.

[–]NoWarForGod 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

"zerohedge" "info"

Zerohedge is the economic equivalent of Alex Jones and infowars. I know the post is just a picture and doesn't have anything to do with zerodedge per se. But it seems this isn't widely known so I have to point it out when I see it.

[–]darkflash26 54ポイント55ポイント  (43子コメント)

eh that much really isnt relevant. his dad had a history with clinton from a government job i believe, and he seemed like a decent man. that being said, he raised a terrorist.

also, the dick head's wife is no where to be found, but the media isnt reporting on it. oh the accomplice of the worse shooting on US soil is on the run and has active warrants? HEY LOOK THIS SECOND STRING QB SAT DOWN WHEN HE SHOULDA STOOD UP

[–]DizzleSlaunsen23 133ポイント134ポイント  (13子コメント)

It sure would have been relevant had the dad been at trump rally's tho...

[–]Blueeyesblondehair 31ポイント32ポイント  (6子コメント)

also, the dick head's wife is no where to be found,

Yea, why the fuck was she allowed to flee the country? She is literally an accessory to the murders. Media needs to step the fuck up.

[–]GoBucks2012 64ポイント65ポイント  (8子コメント)

His dad was a Taliban sympathizer and reportedly told his son not to listen to his female teachers. Assuming those things are true, how exactly does he seem like a decent man?

[–]SeaNilly 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah was gonna say, the dads a piece of shit IIRC. Pretty sure he said something along the lines of "killing people for being gay is wrong." Which sounds great until he continued to say "God will deal with them." Because he still hates gays he just think God should do the punishing. Makes ya think hey maybe his dad had something to do with him becoming a mass murderer.

[–]voyaging 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

Thinking that homosexual activity is sinful does not imply or even suggest that the person hates or even dislikes gay people. That is the stance of the vast majority of Christians and Muslims. The religions strongly emphasize that sinners should be loved and empathized with.

[–]pied-piper 56ポイント57ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's not relevant because it was a Hillary ralley. If he attended a trump ralley it would be breaking news on CNN and the only topic of discussion for a month.

[–]NadiaKhuzina 37ポイント38ポイント  (10子コメント)

Seriously, you should fact check. He didn't get radicalized by an extremist mosque, it was a moderate one. Moderate Islam was just his gateway to extremism. He didn't have any friends at his mosque.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/13/orlando-imam-says-he-had-not-feared-omar-mateen-could-be-radical/

When you make the mistake of allowing for No True Scotsman logic, then we avoid as a whole of confronting the cold truth that we have a religion and Islam problem. His beliefs were in the minority of Muslims, true, but he was not an outlier in his beliefs.

[–]darkflash26 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

never said he was at an extreme mosque. i meant people at his mosque knew he was an asshole and hated him

[–]NadiaKhuzina 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was implied that he was radicalized by association with extremism. The facts point to that he really just radicalized himself.

[–]DodgerDoan 31ポイント32ポイント  (4子コメント)

Were you aware that the father of the Orlando terrorist was a public supporter of the taliban in Pakistan? Or that he has a YouTube channel where he supported sharia law? That's the kind of info that has been downplayed because it doesn't look good politically for some people.

[–]andyfox1979 60ポイント61ポイント  (8子コメント)

San Bernardino massacre. It was a workplace violence, vanilla mass shooting/pro gun control story from some news outlets for a really long time until they couldn't deny it any longer.

Then he was a formerly nice, normal guy who had been radicalized, even though there was zero factual evidence that showed he was ever nice or normal.

[–]matteatschicken 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

The two people in California is a perfect example. They didn't say anything about them being Muslim for like 8 hours.

[–]Pendulous_balls 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are you kidding? If it was a white Christian male his face and life story would be blasted on every possible 2d surface that could fit it. The fact that he's a Muslim means the story will be and has been suppressed to protect the narrative that Muslims are peaceful refugees.

[–]thesqueal 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's more newsworthy because a lot of these killings are in the name of Islam...

[–]trey_at_fehuit 35ポイント36ポイント  (12子コメント)

One article mentions 2 assailants. The other "assailant" being the private citizens with a permit who shot the Muslim individual stabbing others.

[–]garciasn 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

You mean the off-duty police officer? That's not a private citizen with a permit.

[–]Id_Quote_That 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because there's such a rush to get news out these articles are horribly written. He's a former police chief, off duty cop, and conceal and carry advocate. Some articles only have the conceal and carry bit, so I can understand the confusion. The greed of a good story once again distorts the truth.

[–]garciasn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a MN resident who has been following this story closely, I didn't see anything reported other than him being an off-duty officer.

shrug

[–]Berries_Cherries 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

When the officer is out of uniform he is a private citizen and most LEA will require you to have your permit (most are shall issue for LE all you have to do is request it online).

Source: Reservist

[–]klaybie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where is that? An off duty officer is still protected by Congressional act stating they can carry in all 50 states with no permit. Unless by permit you LE ID, then yes. Source: Law Enforcement Officer

[–]neotropic9 26ポイント27ポイント  (42子コメント)

Yes, it is a common trend to downplay the role of Islam in terror. Even in ISIS inspired terror, the media is quick to note that attackers "had no direct connection to ISIS" but only read their propaganda, failing to note that this is the modus operandi of ISIS -they provide propaganda to countries with Islamic populations because they are well aware that there will be a few people waiting for the opportunity to do violence for the sake of their religion. But I digress. We don't need to know the attackers name to ascertain whether or not they were Muslim. Their name is not pertinent.

[–]aidenpryde3025 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

The sad thing is that on reddit, I had to find out about it from r/the_donald and not r/news.

[–]SilvoSulej 11ポイント12ポイント  (13子コメント)

Why is it more important to disclose the religion than the name? I understand why holding the name secret is good, but why is the religion necessary? Not trying to start an argument, I'm just curious and am having trouble understanding why

[–]uitham 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Best solution would probably be to say the religion when you are sure the attack was religious in nature

[–]neotropic9 42ポイント43ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because it's relevant to democratic discourse. Freedom of information is important precisely because it allows us to better understand the forces that shape our world, one of which is religion.

There has been a trend -I'm sure you are aware- of religiously inspired attacks, occurring across the globe. People who seek to understand this phenomenon require open access to information. This trend is important enough that it was a large causal factor in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and, probably, a causal factor in the rising popularity of Trump. I take no position on either of these issues, but just raise them to note their connection to the issue of Islamic violence. It is important to democracy to be able to talk freely about things. (It is an unfortunate thing that some avenues of discussion are being cut off by media information suppression, and others are being cut off by the false accusations of "Islamophobia"; it is the perverted nature of this stifled discourse that allows demagogues to rise to power).

Some people would like to deny the relationship between Islam and violence. They have the right to do so, by way of argument, not by way of suppression of information. Clear heads are supposed to prevail based on the strength of their position, not their ability to hide facts that are contrary to their position.

[–]fakeuserisreal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It isn't, unless the attack is religiously motivated.

[–]comcast_ebola_tyson 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

But the person's individual name is of no consequence.

It's about transparency.

[–]ksiyoto 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does it matter to me if the terrorist/school shooter/bomb maker was named Bob Smith or Murgatroyd Periwinkle? No, it doesn't, and I wish the press would stop giving free publicity practically encouraging more idiots to do the same sort of attack.

I could just see the Columbine shooters thinking "We'll be famous when we're dead!"

[–]m_rt_ 66ポイント67ポイント  (2子コメント)

But did he play video games, listen to rock & roll music, watch the matrix and/or play Dungeons & Dragons? All important factors. The people have a right to know!

[–]J0kerr 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

I won the bet!!!!

[–]lordx3n0saeon 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I keep going long on the whole amish thing.

One of these days I'm gonna make it all back I tell yah!

[–]macfat 73ポイント74ポイント  (4子コメント)

I always liked Carl Winslow. Haven't heard anything about him in like 20 years, but that's cool he was promoted to chief. I thought he was a Chicago cop though. Must've transferred.

[–]ByronsReward 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I figured he was going to retire. I specifically remember him saying he was getting too old for this shit

[–]jamez548 644ポイント645ポイント  (128子コメント)

[–]Geroots[S] 584ポイント585ポイント  (23子コメント)

Shiiiiiieeet.

[–]notmeretricious 389ポイント390ポイント  (13子コメント)

Well, at least the police didn't release it. His dad did.

[–]Young_Aria 391ポイント392ポイント  (12子コメント)

Well, his dad kinda has that right.

"You wanna stab people while living under my roof? Good luck handling the press, Numb Nuts."

At least my dad would do the same.

[–]_My_Angry_Account_ 66ポイント67ポイント  (8子コメント)

My dad would just roll over a bit more.

[–]M-94 107ポイント108ポイント  (5子コメント)

My dad would read about it in the papers and then be glad he went for that pack of cigarettes and never looked back.

[–]_My_Angry_Account_ 77ポイント78ポイント  (1子コメント)

A man walks into a bar... and stays there my entire childhood.

[–]SirChumpton 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

What are you talking about? He'll be back soon. There's just a long queue at the till is all.

[–]tickettoride98 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good luck handling the press, Numb Nuts

Considering the guy is dead, I don't think that's a big concern of his.

[–]SIThereAndThere 78ポイント79ポイント  (70子コメント)

Muslim Refugee from Somalia

What, we have Somalian refugees here?

[–]SirBaronVonDoozle 199ポイント200ポイント  (24子コメント)

You haven't been to Minnesota have you

[–]datSpartan 79ポイント80ポイント  (17子コメント)

Minnesota has a huge amount of Somalian refugees. In the town I grew up in there was a ton that all came in all at once. it really was not handled very well by the people that made the decision to have them settle here. The schools didn't have the right personel to teach these kids and there weren't a lot of jobs that the refugees could work. As a result our crime rate grew pretty fast and they became pretty universally disliked by everyone in the community.

[–]sixmill 40ポイント41ポイント  (15子コメント)

Minnesota is the last place i would expect to see Somalian refugees. TIL

[–]ThePunisher56 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

They're really everywhere here.

Jennie-O turkey company is a gigantic employer of them. From about 15 years to know, it's like entire towns have flipped to a majority of refugees.

[–]arsu1chdafad 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I remember when Bill Clinton starting importing them. They had so many basic problems... You had to teach them not to throw trash out the windows of the apartments they were given. The odds of them getting a job? zero.

I can't believe they then repeated that mistake 100,000 times over. We have idiots running the country.

[–]WA_mama2 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

They ended up there because missionaries who live in St Cloud arranged for it. Not a case of "oh, let's go there", but an invitation.

[–]77P 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

You'd think that, but in reality Minnesota has the highest population of Somali Immigrants in the US. 1 in 3 Somali Immigrants live in Minnesota.

 

The data from Wikipedia cites the 2010 Census that 25,000 out of an estimated 87,500 Somali Immigrants reside in Minnesota

 

Minneapolis even has its own Neighborhood that is known as 'Little Somalia'

The Twin Cities area saw an influx of Somali immigrants beginning in the mid-1990s, largely as a result of the Somali Civil War. The city holds the nation's highest number of Somali immigrants, around 14,000 in total, many of whom reside in the Cedar-Riverside area and in the surrounding neighborhoods on and around Lake Street in South Minneapolis

[–]ThatKidOnTheSlope 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well it does have the most concentration of Americans with Swedish ancestry.

[–]69hailsatan 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

Minnesota has the highest concentration of Somaliland than any other state. I believe that I'm the captain guy from captain Phillips is from minnesota

[–]LimboLoves 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

They drive so slow it's my main gripe.

[–]ExeterMegaladon 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's strange, that is my literal only gripe with the Somalian population in St Cloud.

Lived there for 6 years, had nothing but pleasant interactions with every Somalian I interacted with. Lived in a house split into 2 apartments and the Somali family in the other apt. fed me like twice a week, it was awesome.

But I fucking swear, Somalian mothers with their cell phones tucked into their hijab driving their minivans around town resulted in way too many near death experiences for me.

[–]Hearts-and-Thoughts 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not in Minnesota but I grew up in NY state and we had a lot of refugee immigrants from all over the world since the 90's.

People representing Cambodia(via Thailand refugee camps *), Laos, Vietnam, Iraq, Somalia, Ukraine and Bosnia.

*I was one of those people from those camps.

[–]phpdevster 18ポイント19ポイント  (6子コメント)

At some point it becomes a matter of public record anyway doesn't it?

[–]coinnoob 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

yes, i think an important distinction is the availability of information vs glorifying the criminal.

nothing should be censored so it should always be possible for an individual to look up in a publicly-available criminal records database if curious.

however, plastering their name and mugshot on national tv for an entire week's news cycle is in fact a terrible idea. it is encouragement for like-minded psychopaths to follow suit.

[–]Husker-Dude 28ポイント29ポイント  (9子コメント)

God forbid we have an informed public. Much better to keep things a secret. We should probably have trials in secret, too. And just to make sure we don't give criminals any exposure, they should be arrested in the dead of night without informing anyone. Their families can find out what the dirty criminals in their family did when they get the bill for the executioner's bullet. That'll show 'em.

[–]Thedeadlypoet 550ポイント551ポイント  (146子コメント)

Just fucking say it. He was an islamic terrorist who stabbed innocent civillians.

[–]joozian_ 330ポイント331ポイント  (44子コメント)

He was also a refugee. We can't pretend this isn't a poltocal issue

[–]Blueeyesblondehair 174ポイント175ポイント  (7子コメント)

poltocal

Is that a dialect of Aztec?

[–]naivoder 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

No no no it's a city in Chile, I'm sure of it.

[–]Blueeyesblondehair 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah! I remember it from when I saw a Peruvian flute band and they mentioned it mid song. I obviously don't speak Peruvian, so that's all I heard, but I heard it. Good catch.

[–]ironicalballs 35ポイント36ポイント  (5子コメント)

NO! HE WAS A DICKHEAD! I mean... the buddhist community in Minnesota is just as violent...

[–]Veritas_Immortalis 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really loathe Reddit's habit to call murderers and other monsters these common insults. I've seen them say that genocidal ISIS savages are "douchebags" or that the Orlando killer was an "asshole". No idiots, the guy who cut you in line or hit on your girlfriend is a douchebag. These people are mortal enemies.

[–]NegativeGhostrider 63ポイント64ポイント  (18子コメント)

And an American exercising his 2nd Amendment right was able to stop him.

Yes I know it was an off duty officer. I'm also saying that any legally armed citizen would be able to have been able to defend themselves. Get the fear people have of guns when there is a lack of knowledge of them, but I don't understand the logic behind wanting to disarm all citizens and give criminals and terrorists the upper hand.

[–]SandyBayou 35ポイント36ポイント  (0子コメント)

Former law enforcement here. I'd bet dollars to donuts that a ccw holder would be a better shot than 85% of the cops I know.

[–]BigTall81 124ポイント125ポイント  (28子コメント)

Reporter here. The police I deal with do not release a suspect's name until they've been arraigned in court. Once they're formally charged? Fair game.

Even if the person's name leaks before that point, we won't run it unless it can be confirmed by officials. I refuse to be part of the witch hunt.

Edit: Clarified that last paragraph. If I hear a name and police or the Crown confirm it? Good to go.

[–]NeatAnecdoteBrother 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good guy? Isn't is public record? People have the right to know

[–]Benvincible 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Man, okay, devil's advocate here. And, full disclosure, a former newspaper reporter. If you want to criticize journalists for "parading," that's fine, and they should listen to you. But, this is bad. This is a police withholding public information, which they do NOT have a right to do. And journalists demanding that information on your behalf is them being on your side and keeping authority power in check. This is an abuse of that power. Police do not get to be the sole deciders of what is best for you. That is how police states happen.

[–]AdmiralAkbar1 52ポイント53ポイント  (13子コメント)

police department doesn't release information on attacker

Reddit: "Why aren't you releasing it? Is it because there's something to hide? Are you trying to cover up that he' Muslim/black/etc. to protect your PC narrative?"

police department releases information on attacker

Reddit: "Why do you people always keep giving the attackers the attention they crave? You disgust me!"

[–]TheWhitestBlack 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not everyone here has the same opinion. Of course there will be more than one side.

[–]xokocodo 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you considered that different people might be saying those two things?

Reddit is not a monolith of people who always agree on everything.

[–]flipco44 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

It makes you happy that your news is being censored? That's what it amounts to when all the info does not come out like it should. Learning that the suspect is a Muslim or dark-skinned or both is not, despite what some people apparently seem to fear, going to turn people into bigots, i.e., if a white guy did it, we would all want to know that too.

[–]Naavi 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't get it - don't you want the name and picture so the guy can be ID'd? I am confused with this one.

[–]Smorlock 25ポイント26ポイント  (9子コメント)

There is nothing I fucking hate more than reddit's crusade against information.

[–]brildenlanch 12ポイント13ポイント  (8子コメント)

That's what I don't get. People have some weird philosophical standpoint that it gives the murderer "more power in the afterlife" like Voldemort or some ridiculous shit. It's a crime that effected the public therefore his name and information should be publicly available.

[–]Hitchens92 46ポイント47ポイント  (2子コメント)

Needs to be this way all he time unless they are still alive and wanted

[–]Snake101333 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I guess only family and close friends should be the ones to have it no? I'm assuming that's done with the victims family with one on one talks between them and the authorities

[–]Hitchens92 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I would assume when the victims families are confronted by police and investigators they would allow for the parents to choose whether they'd want to know the identity of the killer or not

[–]TheFckestUpest 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

Didn't anybody read Harry Potter?! A name is nothing and refusing to say it is childish.

[–]mogulman31 65ポイント66ポイント  (19子コメント)

Police should release names of people like this, they are a public service and should only keep confidential information when revealing it has immediate negative effects. Glorifying the names of murderers is a problem because of the media. You can report without glorifying.

Police keeping the names of people arrested/shot in the act of a crime is something that happens in police states and has no place in a free society.

[–]SnarkLobster 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, guilty until proven innocent?

[–]coinnoob 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

yeah, but there's a difference between "releasing a name" and "plastering their photo on every TV screen in america for weeks, encouraging like-minded psychopaths to follow suit"

ofc censorship is not the answer. the police can simply release the name/photo for those interested in doing research, and at the same time the media can get a fucking clue and stop glorifying criminals by giving them 15 minutes of fame.

these two ideas are not mutually exclusive

[–]neotropic9 28ポイント29ポイント  (13子コメント)

The reason they are not releasing the name is because the notoriety one gains from media exposure is among the motivating reasons for similar attacks. By not releasing the name they are actually reducing the probability of a future attack. If your concern is that information about the motivation is being hidden -I have the same concern- that should be alleviated by the other information that was revealed.

[–]xXxCuckMasterXxX 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's because its a muslim that did it. If it was some 20 year old white man they would demonize him for weeks in the news.

[–]semt3x 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

Reddit is obsessed with this not releasing the name.

[–]justforsongwriting 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd bet the reasons are more about tracking down collaborators than about ensuring these assholes don't get the publicity they want.

[–]TheArtificialAmateur 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not exactly a good thing as it should be public information.

[–]HeimerDonged 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please don't be Muslim, please don't be Muslim... Damn it.

[–]sayitinmygoodear 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sure glad people were attacking anyone who thought the shitbag was muslum. That certainly worked out great.

[–]Pearlbuck 140ポイント141ポイント  (68子コメント)

Because the stabber is a Muslim immigrant. If it was a white power racist, his picture would be plastered everywhere.

[–]Gr1pp717 129ポイント130ポイント  (52子コメント)

  1. Bullshit. Every crime committed by a muslim in the past several years has had a name and picture released.

  2. How many violent crimes have you seen on the front page about a non-muslim in the past several years? Do you think they just haven't been happening? Turns out, hate crimes against muslims is at an all time high, yet not a single incidence has been focused on. So, stop the persecution complex crap.

  3. It doesn't matter since they released the fact that he was muslim. No need for a name or face, the blame game can begin. Even if the muslim's name was george, people would still use it to focus on how radical islam is regardless.

[–]ViciousPuddin 72ポイント73ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes, they would focus on Islam, because he yelked Allhu Ackbar as he STABBED people.

[–]majeboy145 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny how they never released pictures or the name of the vet that killed those cops in Dallas.

[–]tabber87 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

It doesn't matter since they released the fact that he was muslim. No need for a name or face, the blame game can begin. Even if the muslim's name was george, people would still use it to focus on how radical islam is regardless.

Well ISIS took credit for the attack, so that's kind of newsworthy.

[–]samjf99 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

ISIS take credit for a lot of things.

[–]funkboxing 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And they celebrate and attract more followers every time we give them credit for attacks they 'inspire'

[–]ThePoodlenoodler 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

These idiots just can't admit that they've been played by the media. Guess that's what happens when you have a persecution complex and the media is constantly giving you a convenient scapegoat.

[–]Gr1pp717 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I personally think they're being played by the very people they hate.

Refugee's basically have the choice of joining ISIL or dying, unless we provide them safe haven. Better, ISIL will attack us regardless of whether we provide safe haven or not. We lose nothing in providing it, ISIL does. So, of course they want to use our fear against us to help them. And these people fall right into it.

[–]MrBoulder 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Then why do muslims have their faces posted everywhere for most other attacks?

[–]Pearlbuck 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure what you mean. Ultimately, every high profile mass shooter/stabber/bomber's face will be revealed, but the delay in this case was no doubt an attempt to stall while a narrative was searched for--one that didn't reinforce Americans' opposition to Muslim immigration here.

[–]-JesusChrysler 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bullshit. And his name and photo have since been released and plastered everywhere.

Looks like your circlejerk fell apart, eh?

[–]Goblicon 25ポイント26ポイント  (8子コメント)

Dickhead or Muslim? I'll bet he's more of a muslim than a dickhead.

[–]Trump_is_Christ 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats because he was shouting "allah ackbar" so he was a muslim and the liberals dont want the religion of peace narrative fucked with

[–]myndzha 36ポイント37ポイント  (12子コメント)

Yay for censorship! If we dont face the problem face to face and call it out it will surely get better! YAY!

[–]nerrrdrage 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

People are so damn dumb with this these days. When this stuff happens, I want to know who, what, when, where, why. I don't want any of it hidden from me. The people who actually believe that hiding this from the public and who want to silence the media are on some North Korea shit and is one of the most disturbing parts of in this country's rapid descent away from intelligence and intellectualism.

[–]Uncut-Stallion 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't the study I'm thinking of, but I'm lazy:

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2016/08/media-contagion.aspx

Increased media coverage seems to lead towards an increase of incidents.

[–]Shigidy 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not what censorship is.

[–]Jwright000 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This event won't make mainstream news because it doesn't support any of the gov/media's current agenda's. Muslim apology and Gun Regulation.

[–]tobias-tonzing981 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know, there was once a time where the media was useful in making sure the suspect was caught more quickly. Now it's all politicized isn't it. I'll tell you one thing. That if it were a stabbing in my city. Then there would be a proper media reaction. They'd take a liaison officer from the police for an interview. And he/she would release the details (as far as the cops know) of what happened, and any relevant details on the suspect (appearence, the vehicle the suspect uses, and the suspect's name if it was known.) But it seems the clowns in national/international media don't have to handle things properly. Actually goes to prove my point. Local is always better as a source of information. You all know, eyes on the ground and all the nuance that comes with it.

[–]mightylordredbeard 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

His name was released though. Also, police don't release names until the investigation is complete. This isn't a "good guy chief" it's someone who's doing his job correctly.

[–]SmilsumKcuf 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Name has been released. Thread is fucking useless.

[–]unkachunka 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How did someone manage to stab 9 people in a mall?

[–]jamestwerk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not his responsibility.

[–]ItawambanBerserker 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How does this have anything to do with him? Why doesn't the public get to know?