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Are we overlooking discussion and criticism of other players while constantly bringing up a certain one? Does anyone want to talk about our other players? [Discussion] (self.reddevils)

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First of all, yes, Mourinho tactics have been pretty poor for the last couple of games (not including the Man City game as I thought that was more down to individual errors). But given how poor our players have looked, individual incompetence cannot be completely attributed to "this system doesn't suit Pogba!","4-3-3!" or something like that, which I've seen a lot here. If a team is otherwise playing very well, even one player's terrible performance is not enough to make the whole team look bad for most of the game. The Europa performance was dire, today was bad in a different way. Rooney is a problem but that's far from even half of our problems.

Pogba may not be playing in his ideal position (even he said he's not sure what it is) but even then he has been disappointing. Don't want to throw out hyperbole but, yes, so far, except the first game he has been very average or worse. Even if he is supposed to play as a DM (which Mourinho is being criticized for) his positional discipline has been lacking and he has been pretty poor at times on the ball and with decision making too. Just accepting that seems to be a problem for many. That doesn't mean he is a flop or anything. He needs time, clearly has some talent but all this pressure may have been getting to him.

Martial hasn't looked good at all for some time now. Not even talking about his lack of goals/assists but it's surprising how his dribbling (one of his best aspects previously) has been ineffective. Could be psychological-with his personal issues and a disappointing Euro campaign (he himself said so).

Zlatan looks good stats wise but he has been average or below average for 3-4 games now.

I thought Rashford didn't play well today either, kept losing the ball. It's alright, given his age, but doesn't mean it should be masked over either.

Shaw I thought was one of our rare bright sparks, but he still has errors in him. Could be argued that he could've done more for the Watford goals.

Smalling I'm still just a bit skeptical about. He is a solid defender but I think nowadays one should have a certain level of quality on the ball which he lacks. Also should be better in the air, got a couple of chances today which could be called almost free headers.

Anyway, what are your thoughts on the rest of the squad and their performances (without bias, at least try)?

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[–]Treebefree 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we need to find players that like to play with each other, and will work hard for each other. Our attackers have no chemistry at all. I feel like it should be obvious in practice who gels together, instead we seem to be playing the tallest most physical team we can.

I'd love to see Memphis given a chance, stick him on the right and tell him to whip that ball in to ibra and rashford. Rooney and the midfielders are the biggest problem. Pogba must be given the freedom and position he needs. Which is one deep lying midfielder and 2 cm's. Put him with Herrera id say. And I know shweiny is blacklisted but he would honestly play well next to pogba imo

[–]wdtpw 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It isn't the players.

I remember Terry Venables taking over England and saying right then that the only change that team needed was when a player got the ball, everyone else needed to find space to give them options.

Same here. We have good players, bar a few lack of confidence performances - but there are constantly no good options for the man with the ball.

It's about the team as a whole, and until this gets fixed picking a different formation or dropping a scapegoat won't do a thing.

[–]wbremen9 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mourinho needs to be criticized.. He has had full summer and financial backing to get the players he wants. He has been always known as a manager to bring instant success, he has also known to not play a very expensive brand of football but be solid defensively. At this point, I don't see any of these things happening, is it the players? is it the system? whatever it is, it's up to mourinho. One thing, I am not able to understand, how Pep or Klopp can go to City and Liverpool and implement their system so quickly. I am not talking about success of the system, I am talking about having a system. We all can see how Pep wants City to play or how Klopp wanted to Liverpool to play after he was appointed their manager. In case of Pep, along with the system, the success is there and with Klopp system is definitely there and looks like they are on their road to be successful. I don't see a system with us and that's what troubling me. Today also, in first half, we were taking the ball wide and getting crosses in, when Moyes did that, he was criticized heavily..

I want to contribute to Pep vs Jose debate and till now Pep has left Jose behind in one way. Making big decisions. Pep knew from first day, what system/brand he want to play and if a club legend didn't fit in his plan (Toure, Hart) he dumped them, not a blink. I was expecting the same with Jose but he has disappointed me. He said Rooney will play 10, I don't see him playing as 10, he is playing deep like he did for England and results are for all of us to see. Just think about this, will Rooney get into Pep's City team? I doubt it. We have players to play better system, better game of football, it's up to the manager to pick them. Jose, it's time to show what you are made of. When Jose was managing Real or Chelsea and we used to play them I always felt his teams were unbeatable and I hated him for that. I don't get the same vibe now :(

[–]antantoonAlpaca Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

. Today also, in first half, we were taking the ball wide and getting crosses in, when Moyes did that, he was criticized heavily..

Moyes was criticised for continuing to do it when it wasn't working against two of the biggest CB's in the league at the time. Mou at least changed it up when it wasn't working although I think the deliveries were what let us down today, that Fulham game the deliveries weren't that bad but they just kept going straight in the area of the CBs.

[–]antantoonAlpaca Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rashford kept getting into good spaces on the right wing today but as he's not a winger his delivery was often poor.

Valencia has returned to his shit crossing ways, he had a lot of time to get his crosses in as he was constantly left on his own but still managed to hit the first man so often.

Smalling and Bailly need to win more duels in the air, same for Zlatan.

We need someone operating between the opposition lines of defence and midfield, we either have players waiting for a cross or sitting deep.

Shaw kept getting caught out position wise but because he's faster than 95% of players in the league so he managed to recover the ball most of the time. He did get some good tackles in however.

I also think when most of the 50/50 challenges are going against your team you can become demoralised quite easily and I think it showed today. Obviously they should be better mentally but as we've seen over the past 3 years this team doesn't have a strong mentality at the moment. I think Mourinho will fix it but people expecting miracles will be dissapointed. I know Mou said we were title contenders but I'm sure he was just saying that to encourage the players to take up the challenge.