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Hypothetical Discussion: 3 at the back formation (self.reddevils)

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Pogba played his best when in a 3 man midfield. Juve lined up 3-5-2. I know Mourinho would never start with this formation but for discussion sake could we play like that?

Blind, Smalling and Bailly in the back. Tony V and Shaw on the wings. Pogba, Herrera, and Fellaini in the middle. Zlatan/Martial and Rooney up top?

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[–]OriArRooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Wouldn't mind giving the Diamond a try.

------------------Carrick/Blind---------------

-------Pogba--------------Herrera/Morgan/Fellaini---------

-----------------Rooney/Mata/Mkhi-----------------------

---------Rashford/Martial----------Zlatan----------

[–]MrD3athGiggsy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pogba plays on the left

[–]OriArRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's where he played in Juve. Edit: Oh got ya, simply switch between Pogba and the other CM then.

[–]SeasickSykesThe King 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Absolute rubbish, I'm sorry.

Not only is Pogba on the wrong side, but playing him at the back of the midfield is a dreadful decision, he single handedly handed Watford a goal today because of his lack of defensive skills, he'd be awful sat there.

Watch him when he makes runs backwards, you'll see what I mean, he's an attacking midfielder and plays better when fed from the back or the wing, that's why we need a CDM behind him to fill that role.

[–]OriArRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is a massive difference to say the least between playing as a half wide player in a diamond than playing b2b in a midfield 2 to say the least.

Way less defensive responsibility.

[–]SeasickSykesThe King 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know why people say Pogba is b2b, his defence isn't good enough for that role, unless I'm missing something.

I still think he's struggle in a diamond, Jose just needs to find his team and stick to a 4.3.3, can't start messing about changing the whole formation, that's a big change IMO

[–]fakeplasticairbagKeane 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You name me a single side that have had success in the PL without playing wingers.

If you don't have wingers you need a team who's incredible at playing through the middle and has world class full back, we are/have neither of those things.

[–]OriArRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Liverpool during the Suarez season have done well.

[–]fakeplasticairbagKeane 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They played Sterling wide most of the time. Yes, they sometimes used a diamond but most of the time it was a 4-3-3 with Sterling wide and Suarez just free to do whatever he wanted.

[–]Livettletlive 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

United don't need to play 3 man defence. They just need to start playing 4-3-3.

Not too much to ask, except, if you NEED to play Rooney...

[–]baby_bomb_squad[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rooney as a right forward then? He did get 2 assists from the wing this season

Idk it seems like Rooney is a must play along with Pogba and Shaw. No manager Louie, Moyes or Mourinho will drop him

[–]lawanhawizy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We practically played 3 at the back versus Feyenoord with Morgan Schneiderlin basically hiding in between Bailly and Smalling.

[–]DenDevil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

are you really think the formations, or some players position are the problem? :D

[–]fakeplasticairbagKeane 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

3 at the back won't work. Pretty much the only place three at the back genuinely works is Italy and South America because young players are brought up playing 3 at the back regularly so actually understand how to play it.

Players like Smalling, Bailly, Shaw have spent their entire careers playing in a back four, it's a system they understand flawlessly.

You can't just suddenly declare you're playing a back 3 and expect everyone to just immediately start playing it likes it FIFA or FM.

We tried 3 at the back under LVG and it was immediately clear that most of our defenders had absolutely no fucking idea how the system works or what the fuck they were supposed to be doing.

[–]kaizoku7 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Er....we just lost to 3-5-2?

We switched to 353 at the end of games and look much better. No reason not to be open to it. It definitely helps with the higher press teams seem to need a lot right now.

[–]fakeplasticairbagKeane 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Watford are beneath us in the table, before today they'd won 1 game all season.

Is that what we're aiming for?

[–]tvrwazzaRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rashford has to be in the 11 what ever the formation you choose, there's no way Rooney gets to come in without him. I know we have seen that happen but this is high time that Jose realizes this. Whatever reason that Jose has about keeping Rooney is seriously not working. Smalling and Bailly are not good passers of the ball but blind is, it would be wise to drop one of them for Blind rather than having all the three, that would take up a spot of Mata or Miki who got the ability to be create chances to score.

[–]theshadowgod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

-------------------Martial------------------

--------------------Zlatan------------------

Rashford--------------------------Mkhitaryan

-------------Blind----Pogba------------------

Shaw----Smalling---Bailly----Valencia

------------------De Gea--------------------------

[–]MikkelDiskerudBebe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

352? Let's throw him a clipboard and call him Louis

[–]CheerfulChaos14 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I agree that the formation should change, but idk about a 3-5-2. I'd vote for a 4-3-3, maybe something like this:

GK - De Gea LB - Shaw CBs - Smalling/Blind & Bailly RB - Valencia CMs - Carrick/Herrera, Schneiderlin, Pogba LW - Rashford/Martial RW - Mata/Mkhi ST - Ibra

Thoughts?

[–]uncreddevilMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Only issue with this- we need to stop playing strikers as wingers. Just saying.

[–]IwanJones10Pogba -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

We've lost the 2 games that we've used 4-3-3 - it's not working

[–]tvrwazzaRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But we got the mid 3 wrong so far mate, if we can find a combo between Ander, Morgan and Carrick coupled with Pogba then it would work. I would like to see how Carrick, Pogba and Ander combo would work.

[–]GoodGuyManuEvra -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That actually doesn't sound that bad. I quite like the idea, honestly. Where does Mhiki play though? I don't see that happening though but who knows.