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"Libreboot screwup" from the other developers of Libreboot (zammit.org)

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[–]mhsabbagh[S] 29ポイント30ポイント  (11子コメント)

Here's more drama in replying to FSF.

[–]pyrrhic_victor 44ポイント45ポイント  (3子コメント)

She [Leah Rowe] would also like the $6120 USD that she donated to the FSF since 2015 to be refunded to her by the FSF.

Ahh, I see.

I would like to be refunded the $1337 USD that I donated to my local church in 1999.

[–]olmu1944 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

What an elitist sum you donated.

[–]pyrrhic_victor 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

And like an elitist, I won't be paying taxes on that money when the church gives it back.

[–]suspiciously_calm 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would like the $1337 Holy Roman Empire Dollars that I donated to the church in 1337, adjusted for inflation.

[–]Dijit 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

Could someone explain what actually happened? She seems supremely upset and is calling for war, but I have a hard time believing the FSF is anti-trans, anti-women or anything similar.

I could be wrong, but if this is just another hypersensitive ninny throwing their self-percieved weight around then I'm going to donate more than usual to spite this kind of behaviour.

[–]JB_UK [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The accusation is here:

The employee (who I won't name, because I don't want her harrassed) was being harassed by another employee who was transphobic. Her fellow co-worker sided with him and then she started standing up for herself because she was being bullied. She was identified as a threat to the FSF's internal stability and then she was fired. What should have happened is the people bullying her should have been fired. [Then goes on to give two names]

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00053.html

The statement from the FSF doesn't talk about specifics (you'd expect them not to), except to say the employee was fired for an unrelated reason.

[–]rich000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I doubt you'll ever find out. In general you can fire anybody in the US without a reason, but if you state a reason you could get sued over it if it is false/discriminatory/etc. So, employers with half a brain will never tell you why they're getting rid of you.

She blasts the press release for being a fairly typical response to this sort of situation. It isn't like the FSF is going to go on the record with their side of the story.

[–]Leelaroo 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The FSF isn't Anti-Trans or Anti-Women, someones just got a knife to grind and is attacking the FSF to do it

[–]Camarade_Tux 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

That explains why I had started to think that libreboot was a single-person project.

[–]FUZxxl 43ポイント44ポイント  (4子コメント)

And yet again there you see the common strategy of people proclaiming themselves as “community leaders” to put more weight behind their ridiculous opinions. Seriously, I've begun to hate the word “community” because when someone says “the community wants xyz” it's almost certainly that the person who says that wants xyz and nobody else cares. It's a cheap trick that has been overused.

[–]cp5184 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's sort of funny her speaking for coreboot, and this guy speaking "for the contributors"...

[–]Sigb 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, but that still does not validate that she speaks for them either. It just tells you to not be surprised if each and every one of the developers has a slightly different opinion.

[–]thecraiggers [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They're called weasel words, and they've been in use for as long as language has existed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word

[–]gigolo_daniel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Go over to r/starcraft and marvel in the "Blizzard does not listen to the community!" posts which come down to "Blizzard did something I disagreed with and I'll just act like my views are shared by everyone who ever touched this game."

[–]Ninja_Fox_ 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

He said on the mailing list he will now be contributing to coreboot (the upstream project from libreboot) from now on.

Its good to know the effort to get libre code on devices will not be ruined by this one mess up

[–]Parasymphatetic 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah internet drama!

[–]redsteakraw 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well that was a shitty thing for Leah to do. When you are talking for a group you have to at the very least check to see if the group agrees.

[–]FUZxxl 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you are talking for a group you have to at the very least check to see if the group agrees.

That's such a 20th century thing to do.

[–]suspiciously_calm 9ポイント10ポイント  (10子コメント)

Do I see a fork in the road?

[–]FUZxxl 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I believe a takeover of the project leadership is more likely.

[–]mhsabbagh[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think so, looks like she controls everything: the website, the git repository, the mailing lists, the domain name.. No one can take the project back without her acceptance, which is - from her responses- I don't think it will happen soon.

A fork or people going to coreboot is more likely.

[–]FUZxxl 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The GNU project can tell her to get stuffed since librebroot is part of it. The remaining libreboot developers could also take the project to a new site without her leadership. It's not that she has trademarked the name or something.

[–]destraht 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ha, then she would only keep not much more than a domain name. GNU would have to live with something like libreboot-project.org.

[–]KugelKurt -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Libreboot already is a fork of Coreboot, just with "OMG, need to make it more free by removing support for Windows"-patches.

[–]scriptmonkey420[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

How is that more free when it restricts what people can use on their system?

[–]Corky98 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's got nothing to do with Windows. Libreboot is coreboot with zero binary blobs, so less hardware compatibility. The libreboot project has in some cases managed to get rid of blobs on some hardware and coreboot has benefitted from it. They also have a much more user friendly image building tool, but only for a very limited set of hardware.

[–]khrakhra [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's free as in radicals not free as in beer or speech.

[–]Mewshimyo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is why Stallman and his friends are not held in such high regard.

[–]DoctorJellyface [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The same as BSD is more free the the GPL.

Note that Libreboot only supports a handful of devices which don't need proprietary binary blobs for the CPU to run, so it's not just that.

[–]malice_hero [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Its good to know the effort to get stuffed since librebroot is part of it.

[–]tehburgerlover 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Is this controversy being censored? Although this post has almost 1000 comments, it is being completely ignored in other subreddits (/r/programming, /r/freesoftware, etc.).

I've also checked HN and had to use the "show submissions from URL" feature to find this. It has been flagged and removed from submissions.

[–]pZrSMxwFINZd4fzsPrn6 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably they just don't care or don't want thousands of petty comments and fighting. The comments sections of these threads are more of a slow motion train wreck than the actual "news" itself.

[–]kaltigur [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

hn always falls on the side of whatever idiot is crying oppression.

[–]sanity [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

r/programming has fairly low tolerance for internet drama, fairly sure this would be considered off-topic there.

[–]akerro 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well. such promising project is dead now. Fuck you Leah, fuck Libreboot.

[–]mgoerlich 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do you assume a opensource software will die just because ONE crazy maintainer is getting a mental breakdown? That's what forks are for.

[–]KugelKurt 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well. such promising project is dead now.

What was ever promising about a less compatible fork of Coreboot?

[–]gigolo_daniel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Damien, stop being so transphobic, love.

I love this drama by the way.