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[–]StopBreakingFrame 94ポイント95ポイント  (57子コメント)

LTR's are trench warfare, dude. And those little compromises are additive.My last LTR had much go her way, but she was younger, smart, and hot so frankly she had advantages over me. Once you compromise too much, you lose all authority and might as well start over with a new woman.

[–]razormachine 31ポイント32ポイント  (52子コメント)

While compromises are necessary ans part of everyday life. LTR is a trench warfare. Woman are masters at using compromise to chip away power from man. As they chip away that power they lose respect for man.

Common example. Woman will try to gain something out of you of great value while sacrificing something of small value, and usually they will present themselves as the losing side in that compromise.

[–]noaydi 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I would like to hear real life example of kind of small value and high value compromise stuff. Sometime stuff that have high value for someone don't have any for other person (there are commonly accepted value, too, but I bet we don't speak about that here). this is at a personnal level. I'm not trying to bullshit your opinion, this is perhaps the truth anyway (in that case what you describe is pure manipulation. Politic and war strategy in love).

[–]razormachine 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

OK so some RL examples from LTR's. Yesterday my friend asked me for advice on this one, so it is a fresh one. He just started a LTR relationship with a woman, and several days ago he visited his children from his previous marriage. When she found out about it she first pulled the dread game on him. And then accused him of seeing his children. Her rationalization his visit was an equivalent of her seeing her ex-boyfriend. This is a example of woman chipping away power from man. Visiting your children is not an equivalent of visiting your ex, if he admits it is an equivalent then there are two possible outcomes. 1. He can't see his children anymore (he loses). 2. He can see his children but she can see her ex-boyfriend (again he loses). Only good outcome is cases like this is to point out that those two things are not equivalent, stand your ground and refuse to compromise.

From RL experiences there are also compromises where man is on the losing side however he should still compromise. For instance once my LTR asked me to make a detour to pick up some of her stuff. In this situation I'm on the losing side, I lose like 5-10 minutes of my time. However 5-10 minutes are like... not big of a deal, and she gains a lot by picking up her stuff. This is a part of functional LTR, I'm going to sacrifice a bit of value so she can gain something even more valuable. However it is important that she reciprocates. So there, those are two examples of when to compromise and when not to compromise. It's important to analyse the cost-benefit factor for yourself, her and you as a couple. It's also important to figure out when she just want's "free-stuff" and tries to trick you into compromising. Again all of this is important only for LTR. When it comes to plates you shouldn't compromise at all. Simply use the image of commitment as a carrot.

[–]noaydi 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ok thx for your time. I can agree, this is ok example of wrong compromise. The first one is scandalous. What kind of women do that...

[–]razormachine 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What kind of women do that...

A bitch kind of woman. I had chosen that example because it is an unsubtle clear attempt of "power struggle". Those attempts can be subtle. Sometimes a woman will simply test man how far she can go. Just like children do.

[–]reigorius 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It won't be trench warfare if one learns to put up boundaries and enforces them. I learned that the hard way. Besides, key is not giving a fuck if that is not what they want. Tell them they are free to go. Release yourself from the desire and burden to need to be with someone. And do you.

Forget all that crap of women not being attracted to a supplicating, compromising dude. It's crap because then you are looking at yourself from a womans perspective. So many posts, replies and outside sources do that. That is seeing things backwards. Look out for what you want, what is good for you or what is the healthy thing to do for you. That matters, not what might be attractieve to girls. Lift because you want to adore your own body in the mirror, feel the strength, not to get more pussies.

Trust me, girls are not that unique or special. Most of them think, act and behave the same. The ones that are worth sharing your time with, are the ones that keep your wishes and boundaries in mind. Ones that Love to pleaese you. Ones that are fun to be with. The rest should weed themselves out or they supplicate to you if you learn to put up good, strong and healthy boundaries.

If this is new, just don't put up with shit. Err on the side of overprotecting your values, self-respect, emotions or whatever you call your boundaries. Women will put up a fight, but let them and it won't stop. You don't have to get angry when they step over one. Just tell them, hey, not cool. I prefer this and that. If they ignore or disrespect said boundaries, walk away.

But, here's the crutch, a man can only walk away if he gets rid of our engrained need to be with a woman. Desire them, but don't feel the need to be with one.

I find girls quite enjoyable company.

[–]StopBreakingFrame 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hell yes. I found that out the hard way too.

I really, really love the company of women. I'm also a nice guy who can't really help himself on the matter. But what I can help myself on is the boundaries. Enforcing my own boundaries is new territory for me.

I'm calling those boundaries Frame. I know it's a corruption from the official definition, but it's helpful to me. I have a pretty specific set of plans and goals, and distraction from them is unacceptable.

The gold in your post is this: you have to be willing to walk away.

I can defend my first marriage, but not my second. It was an unmitigated disaster. And here's what not walking cost me: While I was in college in my late 30's (riding out the Great Recession) I let 3-4 delicious young women get away because I had my head up my second wife's ass. Constant fighting, I should have just walked. It helped nothing and just added to the wreckage. I shouldn't have married her at all, but when I was done, I should have owned it and walked.

If you're not willing to walk, you're never going to implement a sexual strategy like the one described in Red Pill, and you're probably going to get railroaded one way or another.

[–]TheReformist94 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So psychological abuse in small packets from women is a given,to be accepted in small little parcels to "test your frame". Shall we start giving them the odd smack in the face or thrashing to give them the male equivalent?

[–]StopBreakingFrame 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck no, and the mods will rightly bring down the banhammer for posts about hitting women.

The solution is to have a fucking goal in your life. Organize your life. Stick to your guns. Women dig that, but that's not the point.....the point is to take care of yourself.

[–]Retspihi 152ポイント153ポイント  (4子コメント)

Refusing to compromise is literally what gets women wet

[–]chiefbl 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Before finding TRP, understanding women would have seemed kind of impossible. I still find it amusing how ironic it actually is to work them. Go against what they expect of you, and you make them wet. They want you to compromise? Fuck that. They expect you to chase them till the end of time? Fuck that. Personally, it's like trying to lucid dream. The more I want it and the harder I try, the lower the chance I will succeed in having one. The same logic applies to women.

[–]StopBreakingFrame 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the top comment in the thread, not mine.

[–]silentlyfurious 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It gives me a self-respect boner. It should do the same to you too if you're loving yourself as much as you should be.

[–]Degenyamine 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Most people are afraid to go after what they truly want, and so constantly come up with mental hurdles to stop themselves. If you never attempt anything spectacular, then you never have to worry about failure. Mediocrity isn't that bad,is it?

"I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game-winning shot, and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life, and that is why I succeed."

-Michael Jordan

[–]Raikkonen716 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a good post.

Love yourselves guys. And don't lie to you.

Lying to yourself is when the problems start.

[–]Crimson_Cleric 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Solid copy. You've been laying down some scripture recently. Thank you.

[–]Gardrothard 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Men often think that if they give of themselves this one time, then there will come a point where they will be rewarded for their selflessness and get what they deserve."

Yeah, energy conservation illusion. Unfortunately, in most cases some other guy picks up fruits of that work.

[–]polakfury 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do men combat this mindset in current times?

[–]__ROOSTER__ 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd say your friend didn't compromise so much as he bought the narrative. He listed attributes, probably all ones that make up a good man. Education, travel, job, sports/hobbies, languages, etc.

He didn't list horrible patriarchal misogamist things like : attractive, sexy, loyal, good cook, good housekeeper, pleasing and giving, looks up to me, etc

He bought the lie, thats all

[–]Atrophe1 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

All compromise has to fall on her in an LTR. Her desires, her life goals, her sensibilities, her values and even her fucking dignity cease to exist if it so much as inconveniences you. You hold all the power in your LTR and it should be effortless for you to bounce over any perceived slight regardless of trivial. She's a fucking dime a dozen boys. She wants it this way and believe me, you should too.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I asked to see his new girlfriend, and the minute I laid eyes on her, I knew exactly what was causing the E.D. His girlfriend was a short, chubby girl, probably no more than a 6. She wasn't repulsive by any means--she just wasn't anything that would inspire any man to go animal and ravage her. My friend, on the other hand, was a decent looking guy with a good job--he was always a tech guy and got into a good school with a very bright future--no model, but someone whom you'd expect to at least pull a good looking girl.

Decent looking guy, below average girlfriend. This must be in the USA or other Anglophone country.

[–]urbredd14 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's Raw! I never looked at compromise from that perspective before, thanks!

[–]Mckallidon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of the best posts I've read lately. So true in every arena of life. People often conflate their compromises with their true limits to deny their fears and failures and rarely move past the first stage of grieving for their shitty lives. The whole society is designed to perpetuate this. Feminism perpetuates this in our relationships for both parties. We would all be kings if we got in touch with our own inner Tyler Durden.

[–]PantsonFire1234 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I knew exactly what was causing the E.D. His girlfriend was a short, chubby girl, probably no more than a 6. She wasn't repulsive by any means--she just wasn't anything that would inspire any man to go animal and ravage her.

My man! Knowledge oozes from your post, insight so rare that few Shitlords may understand. You speak truths.

When I was plugged in I dated this thick/chubby girl. She was a six at best, just like you described, she wasn't ugly or anything but she just lacked sex appeal. This girl was a first degree bitch and probable bpd. I had considerable difficulties finishing with her, I tried oiling up my dick to increase head sensitivity- and more funny shit like that.

The only reason why I stuck to her was because she was really really into me (bpd case) and I was obviously blue pill plugged. Eventually we split and she unloaded a beehive of insults towards me. One of them being some graphic retelling of some rough dicking she'd had in the past, implying that I wasn't her best.

Which is all good and nice but if you look like a cardboard box with zits on your ass, how could you expect some guy to want to fuck you silly.

Took me a long time to realize the problem was mostly with her, rather than with me (sexually).

[–]JackJohnsonJohnMayer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great observations, thanks for posting this

[–]1falling_tiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a real connection between compromise and being beta:

"Sometimes you just have learn to compromise, alright?"

I heard that sentence from my father multiple times when growing up. Often enough to remember clearly, and in preference to any other positive, more useful messages he may have left. Imagine leaving that as your legacy!

[–]Iliceon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Compromise should mean that both of the parties get something out of their agreement. Usually though, compromise means that one person got what they wanted and the other got the illusion that they got something too.

[–]Rommel0502 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont mind compromise if Im still getting the core of what I want and not really giving up anything that important to me to get it.