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r/southpark. gross. gross. gross. (np.reddit.com)

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[–]patsfan94 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I honestly have no clue whether or not the alt-right obsession with 'race war' is more hilarious or frightening.

[–]StrongStyleSavior[S] 22ポイント23ポイント  (20子コメント)

i dont watch this shitty show. is south park anti-semitic propaganda now?

[–]ExistentialEnso 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of the creators (Matt Stone) is Jewish. Say what you will about the episode, I think it's a stretch that that was their intent.

[–]kiohoka 32ポイント33ポイント  (17子コメント)

> Now
> Implying it wasn't always terrible

[–]StrongStyleSavior[S] 21ポイント22ポイント  (16子コメント)

i mean. i didnt really watch it before either. but i didnt think they catered to outright nazis?

[–]kiohoka 13ポイント14ポイント  (15子コメント)

It used to be mocking republicans, because propertarians like the show's creators were more "weed is cool, gay people are fine, but haha black jokes" back then, whereas now it has developed into basically full on nationalist bullshit.

[–]ExistentialEnso 43ポイント44ポイント  (5子コメント)

The show has always mocked both the left wing and the right. The creators have said on numerous occasions they are libertarians who hate both mainstream political parties.

They have before used the "giant douche and turd sandwich" metaphor that cropped up again tonight to illustrate their dissatisfaction with both Democrats and Republicans.

A lot of old episodes attacked liberals almost exclusively: the hybrid cars/smug episode, the smoking episode, etc. Hell, one of the early episodes from the 90s is all about why hate crime legislation shouldn't be a thing.

The only blatant change of politics I have noticed is that they now support trans rights (even if they mock Caitlyn Jenner mercilessly), to the point where they devote an entire episode to mocking people afraid to share the restroom with trans people.

There are plenty of ways you can criticize the show, but your assessment of the evolution of the show is just outright wrong.

They also routinely mock America to the point where I don't see how you can make any claim that they are being nationalistic. Team America: World Police was essentially one giant critique of American nationalism/neoimperialism.

[–]kiohoka 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well my overall point is that the show tends to follow whatever the propertarian consensus is at the time. In the 90s it was to mock liberals for being "hippies," in the mid to late 2000s it was more of mocking conservatives.

Nationalism wasn't the correct term, I should just say "general alt-right crap, to a certain extent." Also, Team America was made in 2004, when I claimed that the show switched tone recently.

[–]ExistentialEnso 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well my overall point is that the show tends to follow whatever the propertarian consensus is at the time. In the 90s it was to mock liberals for being "hippies," in the mid to late 2000s it was more of mocking conservatives.

And my overall point is that that that simply isn't true. The show has never really focused on one over the other.

The most prominent episode that mocks hippies, "Die Hippie, Die," is from 2005. The mid-late 00s saw them mock hybrids, Hillary Clinton, climate change (twice, once with Al Gore, another with The Day After Tomorrow), metrosexual culture, transgender people, among others.

The show has always had a considerable variety in its subject matter.

"general alt-right crap, to a certain extent."

I don't know where you get this at all. Because of their mocking of safe spaces and PC culture? I think it was a misplaced criticism that reflects their white/cishet/male privilege, but calling it "alt-right" is a stretch, especially considering the other politics they have espoused in the past few seasons.

For one, though they portray Caitlyn Jenner as a terrible person (a sentiment shared by much of the trans community), they support the validity of trans identities and the right of trans people to use the bathroom of that corresponds to their identity. Meanwhile, the alt-right is insanely transphobic, to the point most alt-right publications make a point of misgendering and deadnaming people.

They also explored the subject of gentrification, and how it has deleterious effects on lower class communities, pricing them out of their neighborhood, portraying it in a very negative light. This not only contradicts typical alt-right perspectives, but it even is different from the standard libertarian/propertarian "let the free market decide" view.

And, if there is any political standard bearer of the alt-right, it is Donald Trump. In the show's universe, he became president of Canada, turning it into a wasteland in the process. Mr. Garrison replaces Trump as the 2016 candidate, but the show portrays him in an extremely negative light. Though tonight's episode did call Clinton a "turd sandwich," the vast majority of the content about the 2016 election is anti-Trump, either by mocking Canadian President Trump or Garrison-as-Trump.

Team America was made in 2004, when I claimed that the show switched tone recently.

I am aware. Still, it illustrates that they historically have held low opinions of nationalism, which, while it does not exclude an evolution of their positions, is absolutely relevant context.

[–]SlavojVivec 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Season 19 ended with a critique of the effects of advertising on the media, and tied it with issues of sensationalism, political polarization, gentrification, and other topics explored that season. It couldn't be a further departure from free-marketism as none of these problems could be traced back to governmental causes, but I don't think that it stops people from seeing it how they want to see it.

Unfortunately for Trey Parker and Matt Stone, their reputation for being "libertarians" was foisted upon them, and their ideologically-motivated fanbase can't see past "South Park made fun of political correctness" to see a deeper critique of neoliberalism. This episode mocked their fanbase's nostalgia for the "douche vs turd" episode of years past, and I think this season will see more of their creators showing that they have moved on.

[–]kiohoka 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

You bring up fair points. Id give you a delta or whatever it's called but we aren't on cmv.

[–]InHelixWeGust 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

The creators have said multiple times they hate liberals far more than conservatives.

[–]Kzraxus 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cardboard neutrality excuse to justify catering to the alt right.

[–]HyborianPerspectives 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

developed into basically full on nationalist bullshit.

I don't even watch South Park and I know this is bullshit. The South Park counterjerk is becoming AngryDM-tier.

[–]pink_gabriel 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

And the anti-AngryDM jerk is becoming tiresome. Dude's not that bad AFAIK, and it's lame as fuck to target people when they're not even relevant to this discussion.

[–]HyborianPerspectives 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I brought it up because AngryDM had similar opinions about $outh ParKKK being literally Hitler.

[–]pink_gabriel 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Is that what he said? I genuinely am curious.

[–]snotbowst 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

He brought it up every comment he made it felt. Obsession level with the show. Anytime anyone advocated any sort of moderacy or middle ground he'd jump in with a "DAE LE SOUTH PARK TRUTH IS IN THE MIDDLE"

[–]pink_gabriel -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've seen one or two of his comments on South Park, but he wasn't the only one saying those things. I definitely do think -- and this is out of context, so it doesn't necessarily refute your criticism -- that South Park is most flawed when looked at as a show that "criticizes everything." That kind of aggressive neutrality doesn't make somebody less racist/sexist/whatever. I can't speak to what the creators think, but South Park is not a smart show and people who take it as legitimate political commentary are fooling themselves. At best it's just two guys farting around with observational humor. I'd figure everybody would agree with at least some of that, but then again we're on Reddit so who knows.

But what I was asking the other user is, did AngryDM actually say anything ressembling "$outh ParKKK being literally Hitler?" How much of that is hyperbole? Because if the guy just doesn't like South Park and gets into disagreements with people who don't take that position, then I've seen worse on this sub. There have been hate-trolls, advicates for violence and people who just say, "You can't like what I don't like because it's bad!" That last one is obnoxious and might be what you're talking about, but if AngryDM's disagreement is a political one then it's not as if he has no ground to stand on, which is why I was interested in how he phrased the comment(s) in question.

I just know that I've seen other subs try to put users from circlebroke on blast before and honestly, it gets old. I think targeting users because they're being melodramatic or redundant is goofy in the context of the heinous shit we see every day on this sub. Then again, I can understand why you'd get tired of somebody making the same comment over and over again, so I can't say I have much of an opinion. I'm just perplexed as hell.

[–]Princess-Caroline 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, did anyone here actually watch the episode? this is an insane misinterpretation.