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The "Mattress Performance" and surrounding controversey (self.SRSDiscussion)

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I know it's old news, but I couldn't find anything in the search bar in this sub. I was wondering what peoples opinions about the whole controversy were. It's a bit of a vague question but I just couldn't find any other posts about it.

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[–]peace_for_everyone 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

There have been several discussions about it on this sub, but mods decided to delete most (if not all) of the old threads, for reasons known only to them.

[–]computeBuild[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

ah thats unfortunate, this is usually the most levelheaded place to talk about touchy topics

[–]computeBuild[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

to add, i only really saw this on the rest of reddit, and just constantly saw posts about how there was evidence that she made false accusations. Did that end up being legitimate?

[–]therapy 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

We'll probably never know. Like in many of these cases, only the two people in the room can know for sure. The evidence both ways is suggestive, so a case could be made for either side, but neither with much certainty.

If he raped her, then what she did was very brave, remarkable even.

If he didn't, then her actions victimized him with institutional support, which is very troubling to think about.

We'll just have to live with the doubt.

[–]computeBuild[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

i agree, we cant really do much more but to think about the good that has come of it. and the cautions that need to be taken in the future (the legal mess that it turned out to be)

[–]misandry_compiler -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

There was no evidence that she made it up at all. Its not really appropriate to give voice to rape "doubters", talking about them serves no useful purpose

[–]TreuUndGlauben 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not talking about "them" serves "their" purpose I think and it enforces existing trenches.

Personally I believe it is a good disarming tactic to go the extra round and actually do the work of talking through the issues with people who seem to be on the other side of the issue. I think that is where the crucial work is done to provoke change. It defuses a possible vacuum of silence that feeds opressive narratives and it creates a space to disarm wrong beliefs where they are the most acute.

It's a Sisyphus work yes, but that's what a big part of social work looks like and precisely why it is such a big struggle to change oppressive structures in society, doing two times the work with half the ressources and with little to no feel of accomplishment.

I don't know what else could actually be the final link to connect all the hard work of activism into social change.

[–]tothestore 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Emma Sulkowicz made something inspiring out of the pain in her past so good for her.

[–]Lolor-arros 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

A woman is sexually assaulted in the US every 90 seconds...so yeah, she was fighting the good fight.

I know of one rapist at the college I attended. Six victims, no consequences. At all.

Anything to bring visibility to that kind of thing is great, and much needed.

[–]therapy 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

I get the sentiment, but I have to disagree with "anything". Sometimes using all means necessary can backfire, like in the Rolling Stone case.

[–]throwaway12345412 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah absolutely. The most lurid and unbelievable incidents seem to be the ones that are used to try and rally people - and it turns out that the unbelievable incidents are also the most likely to genuinely not have happened

[–]Meguminn -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even if those specific allegations turned out to be false, I still think it was a net good in that it brought some attention to the massive problem of rape culture.

[–]computeBuild[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

i can see how it really brings to light how poorly universities handle these things

the performance, in a vacuum, i think did a great job of bringing attention to rape culture.

however, if the allegations were actually false, i think there would be a serious amount of backlash. there's a lot of people who already buy into the narrative that false rape accusations are norm.

[–]misandry_compiler -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think its amazing that she perservered with her art and making a statement, even after all the dudebros on the internet harassing her with their usual bullshit. She was raped, and she was able to transform her experience into art that will hopefully inspire others to speak up. We are NOT invisible. We will NOT be told to shut up.

[–]sexisaconstruct -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

wow are we being brigaded more than usual.