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[–]OneRedYear 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm into djing electronic music. I used to be a promoter. Every girl I dated started liking the music I liked. It's what they do if they want to be a part of your tribe.

If foreigners conquer her villiage does she learn to adopt their customs or does she flaunt her distaste for Thor values and end up dead?

[–]1awalt_cupcake 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's what they do if they want to be a part of your tribe.

I like the way you stated that

[–]Eyes_Of_The_Dragon 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

My sister, as a teen, would always mimic the clothing style and musical choices of the boys she would date. As an adult, she started adopting the diet and religious choices of the men she dated as well.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

Good conclusion.

That is why you:

  • Never put yourself in a position where a woman's bullshit and fakeness could affect you during or after the relationship.

It should be irrelevant "who she really is on the inside" as long as she's keeping you happy for the duration of the relationship.

  • Take a really long-ass time* before you enter any LTR that may affect you financially or legally.

If she's faking it, the longer you take before you admit her into an LTR, the harder it will be for her to keep up appearances.

*scientifically speaking, a 'really long-ass time' is at least 2 years, because love hormones.

[–]piquete91 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is a great response, especially the part about her keeping you happy. It doesn't matter who she really is, life is a series of moments. I strive to enjoy each one, and if a woman makes my moments more enjoyable for a time I couldn't give a shit less if she's faking it or not. I'm enjoying myself and eventually will find anther chick, just as it will be another guys turn soon enough. Enjoy the moment.

[–]aewiggin 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Really good advice.

At the end of the day, that's the only reason you should keep girls around; because they're fun. No moralistic bullshit, not because of "responsibility" or "obligations" (assuming you're child-free) or "love".

Enjoy your time with them until they're no longer worth it.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm nexting one now...hurts plenty, but the shit is outweighing the yummy.

[–]RedPillAdviser[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's the best attitude to have, but you've basically reached above the "target" for this post. Not everyone understands it

[–]piquete91 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks man, and I'm also nexting a chic now that I thought may be ltr material but the bullshit popped up and I didn't want to stick around to watch it slowly outweigh the fun. Life is short. Thanks for the post man, it was definitely insightful

[–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is definitely a concept I've run into while reflecting on past LTRs. How does a man accurately measure a female's worth as a partner when that woman is doing the chameleon thing?

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. The best answer I've come up with is patience, and giving time for the chameleon to show her true colors.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, you can watch her interactions with co-workers, parents, children (whoever's)and strangers. They will show who they really are by default more often to others than to you. This will show you a decent view of her character and moral compass.

[–]RedPillAdviser[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't rush into anything. In fact, from my experience, women often let their guard down and behave as their "true selves" in certain contexts (around friends, while tipsy/drunk, when they have power over someone). Like the Red Pill says, don't offer all of "yourself" straight up. Be mysterious. Be controlled. This makes it more difficult for women to emulate you.

[–]ApexScorpion 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Had an LTR that cracked her facade after 2 years. I wanted to see what she was capable of.

She ended up completely cracking enough for me to piece together the bullshit. I believe this is why they push so hard for things like cohabitation and marriage because sometimes they slip up and a red flag peeks at you, then you're on alert. It's similar to us slipping up and doing some beta shit.

I remember asking her for honesty. Only got trickle truth after I saw a few things. I believe if they are deeply attracted to you, they will play the part and cover up everything you might disapprove of, in fear of losing you. The longer you go, the more they slip up. It might take months, or worse, even years to see. The veil always rises in the face of her peers though. The broads she hangs with get the game plan, play by play. You don't.

Great post OP.

[–]Verve11 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I believe this is why they push so hard for things like cohabitation and marriage because sometimes they slip up and a red flag peeks at you, then you're on alert. It's similar to us slipping up and doing some beta shit.

Man this is a great comparison.

[–]slerpaderp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could be, but I think it's more of an evolutionary impulse. Some things about women's behavior seems to a conscious thought process, but the VAST majority really does not. Hence hamstering. They don't even know what they're doing or thinking half the time.

[–]mitzibishi 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

About 3 years of living together is the going rate when the mask starts to slip and the real person reveals themselves

[–]ApexScorpion 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seeing through a red lens, it shouldn't take this long unless she's a damn good actress. It also depends on your naivety which TRP greatly reduces.

[–]Stythe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm in agreement. I can usually start to see red flags immediately. People aren't very good at hiding them. This is especially true now since most people are self-absorbed and try to explain and justify shitty behaviour. I also find that acting indifferent and jovial in conversation while keeping g my preferences to myself allows me to easily get information that wouldn't be offered up otherwise. Just last week I met a girl for a date and she didn't put out. I got her to admit she's done it before however so I know where I stand. Shes got 1 or 2 more dates depending on circumstances to show me before I next.

[–]scamper_22 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is very true. They say all of society is built upon myths. In a way, a 'traditional' society best maintains these myths.

A man marries a virgin is likely to see her 'adapt' to him in her chameleon way and this keeps the myth of her as a good girl who is in with his life style.

In the same manner, a girl who marries her first guy is going to see him as a myth. First person to provide her with sex. First leader outside her father.

Date a few and the nature of men and women appear and you lose the myth.

[–]itsawomensworld 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I remember almost breaking up with my last ltr cuz I'd like trick her and say something dumb and shed always agree.

I enjoy debate so it was frustrating. I like being with intelligent people and copying people is unintelligent and therefore unattractive to me.

Basically, I had a talk with her after and said you better not be so fucking agreeable cuz I hate that. But yeah it was hilarious early on how she loved everything. She loved my driving everything I did was perfect. Then when things were going less well she would start complaining about the things that were perfect before.

[–]slerpaderp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep lol know this all too well.

But yeah one should never debate with them. Just a waste of time and chips away at your frame in their eyes.

[–]Hanjobsolo1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't tell you how many women I have seen all of the sudden become huge "fans" of whatever sports team their current boyfriend likes. You will never see men suddenly change sports team affiliations but women will without question if it means they fit in more.

[–]RedPillDan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree 100%. I've often compared women to actors on stage. The part they play depends on the audience and more importantly, how she wants that audience to see her.

[–]Project_Thor 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why you make your hobbies be something that is challenging, therefore they can't fake it. So you find the ones who do it and the rest help you with it.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

You frame it as being a chameleon, as if there is actual deceit intended, a logical assumption. Good observations.

But a more logical assumption, is less successful people, will sunconsciously copy successful people. This is why celebrity enforcements work. The social evolutionary reason is it is hard to tell what makes the person successful, of you have a low intelligence the logical thing is to copy everything he does. So if he wears a lucky rabbit foot, you copy that because maybe it might be what is causing his success.

It appears this behaviour is subconsciously built into animals.

[–]RedPillAdviser[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, this is definitely true. I was thinking about putting it in this but it's enough material for another post.

In particular, beta men will often forfeit their own morals/personality in order to fit in. They despise the feeling of being left out and have a totally malleable personality. I have noticed this myself- just little phrases and mannerisms get copied around groups- usually beginning from the leader (alpha). If you notice people doing this around you it's a sign you're projecting a powerful, influential frame; keep doing it.

[–]NightShun 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good point. I think this emulation amongst beta males ties back into your post where you discuss how women are more susceptible to adhering to mindless trends. Similar behaviors are prevalent within betas because they're also victims of this group think.

As we all know, one startling result of a femiminized society is the ostracization of anyone who deviates from "law" of the hive mind. I propose that betas don't just despise being left out, they fear the effects of marginalization. I don't think it's coincidental that there are so many women walking around with green hair and dudes with man buns.

[–]Forcetobereckonedwit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good post and oft forgotten trait. Thanks.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

the problem of fake women

AWALT. A woman will take the shape of their container. The problem is that marriage no longer contains.

[–]Jakecarguy 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is actually true. I ride a bike.I have seen girls saying "I like X bike so much" even when they like other bikes more.

Here is what I have felt.If you a true alpha,your girl will try to be exactly like your feminine person.That means,if you are a man with Masculine traits,she will be the exact person that you are but with feminine traits.

This is why guys sometimes say "You are exactly like me".We connect on a whole new level.Women do this on purpose.

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[–]mitzibishi 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Tell me something I dont know, women pretend at the start of the relationship that they like having fun and living. By the end its a different story, they dont like doing fun things, that was in the past, they have changed grown up blah blah, now they like eating, laying around and being moody, not because they are cunts but a self diagnosed medical condition. Depression, whatever.

They do nothing you want but complain that you dont do anything for them, they fake happiness on social media and are only happy for a quick fix after taking a selfie and seeing the likes or views they get and bragging on fakebook about the material things you have acquired or forced moments they have photographed which is not the true reality of that situation. After the initial attention fix they go back to laying on the bed reading a book being miserable.

[–]the_savvyhead 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Shoot do you know my ex? lol painfully accurate

[–]1awalt_cupcake 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I'm starting to think maybe all ads aren't so bad"

"Jimmy, you're thinking with your dick"

Relevant SP

[–]Sawagurumi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure I see it as a curse - and yes, I have definitely seen what you are talking about in every relationship with a woman I have had. My interests become her interests, my political opinions become hers, etc. You can call it fake if you like, but really it is because women take the shape of their container, they are 'pleasers' by nature, herd animals. If you are leading a relationship, then the mere act of following means she will conform to you. That makes for a smoother relationship with less contention.

And if the relationship ends, and she then adopts a different attitude, interests or behaviour, so what? You no longer care. I think in this case you are blaming women for not being men. You would not trust a man who changed his ideas and interests so readily (to conform, not because of rational argument), which is all fine, but this is an area where women being different is actually advantageous to relationships with them. They do fall down and disappoint in lots of ways, but I don't count this as one of them.

[–]slerpaderp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup. Have had past LTR's completely take my word for everything and take instruction with grace, and when things fizzled (largely due to slipups - as I was still learning TRP, among other factors), the flip was switched like night and day.

Chameleons for sure.

[–]TheGatherHunter 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Men are physically larger, but have a greater chance of being stupid and emotionally unintelligent.

Did you come to this conclusion after watching a sitcom?

Not that you're wrong, men are more likely to be stupid. They're also more likely to be geniuses. Overall we have about a five point advantage in IQ.

Men have always been required to use our brains. Who had to figure out how to bring down a woolly mammoth, a creature many times our size and strength. Who was out there figuring out how to create an agrarian society? Who was out there constructing buildings and whole cities? Who was out there inventing practically everything around us?

Don't ever listen to what society says about how men are women's inferior emotionally or intellectually. We just have to make sure that we continue to exercise our strengths and not let ourselves be manipulated by the false narratives people choose to serve us.

[–]Sawagurumi 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

totally agree, but I think OP means that women are more Machiavellian in interpersonal relationships. One area where women are definitely superior (on average) is on picking up subtle communication. A good woman can really clue you in one what other people really think. When combined with the ruthless, ego-centric Machiavellianism, then in means you always have to be on your guard in a relationship. This is not the same as IQ. [Edit] corrected typo - women are more Machiavellian.

[–]Jax77789 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Female machiavellianism is muddled by their inescapable sollipsism and emotionally/contextually based logic and decision process.

They are good at victim-based and libido-fuelled plots that's for sure. Apart from that I think they just simply suck, the plans they hatch often fail because of their inconsistency.

[–]Sawagurumi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they succeed they make themselves unhappy, that is true enough. I said a long time ago that men evolved to extract value from their environment, women evolved to extract value from men. They have survived by manipulating men. If you look at society now, it is clear that they are good at it (look at the recent post about the talk at Amherst given by Milo et al, the feminists had guys white knighting for them, to their great shame). If they were not good at it, the feminists would have gotten nowhere, and the West would still be the dominant culture on the planet, not sitting around while Europe is invaded and worrying about 'cultural appropriation'.

Much of TRP is about 'holding frame' in interactions with women. Why? Because women attempt to manipulate men, and all too often succeed, to the detriment of the relationship. How do you manipulate someone? By being entirely ego-centric and being good at picking up subtle cues about where someone is vulnerable to being manipulated.

[–]TheGatherHunter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would have a gigantic asterisk next to women being better on picking up subtle communications. I've met too many women who thought that the tiniest thing anyone did was all about them (female solipsism)

I actually don't disagree with OPs conclusion. But I think it's harmful to frame it as anything like "women are better than us at x". The reason most men get fooled is because we've been fed so many blue pill lies about how women are pure angels who would never be deceptive. Not because we are inferior in any manner.

[–]Theophagist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

but have a greater chance of being stupid and emotionally unintelligent

This becomes moot when you consider we also have a greater chance of being very smart. Women's intelligence clusters towards the meme, meaning they are more average.

[–]RedPillAdviser[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was a reference to emotional intelligence, not raw, logical intelligence.