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[–]RECTANGULAR_BALLSACK 143ポイント144ポイント  (22子コメント)

I'm not the one that usually believes in conspiracies, but some are real, and this one definitely is. I recently posted a story about this in /r/Europe, where the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency had identified over 72 Russian agencies working on information warfare, now engaging in daily anti-Swedish attacks in social media. (BTW, four hours later there was a Russian Government English-language response at "Sputnik News".) It's a well known fact that Putin has sponsored various nationalists across Europe, so I'm not surprised that he would use this well-documented apparatus in support of Donald Trump also... I found this comment particularly apt:

— The concern is that we can not make rational decisions anymore. It affects the population, which in turn affects the political ability to make decisions and that people get a distorted picture of reality, if there's a lack of critical thinking.

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, solidarity my enlightened European friend. Trump's been heavily courting the White Nationalist set here in the united states as well. He even seated an infamous White Nationalist troll in the VIP section at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/46173_White_Supremacists_Were_Everywhere_at_the_GOP_Convention

[–]dtlv5813 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

It would explain why the other post with Putin picture was so triggering to Reddit trump supporters in a very weird kind of way. Like they took it really really personally. It all makes sense now.

Is there a way to gather data on how many trump Reddit supporters connect from Russia? Via their api or scrap data from the site directly?

[–]tomdarch 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

If this is a government managed system, wouldn't they use VPNs or similar systems to appear to originate from somewhere other than Russia?

[–]Democritus76 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good point, they would most assuredly spoof their locations.

[–]It_Could_Happen_HereDONNIE LOVES VLAD 30ポイント31ポイント  (7子コメント)

In this very sub, I've encountered people forcefully pushing back against the fact that Trump and Putin support one another. They claim to be anti-Trump but non-ironically accused me of McCarthyism and of echoing Glenn Beck for saying that Trump was Putin's puppet.

[–]TheMank 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

Glenn Greenwald is pushing that too. Pretty much exactly that post. Trump may not actually be 'working' with Putin. But his advisors are uncomfortably supportive of Russia. Hillary would be out of the race if she had the same ties. And Trump may very well be in a pickle financially, for all we know, and dependent on foreign investment. These are legitimate issues.

edit: that post you link is eerily close to Greenwald himself. See for yourself.

[–]It_Could_Happen_HereDONNIE LOVES VLAD 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting, thank you. I usually like Greenwald but he — and really everyone at the Intercept — have the blinders on when it comes to Putin. Yes, they gave Snowden asylum but one self-serving right doesn't absolve a litany of wrongs.

[–]JustComplaining 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

If I had to guess, I'd say Trump is ignorant instead of malicious when it comes to Russia. He truly has no idea what he's doing. He thinks he's surrounded himself with "yes men" but in reality they're more like Cheney to Bush. Shaping a very suggestible person. They know how pathetic and misinformed he is, and they're using it against him.

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[–]TheMank 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, I can't imagine it otherwise. Though, honestly, I think it's very conceivable that Trump is as reckless with his money as he is with his mouth; always having to dig himself out of holes. His free cash flow may always need infusions from whatever scheme he can concoct next.

I suspect entering the primaries was simply a way to leverage his name to jump on the right wing media gravy train; maybe with a another TV show, or even a cable channel as his highest aspiration - his next project to generate income to finance his helicopter lifestyle. Lo and behold, his uncouth populism caught fire, and he found himself on the ride of his life.

My fear is that he could very well be dependent on several channels keeping him liquid. Are some of them Russian? Who knows, but he certainly has several advisors who are very supportive of Russia and Putin. The fact that so many Republicans seem unalarmed and are willing to overlook this is mind boggling.

[–]tomdarch 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Trump-Russia ties only dawned on me a few days ago with the utterly insane NATO comments, so I was stunned by how much has already been written on it over the last month or two. I think it's absolutely plausible that if you aren't familiar with the context and why there are so many serious concerns that it might sound insane and like some sort of "red scare."

[–]pm_me_your_cuck_pics10002% THE CUCKOLD 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah those NATO comments are insane. My general skeptical / anti-conspiracy side makes me think Trump is just a useful idiot, but the extent to which he wants to rerun the Cold War as a Russian victory really makes me think he could be an outright plant.

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Trump-Russia ties only dawned on me a few days ago with the utterly insane NATO comments

Dude, that's exactly what really did it for me. When he said that all I could think of was that old movie the Manchurian Candidate.

[–]the_matriarchy 17ポイント18ポイント  (9子コメント)

/r/actualconspiracies welcomes you.

[–]BeowulfChauffeur 20ポイント21ポイント  (8子コメント)

That's a relief, because /r/conspiracy is currently /r/the_donald7. Or maybe 8 or 9, I've lost count of how many subs they've taken over.

[–]TekharthaZenyatta 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm pretty certain /r/conspiracy was always super right wing, so shitbirds of a feather and all that.

[–]CommunistPenguin 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mein Kampf was pretty much a book-length /r/conspiracy comment.

[–]bigbowlowrong 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not so much that they're right wing, it's just that they're gullible as fuck.

[–]BlaK_HawK 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/conspiracy was shit long before /r/the_Dolan took over

[–]BeowulfChauffeur 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah it was shit, but it wasn't campaigning for anyone either.

[–]the_matriarchy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean it wasn't exactly intellectual debate before, either.

[–]Minsc__and__Boo🇩 🇺 🇲 🇵 🚯 🇹 🇷 🇺 🇲 🇵 68ポイント69ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've encountered a few of them!

I had pro-trump users, with accounts like /u/CantStumpTheTrump, accidentally switch their accounts mid-conversation and keep going like nothing happened. When I called them out on it they just disappeared without a word.

[–]robotevil 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Should have archived his profile, he deleted all his comments.

edit: lol, he just deleted his entire account. I wonder why he deleted all his comments, then deleted his account? So weird. Deleting the comments was sufficient, so seems like a lot of extra work.

[–]Oreally71 64ポイント65ポイント  (4子コメント)

In 2011 I saw a curiously massive uptick in pro-Russian posts in /r/worldnews after Russia invaded Ukraine.

Also, /r/syriancivilwar used to be a pretty good sub reddit. But when Russia intervened in 2015 there was a huge spike in the number of pro-Russian and pro-government posts and comments.

And today on /r/politics, I see the same kinds of posts that I saw back then. The spreading of misinformation, huge leaps in logic, and "proof" that doesn't add up are all routinely upvoted to the top and they're all suspiciously focused in one direction.

It's not a matter of if. It's a matter of how many of them are paid trolls and how many of them are useful idiots.

[–]Smaugs_Wayward_Scale 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, /r/syriancivilwar used to be a pretty good sub reddit. But when Russia intervened in 2015 there was a huge spike in the number of pro-Russian and pro-government posts and comments.

Oh god, don't remind me. That place went to shit super fast as soon as Putin sank his fangs in it. Having an FSA/Islamic Front/White Helmets flair is like putting a target on your back, and you have out-and-proud neo-nazis and Islamophobes shitting up the place.

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw the same thing regarding Ukraine along with a strangely large amount of RT articles making it to the front page when that's hardly anything resembling a mainstream news source.

[–]Yosarian2 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I remember that.

Back in 2011 the Russian shills were incredibly obvious, and weren't very good. But they've gotten beter.

[–]dngrsReality has an anti-Trump bias 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

when I posted this https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/4uh6w7/how_putin_weaponized_wikileaks_to_influence_the/ it was 55% upvoted for the first 9 hours and the first posts were triggered shitposts some of them got deleted by mods

a few days ago the post got removed by one mod apparently by mistake ( they fixed it after I notified them) and without warning. I only noticed because I went back to the thread to check something.

[–]CuckaldTrump 86ポイント87ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gotta admit even for reddit it's weird when you see all these articles supporting a guy who suggested we kill Snowden and can shut off parts of the internet if need be.

[–]Irishish 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anti-net neutrality, pro-torture, anti-gay-marriage, VP who hates decriminalized/medical marijuana...reddit should hate this guy.

[–]arccos999 37ポイント38ポイント  (4子コメント)

So theses are the shills I keep hearing about.

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

You mean me or them?

[–]arccos999 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Them of course. People make jokes about stuff like this, but it's unsettling to see it happen.

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks, man. This has been digging at me for months.

[–]insayid 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for this. Been waiting for someone to explain why reddit went full tea party so quickly. Amazing work.

[–]afforkable 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy crap. I never would've bought into this before the recent weirdness about Trump/Russia but the whole thing has been so uniquely bizarre that I could start to believe it

[–]pm_me_your_cuck_pics10002% THE CUCKOLD 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

At best Trump is a useful idiot for Russia. At worst, he's done a deal with Putin.

[–]r00tdenied 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

I had to unsub from that raging tire fire. It really does seem like it is being manipulated.

Additionally, any time a rational argument is made to counter a troll (including with sources), I have noticed the following:

  • Initial surge of up votes from legitimate users who agree
  • Up votes peak and then trolls brigade with counter down votes
  • After down vote brigade begins, troll accounts being posting falsehoods
  • If propaganda posts contain a source, its usually a 'conservative blogger' type site to support their argument.

[–]Ryuudou 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I had to unsub from that raging tire fire. It really does seem like it is being manipulated.

Don't do this. The more people who leave, the worse it becomes for the rest of us.

[–]r00tdenied 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Normally I would agree, but it is beyond saving. Let the motherfucker burn.

[–]NewerGuard1an 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep! Did the same thing yesterday after suspecting a lot of them don't even live in America and telling me how I should think.

Up vote this guy's the truth needs to be heard.

[–]THERobotsz 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is great and honestly explains a lot. Keep adding to this and keep up the good work

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Man, I wish I knew how but honestly I'm already out of my depth. I think I need to get this to someone in a position to address it better which is a large part of why I put it on here to begin with.

[–]THERobotsz 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder if we make enough of a stink we can get someone in the media to check it out more. Like if we tweet at the New Yorker enough

[–]WampaStompa33 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wtf?? That first NY Times article is the craziest thing I've ever read.

I mean, I figured Reddit was getting invaded from somewhere, but I figured it was just people from /pol/ going nuts with multiple accounts each.

I'm rational though, unlike trump supporters, so I'll need to see more concrete evidence before thinking it's really a Russian conspiracy - but yeah I have noticed it's extremely bizarre how reddit's hive mind has pulled a 180.

What still scares me though is that the few times I've received messages or replies from crazy Trumpets, I've checked their profiles for any shady signs. Most seemed to be normal accounts that are years old and an otherwise normal posting history aside from their batshit insane political views.

[–]heelspider 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

Part of me wants to believe it, and r/politics is pretty clearly brigaded, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You did good work and made good arguments, but in the end, it's not sufficient for a conclusion.

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on the point that I do not have enough for a conviction but it is enough to warrant further investigation. I just don't have the resources or know how to do it on my own.

[–]Galle_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, this is more plausible than most conspiracy theories, and Reddit's sudden political opinion shift does need explanation (Bernie or Busters, as misguided as they may be, are at least clearly Reddit natives, but the orcs sure as hell aren't) but I'm not convinced it's Russian shills rather than just /pol/.

[–]pm_me_your_cuck_pics10002% THE CUCKOLD 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not all of them are Russian shills of course, but Russia's use of state sponsored social media agents for other issues is a documented fact. I have no doubt there is some degree of state sponsored action. It's been a part of Russian military doctrine for a long time now.

[–]madasfire 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

I did the Trump Yourself thing on facebook. It takes your email address and the Clinton campaign asks for money. Easy peasy, I'll just unsubscribe. And this happened the next day

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah dude, that's pretty fucking weird.

[–]Shadow_Six 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do think something sketchy is up here.

The striking thing to me was the suddenness of Trump's popularity on Reddit. Like one day I'd basically never read anything about him that wasn't the punchline of a joke, the next day shit memes supporting him are in the front page with ~4k upvotes. Nothing about it seemed organic. It was wholly unlike the gradual increase of support that the Bernie people experienced.

[–]RamaAnthony 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

Something something Donald Trump supporters is playing 62.25 Quantum Inter-dimensional digital checkers underwater

Jokes aside, this is good write-up, now all we need to collect of evidence of Putin-bots on reddit and create a list to tag them on RES.

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't even know what RES is. I'm rather technology illiterate. If you know someone who can help or might think this is worthy of developing further I'd love to help however I can.

[–]Yosarian2 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a add-on you can get for firefox.

Once you have it, you can put in notes about users, and you see who you've upvoted and downvoted a bunch of times in the past. It has a lot of other features as well; really useful.

[–]DJ_010010Trump Triggerer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit Enhancement Suite

[–]dngrsReality has an anti-Trump bias 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

btw is there a way to put an auto RES tag on posters of certain subs?

[–]KabIoski 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey mods! This post needs a high-quality flair.

The blowback from this is going to be insane, I can't even imagine how, but a presidential candidate making an implied offer of favor to a foreign power in exchange for pushing an election his way? That's fucking treasonous.

[–]GirlNumber20 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

a presidential candidate making an implied offer of favor to a foreign power in exchange for pushing an election his way?

Nixon did it.

[–]Jumolation 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Russian state controlled trolls are unfortunately a very real menace here in Finland, but even more so in our neighbor, Estonia. After reading your investigation I stumbled upon this somewhat humorous article. What caught my attention was this line: "The put down was so good that the Trumptroll deleted his entire Twitter account out of pure, unadulterated shame." Maybe he knew his account was receiving a little too much attention?

As you quoted KGB General Oleg Kalugin: "to drive wedges in the Western community alliances of all sorts, particularly NATO" Trump, Putin, NATO, baltics is complicated soup but there is no doubt that Russia has potentially a lot to gain from Trump presidency and chaos it might cause among allies of USA. Your text might have made me a little paranoid about Russian trolls posing as trump supporters and I don't quite understand possible motives here but it is a well known fact that Russia indeed have these large scale 'factories' where people comment on news sites, facebook etc. 24/7 through fake accounts to manipulate opinions in foreign countries to further their own goals. Do you think this might be the case here? Anyway to investigate this further?

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you think this might be the case here? Anyway to investigate this further?

I don't know where to go next. I was honestly just desperately throwing up a red flag to see if I could get help or at least get someone looking.

[–][deleted] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Romney was warning about this 4 years ago, I warned about it for many months, only a few days ago did someone in the US finally recognize the threat.

[–]SuntHorribilia 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

How about how the AMA went from 12000 to 5000 once the algorithms detected and removed all the illegitimate votes?

[–]dngrsReality has an anti-Trump bias 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

any link about that?

[–]SuntHorribilia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well.
Here's the AMA now at less than 2000 (low energy!).
https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4uxdbn/im_donald_j_trump_and_im_your_next_president_of/

Just do a quick search of all the the_d posts complaining about it disappearing from the front page.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/search?q=ama+front+page&restrict_sr=on

Basically it was artifically voted up to 12000 or even 13000 apparently, but the reddit algorithm that obfuscates scoring to combat fake/bot/bought votes and brigades fixed the score after about an hour and the shitty AMA rapidly dropped down to where it should be.

And then they cried, ad nauseum, about their vote manipulation being picked up (see previously mentioned search of t_d).

Edit: and they're still crying 2 days later
https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4ve8tx/reddit_admins_accused_of_censoring_donald_trump/

[–]momosallday 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Goto Donald's twitter page. Click on any of his tweets (Twitter webapp) you will get a list of replies sorted by those with most likes.

Almost ALL of them have this Neil Turner guy commenting within 3 seconds of Trump's tweet. Also a Jason Bergcamp doing the same.

Notice all the profiles with relatively attractive females. Hover over their names to expand bio. Almost ALL of those accounts have something like "TRUMP 2016! FOLLOW IF YOU SUPPORT". Also notice they were opened relatively recently between mid-2015 and now.

There are swathes of Twitter accounts that come to Trump's defense who all follow this same pattern, and they seem to have been created exclusively for supporting him this election.

Not the twitter I know

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Neil Turner

Dude, great work.

[–]Democritus76 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's some good stuff there, and easy enough to show to people who are skeptical. I'm not very tech literate, hell I started using Reddit a week ago to the day, but even I can follow that.

[–]walkedoff 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think youre absolutely right about Russia, but theres more to it. Its not just the paid shills, but armies of "alt-right" folks who have left their nazi forums and see it part of their mission to support Trump wherever they can.

See this post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/altright/comments/4uxgt8/rthe_donald_just_banned_everyone_on_raltright/

As these people have spread from their racist caves like coontown into mainstream subs like news and politics, more and more normal people have been exposed to their crap. It follows that normal people get tired of seeing this racism every day and simply stop engaging with reddit. Rather then pushing back, they leave. Thats one less downvote for the racist post, which in turn gives that post more legitimacy, and thus, more people see it.

Rinse and repeat.

The "rule" before was that you were safe if you stayed off all. You could enjoy your city subreddit, your pokemon subreddit etc. But thats no longer the case.

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good observation, man. If every American Nazi/White Nationalist on the internet decided to aggressively game /r/politics they might be able to do it. It seems like that would take a pretty large concerted effort but I bet they could do it if they had a paid advertising firm gaming reddit coordinating with them. That would explain why Donald was handing out VIP passes, press credentials and floor passes to White Supremacists and the fucking nazi in Donald's VIP box at the convention.

[–]walkedoff 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

They dont have to be the majority, they just have the be the loudest and most active. Most reddit readers lurk. They dont post, they dont vote. So if 100% of the nazis are posting 50 times a day, but the regular folks comment once a week, it all becomes skewed.

If the reddit owners want to keep their popularity, they need to act, fast

[–]Spiritreaver 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a Reddit lurker, but started to stray into political subs when the RNC started to gauge reactions and was quite weirded out by the massive Donald following here.

Reading this is both depressing and scary. I'm not one for conspiracy theories, so I hope it's not true, but I grossly dislike what's been happening on Reddit the past few days. Nearly no posts of reason or thoughtful discussion make it to the top or on /all.

I don't know how Reddit works as a whole community, but it really seems in very poor taste to let subs get manipulated so heavily. But again, I'm more of an observer here so I may just not "get" Reddit.

Thankfully I've found a few subs with actual discussion and sane people.

[–]Cyril_Clunge 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, fuck /r/politics.

I made a few comments there this morning and had people accusing me of being a Clinton shill. Their logic was that even if I'm not part of CTR, I'm supporting a "corrupt criminal" and therefore am a shill.

They love to point out any Clinton shills but then when it's suggested there are shills who are from Russia or pro-Trump, that's a ludicrous notion.

Apparently only Clinton, Israel and corporations shill.

Whatever is happening, you can't have discussion in /r/politics.

[–]sri745 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for posting this - this explains a lot of the comments I've been seeing in some of the other subs.

[–]Ryuudou 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Have you sent this to the /r/politics mods?

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Man, I haven't the slightest clue if they'd even listen. I half assumed they were being gamed somehow too.

[–]Wobbly_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Politics mods are friends with /r/the_donald mods and even some of them are ex-mods. Don't bother.

[–]sfb_stufu 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

My post on /r/politics regarding Trump willing to give the police military gear was upvoted the first half hour, with a lot of replies. After one hour, it was buried.

It's not very logical, if people are interested in the first half hour, they will also remain interested after that half hour. Likely a bot downvoting it sufficiently so it gets buried. The bots strategically choose which posts remain: most of the posts are anti Trump or less damaging to Trump.

They know redditors don't like the police having military gear. /r/politics is likely to be manipulated.

[–]LesterPearsonsProjct 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Does this sound like Trump's core constituency?

Sort of. It's very common on Reddit to find people whose beliefs are reactionary but who self-identify as 'liberal', 'progressive' or 'moderate' due to either (1) their own ignorance, or (2) the peculiar cultural trappings of the pre-Trump GOP which caused them to feel excluded from it

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

But that doesn't explain /r/politics frequent radical mood swings where suddenly anti-trump articles make it to the top when nothing has been able to get more than a smattering of votes for weeks along with 1 out of 30 or more days when articles positively reflective of Clinton make it up top with thousands of votes when the rest of the time they struggle to get past 1 vote. It doesn't track.

If its not Putin its somebody with a fuck load of internet connections and a hell of a software suite who happened to take a few days off when that wikileaks article dropped.

[–]Srs_imretarded 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

maybe send a pm to the admins? just a shot in the dark.

[–]robotevil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately brigading isn't against the rules. Harrasement is, but not brigading. There is even a whole "friends" tab most people don't even know about to make it easier.

[–]Democritus76 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have no trouble believing this, even if I were to ignore Trumps and Manaforts connections to Russian oligarchs and pro-Russian Pols.

Thank you collecting this evidence and putting it together in a straight forward manner. Depraved Donnie has no place in our government.

ETA WaPo's piece on Twisted Trump's ties to Russia from June

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financial-ties-to-russia-and-his-unusual-flattery-of-vladimir-putin/2016/06/17/dbdcaac8-31a6-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html?tid=a_inl

[–]TheRiverSaint 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tbh, this is pretty scary. If it's happening on reddit, chances are it could be happening in a lot of other places.

[–]Nathan1266 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is so true. I regularly find out Im debating an out of country national in Pol. I have been temporarily banned several times for calling out their idiocy and basic misunderstanding of how American Government works.

It makes total sense that they are from russia aswell as they regularly do not understand business and big capitalism.

[–]tricia12345 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really does seem like it is enough to warrant further investigation.

[–]space_hole 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it at all possible that they have a large and growing army of alt account bots to upvote content on T_D and r/politics? Or does reddit have effective ways to prevent that? Checking their traffic stats, there seems to some strange things going on. I think the r/news "controversy" happened around 6/12 but for the subs to go from around 1,000 a day to nearly 11,000 on 6/12 seems unlikely.

Somehow they are able to push posts at will to the top of r/all and are basically camped out at around 5 - 15 on r/all at all times. They obviously know how to game the algorithm and I guess reddit is OK with that, but that is not how things were intended to work.

Also there are subtle and not so subtle efforts at vote manipulation. "uptrump this post" and "get this to the top" and "you know what to do" etc. Is that OK? I don't know, I'm new here.

Either way I'm against this over the top, in your face, trump bullshit, so I want to push back.

[–]djphan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

i would think there would have to be a good way to bait and at least catalogue what is happening... or at least have a coordinated anti-campaign against them..

[–]PhunnelCake 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

/u/sketch257 Did you see this?

[–]Sketch257 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

holy shit this is interesting

[–]Pomojema_SWNN 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely Heretical.

[–]literallydontcaree -3ポイント-2ポイント  (16子コメント)

Dude it's just /pol/

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

See, that occurred to me for a split second but /r/pol is just too damned small. At this moment their top upvote has only 6 votes. Not well enough organized and they definitely don't have enough resources but Putin's village certainly does. I'm far from being an expert but if they had enough VPN's, some code to interact and coordinate on the site faster than people could along with a bunch of computers and an understanding of the logarithm then I just don't think it would be too hard to game. I've seen my brother-in-law write code to interact with Apple's website to buy iphones during releases in order to secure those much-valued reservations to purchase them. Kind of the same thing. Just have some code track which comments and threads to upvote and which to downvote distributed across a mass of hardware and internet connections. Putin has his own national telecom industry to work with.

[–]literallydontcaree 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not the subreddit /pol/ dude, it's the 4chan board. I mean, go there for 15 minutes if you can stomach it. It's blatantly obvious.

[–]Hydra-Bob[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

Again... just not that many people there. 6% of Americans use Reddit. That's more than 4chan could handle without major coordination and a billion idiots bragging about it all the time non-stop on here. Besides 4chan is crap at keeping secrets and this has been going on for months.

[–]literallydontcaree 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Dude you are seriously underestimating the amount of people that visit /pol/ on the chans. Combine that with the local Reddit weirdos and then other alt-right memers, it easily accounts for the majority of /r/the_donald's subscribers. I'm sure there's astro turfing going on, but not on any large scale.

Besides 4chan is crap at keeping secrets and this has been going on for months.

It's not a secret...

There is no demographic or historical precedence for /r/politics to have been skewed so heavily towards a candidate whose supporter demographics are so far disconnected from the actual demographics of reddit.

There is no precedence for a candidate like Trump period. Once the memers and pol weirdos decided he was their new meme it drew people who normally never post on Reddit out. idk why you're not applying Occam's Razor here.

[–]mdmrules 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is no precedence for a candidate like Trump period.

These aren't the same thing.

There is no way that the demographic represented on reddit could possibly organically create an environment like you see on Politics. But the party that has been foaming at the mouth for 8 years about Obama being a secret Muslim could very believably elect someone like Trump.

So if it's not organic, how is it happening? There are not that many people or groups or organizations with the capacity to pull off what OP is suggesting.

One of the most believable scenarios is that a well organized group of people are cooperating on this project almost every day like it's their fucking job. That doesn't really sound like a small group of dedicated Internet activists to me... It sounds a lot bigger.

BUT I honestly don't know what exactly they're doing, and maybe it could be done with a few dozen well vetted trolls from /pol/ that are computer savvy, tight lipped and have access to a lot of existing reddit accounts.

[–]literallydontcaree -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no way that the demographic represented on reddit could possibly organically create an environment like you see on Politics.

For the most part, I agree. Which is exactly why I point to /pol/. Go there at any time of day and wade through a few threads, you're likely to find links back to /r/politics and talk about red-pilling.

The rest is from the nature of Reddit and /r/politics in particular. Hillary has been hated since day fucking one. The jerk has been against her. Bernie Bros fucking RAN /r/politics and they still do. Except the ones still around now are the die hard insane ones. You don't see any Clinton supporters there because why bother? So you can get called CTR and downvoted no matter what you say? Better to just ignore it. It's what happens in subs like /r/politics. It's just an echo chamber now.

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    [–]literallydontcaree -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I mean I agree I just think these weird conspiracy theories have no place here.

    [–]Hydra-Bob[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Its not that weird. Putin already does this openly across parts of Europe to the point where his setup is synonymous with brigading online period.

    [–]literallydontcaree -5ポイント-4ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Yeah dude I'm sure there's some shills here and there but not to the extent you're talking in this OP...

    [–]Hydra-Bob[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Did you look at the links I provided? Putin's troll village is more like a fucking town with backing from (and organizational resources from) the Kremlin. As in the former KGB. Half of the cold war players all in one place.

    How many shills do you think have their own government agency foreign cable news network run by the same people that run one of the largest military operations in the world? This is the russian equivalent of the NSA only their whole stock and trade since 1915 has been psyops.

    Cheap labor and virtually bottomless resources combined with access to a dedicated legion of hackers. This isn't 4chan we're talking about.

    [–]literallydontcaree -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I feel like I'm part of an elaborate troll right now or just not getting the joke.

    Yeah man, there are Russian shills on the internet. Lots of them. I just don't believe, nor has evidence been provided, that /r/the_donald or politics is being steered by some Russian conspiracy.

    Literally the only "evidence", and that term is being used extremely loosely here, that you have tying it up to /r/the_donald is that the average Redditor's demographic doesn't line up with "trump supporter". No shit man. /r/the_donald is run by /pol/ and designed to troll Reddit.

    They brigrade /r/politics threads. There's threads on /pol/ daily about "red pilling" Reddit. I think it's just as silly to assume that's all some Russian conspiracy just like it's silly to assume that everyone defending Hillary in /r/politics is CTR.

    [–]Hydra-Bob[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I didn't mention /r/the_donald at all. Naturally his space is going to be in the tank for him. Its where his supporters are.

    And the rest of what you said was where I was up until reddits brief 180 before the wikileaks drop. Something fucking stinks to high heaven. For a few days /r/politics was normal and then suddenly it radically switched and switched hard. I could see /r/the_donald maybe gaming /r/politics but wouldn't they have been at it extra hard during the convention? That doesn't track well anyway because its an election year and its already been established that there is an organized effort from democrats right? Somehow this script is flipped from where demographics actually are and I really want to know how this echochamber got constructed. I could be wrong but if it isn't Putin, someone with resources and a habit of gaming social media in Europe and then we're all back to square one. I'd like to see the infomation on /r/politics traffic during, before and after the brief lull last week.

    Edit: I'd like to say what you are saying is rational but nothing about this dialogue on reddit is normal. It didn't look like this in the last 2 elections and the only thing that's different here is just how far gone Trump is. One of the things that is most significant about Trump is the incredible volume of Putin's issues Trump is championing. If you aren't paying attention it just sounds like the ramblings of some out of touch slob but if you're a hawk like me when it comes to Putin's rhetoric then the similarities in foreign policy positions are startling. Disturbing even. According to Trump's stated positions, his presidency would be Christmas in Moscow. Everything from renegging on NATO and the WTO to handing over the Balkans on a silver platter. That's not something Putin is willing to pass up on. I admit I don't have a smoking gun but I think there's a fuckton of probable cause to investigate this as much as possible because most of the top subs seem like they're already in the tank for Trump and Putin both.

    There's one other thing: RT articles haven't made it to the front page in a long time. I remember seeing them all the time before but now they seem to be mostly absent. Its all circumstancial but to me its incriminating and all too coincidental.

    [–]NewerGuard1an 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Hey check out this guy it backs up this theory. He claims he is an American living in Russia and all he does is praise Russia.

    /r/urshulg

    https://www.reddit.com/user/Urshulg?sort=new&utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true

    [–]MescalPascal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Is this gone now, or am I just not able to get to it?

    [–]literallydontcaree 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think the 180 is from the die hard Bernie Bros and the general dislike of Clinton. /r/politics is cancer and you just wont hear from the people that support Clinton. It's not fun to just get accused of being CTR any time you challenge the bullshit in those threads. That and /pol/ has been making a huge effort to astro turf and recruit the Bernie people.