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[Serious] Germans of Reddit, is the immigration crisis really as bad as some sources are portraying? How has the immigration affected you?serious replies only (self.AskReddit)

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[–]BardunR 379ポイント380ポイント  (72子コメント)

It is and yet it is not.

Let me clarify: Especially in the beginning there were so many refugees that we weren't prepared to give all of them shelter, agencies were lost in a mountain of papers and so on. Meanwhile, most of the shelters are reasonably occupied though it still is a problem for both authorities and refugees to make them fit in here. There are way too few German classes, too many different cultures in the shelters, too many crazy ideas some of the refugees still have about life in Germany.

It takes a lot of time to decide on the asylum applications - several months - so the refugees are sitting in the camps and shelters, not allowed to work or travel. Without knowing the language or the local habits, this leads to frustration on both sides, refugees and local citizens. This kind of non-understanding makes it easy for populistic politicians to seed fear of an "orientalization of our home country". I don't want to decide how justified these fears are, but they make many people vote for the AfD (among other reasons).

Some of the poorer citizens fear that if lots of the refugees stay, they may face competitors for low wage jobs leading to even lower wages. Taking into account that some politicians have already made pleas for special wages for the refugees, these citizens' fears are not unjustified.

You may have noticed me talking about "refugees" and not about "immigrants". This is because we don't have any immigration laws. All these people came here claiming they were refugees of some kind. However, a lot of them clearly weren't and are supposed to be transferred back to their home countries. Problem: some of those countries don't want them back so they are stuck here as illegal immigrants without a chance to legally get a job. These guys pose a real problem: we can't get rid of them and yet we can't allow them to legally stay. They become desperate and in some cases, criminals.

Now for the second part of your question... I live in one of the larger cities in Germany. We've had about 35% citizens of foreign heritage here before the immigration wave started so I am fairly used to people with darker skin or women with scarfs. I have a feeling that nowadays I see a bit more young men who seem to originate from somewhere arabic than before. Also I think that not all of them speak Turkish but, frankly, I don't care. I have never witnessed one not behaving or committing a crime. There have been no extra taxes so they didn't cost me any extra money so far. When in the 90 we were flooded with Russians (who claimed to be German), they were a lot more annoying than those guys that came here in the last 12 months.There were gangs mugging people, frequent knife fights - I even had my car broken into (on Christmas eve - those fing aholes!), a bike damaged and one stolen at that time.

With the refugees nowadays - nothing of that kind. I like them more than the guys that came here 20 years ago, for obvious reasons :)

[–]komnenos 36ポイント37ポイント  (35子コメント)

However, a lot of them clearly weren't and are supposed to be transferred back to their home countries.

What countries do these guys usually come from?

[–]Watermelonman92 92ポイント93ポイント  (15子コメント)

Many of these so called economic refugees ("Wirtschaftsflüchtlinge") come from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia or from the Balkans.

[–]QUEENROLLINS [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

of course there's a specific name for them in German

[–]t-master [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It literally translates to economic refugees, so not really a specific word :P

[–]Triquetra4715 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There's a specific name in English too--economic refugees. Germans just remove the space.

[–]Steampunkvikng [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

and of course it's a super long compound word.

[–]AsAGayJewishDemocrat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's like saying "of course there's two words that you can put next to each other in English"

[–]Dippofix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I guess it really depends though. For one, if you are homosexual, the Maghreb really isn't the place to be. Same for the Balkans for Sinti and Roma, or if you've got the wrong religion in the wrong place there. I'm not saying everyone is necessarily legitimate, but those places aren't really save havens either.

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    [–]Mr_Luciferiuss 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mostly from the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria,...)

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      [–]asscheek2asscheek 14ポイント15ポイント  (15子コメント)

      Question from a US perspective-- you guys are obviously used to higher taxes == good results mentality. So why does the refugee camp situation sound underfunded? Is it because they're trying to keep tensions from escalating due to an increase or failure in pre-refugee social services? Do you personally think its worth it to not fund it better?

      There can be a lot of crime in those camps (literally in them, from refugee to refugee) so I wish they were run better, though I understand the hesitance to foot the bill.

      [–]exitheone 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

      German here. I think part of the problem is how slow the bureaucracy works. Yes we have high taxes, yes we have enough money. But money is slow to move, once it has been allocated. We plan our government spending on a yearly basis. Extra money has been allocated but a lot of things cannot be brought in fast. We are talking about housing, education, medical services for half a million extra people in 2016 alone. It's important to note that Germany had a shortage of teachers even before the refugee crisis started, so there is no easy way to just "get more". In addition to that, a lot of big cities in Germany like Munich and Hamburg and others have a very bad housing shortage already, so building new housing takes time as well.

      [–]jojjeshruk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      As a Finn I'd just like to say that my understanding is that your uerocracy is less impeding to small business and more effective than the Nordic ones. I think that being a young nation helps with that

      [–]Timey16 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

      Oh, it's not that they are underfunded... it's just that we don't build our houses out of papermache like you guys. /s

      But, really: building houses is a much longer process in Germany (Europe in general) due to higher standards and the much more limited space to work with (almost all wilderness that is left is under some form of protection and the rest is reserved for agriculture). The average prices to build a home on your own (including the property) ranges between 300k & 400k€ over here, just to put things into perspective ($186k is the average in the US btw).

      Ergo we can't just "build stuff" and when we do, it takes time. The government reacted ASAP in finding accommodation and providing funds once the crisis started. Alas, refugees arrived sooner than we could erect shelter, the protests of the citizens, combined with sabotage such as firebombings made things not any easier.

      [–]dicknass [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      But, really: building houses is a much longer process in Germany (Europe in general) due to higher standards and the much more limited space to work with (almost all wilderness that is left is under some form of protection and the rest is reserved for agriculture).

      It's because you don't have ready access to an abundance of quality inexpensive lumber. It's not like forests in North America are being clear-cut for these purposes. There's no reason a house with a wooden frame can't last for hundreds of years.

      [–]OnnaJReverT [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      i think stricter regulations are the bigger problem, both for the building-process itself and for the allocation of building-space

      [–]Battlefriend [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      To be fair, a ton of construction regulation has been abandoned in the construction of refugee shelters.

      [–]mackduck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Rain.

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        [–]kolodnik [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        [Disclaimer: I don't work in or manage a refugee "camp". So what I say should be treated as speculative. I do however have family members who work in the field, sort of...]

        I think the main issue is not necessarily funding but a lack of foresight and stupidity on the part of regulators. There were times when a lot of makeshift housing was needed, so they just took what they could find. This could probably have been avoided if they had paid attention to what professionals in the field have been saying for quite a while. The same goes for security and social workers (although you can't really blame that only on local/state government). They just took whoever was available and nobody asked too many questions.

        Now that housing isn´t the most pressing problem anymore there is still a ton of idiocy going on. Case in point(excuse the obscurity, trying not to give away too much personal information here): A major city in Germany wants to help a certain subset of the refugee population. Some of them are women with children so some form of childcare would be nice. They explicitly state (for people applying for the money) that: "Education is of no concern" and that a background check is not necessary to work with the children.

        Why? Because not giving children education is cheaper in the short term and if you wan't to educate children, well that is really the problem of another department.

        That being said: I still think a lot of Germans are resistant to spending (more) money on refugees, but I also think a lot of Germans would be fine with it. (Remember: Germany's economy is pretty stable at the moment.)

        [–]VeryMuchDutch101 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        you guys are obviously used to higher taxes == good results mentality. So why does the refugee camp situation sound underfunded?

        Because a country does not plan on having millions of extra, non working, people in their country. So that gives insufficient funds...

        [–]Plague_Walker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        They have the money, it just takes time to allocate that many resources.

        [–]OnnaJReverT [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        the problem wasn't underfunding, but reaction speed

        Germany was not prepared Illidan sends his regards for the gigantic wave of refugees suddenly bearing down on us - we didnt have sufficient shelters or manpower at the relevant agencies, leading to problems early on (which the media of course bloomed up), which in turn lead to the problems /u/bardunr mentioned

        the government has reacted relatively fast with providing funding for newly built shelters, lifecosts for the refugees, etc., but they were still too slow to stop the early problems, and the wave of negativity that came off of them is still rolling

        [–]amaryl-liz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        I actually think that it needed time to get all the structures for registration etc. built up. Idk if the structure could have been accomplished any faster with more money. They are now getting kind of a 'health ID', which helps the doctors and refugees. However I feel like more funding is definitely possible, and personally I think that's totally worth it. Some camps have been in the news for even racist leaders, that positions were re-staffed, and the news are reporting about less occupied camps, so the situation seems to relax a bit. At least I hope so. I think politicians hesitate to fund it more because the citizens' support has reduced..

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          [–]l0fats 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Thanks for that balanced explanation. I think it really puts things in perspective because watching the media it seems like a massive crisis and culture clash over there.

          [–]AgoraiosBum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          There have been lots of Turks in Germany since the '60s as 'guest workers' with many who never left. So there is tons of Mediterranean food, donor kebabs, and the like in Germany. For the US, it's a bit like having Mexican and central american immigrants around. Most places they've been around a long time, but in some villages, (like places in the south that received a newer wave of immigrants) they weren't used to any foreigners.

          [–]crono15 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

          When in the 90 we were flooded with Russians (who claimed to be German), they were a lot more annoying than those guys that came here in the last 12 months.

          Were you referring to Volga Germans?

          [–]Priamosish [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Every person who can show that he would've had the German nationality if it wasn't for Hitler or the Iron Curtain can essentially apply for German citizenship. That means that all those descendants of Germans who had stayed in the east for various reasons after WW2 were allowed to migrate to Germany after the Wall came down.

          By the way this law also applies to descendants of German jews. Any jew ho can prove that his ancestors had German citizenship revoked by the nazis can apply for German citizenship. Which is something quite a few English jews have been doing after Brexit.

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            [–]RosalieBlack 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

            When in the 90 we were flooded with Russians (who claimed to be German)

            You are aware that most of them were of german origin? Some even have only germans in their family tree. So they are not claiming to be germans, but they actually are.

            [–]Measle [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

            Having a German in your family tree doesn't make you German.

            These people had lived in the USSR for generations and many of them spoke no German and had never lived in Germany.

            [–]RosalieBlack [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            They still were considered german in russia, which wasnt a good thing. They were also forbidden to speak german in russia, so how were they supposed to know it. The older generations could speak german because there were from a time when it was still allowed.

            Where should they have gone? Stay in russia and neighboring countries where they were treated as scum because of their german heritage?

            Edit: Also, they lived in german settlements, surrounded by other germans and lived their culture as much as they could.

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              [–]lostintransactions [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Well, that's odd, the guy who has more upvotes than you said everything is peachy. I am confused as your answer seems so much more reasonable and what I assumed.

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                [–]CrashCold 179ポイント180ポイント  (34子コメント)

                I'm sorry for my bad english beforehand. I'm 16F and am going to 'high school'. Several of our schools sports hall are occupied now by refugees and some refugees are also going to my school(most of them speak english perfectly and are learning the german language really quick) . That's the only change I can see but all in all it nearly doesn't affect anyone.

                [–]Paffmassa 20ポイント21ポイント  (15子コメント)

                Does everyone in Germany speak "bad english"?

                [–]CrashCold [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

                It depends. I can't speak for the majority but the most of us can speak english quite well

                [–]Challa6 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

                I went to Germany twice when I was in school. Both times I noticed that the younger people have a good understanding of English but the older generation usually have very little.

                Could just be my view though

                [–]TheTruesigerus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Nope. Describes it perfectly

                [–]t-master [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Nope, you are spot on. Most younger people here are learning English from the 5th grade on or even earlier. That means they are learning English for at least several years, which hasn't really been the case when the older ones went to school. Plus, English is everywhere, especially if you are on the Internet, so the chances that you don't come into contact with English for several years (or decades), so you are training it constantly and the chances, that you get out of touch with it is very small.

                [–]DataTheDroid [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                That applies for a lot of European countries. There is more communication and media in English now, and everything on the internet/games/tv etc. is in english, so we learn and most importantly use it a lot more than our grandparents did.

                [–]samdenyer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                European language education is generally excellent. I'm a Brit and I'm constantly embarrassed by the way we are constantly showed up by the French, Germans, Scandinavians etc in their ability to speak English so well.

                [–]shitastrophe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                Your "bad english" is better than most Americans "regular english". :)

                [–]PM_ME_YOUR_XBOX_ONE [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                This is depressing sometimes. I joined high school and the English classes are harder than many American people on reddit I've seen.

                [–]Nadril [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                As an American who lived there for a couple of years, not really. Some older folk will speak limited / no English, but that was about it in my experience. Kid's my age at the time (early high school) spoke perfect English.

                [–]pubeINyourSOUP [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                I think (s)he meant "bad english" in the sense that whenever a German on here apologies for "bad enlish" it is usually rather good.

                [–]Cessno [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                It almost seems like they actually speak better English than a lot of native speakers!

                [–]OnnaJReverT [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                it's because we learn it by the book, not by hearing the language spoken around us - helps prevent a lot of mistakes like alot, there/their/they're, etc.

                plus german translations of various media often suck since the language is a lot less malleable, so many watch/read/listen to the original, often in english

                [–]FalcoLX [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                I think it's a way of them being modest to say they have "bad English". It happens in the Nordic countries too, but their English is excellent.

                [–]Cuchulainn01 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Actually, most native Germans will be very close to fluent, due to it being a requirement in school. I'm fluent in German, but my mother is not, and when we visit, there is absolutely no problem.

                [–]Vicinus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                My kids are stll struggling but my 4yo can count to ten.

                [–]mwcdem 49ポイント50ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Thank you for your answer and by the way, your English is excellent.

                [–]VeryMuchDutch101 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Several of our schools sports hall are occupied now by refugees and some refugees are also going to my school(most of them speak english perfectly and are learning the german language really quick)

                I'm Dutch, my sister works with the Syrian Refugees in the Netherlands. Quite a high percentage of them are well educated... engineers, doctors, accountants etc. We tend to forget that many of them are like us and that probably the higher society had more opportunity to leave...

                [–]xFreeZeex [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                I have a few refugees in my school as well (I'm on a Gymnasium) and some of them are nearly fluent in German. Really surprised me.

                [–]CrashCold [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                I'm on a Gymnasium myself too and it surprised really surprised me too. Made also some friends with some refugees and their stories are heartbreaking. Do you also have to change your sports hall?

                [–]xFreeZeex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Not really. We have a couple of gym halls around our school centre (we are 2 Gymnasien, 2 Realschulen and a BBS basically next to each other), the refugees occupied one of the halls for a few weeks. But we had enough space so it was never an issue.

                [–]BitGladius [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Most people at my highschool in Texas would be using worse grammar.

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                  [–]kolodnik 80ポイント81ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Berlin here. I think it has been pretty bad for refugees at times. Especially in my city a lot of mismanagement has been going on. For me personally (as I am not a refugee) nothing much has changed. The only thing I can point to is that I've heard some pretty sick stories from people fleeing the war in Syria, but that's basically it.

                  Edit: Oh and at one point the gym I train at was used to temporarily house refugees, so that was a minor inconvenience for two months or so...

                  [–]HKei 401ポイント402ポイント  (35子コメント)

                  1. No. I think even calling it a 'crisis' is a bit of an overstatement.
                  2. I've been asked for directions in broken english a couple of times.

                  [–]FriendlyAnnon[S] 48ポイント49ポイント  (26子コメント)

                  So what do you think of Angela Merkel?

                  [–]throw-away_catch 174ポイント175ポイント  (23子コメント)

                  I don't support Angela Merkel in terms of politics too much. Her party is too conservative for me. BUT I think she's handling the situation pretty good.
                  She tries to find the right compromise.

                  [–]zzephyrus 61ポイント62ポイント  (18子コメント)

                  Wow that's weird. I browse a lot on different sites like 9gag, reddit (on multiple different subs), both American as Dutch news sites (I am Dutch) and I'd almost believe Angela Merkel is the devil itself and that refugees are there with a hidden plan to take over the country when I read most of the comments. I am really surprised by comments like yours and the others in this thread since it gives a completely different view on what I thought was at least slightly 'true'.

                  A question though, are you one of the few who view this 'crisis' and Angela Merkel as such or are there many people who share the same sentiment?

                  [–]whisperingmoon 114ポイント115ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Remember, people with the most intense views are the ones likeliest to comment on any issue. Those who are deeply upset, regardless of the issue, shout loudest-- people who are satisfied seldom take to the internet to complain.

                  The "commenters' selection bias" is an important one to keep in mind whenever a controversial issue comes up.

                  [–]timidforrestcreature [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                  I dont know man trump actually won the nomination so...

                  [–]Plague_Walker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  The US is an extremist country, of course there are lots of extreme-view holding people in it.

                  [–]the_salubrious_one [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  This thousand times over. Everyone in this internet age should hear this to gain some goddam perspective.

                  [–]throw-away_catch 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Well the AFD (extreme right wing party) got a lot more followers recently (up to 20%..) so that tells a lot. Most people are somewhere in the middle though.

                  [–]user23187425 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yes, but that's all due to fear-mongering and a surfacing of racial hate that we were spared for the longest time. And islamophobia. That has been there before, but now it's found an outlet.

                  [–]fiesewicht 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Yeah but Mecklenburg-Vorpommern is a very rural state with a smaller population than Hamburg. They didn't get that many votes in lower Saxony.

                  [–]whisperingmoon 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Not to mention, le Front National in France has had quite a presence there for decades-- and increasing somewhat-- but it's not necessarily reflective of broader national feeling. Growth of fringe parties is not prominence of fringe parties, necessarily.

                  [–]stainorstreak [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Well the AFD (extreme right wing party) got a lot more followers recently (up to 20%..) so that tells a lot. Most people are somewhere in the middle though.

                  Those voting for single issue or far right party's tend to be ones never exposed to immigration or live far away from multi-cultural areas. Happens to be the case in the UK and UKIP voters in the last GE and (IIRC) for much of the Brexit vote; the majority of the areas that voted that way were areas with the last amount of immigrants

                  [–]NoIdeaWhatIMean [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Yeah, 20% in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern... A state nobody cares about.

                  [–]AWildBugHasAppeared 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Wow that's weird. I browse a lot on different sites like 9gag, reddit (on multiple different subs), both American as Dutch news sites (I am Dutch) and I'd almost believe Angela Merkel is the devil itself and that refugees are there with a hidden plan to take over the country when I read most of the comments. I am really surprised by comments like yours and the others in this thread since it gives a completely different view on what I thought was at least slightly 'true'.

                  A lot of that is due to Neo-Nazi's from groups like Stormfront actively trying to stirr up hatred. That makes it easier to find insecure people and convert them.

                  [–]Muffin_Cup 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Reality is often in the greyspace, but things are generally reported as black and white issues.

                  [–]user23187425 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I totally agree with throw-away_catch.

                  I think the problem is that racist haters are very verbal on the internet. They are even verbal in Germany right now and politically successful. (AfD) But there is no change in actual daily life backing up racist hate.

                  [–]kniebuiging 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I sense a broad support for Merkel actually. Also among voters of the labor Party and the greens who. The problem is, that her conservative party fears to lose their right wing, which fuels the whole Debate. The anti-immigration party AFD has won between 5-10 % in recent provincial elections. All other parties kind of are either in line with Merkel or more refugees supportive. However, that fringe right gets a lot of media attention (and few votes given the media attention).

                  [–]flak153 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Most of the people complaining about European refugees are Americans who want to be validated

                  [–]Mendicant_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Like how Trump said "Clinton is trying to be the American Merkel", meaning for it to be some deathly insult, when most people outside of the far-right wing see her as a confident, competent, well-liked centrist leader who has steered Germany into being the economic powerhouse of Europe. Clinton could dream of being even a third as successful a leader as Merkel.

                  [–]Buntschatten [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  I can always laugh about the "I'm moving to germany soon, but I'm worried about all the immigrants"-Americans in /r/germany.

                  [–]gardenawe 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  I never voted for her but her but her dealing with it made me appreciate her more . She could have caved in to appease the AFD crowd or Seehofer in her own party but she didn't .

                  [–]throw-away_catch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yep. She stands for what she's saying

                  [–]MrFlow [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                  One thing that really annoys me is that, due to the refugee crisis, foreigners seem to think that Angela Merkel is a very progressive leader in Europe when actually she's from a very conservative party.

                  For example, Angela Merkel doesn't support Gay Marriage, she says "my ideal marriage is a union between a man and a woman" and she's the main reason why we are the only Western European nation that still doesn't have Gay Marriage.

                  [–]throw-away_catch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Yeah that sucks. As I mentioned, I don't agree with her politics usually, but think that she handles the so called "crisis" pretty good

                  [–]HKei 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  She's good. I think she's made some poor reactionary decisions, like putting the shutting down of nuclear reactors on a really short schedule or refusing to take a stance for privacy over national security, but she's the best leader we've had in my lifetime. I'm not sure how much longer she can really last with all the pressure that's being put on her, but I'm also not sure who could replace her.

                  [–]NetSraC1306 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  She's handling the situation in the best possible way. Right now there are pretty much 0 good alternatives and she's doing a solid job in showing resposibility while literally everyone makes stuff up and throws shit on her.

                  [–]Abnorc 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  It usually is an overstatement. I remember in an into to journalism class I took they said that immigration issues are often represented as crises by media as a general rule.

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                    [–]INLOVEWITHDAWEED 55ポイント56ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    To be honest everything is fine over here, the only thing that changed is that some older people look at me weirder then before the crisis, mostly because my skin color is caramel and also right wing parties are getting more and more popular out of the irrational fear from some people. Otherwise I didnt get more or different problems than I've had before the ''crisis''.

                    [–]ratloach [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Hahaha same here. I was riding my bike the other day and this old couple stared me down.

                    [–]AgoraiosBum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Does it help once you explain that you are just in love with da weed?

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                      [–]redwillowfire 104ポイント105ポイント  (14子コメント)

                      Not German myself, but my mom just returned from staying with "family" in Germany and she was asking them for their take on the situation and whether actual issues and crime were popping up as a result. Unsurprisingly, there has been no issue. Where this family is, they have about 15k refugees living in large barracks a few blocks away, and they were telling my mom how much of a non-issue it was. They get jobs, save up to support themselves, and move out of the barracks and into the city. They also told her that even throughout the country it wasn't at all what American news was building it up to be.

                      [–]user23187425 74ポイント75ポイント  (11子コメント)

                      I'm German and very glad your mom understands what's going on.

                      What really makes me almost despair are the discussions on reddit itself. You would think redditors to be a little bit smarter than average, still, /r/worldnews is clogged with people who project their fears onto Germany. That's really strange.

                      Germany is still doing good except for the right-wing problem, and by that i mean AfD and a heyday for racists. That is the real problem.

                      [–]komnenos 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      As someone who goes on r/worldnews (but has a very different viewpoint from the average commenter there) one thing I've noticed is that the vast majority of anti Islam/brown people (lost all faith in the sub when people were cheering the genocide in Burma...) on there are Americans. I'm saying this as another American but take a look on their accounts and you'll usually find them on their local city sub or bitching about life in the Midwest (or some other giveaways).

                      [–]AWildBugHasAppeared 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      /r/worldnews is a popular target for Neo-Nazis from Stormfront. They're activvely exagerating and fabricating issues to make the world seem more hostile towards white people since it drives more disenfranchised white people towards fascism and similar extremist ideologies.

                      [–]Smitigy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      worldnews gets constantly brigaded by the same people who upvote the_donald

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                        [–]Amanoo 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        American news is, well, American news, though. After the Netherlands got euthanasia laws, Americans on TV started claiming that 10% of deaths in the country were caused by euthanasia, half of which were old people who were forcefully euthanised. I doubt I'll have to tell you how ridiculous that is. No wonder so many Americans believe that they live in this supposed "best country on earth".

                        [–]Chris11246 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        A lot of Americans are realizing that our news is biased and is going for shock factor now.

                        [–]atemerev 46ポイント47ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        Here in Switzerland, politicians are capitalizing every single drop out of it, but I have seen no changes compared to the situation, say, 3 years ago. Most people are helping and empathic.

                        [–]whisperingmoon 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Switzerland ban the construction of Muslim minarets a few years prior to the refugee crisis anyway?

                        [–]atemerev 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Only minarets, not mosques or Islamic centers or anything like that. Minarets are noisy.

                        [–]Shirinator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        I'd like to hijack your comment to point out that Switzerland has relatively strict emigration laws (compared to the rest of Europe, they apply for EU countries too) and they have some border protection.

                        [–]PuzzledKitty 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Is it as bad as they make it out to be?

                        No, not for the average citizen. Most people just go about their day and have no interaction with the masses of people who seek refuge from war, murder and raids.

                        Those who volunteer to help at the camps have a lot of work to do, and some tensions have arisen when cultures clashed. BUT(!) the main thing that changed was the focus of politics. Everyone in politics talks about the refugees and "makes an elephant out of a mosquito" as they say here. But very few citizens come in contact with the whole "crisis", which in my opinion, kinda invalidates the therm here.

                        What does happen is that a lot of resources get cycled around and redistributed, but that mainly affects the market and the state, not your average pal on the street.

                        How has it affected me personally?

                        On my daily commute I helped a couple people on the train who were unsure where they should go, when they should take which train and which class they could sit in, all these things.

                        Also, a couple more people silently praying during certain times in public, like in a café or in the train, but they were very discreet about it, and I've seen this rather often before, I just see a couple more nowadays.

                        [–]user23187425 115ポイント116ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        No, it's not. I work right next to a refugee center, it's all peaceful. Crime has not gone up, statistically, and nothing is brushed under the rug. Even though there has been crime.

                        The people voting AfD are the ones who have the least exposition to refugees. It's basically all racism that had been under the radar all these years. The only thing that changed is a lot ado about nothing.

                        I don't think much of Angela Merkel, since i've never been a fan of the CDU. But i do respect her more for her refugee-friendly politics. Don't forget, though, that this has practically been reversed due to pressure.

                        [–]sheik_yerbouti_jr 76ポイント77ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        Munich here.

                        First of all, let's get something cleared up: less than half of them are refugees. Most are economic migrants who piggybacked on the wave.

                        To the question: Zero influence. No problems at all. Not even begging in the street.

                        I met some Afghans at a clinic and helping them was easy: they already learned some German and were generally very friendly.

                        PS They are way better behaved that F*king gypsies.

                        [–]xmenattilathehun 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        It's amazing to get first hand account of the situation. Here is the US the media portrays as if everything bad in Europe is done by the immigrants

                        [–]apple_kicks [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                        Happens everywhere some did heat map which showed areas of high immigration and areas which vote for UKIP which is vocally against EU immigration. Areas which had low rates of immigration where the areas with the most UKIP voters.

                        People tend to fear what they don't know and are more willing to listen to a dangerous message since it makes them feel safe as they can become more prepared to the imagined danger. You'd think in a Internet age we can end stuff like this quicker but people are stubborn and miss information can spread just as fast.

                        [–]-eagle73 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        Maybe because not every UKIP voter is concerned solely on immigration?

                        [–]spaghettiGo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I was actually abroad for a year and just returned to Germany. It's amazing how far media portrayal and reality are from each other.

                        [–]uncertainkitten [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        It's nice to acutally see the positive side of the internet for once. Being able to get first hand accounts from almost anywhere on the world.

                        [–]GrueneWiese 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Munich here too - okay, outskirts of munich.

                        We have two of these air-supported structures as shelters out here. But there's no real problem with the refugees at all. We see them riding on their bikes, they earn some money by mowing lawns and stuff.

                        There were just some small incidents. Some weeks ago one of the tried to steal a bike at a local super market. And some school girls felt molested by a group of man - but's not clear if they were refugees. So ... that's it.

                        [–]apple_kicks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        Overall it's not going to be a country ending disaster, it also won't be a utopia. Just normal inbetween with some arseholes and some good people like with any population.

                        Guess fear sells more headlines and gets more clicks than 'refugee has a normal day in thier adopted country'

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                          [–]IceStun 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          I don't have any problems at all, but I hate how everyone wants to tell us germans, how much of a problem the refugees are. Just let germany handle the "crisis" and care more about the problems your country has.

                          [–]Phusions [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I think it's pretty ironic how other countries talk about the crisis, all while a lot of them don't even (try to) contribute at all.

                          Maybe I'm just not up to date on the while thing but that's just fucked up in my opinion...

                          [–]scorp7331 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                          People are annoyed with Germany because you're forcing EU countries to accept refugees.

                          [–]B4nK5y [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          if we could "force" anything we would've already done it

                          [–]havenjay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I mean Merkel's power has an influence on the rest of Europe regarding this issue, so...

                          [–]-eagle73 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          This is how I felt after the EU referendum.

                          [–]DerCoookie 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Everything is still the same just with some more people.

                          I see alot of refugees in my professional school, they learn german here and are overall really polite.

                          The one time i worked with a CAD programm they came by with their teacher and listened to what we do. They were really interested and even asked questions.

                          I don't really mind them but my classmates are really racists towards them.

                          [–]Pit_Mosh 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Guy from south Germany here,

                          I life really close to the biggest refugeecamp/shelter in my area (~500m distance, ~450 refugees).

                          We really have no mentionable problems. A lot of people here try to help where they can and there are a lot of activities all around the refugees. Also the churches are dedicated (probably in hope of new members, but help is help).

                          Overall I'd say we are a positive example, but it's no crisis nowhere at all as long as there are enough people who sacrifice their free time to help. Political solutions are slow as usual.

                          [–]qx87 36ポイント37ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          Nope, and I'm not affected

                          [–]FriendlyAnnon[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          So what do you think of Angela Merkel? Do you think people will really vote in AFD because of the fear mothering?

                          [–]qx87 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I never agreed with frau merkel nor the policies of the CDU party, yet I admit she showed character, and while stating the obvious (gotta help refugees UNO contracts and all that moral stuff) did a risky political move for the 1st time in her career. (right after disemboweling the poor greeks) I guess she wants her special place in the history books and a shot at the nobel peace prize.

                          so while I could never vote for her or her party, she gained a little more of my respect as a political tactician who has the guts to take a risk.

                          edit: no clue about the afd situation, my afd less life is too much of a bubble. I cannot make any objective statement. let's wait for the berlin elections this sunday, those results should be interesting.

                          in general I like that new political parties do form and fail in regular intervals in germany, so, democracy as intended, this time it's afd, and if that refugee craze simmers down so will the afd.

                          [–]just_testing3 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          *fear mongering

                          [–]Arvendilin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          They will, hopefully not too many tho

                          [–]AWildBugHasAppeared 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I think people are more likely to vote AfD because of economic disenfranchisement and loss of political power for the middle- and working class.

                          [–]TheTruesigerus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          The afd wants to shafts the working class. I know many people do vote for them for that reason, but it's not beneficial for them.

                          [–]xSiraxXx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I can tell from what I've heard from legitimate podcasts:

                          There's some college student cities and they are supposed to vote for the AfD (Alternative for germany). I can tell you from my side:

                          College students have a bad reputation in my point of view and also in my family's. I think people who vote for the AfD are fucking retarded and probably haven't read their program.

                          Merkel is being criticized from a lot of people. I think she shouldn't have given an open invitation but of course germany would be racist if she wouldn't. But altogether she is a good chancellor

                          Also, I had refugees in my old school (1 1/2 years ago) and they seemed to not give a fuck about anything. When I had class in the room next to them they were just loud and all that, played music on the school's "territory" which was forbidden and were just weird... You can guess I have bad experience with them. The only thing that really bothered me, though, is that people look at you like you are the refugee.

                          [–]Crisfal 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Ill give my point of view being an inmigrant that isnt escaping from syria (coming from chile). 1. Most inmigrants treat other inmigrants like me like shit. But like, really bad. They think of others as trash and bully them as they are over 9000 and usually we end being less. Im 15 and i used to go to a public school where we went to the program that germany gives to inmigrants(DaZ, Deutsche als Zweitesprache or german as 2 language) but its basically an arab class. We were 25 in class, 22 being arabs and 2 greeks and me. Also as this program is from 10-18 years old i used to have mostly kids that were between 10-12 years and the other part was a lot smaller (80%-20%). I don't really think the situation directly is as bad as its portraited but really, if they are being accepted, they should accept other inmigrants as equals and not as trash. Also by the quality of the program its very clear that was Merkel wants is hand workers, because its very easy to just go and repeat years, they literally teach only german in german to non-speakers for 5 hours a day, learning 10 words per month. That's not how you do things, plus the class being from 10-18 it was really hell itself.

                          [–]Wichtelkaiser 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          German here, I haven't been affected on a personal level at all. However, I rarely ever am out and if I am, I'm biking or hiking so little interaction with people beside those I already know.

                          Despite that being true, I have some insight due to friends being police officers. There is a lot of stuff going on that isn't portrayed in the media and is scary as hell. For example our special forces of the police regularly have to go to refugee centers and rescue regular police from mobs that form after altercations. That stuff does not make it to the news. Ever.

                          Our economy does, what our economy does: They're capitalizing on it. Ammo and weapons have been selling like crazy (mainly in Bavaria - again personal sources, a few vendors I know down there) since January. One of our Drugstore chains just listed pepper spray (which you are not allowed to use unless against animals like dogs) in their general selection.

                          There is definitely a feeling of fear throughout our society, which can be measured by such things far better than by some polls that push this agenda or the other.

                          The best signal though is how strong the AfD (Alternative für Deutschland) is doing in politics currently, pushing Merkels CDU out in core districts. They're aligned to the right and are pretty silly people but wiping the floor with the established parties due to their stances.

                          So politically and economically speaking, yes, it is affecting everyone.

                          Personally? All my bad experiences while growing up when it came to violence has been in connection with "citizens with immigration background", mainly Turkish back then. Therefore, I am biased and have always been wary of strangers that are not German. This hasn't really changed at all. Still the same skepticism that formed when I was beat up as a child and teenager.

                          Yet, I am glad that between all the bad and horrible people that will do horrible things in Europe and Germany, the majority is indeed in dire need of help. Some of my grandparents fled during the World Wars and I wouldn't be around to have an opinion, if they had been denied help. I'm sure more good than bad will come off this in the end, whenever that might be.

                          EDIT: Some words

                          [–]Dippofix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Just out of interest, what core districts are you talking about here? Mecklenburg-Vorpommern can hardly be described as a core district to anyone.

                          [–]SomeBlindGuy 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          I live in a big city, so it doesn't really affect me. I imagine people who live in smaller communities might feel differently.

                          The worst thing that happened to me that can be connected to refugees are two encounters with obnoxious assholes who justified their shitty behavior with "At least I'm not a refugee."

                          Nobody I know had any bad experiences with refugees, though there were quite a few stories about harassment-incidents at public pools. No idea how much of that is fear-mongering and how much is real.

                          [–]xerkir 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          That's interesting. I thought I don't get much exposure to refugges because I live in a relatively small city. I see a refugee occasionally but they behave like anybody else so I don't mind.

                          [–]SomeBlindGuy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I mean, I regularly see people who I'd guess are refugees, but like you said they tend to act like anybody else.

                          [–]larsonico 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I live in Kiel so we have a pretty big port here.Daily I see refugees walking from the central station down to the port. It's kind of crazy because you keep seeing people who basically own nothing, their clothes are old and outworn. I even have a refugee in my class, she came about 2-3 years ago and is now fluent in German (she doesnt even have an accent) but its super interesting to hear her point of views when it comes to this topic. She says that she would love to go back some day, but she thinks that staying in Germany is safer for now. Other then that, I'm sometimes asked if I have some money/cigarretes/a lighter/etc. so I'm not really disturbed at all. u still hear about refugees robbing people time and again though but all in all i'd not say that this is a crisis

                          [–]Roary12 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Never been bothered by a refugee. I don't even notice them much. The right wing AFD is a lot more annoying with their bullshit "Germany should stay christian" and whatnotelse crap. I can't believe so many people fall for that. It's honestly made Angela Merkel seem pretty nice the way she's handling things although she's basically had to backtrack on a lot of things as well to appeal to those backward thinking bavarian oltimers from the CSU. Thankfully the media doesn't care for either of them much. Especially the AFD is portrayed exactly as the right wing antidemocratic party they are. I guess it doesn't help them much that they have the restriction of free media basically written in their program. Ugh sorry, rant...

                          [–]noobwannabot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          You do not see many refigees or at least I do not feel a big difference. Funny part is that a lot of people talk about refugee crimes. If you take the police statistics it seems that refugees commit a lot of crimes. But on these statistics are crimes included which refugees have to commit in order to get into germany (sneak through borders of italy and austria) vor which they are likely to commit (get from one department to the other while your assylum visa only allows you to stay in this particular department). If you only take the statistic of "normal" crimes (robbery, Vandalism, rape etc.) they score the same amount oft crimes per 1000 refugees AS do german males from age of 18-29 years.

                          So you can say that there is more violence, but it is not AS big AS politicians want to tell you (speaking to you Donald, Höcke, Orban & co)

                          [–]caspermado [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Stuttgart area here. It's certainly not as bad. Just some people whining around and media prefering to deliver bad news than good news. Sells better, i guess. The only way I've been affected is, that whenever I go to my local shopping center I'm politely greeted or at least smiled at by some refugees. Please leave the refugees here and deport AFD voters and nazis to syria. Thanks.

                          [–]BuddhaKekz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          • 1. Is the crisis as bad as some sources are portraying it? Depends on what sources you refer to. If it is Fox News, than no. The refugees didn't raise the crime statistics in any meaningful way. Yes there is crime among them and there is more right wing crime that tries to "combat" the refugees. But our society is not falling apart and we are not being replaced by muslims.

                          The main problem is, Germany never had to face these masses of immigrants and asylum seekers. Our government thought we would be save, since we had Dublin II, which ment refugees had to apply in the first EU country they landed on, usually Greece and Italy. But those countries were overwhelmed, especially Greece. They had no choice but to let them go. Of course the refugees used this to get to a wealthy country, who wouldn't? I would want the best place to stay for me and my family too.

                          The second part of this problem is that Germany had neither real policy on how to integrate immigrants nor the infrastructure to deal with those masses. That's the bulk of the problem, we had too little people workin waaaay too much paperwork. Also we don't have enough open slots in language courses, partly because we lack qualified teachers. And finding room to house them wasn't exactly easy too.

                          On top of that it is of course an economical burden. I think it can pay off in the long run. Germans aren't getting enough children to support our pension system, so we need immigrants to keep it afloat. Many of them may leave before they start to pay into our pension system, but that isn't too much of a problem either. When they go home they will have a positive connection with Germany, so if Syria and Afghanistan become safe places again they might start buisness with german companies, which could benefit everyone.

                          • 2. How has immigration affected me? I literally met a larger group of refugees once since this whole "crisis" started. You know what they did? They stood in the main boulevard and handed out roses and said "thank you for helping us". Aside from that I only ever saw one or two at a time and they were just minding their own buisness. So the only time I was affected, was when people showed me gratitude from the bottom of their heart (which I don't even think I deserved, since I have done nothing personally).

                          [–]Arvendilin 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Uhh I say more black or brown people, and that is basically about it.

                          Ofcourse there a problems, but seeing how most crime other than theft, fell (sexual violence by like 6% murder by like 4% etc.), in 2015, when they all came, compared to 2014, I'd say it is not too horrible.

                          Ofcourse I dislike how it had been handled in classic center-right fashion, there is a lot to critizise, and I also dislike how much it divides our nation, and I think it might have created the biggest threat to our european values of enlightenment, a new rise of the far right.

                          But yea over all hasn't been too bad, plus I get to practice my English a bit so I guess thats a plus! :D

                          Edit:

                          Here is a post in which I clarify what I meant with center-right fashion and what I dislike about it:

                          https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/512e41/germany_election_merkel_challenged_by_antimigrant/d78zflv?context=3

                          [–]yeahresilience 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          • gym had to be completely renewed after it served as housing for refugees. so for a year or so we couldn't use the gym.
                          • was sitting with a friend in park. suddenly arabic speeking guys on bikes drove around us shooting a video of us?? wtf.
                          • played football against refugees. very aggressive playing.. got an elbow into my face and a bleeding lip (i'm female).. never happened to me before in any other game.

                          apart from that nothing has changed. well there are generally more people.

                          [–]amaryl-liz 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          first part: totally agreeing with BardunR.

                          second part: More than once I got involved in a conversation when I was clearly not interested (while running, with earphones on etc.). They started the conversation with: "hey little princess/queen/.." or "I wanna care for you, sweetheart". Considering that describing us Germans as cold or distant seems like an understatement, this is kind of disturbing. I always told them that calling a stranger "princess" seems rude here, and we just don't do this, even if it was meant to be nice. I guess it didn't get through most of the times. Don't get me wrong, they never got offensive, I never felt fear and I'm not more anxious about walking alone, but having to say 'no' five times and more before they stop asking me out is annoying (and this were five very clear, serious No!s, not that type you could misinterpret).. I guess this is just a difference that they need to learn. Actually I understand them, they are lonely and have nothing to do. Some guy was actually very polite, asked me if I could teach him a bit German, but he never stopped hitting on me, despite I made it very clear that I have a boyfriend; he completely ignored it. This was frustrating, because I really wanted to help, and you see them, and knowing you could help, but every time you got in contact they were so clingy that I backed out.

                          edit: so thats annoying, but the things that make me really angry are the racist, humiliating comments from fellow students and other people around. That definitely increased, and I hate that so much.

                          [–]cytrix11 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I'm austrian and not german, but the "crisis" didn't affect me. At all.

                          [–]alucardcanidae 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          The thing that annoys me the most of the whole situation: Everyone complains about the situation! Seriously. I never had any problems with any immigrant. I just hear that crying and ranting of almost every person I know everyday. x_X

                          It grinds my gear.

                          [–]Sayakai 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Working in security.

                          There's been a felt increase in people who basically do as they please - not in a criminal sense, just in a social convention sense. Don't have data to back this up, of course. Maybe it's just my mind.

                          There's also been a huge influx of lower quality workers in the sector, as companies took pretty much anyone with a heartbeat who's capable of sitting in a room for a week. Having to work with those people is really exhausting.

                          As for everyday life, there hasn't been that much of a change, mostly because I don't think the refugees are mixing much with the general population. They're relatively walled off in their shelters, and being lacking in language skills, it's probably not particulary tempting for them to go exploring too much.

                          In the long run I'm mostly concerned about the low income job sector, seeing how it was already strained before, and the housing situation, as places with affordable homes for them to live in are also the places most likely to firebomb said homes, so instead the housing market gets even more strained everywhere else. Rents are already way too high.

                          [–]ZackZeysto 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I watch everyday the news and from my perspective as a citizen of a big city in Germany i can clearly understand some of the concerns but can't see a huge paradigmatic change that indicates Germany is becoming a totall mess.

                          I clearly get that we need to adress the need for accommodation. A few hundred of refugees were living in my street, in the schools gym. This was a problem, but was solved. And what i can say is that: - Neither did the refugees behaved like raping monsters nor were they loud or aggressive.

                          What startled me most was a comment of a fellow student. She said : ,,It is such a shame that a whole generation is getting raised without be able to have an appropriate gym class."

                          It is such a shame that we aren't able to be spontaneous and creative with our gym class. Come on like get out and do sports outside.

                          Not to start a political war, but i think the crisis is hugely fueled by the media, often in the wrong way. Keep calm people.

                          Edit: words.

                          [–]RightHandOnly 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          The younger generation in ex-West Germany grew up with immigrants, foreign accents and mechanics not speaking german well. So people are pretty used to it where I live. Hell, I grew up in a 30k population town and there was basically a whole "immigrant-part" of the town where old Turks were sitting in front of every second house, blasting turkish music. Kids didn't mind and so do the adults they grew into.

                          [–]TechniqueSquidward 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          The mass immigration is far from anything called a crisis. It had only little influence on the national finances. Big problems occur with the massive amounts of paperworks for the state departments. But this is rather an issue with the overloaded German bureaucracy that became apparent now more than before.

                          [–]alexroux [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I'm from the western part of Berlin. It took me 10 minutes at the most to get to my school / apprenticeship, but after the whole staff & students had to move to another building in the east, it takes me about 1 1/2 hour every morning to get to it. It doesn't really bother me, considering the former school building is now used as a hostel for refugees, which is good for them. A lot of teachers in our school quit their job in protest, though. It's just that no one told us that would happen and the news didn't cover that at all. At all. It's worrying when there don't seem to be as many places to put them to as "we" were told. Poopy for everyone, I guess. :/

                          [–]13narwhalbacon37 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          We've had about 80 refugees in my university's gym for about 1.5 years now, I've never heard or seen any problems with them on campus.

                          They usually stay in groups from 4-10 and apparently feel safe moving around like this. These groups are always friendly and usually don't appear in crowded areas. Most of them stay close to the gym, but there is more variety in the daily crowd.

                          I've been living in my city for 6 years and the increase of ethnic variety in the last 2 years has been huge.

                          Personally, I've never had any bad occurences with them and appreciate the different faces.

                          [–]TheWiso [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          As my fellow fellow countrymen said, not much has changed for German citizens.

                          What I recognized mostly is the extreme political shift to the right ("Rechtsruck"). No German has to suffer from the situation but many people are voting the extreme right wing party "AfD" (Alternative for Germany) which promotes the hate to foreigners. Most of the voters are not generally "neo-nazis" but are generally unsatisfied with the government or are left behind from the system.

                          IMHO the "immigrant crisis" shows the friction of the German society more than being a very difficult task.

                          EDIT: What interests me is how the whole situation is portraiyed in your country's media!

                          [–]mtkktm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I have to agree that even the word crisis is a bit to much. For the very most people the refugees did not change much. I live right next to a very big refugee-asylum (no idea if that's how you call them im english) and it didg not change anything really, no more crimes or anything in that way. (Only that my bus is soo full sometimes) I really have the feeling that the AfD is the most succesful with people who do not actually have much to do with refugees and do not know many of them. (They just had their biggest succes in one of the states with the least refugees) One year after most people came here and the government did not raise taxes or anything and we just made the least new debts since like 20 years without any major cuts so I think we are not about to be destroyed or anything.

                          I never was a huge fan of Merkel, but if anything the "refugee crisis" made her more sympathic to me, because I think you can hardly blame someone for acting im a human way.

                          Edit: my english is terrible, but I am working on it.

                          [–]tintlizzy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          It's not I'm from Essen a city where many refugees live now and basically nothing really changed.

                          [–]poursome80sonme 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          some refugees slept in our school's gym so we had to use another one. that's the only way it has affected me. (note: i live in a very small place and most immigrants tend to move to bigger places so we don't have too many here.)

                          [–]kraahn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          No, it is not. Not by a very long shot, anyway.

                          Is it a challenge? Yes.

                          Was Germany's administrative infrastructure prepared in 2015? No.

                          Are they better set up nowadays? A little, yes.

                          Who carries the largest burden in this scenario? The refugees themselves. The housing facilities, language courses, and job prospects are not really great.

                          Are still more refugees coming? No, almost none.

                          What has changed in the daily lives of 98% of all Germans? Nothing at all.

                          Have you encountered refugees yourself? Yes, i have. Some people asked for help with the train system. And I went to some meetups organized by the local church where we cooked together and talked a bit.

                          What is the worst outcome of this "crisis" for Germany? The rise of the populist right, the alt-right, and the far right - mostly in those areas of Germany that were the least affected ones by the influx of refugees and that never had much contact with "foreigners" before. Typical political parasites leeching on imagined and projected fears, xenophobia, and a loss of self identity (which is - somehow - cured by nationalism).

                          But what about sexual harassment and attacks? There really was only one incident last New Years Eve in Cologne, which still isn't really understood. Those people weren't actually refugees but immigrants from north Africa, who had been here for some years already.

                          But what about terrorist attacks? Aren't those happening all the time? No, they are not.

                          Was it the right thing to do to let so many refugees into the country? Yes: from the standpoint of ethics, humanism, religion, and political responsibility, it was the right - and only thing - to do. (Shame on Hungary and Austria, btw. Shame on the Arab nations who couldn't have cared less for their supposed brothers and sisters.)

                          What about German culture? What about it? I am wearing American jeans, drinking some Italian beer, listening to American music. All the devices I use right now are Chinese or Korean. Dinner had German Sauerkraut, though. Other than that: Afghan people pick up German very quickly. And Syrian people have wonderful food.

                          Do you like Angela Merkel? I think she's a capable, reliable politician. That's about the maximum amount of emotion I can muster for any of those. She lacks a grand vision and charisma, but she is good at dealing with the shit life throws at her (Euro crisis, Greece, refugees...).

                          [–]Aislabie 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I'm not a German, but I have spent much of my summer travelling around Germany so I have some perspective on the situation. Cologne, maligned as the perfect example of why imigrayshun iz bad, was the safest and most pleasant place I stayed. At no point did I encounter any issues with any migrant population (which would have been pretty ironic, given that I'm British and speak negligible German) whatsoever. Those refugees and immigrants that I did come across were generally the most conscientious and hard-working of restaurant staff, etc. One even thanked me for speaking English to him, because he was still learning his German!

                          Nor had any of the Germans I met along the way encountered any refugee/immigrant-related issues.

                          Then again, I suppose it's hardly a surprise that the Murdoch press would want to stir up some xenophobic sentiment

                          [–]Woyschtel 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          The only problem that exists because of the so called refugee "crisis" are facist people grouping up together and putting themselves in the position of victims. Also it has become acceptable to be more racist which just sucks. I haven't had any complications with refugees and thankfully live in a pretty open minded city in germany. So the people we really have to fear aren't refugees, but instead we have to be careful there wont be some ucoming third-reich bullshit

                          [–]zStak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Problem is really that you can´t really immigrate to germany and you need to come in unallowed to claim asylum that combined with our german trait of using lots of official papers forms etc. just crashed the system therfore there were many delays in the process.

                          And as long as youre not processed you´re not allowed to work and after maybe 12-15 months in the beginneng without being able to afford anything and not speaking the language some of them understandibly got criminial as a way to earn some money on the side

                          [–]BananenMatsch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Nothing really changed, i see a lot syrian/iranian/afghans but they are just living and probably working.

                          [–]lpiicooo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          The only thin that happened in my town is that a refugee threw his kids out the window, I think one of them died. But are the refugees effecting my daily life? No not at all except for some of them asking for directions.

                          [–]-Chocobo- 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I'm a german student, sometimes in a bus there are some refugess so busses are fuller than before, don't notice anything else really.

                          [–]KlingonAdmiral [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Living in a about 10.4 thousand inhabitants town, we received about 800 refugees last summer - no idea how many we have nowadays, nothing in the newspapers and I personally don't really care. Which should already tell you a lot.

                          Admittedly, we were kinda lucky though. My hometown had a significant army presense in the Cold War (gotta protect the Fulda Gap), but with the end of conscription a few years back the Bundeswehr significantly downscaled their presence here, which left us with empty baracks basically just lying around unused.

                          You know what barracks are great for? Housing people.

                          There were some complaints beforehand and in the first few weeks (one instance I remember was children still playing loudly late at night - which makes sense once you consider the climate in Syria)

                          After those issues had been sorted out, nothing really. Except that the local shops love those additional customers.

                          [–]Rushix96 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          By now, not a real problem for the people here to live with the refugees. But at the beginning most people had concerns about them. They steal our jobs, they are terorrists, criminals and so on. I didn't really had a problem with them. The only way it affected me is, that our school gym was closed to be a shelter for the refugees. They had secruity out of the gym to make sure that no one get away and no one will harm them. Additionaly we get a few refugees to play in our football Club and with one of the we are good friends outside of football.

                          [–]AMooseInTheKitchen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I stayed in the US this past year and came back in to Germany in may. After I can back I wanted to do something like teaching German or helping students with homework, playing with the kids ... However after asking in several organizations in my city, it turned out that there is no more help needed, so from my perspective we're doing pretty good

                          [–]QuiekQuiekerQuieken [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          It's not bad at all for the people in Germany. This country is just full of racist, paranoid people who don't want to share their wealth with people who really need their help.

                          How has the immigration affected me? I have met many friendly, open-minded and fun people, who have experienced horrible things in their home countries and probably would have been killed if they hadn't fled. I am so glad they are here, in safety. The concern about a few minor problems with some extremely religious assholes who arrived here too mean NOTHING compared to the joy and relief I feel welcoming all the innocent people who have arrived here.

                          What I am very afraid of is the extreme right-wing parties who are successfully using the so-called immigration crisis in order to gain power. A lot pf Germans seem to have forgotten the terrible history of their country.

                          [–]xFreeZeex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          You see more black/brown people on the street. That's literally it. Sure there are a few black sheep, it's a sad truth but that's just statistics. Literally the only way that refugees had an influence on my life was that they occupied one of my school's gym halls for a few weeks. We have several schools next to each other and thus a couple of gym halls, so nobody cared. Also a lot of the refugees are so called "Wirtschaftsflüchtlinge", so they came here for economic reasons (not actually from Syria or the like, but from Morocco, Algeria etc.)

                          [–]ifrpin [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                          There are two young black dudes in my small village now. I guess from Eritrea. When I go to Aldi or Lidl in the small town there are sometimes arab looking people. Couldnt care less, never had any bad interaction. Actually its nice to see a few more young people and families than usual. When I lived in a place with lots of Turks I never had any problem with them either. People from former Yugoslavia had a pretty bad reputation though due to (organized) crime and robberies.

                          [–]ryan9112 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Why dont you ask the lebanese about it m8.

                          [–]jimmylime [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          1. I dont think the crisis is as bad as some people might say. But the opinions a very mixed, some political parties raised in popularity (afd) and all discussions about this subject heat up really fast..
                          2. I wark at a housing company and we often work with immigrants. The best moment at work in the last few months was leasing a flat to an immigrant tbh. He was really thankful and a humble person. Last week i heard he was sent back to his home country...

                          [–]V3N0M0US [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Not sure if this will get seen, since I am commenting so late. But I am an American currently studying abroad in Germany. Now before you say I know nothing, because I wasn't raised in the culture etc. just listen to what I have to say.

                          I arrived one month early to take an intensive language course and my class is 10/16 refugees from Syria and Iraq. Since there aren't too many German students around due to it being semester break, these are some of the only people I have befriended and hang out with so I have really heard their stories. Some had to walk for two or more months to get here and then spend a month living in camps before they could get settled, often being separated from their families. One of my friends is all alone here and has been for a year because his family couldn't make the journey. He hasnt seen them in all this time due to Syria's borders being closed, and can only occasionally contact them via facetime. Its really sad and I try to give my condolences but I know I couldnt even begin to really understand what they are going through.

                          You would have no idea though, they are all so positive, very friendly and welcoming to me. Honestly much nicer and more welcoming than most Americans that I have met

                          [–]dank420memes1337 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          It really isn't. In the beginning, there were a lot of refugees (so many that we were not ready for), but the immigration crisis has died down now to a point where you can't call it a crisis anymore. I personally have not met a single foreigner who insulted me, tried to rob me or was even remotely mean to me. Most of the refugees in my hometown (pretty small town in central Germany) speak our language pretty well (at least better than I speak arabic if I say so myself) and are ready to give and take help if needed. We had a pretty large percentage of foreigners in my town already (mostly from Russia and Turkey), but over the course of this year, I've seen a few more people from Balkan and Northern Africa. I personally was not even remotely affected by this, for me nothing in my life changed because of this crisis. Literally the worst moment I had with a foreigner was when I was on the train next to a guy from Morocco just last week, and when our tickets were checked he noticed that he forgot to leave the train on his station because he didn't fully understand the announcements in the train.

                          tl:dr what you hear the alt-right saying about the immigrant situation here is all just over-dramatized fear mongering (something they are experts at). Sadly there is a political party here (AfD) who does exactly that and is rather successful.

                          [–]WNDRKNDXOXO [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          My life changed not one bit

                          [–]Mhoram_antiray [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          As far as i know it's not a problem for the bigger cities, but the smaller communities (talking about South-West Germany here) have trouble with it.

                          Some cities have reported that areas are now dangerous to tread in, which was unthinkable before. Again, in smaller towns and villages and the like. Another thing is flats. Nigh impossible to rent cheap apartments anymore, because they get ripped out of the owners hands.

                          My current landlord had 38 requests after putting up an offer. In 20 minutes. He said about 25 of those have been made by refugees. He also complained a lot about the fact that he works 45 hours a week and, while owning a house mind, makes less money than some people that just arrived and boast about it. Take it with a grain of salt, can't confirm it :)

                          That said, i personally haven't experienced negative things yet. Mostly the turkish people that have been living here for longer complain about the attitude of the newcomers. Go figure! I understand it, though. Some people adapted and really tried to assimilate german values. With AFD and other idiots spouting propaganda, this is now all void. I can't even begin to imagine how frustrating that must be.

                          [–]CrustaceanOfMusic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Düsseldorf here. Our state, NRW, has 1/5th of all refugees in Germany (at least that's what I've read). On the whole, people are more cautious, especially in public, and a field that I was rather fond of was converted into a refugee centre. But in general, it hasn't affected daily life that much. People just go about their business as usual. The refugees don't even stand out that much either, and I haven't witnessed any outright hatred towards them. So things are more or less normal. Although tensions certainly are high... a friend of mine recently witnessed almost a hundred people running in one direction, thought there was an attack and hid... turns out they were playing Pokemon Go and chasing some rare Pokemon.

                          [–]toodrunktofuck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Everyday life is not so much affected but the health care system is really struggling on different levels. I have a psychiatrist and a pediatrician in my close family and right now is a bad time to need medical attention when you are living in a "hotspot" like we do. The psychiatrists hardly get anything non-refugee related done. It takes ages to even make an anamnesis due to language barriers. On top of that most aren't qualified to deal with patients with severe war induced PTSD.

                          The same is true for pediatrics. The Asylbewerberleistungsgesetz (book of law concerning asylum) requires a medical emergency to be treated immediately and not only being slowly processed by some physician in an official capacity (Amtsarzt) so what they do is they call 112 for every bullshit. The thing is that they have to respond by sending an ambulance and take the "patient" to the hospital even if they know it's 100% bullshit. Since we're living in a region with a lot of space in between cities the ambulances are gone for a relatively long time so there is a near constant shortage of first responders.

                          [–]lpg88 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I live in the country side I have never even seen a refugee.

                          [–]roelacfillan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          I'm pretty sure "immigration" crisis is misused here. Migrant Crisis is a better suited term.

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