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Alyssa: This is fashion. (logotv.com)

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[–]LadyLixerwyfeKatya Zamolodchikova 339ポイント340ポイント  (43子コメント)

Oooooh... they only released this to make a liar out of Phi Phi.

[–]tedsmittsAdore Delano 180ポイント181ポイント  (20子コメント)

My thoughts exactly. You want to drag LOGO/WoW PhiPhi? They can drag back.

[–]MaxWirestone 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

They can dig up this but we can't see Katya make Ru laugh in the walkthroughs?

[–]tedsmittsAdore Delano 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ru is not allowed to have emotions, you know this.

[–]conifer22Alyssa Edwards 57ポイント58ポイント  (1子コメント)

Too bad it's not national snake day so Phi Phi could have a party with Taylor Swift.

[–]tedsmittsAdore Delano 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those sneaky snakes stole arbor day for their very own!

[–]DeltaBadhan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Logo Execs snapping their fingers in the Z formation! Lol

[–]MatronneGeorgiaKatya Zamolodchikova 120ポイント121ポイント  (7子コメント)

Oh my god... Phi Phi said on Twitter that this was cut and pasted... but it's obviously not. There's no cut and it's obviously about Alyssa because he talks about her being a dancer and finishes with a comment about "Black Swan". I love Phi Phi and I've always been with her but girl... you thought that he said that to Detox, or maybe he did as well but really, he said it to Alyssa... Well, it was a year ago, you can't remember anything I guess. But it wasn't cut and pasted.

[–]LadyLixerwyfeKatya Zamolodchikova 115ポイント116ポイント  (2子コメント)

The fact that it was so long ago is the only redeemable factor. It could have been a very honest mistake. It just looks like WoW is not happy with the behavior. They've never posted a full critique before and this one certainly wasn't all that interesting.

[–]MatronneGeorgiaKatya Zamolodchikova 61ポイント62ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it was a mistake but the fact that she's tweeting "It was cut and pasted" is kinda messy... It's obviously not. But you're right, it was a year ago, I can give her that!

And yes, WoW really is coming through against her! So much drama.

[–]closestKatya Zamolodchikova 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure they are mad since she hasn't been up in drags for some promo, has been tweeting stuff trying to expose them, and all the T during the viewing party. Could this affect her gigs and coins? I wonder because she was already doing alright without them but people still talk.

[–]problematicrealnessKatya Zamolodchikova 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if it was some time ago, Phi Phi seemed to have said it with the clear intention of shaming the editors and tarnishing their name. So there's really no excuse.

[–]AlbrechtEinsteinBob the Drag Queen 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

and it's obviously about Alyssa because he talks about her being a dancer and finishes with a comment about "Black Swan".

And because he starts with "Hi Alyssa" lmao

I'm willing to believe that a similar comment was made to Detox and Phi Phi remembered wrong, but she cannot argue that this was cut and pasted.

[–]firmbonesBob the Drag Queen 35ポイント36ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, Phi Phi.

-WoW

[–]NaomitallsKatya Zamolodchikova 35ポイント36ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get her Logo!

[–]uu91 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

you go girl

[–]08toLAAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 54ポイント55ポイント  (0子コメント)

Omg it's like production saw this tweet and went "oh so you really came that way? awright, let us serve you some more bonus clips then, hunty!"

[–]mansonfamilyKatya Zamolodchikova 47ポイント48ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry but did people really just straight up believe everything Phi Phi said? Because fuck. Bullshit queen.

[–]bluejumpingdog 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

but lets make it clear Phi Phi is a liar even if this wasn't released, is not like the producer are making her lie

[–]PotatoPancake420Tatianna 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm so confused rn, what did she lie about?

[–]SassMattsterRolaskatox 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Phi2 claimed during a viewing party Roscoe's and on twitter that this specific critique was actually given to Detox but the editors copy and pasted it to sound like it was to Alyssa. Logo rebutted by releasing Alyssa's full critique which clearly shows that it was indeed given to Alyssa

[–]AlbrechtEinsteinBob the Drag Queen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is reminding me of Dan Foley on Survivor season 30...

For those who don't watch: in an early episode we saw Dan tell another contestant "your mother's a whore". On social media, he spent the rest of the season blaming Survivor editors for sabotaging his character, complaining about how that line was taken out of context, and generally being negative about the show in a way that Survivor contestants rarely are.

In the reunion episode they confronted Dan and played a full minute of raw footage, so anyone with doubts could see that he really did just say it out of nowhere. Lol.

Phi Phi should watch out...if they want to damage her credibility, I'm sure there's more where this came from.

[–]Kobolda 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And I was team phiphi, I defended she from all my friends. You made me stupid in front of my friends phiphi, not cool.

[–]CamillaAbernathy 212ポイント213ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now release raven simonyay's. Haha

[–]huntychaserLilly... that's the ... young one.. right? 146ポイント147ポイント  (1子コメント)

WOW: Now.. back to that bitch that had a lot to say about me at Roscoe's.. PhiPhi, what's good?

[–]ZeAndy 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, I never understand Phi Phi on the show. On social media, in person and when I talk to people who have met her/worked with her they all say she's really nice! She's a talented queen and love her style but where is this bitchiness coming from, her pageant days? It's really frustrating watching her as a fan of her's.

[–]Laguna_AzureMiss Appropriation DeFundz 127ポイント128ポイント  (11子コメント)

Surprisingly, Carson gave pretty good critique. Makes me think about his other unedited ones.

[–]ZeeenGardenTatianna 60ポイント61ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've always thought Carson was a meh-judge but watching these critiques I'm just gonna blame the editors for not giving him enough time, he is actually great!

[–]jd1zRoxxxy Andrews 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

They just like his soundbites more. And it edits down better lol

[–]katzaliWhat the henny did you just say about me, you little Heather? 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, he says so much campy fun stuff mixed in with real critiques and they just cut the critiquing so they can keep throwing the 'gay gay gay' Carson in our face. Which I love, but I also want to see what he's telling the queens thank u.

[–]laularKatya Zamolodchikova 50ポイント51ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's so professional too! Just that little part where he stumbled over his words, then repeated what he meant to say. Didn't miss a beat, didn't point out his mistake, then gave them the soundbite they needed. They give him so little to do on this show I constantly forget how experienced he is in tv.

[–]longgonelolKatya Zamolodchikova 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I found it so interesting to watch him give actual critiques and then serve up some sound bites to follow.

[–]pussycatsglore -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Um

[–]VioletChutzkeethe color one 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I think the editors have him pigeonholed into this "really really gay/too gay to function judge" niche that's supposed to be fun and light, while Michelle and Ross provide the meatier critiques. It would definitely be nice to show him giving more substantial critiques though, especially since Todrick doesn't really seem to be stepping up to the role of a regular judge this season and keeps fading into the background - Carson at the very least has good presence. I'd appreciate more of his input so that panels don't seem so much like Michelle Visage's Drag Race.

[–]Quixotic91 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly, the show needs to be longer.

[–]VioletChutzkeethe color one 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This, too. The 90 minute episodes are so much more satisfying.

[–]TBrew89 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

His Himalaya ride art read had me on the floor

[–]AlbrechtEinsteinBob the Drag Queen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, completely aside from the way this plays into the current drama, it was so interesting to see full critiques instead of a few disparate soundbites. I like getting these little peeks behind the scenes.

[–]sehmenteh 94ポイント95ポイント  (11子コメント)

this made me realize how awkward drag race must be without music and the fancy angles, it's like cold or something?

[–]ZeeenGardenTatianna 51ポイント52ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah they should blast Rectangle Girls Of The World during the main critiques.

No but I get it, it's surprising even though it would be anything but realistic if it wasn't that silent.

[–]damnfortuna 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

shreeking. gorilla. laughter. why did you do this to me.

[–]HuishteKatya Zamolodchikova 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

BITCH

[–]longgonelolKatya Zamolodchikova 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Imagine doing the runway walk without the music and just hearing the judges throwing out comments. I wonder if they do the music edition first or second?

[–]AcidBettyNeedsASpank 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

When you're making reality tv, you can't have music, because it's impossible to edit around

[–]itirnitii -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

You realize they can just mute it and put in any soundtrack they want at any moment?

[–]AlbrechtEinsteinBob the Drag Queen 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not if they still want to use the recorded dialogue (like Carson's critique here)

[–]itirnitii 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

They wouldn't have music during a critique....

[–]AlbrechtEinsteinBob the Drag Queen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, I agree - I thought you were arguing (above) that they could play music any time while filming and just mute it later?

I'm saying they never play music while filming, except in some dance scenes, lip syncs etc, when the contestants need to hear the music. Never when there's the potential for dialogue.

[–]DropDeadGorgKatya | Alaska | Alyssa | Phi Phi 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gurl. Are you really asking about the temperature on the main stage?

[–]AngelaVisaliaKisses and Anal 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got some tea from a New York queen I can't say who but trust me, she says its 56 fahrenheit

[–]RevgosAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 90ポイント91ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wish there was like an unedited version of the episodes,it could be 3 to 4 hours and I would still watch it.

[–]JunoCarrionKatya Zamolodchikova 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would as well,but that would probably screw the "storylines" that the producers create with editing.

[–]BurritoChainsaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ugh I know it would, but it would be so cool and raw and real. Though staring at that backdrop hurts.

[–]DragNerd 81ポイント82ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most passive aggressive exclusive video EVAH!

So well deserved!

[–]Edgarallanhoe_Alaska Thunderfuck 5000 78ポイント79ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wasn't there some T Phi Phi spilled saying that the "this is fashion" comment was directed towards Detox? clearly after this clip being realeased, it wasn't.

[–]conifer22Alyssa Edwards 109ポイント110ポイント  (2子コメント)

The judges are not seeing that Phi Phi's being a complete bitch.

[–]chemicalrose(B)eing (I)n (C)otal (T)ontrol of (H)erself 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well that was frank

[–]jd1zRoxxxy Andrews 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Think Yew.

[–]evilqueenlexPhilaskadelanoannaedwardsgingericuntzamoandrews 52ポイント53ポイント  (8子コメント)

Can they release all critiques unedited from now on namely whatever the hell Raven said that booted Adore out the door.

[–]ShigataIchikuchiRoxxxy Andrews 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

Tati said she said Adore was flat.

[–]queenbuttcheeks 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I feel like it'd take a little more than that to make her cry like that

[–]kurukurupaaaaAlyssa Edwards 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was a personal song that she wrote herself. I can understand if she was upset that it was called "flat."

She's had a rough year, deaths in the family and things, it wouldn't take too much to rain on her fire.

[–]Dejahthoris22Acid Betty 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This. She just wasn't ready for Drag Race at this point. She needs time to mourn. Only time heals wounds like that.

[–]ShigataIchikuchiRoxxxy Andrews 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doubt it.

[–]Dejahthoris22Acid Betty 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just to be clear, you mean Raven Symone, not our Raven, correct?

[–]FuckboiSupremeAnyone from Rolaskatox 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Symon-yay yes

[–]somelessonsAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was so weird to watch without the shady music and reaction cut aways. Carson has really nice eyes though.

[–]oldpalomeheartTatianna 101ポイント102ポイント  (13子コメント)

Was there not previously some T from Phi² claiming that the 'this is fashion' comment referred to Detox's look and was edited to refer to Alyssa's? If so, doesn't this video disprove that?

[–]tedsmittsAdore Delano 80ポイント81ポイント  (6子コメント)

I came to say the same thing.

How delicious would it be if that's why they released the full critique? They've never done that before IIRC and it was pretty interesting to hear all the comments.

[–]oldpalomeheartTatianna 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

Honestly, this just has me waiting for an old school Reunion and a showdown between Phi² and producers!

[–]tedsmittsAdore Delano 57ポイント58ポイント  (3子コメント)

Honestly at this point it seems like it'd be PhiPhi vs. Ru, Michelle, the Producers, the other queens, and possibly the audience.

[–]robbysaur 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Y'all crazy. Tati, Roxxxy, and Ginger have all been with Phi Phi, yet y'all seem to think she is crazy, even though the only one that has stuck up for her outside the show is Coco.

EDIT: and I mean the only person that has stuck up for Alyssa has been Coco.

[–]tedsmittsAdore Delano 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Been with?" Girl spill that kaikai T

[–]queenbuttcheeks 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's exactly why they released this clip lol they never upload unedited critiques like this

[–]conifer22Alyssa Edwards 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad Logo had the receipts to expose Phi Phi.

[–]wire_loss 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

Didn't she claim at Roscoe's that Carson said "needed Ritalin to make sense of Alyssa's outfit"? This clip clearly proves he did not!

Anyone have the link to the Roscoe's audio link?

[–]TheMysteryMan122 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

He did say that, but it was about somebody else's outfit. it's in the original episode. Pretty sure it was about Ginger Minj

[–]Gamer10123Alaska Thunderfuck 5000 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, they meant that Phi Phi said they edited it to make it look like he was saying it about Ginger when really he said it to Alyssa. However, judging from this critique, he didn't say it to Alyssa at all... Way to be messy, Phi Phi.

[–]shortarms88 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here ya go!

[–]NevaJadeAlyssa Edwards 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's so strange

[–]regretflixKatya Zamolodchikova 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's so disconcerting listening to them talk without background music

[–]ffantasticmanTatianna 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

Stoled it? Did I hear him correctly? Stoled?

[–]JaneOstentatiousOo and GOOD MORNING 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

She done already done stoled herses.

[–]xtinaphileKatya Zamolodchikova 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow it's so weird to hear how they critique unedited!

[–]JacobMitonOfficialAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 57ポイント58ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah. You can tell Carson knows what he's doing, everything he says could be cut up and inserted into the show, and he's purposefully giving them tons of material.

He's even ending his sentences as if that was all he had to say, in case they only wanted to include a snippet.

[–]BottledApple 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like a soundbite marathon!

[–]constantcompromise 43ポイント44ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is so hilariously petty. I love it.

[–]BottledApple 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know! Logo is the Queeniest company EVER!

[–]HuishteKatya Zamolodchikova 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

LIke an old school pageant girl, ready to snatch ur wigs

[–]BottledApple 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes! She's like loosening your hems and throwing beads down all the way!

[–]TheRuralJuror1121 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Came to comment exactly this. Dying!

[–]LaskysLaughHail Seitan 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

I wonder if this was more about Jeremy Scott than Phi Phi. The show can edit all they want with things the queens say, but I doubt they have as much leeway with the guest judges, many of whom have business reputations to protect.

[–]yolaleah 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy shit. Have they ever released an unedited critique like this? This is obviously directed at Phi Phi. I don't think that's a conspiracy at all...this is very pointed!

[–]laularKatya Zamolodchikova 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like her tone.

[–]highwayuniTatianna 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can they release Adore's first episode critique now? :)

[–]mothahasarrivedAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yas this is so interesting seeing them get a full critique of a few judges.

Also people shit on Carson but I think he is a great judge and judging by this clip he's a very good person to have on the panel to give feedback to the queens.

[–]BottledApple 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is! I love him....he knows what he's talking about.

[–]RLelling 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

AAAAAAAAAA

[–]CLFOFPRBNSLIATY 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was expecting Latrice.

[–]RLelling 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh ye I see it now. I am sorry for deceiving you =(

[–]realisticlacefront 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it because Logo is loosing their ratings to Vh1 we are getting all this bonus content? either way I am loving it! you go logo!

[–]rehfux 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw the receipts and they were real.

[–]brobroreo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I forget that they just sitting in a studio talking to the queens with no catchy music in the background ...

[–]itsashleyjohnAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Three days ago I said Phi Phi was too bitter to have her T trusted right now and I got downvoted to the nether regions. You're welcome.

[–]nonailsnodragTatianna 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am glad they aired this. First of all Carson should get more screen time. His comments were great and I enjoyed them overall instead of just a snippet out of context. I also thought the other guy nailed Alyssa's look-it really was Flash Gordan meets Black Swan meets Kiss.

[–]buddy311 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know I am a superfan because I realized watching this thay if there were some kinda Drag Race all access pass I would watch every second they filmed.

[–]vulture_coutureplease Dawn, it's Christmas 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

when the girl u hate starts talking shit so you go back to the archives and pull the receipts. meesh is a messy bitch who lives for drama

[–]rusholmeruffianzRavioli 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

and in that moment, both Phi Phi and the producers were Detox

[–]drewdootexe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

CarsUm Kressley

[–]raymonst 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh wow, logo is not messing around...

[–]problematicrealnessKatya Zamolodchikova 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But the real question: where is the full critique of Adore by Michelle + Raven from the first episode?

[–]paperplatemaskAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never really realized how long the critiques actually take. I had always heard they they're up there for hours but I just kinda realized how intense it must actually be.

[–]Studio72Alyssa Edwards 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gurl, I need to get in this full critique gig. I cannot wait to see what Phi²'s gonna pull to escape this, gurl is drowned!

[–]_helloitsme_Alaska Thunderfuck 5000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now whats good u/MisterMikhael ? I know like a good minion you would show it to Phiphi... Logo just Kim Kardashian Phiphi's ass and I enjoyed every minute of it..

[–]18005467777Jesus is a Beesqweet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Side note: I LOVED Himalaya as a kid. That ride ruled and the airbrushed space viking realness art was everything

[–]BurritoChainsaw 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Boy, I was staring intently at this and now I see hexagons when I blink.

[–]iamliamamiKatya Zamolodchikova 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bye Phi bye

[–]corilee93 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh my god I clearly missed something can someone very quickly explain or just link me to what happened with Phi Phi

[–]baixiaolangTatianna/Phi Phi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

She said at Roscoe's last week that the "this is fashion" comment was actually do detox but edited to look like it was for alyssa, and that the 'ritalin' comment they gave to ginger was for alyssa.

[–]frozenmargaritasPhi Phi O'Hara 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would love them to release full critiques of everyone tbh. It was so interesting to see this mostly unedited and I'd love to see it for everyone.

[–]jojoko 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Carson uttered "um" twenty times in two minutes.

[–]JunoCarrionKatya Zamolodchikova 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's so awkward without the heavy editing.

[–]baixiaolangTatianna/Phi Phi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I love Phi Phi, and still love her even after this, but this don't look good for her.

[–]Sfqueenlover -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I got gooped ! I gave phi2 another shot because 365 days of drag but... Hmm wasnt bethoven like insane but his music so i mean ya know she just is really creative but doesnt work well around others i mean can i relate yeah i was abused as a child so i can feel the threat of other people like so I mean I relate with her and thats a side of myself id rather not see so its not that she is bad or whatever but think of wow as like the father or whatever and felling rejected so i mean... Idk lol

[–]JackBulletKatya Zamolodchikova 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was with you for like 15% of that...

[–]RodsBorgesAlaska Thunderfuck 5000 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

what the fuck is going on in here on this day?

[–]frozenmargaritasPhi Phi O'Hara -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look I'm not saying phiph is an angel cause she's clearly not that's why I lahv her, but there's no way this isn't also edited ever so slightly it's just very clever. They could still very well have delivered that Ritalin comment to Alyssa and a fashion comment to detox also it was a year ago so forgive her for not remembering the critiques verbatim. It's definitely interesting though I'd love to see more footage like this for all the queens! Honestly it speaks volumes for me that most of the queens from AS2 are friends with phi phi even a year later. It seems like Logo/WOW are just trying to discredit her cause she's come out against them. I hope she does cut ties with them honestly it hasn't done /u/noextrai any harm tbqh.

[–]NerdyDanAlyssa Edwards -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

HAHAHA take that PHI PHI PHO PHUM