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[R]eddiquetteIntroducing the /r/India Chatroom (self.india)

rahulthewallUttarakhand[M] が 投稿

This is a reddit-integrated chatroom that we're trying out called Carrot. Come by and say hello. It's available for iOS, Android, and Web. It works like this: http://i.imgur.com/1kZedzL.gif

We have tried in the past using other chat services like IRC and others but this service links directly to your Reddit account so no signup is necessary, you'll immediately be commenting as you would be on /r/india.

You can install the extension on Chrome or your Android device by following the link above. It will also be available on iOS when it leaves beta in the coming week, so more features will be available then, so if you see a kink it will likely be fixed very soon.

Thanks to /u/calbearia and /u/leharays and the others for providing this and showing us the ropes on how to use Carrot for /r/india.

If you have any questions on how to use it, go ahead and ask them below.

Link to chatroom: https://carrot.com/r/india

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[–]DogCockInTrump 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

link kahaan hai bc

[–]serialposter 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Time to bring back my A/S/L game.

[–]uthalerebabaMaharashtra 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

can one be banned?

[–]unrave 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

ban, shadowban, IP ban - everything is game.

[–]ion_ -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

**terms and conditions applies

[–]rreyvBihar 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

The chat widget on the bottom left can be made less intrusive and semi-transparent like on /r/cricket in case you wanted to go down that route. You don't even notice it after a day.

[–]rahulthewallUttarakhand[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

/r/cricket

Considering that I copied most of /u/smurf42's description anyway, I will copy your CSS as well. :)

[–]ymmajjet 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

How can I get the chrome extension?

[–]rahulthewallUttarakhand[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

When you go to https://carrot.com/r/india you should see a "Get Carrot" button on the top right corner.

[–]ymmajjet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had to manually download it. Something wrong with uBlock i guess.

[–]iVarun 16ポイント17ポイント  (16子コメント)

I don't see the point of this.

Chatrooms beyond a certain point(volume of users involved) are really not a nice platform to have a proper discussion. Its just chatting for the sake of chatting. Useless and time waste.

And for serious debate/event-reporting, etc, Reddit's Live threads are far better. Better quality control(since posters can be selected) and proper markup/media support.

[–]i_am_not_sam 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's meant to supplement the subreddit, not replace it. Our motivations are still geared towards the sub. We're not forcing people to participate there, just giving them an option for real time interaction. I can understand if people don't want to chat, that's their prerogative. FWIW the room has been tremendously popular so far. It could be early days but we want to wait and see. We're always looking at options to improve our subscribers' UX.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

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[–]iVarun 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Firstly a ridiculous False Equivalence fallacy about that whole BB/iPhone bit with my comment chains context on group chat platforms.

And secondly i already mentioned what happened to IRC and the why as well.

Group chat is fundamentally flawed platform and it scales horribly. This has less to do with technical matters and more to do with the nature of it.

Having 10,000 people in the same room is never going to work.

Having <1000 is redundant. 4000 total is in that ball park, its a new platform so it will grow but the premise remains the same. Sub sections which are larger will never work on group chat platform, Carrot or otherwise, extensions or otherwise.

As the other guy here said, this whole comment exchange i am having isn't possible on group chat.

Which is why i said, Group chats is a niche service, it serves a gross insignificant minority of people who find it worth using.

Its not a platform which lends itself to serious discussion, knowledge worthy verbose content, proper and rich multimedia support and effective source quality control.

Internet has changed, using proper Equivalence (using your example) You are the BB here not the iPhone or the Apple.
Group chat is not a platform which will ever go mainstream, it will survive and always have a niche but it will never be mainstream because of its structural issue.

Wish you all the best in your service. But my original comment was on point and explicit enough.

Group chats are pointless at the end of the day.

[–]parlor_tricks 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ivarun, rescuing us from the yoke of ignorance.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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[–]iVarun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another false equivalence.

Just today report came that Slack has 3 million users.
Are those 3 million all in 1 room?

The only one who can be accused of being pontificating here is you because your comments lacks coherence, mine are totally within context of what was said originally.

Meaning, Scale was mentioned. Quality control was mentioned.

Slack has these. They don't have just about anybody. They don't have group chat rooms with 10,000 people.

And having a few 100 is not even that significant as explained in another comment, the 1-9-90 principle ensures that smaller the scale, the better the group chap will be. But as scale expands the same principle ensures chaos.

I already said, Wishing you all the best in your service.
The reason i hunkered down in my comments to you were because you were acting like arrogantly despite being the one who is linked with the service(calling me a shill hypocritically no less).
You are the one who is dogmatic in their views.

The other 2 guys linked with the service seem much more responsible and professional.
You not so much hence my comments to you not backing down on my position.

This will be last comment. Good day. I hope for your partners and service's sake you get your act sorted out before it catches up with you.

[–]freestyle112 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

A few months ago I started a telegram group which at the time was meant for r/India users but it got stagnant really quick, so now I made it a general group for Indians who are active on Reddit to discuss just about anything. Ever since I made it a more general group has it been really helpful to users, and as such the group has grown with regular discussions on events, news, entertainment and with over 300 people (and 100 active users).

If still going strong, everyday about 2k texts are being engaged, yet it's not too fast and people are enjoying it. But then again this is from when I made it to a general group where people active on other subreddits have joined. So in that sense I dont think Carrot would work out that well. But lets see.

Btw there are a lot of people who chat for the sake of chatting yet benefit from it so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]iVarun -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its about scale dynamics.

300 is not that big and simple statistics means not everyone of those 300 will be active at the same time in such chat groups (telegram/whatsapp/wechat, etc).

Meaning content is digestible to an extent because a variation of the 1-9-90 rule is in play.
The content creators are a minority and the majority are the readers/consumers.

But when the creators due to scale issues are in the 1000's and 10,000's and so, Overload is a simple and natural consequence and the chatting platform is not suitable to accommodate this development because of the inherent limitation of the platform.

As an example, a simple informative comment will get drowned out by 1000's of others, even when the 1-9-90 rule is still in effect.

Its just simply design issues with group chat on account of scaling that is the problem.

Carrot actually being divided up among subs is better because reddit is already big and broken up into niche sectors which already have their own unique sub-cultures. It would not work if it tried to combine(make it more accessible/cross sectional) like you did.

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

ye hui na baat bunty

[–]knovaa 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

I do not want to see the chatroom orange circle when I browse r/india. How do I disable or get rid of it?

[–]rahulthewallUttarakhand[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Updated, thanks to /u/knovaa's tip.

[–]NaeblisEcho 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Carrot - Can read and change the data on all websites you visit.

Thanks but No thanks guys. :(

You could try to set up #india on an existing IRC network (Freenode, OFTC etc). IRCCloud is a great app/website for that. Of if you want a smoother experience, create a Slack. But I'd rather not use a chrome extension that is this flagrant about violating my privacy.

[–]_dexterGujarat 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't need to install the Chrome extension to join Carrot

[–]imnoidiot5Antarctica 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

you were right, son

[–]NaeblisEcho 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol. What happened?

[–]imnoidiot5Antarctica 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Check subredditdrama

[–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

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[–]unrave 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We have no interest in your data, to be completely honest

That doesn't sound too comforting.

[–]RonDunEUttarakhand 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I agree with you. There's no way I'm joining a random chatroom on Chrome. There's way too much private session data. I would consider if it was using OAuth2 and getting one time permissions, but blanket authorization? No way.

This is just a more straightforward version of Robin.

[–]_dexterGujarat 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would consider if it was using OAuth2 and getting one time permissions

Use the web app instead of Chrome extension and this is what happens.

[–]unrave 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

OK, a couple of questions to the mods

Is this a permanent feature ? If not, will the opinions of the users of the sub will be taken into account before making it permanent?

What are the rules of cross moderation between the sub and the chat? Will the users banned on /r/india will be allowed to participate in the chat? Does a ban in the chat automatically result in a ban in the sub?

BTW, one of the developers of carrot has threatened that she will be able to institute a IP based ban on the chat. I do not know if that is actually possible, but if you are serious about your privacy, you should probably participate in the chat using an alt account

[–]_dexterGujarat[M] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The feature is under trial. We ALWAYS take opinions into account but outcomes might differ.

We're deliberating on the other questions. In the meanwhile, it is advisable to use your common sense. :)

[–]whatiftheygetme 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

10/10 would chat about random illegal stuff with strangers again. (Chat is gut).

[–]iWizardBNorth America -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why does the extension need permission to "Read and change all data on all websites"..?? Extensions can ask for permission filtered by domain, right? Since this is for reddit, it should ask for reddit.com (and its variations) permissions.

[–]agentbigmanIndia -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

How to get rid of the carrot chat icon whenever i open R/India?

[–]rahulthewallUttarakhand[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Updated, thanks to /u/knovaa's tip.

[–]RonDunEUttarakhand 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you have an adblocker? Like ublock origin or adblock plus or ghostery? If so, then you can simply right click on the icon and block it, like so: http://i.imgur.com/kjXC2mP.png

[–]agentbigmanIndia 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I tried but it keeps coming back

[–]agentbigmanIndia -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How to get rid of the carrot chat icon whenever i open R/India?

[–]Devam13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you get rid of the chat icon in the CSS after a few days? It looks ugly and not in place.