Sony totally missing the point. Graphics bring people to PC. Everything else makes them stay.

BallShapedMan · 7時間前

You missed Genres that aren't on console or are hardly there, that's a big one for me. I would like a new Madden game on PC though.

MairusuPawa · 7時間前

Sony. Learn from the […] XBOX 360.

This is exactly what they did. They saw that Microsoft got away with Xbox Live subscriptions, so they did the same.

azriel777 · 7時間前

I said it before, but sony could jump in and make a profit on the PC bandwagon. When they support a game, they could offer more money for them to port to PC, but in exchange, sony gets a bit of the profits. That would be a win for everyone. I don't think sony's streaming service will take off, too many people have bad internet connections and the amount they charge is too high.

IIIMilkman_DanIII · 6時間前

For me it's ease of use. I can use 2 or more screens, browse the web simultaneously, listen to music, mod, etc.

The fact I can play games on a system that I can do everything else with keeps me a PC player.

Nice graphics and a keyboard & mouse is a big plus, as well as a broader choice of game categories to play.

Tarics_Boyfriend · 8時間前

I dont know if cheaper in the long run is what you mean but Consoles don't have anything close to steam pricing.

I last used a console in 2009 and I remember Halo 3 was still priced at £40. (What it retailed at in the UK when it released)

How can anybody who uses steam go back to that?

totallywontstabyou · 5時間前

Out of curiosity, what makes the audio on PC vastly better?

NewTypeRapist · 3時間前

I'll jerk someone off if they jerk me off.

skusmet · 5時間前

Do we really need another list stating why PC is > Console?

sunxnes · 2時間前

PC has backwards compatibility

Etnos · 2時間前

Actually couldn't care less about Graphics myself, is about the genres and the types of games you can ONLY play in a computer

Prison Architect, Rimworld, Blizzard titles, Mmorpgs, City Builders, etc... etc...

DoctorKlopek · 7時間前

The big thing that made me stay was being able to consistently use mouse and keyboard for FPS and RTS games. Using a controller with those games feels like being in a pie eating contest where you have to stick your face in the pie and gobble instead of using your hands and utensils.

RVallant · 8時間前

The other things that drove me away from consoles was:

Advertisements on the 'homepage' for XBox 360 and now for the PS4, either in flat out adverts or in terms of unremovable apps/app 'download' buttons.
I can't access some features if the PSN drops, Netflix in particular, I know there's some workarounds but it didn't work for me the other day cos PSN shat the bed again.
A shift to online distribution with small Hard Drives and exorbitant game prices. This is mostly the PS4 tbh, I see games going for £60-100, when Amazon is selling the same thing for £20, and the PC sellers are selling it for £5. Why would I kill my bank balance for this?

Eh that's why I shifted, (and because of the missus) but there we are.

tacitus59 · 7時間前

Exactly, not really enamored with graphics. I come from a pcmasterrace background but ended up inadvertently getting 360 and PS3 and I enjoy kicking back and playing them. Other things bother me about consoles - but graphics generally isn't the main thing.

One of my disappointments with Sony (or really Sony/Valve) is nothing interesting happened with their arrangement after Portal-2. I certainly did not expect a full blown steam store, but something ... not sure what but something.

digmachine · 4時間前

lol what a bizarre and out-of-touch rant. Calling SquareEnix "Mr. Graphics McGraphics?" lolwut?

zakkaz · 2時間前

I'd also add the possibility of playing most games with a 144hz refresh rate while most console games are still stuck at 30hz, along with the fact you can use a G-Sync monitor and all its benefits.

Milestailsprowe · 5時間前

The lack of need for backwards compatibility is a huge one for me

renzollo · 3時間前

Honestly, from my perspective as a PC gamer for two decades?

Mouse and keyboard
60 fps

Done

xWeez · 2時間前

If graphics meant nothing, people wouldn't clamber to get the newest graphics cards as soon as they release. Unless you're just pointing out Consoles' idiocy in going for 4k over 1080p/60fps.

You do have a great point that console ease of use is going down the shitter. Sony/Microsoft are allowing games to be published that are full of bugs and need massive day 1 patches, then consecutive patches just to have a stable game. Microsoft even published the completely broken multiplayer of the Master Chief Collection to their console.

Console OS's have become increasingly slow as well. Every week there's an upvoted thread complaining about it. While PC OS is as fast as can be in juxtaposition.

Consoles have also moved to digital games, without bringing the sales that should go along with them. This may finally be changing, but they're still nowhere near where PC game sales are.

Angler_619 · 1時間前

Great post.

It's literally the reason why I am considering going for Nintendos NX this time around. Nintendo likes to keep everything in house and doesn't always go for the best graphics, but they do focus on gameplay and fun factor.

Remember before gamespot and other websites were around. There was a magazine called Gamepro that was literally the magazine to own for any news on upcoming games. It was thick.

There used to be one category or rating called... FUN FACTOR. Now that has been renamed on many sites to show as "replay-ability".

What ever happened to games just being fun? I think Nintendo has stayed true to that formula. The SNES and N64 put out classics that had so much depth that gamers of today are in awe at the amount of "features" the games come with. Micro transactions are everywhere and people forgot what Full games feel like anymore. You know, that complete game where everything is so well polished.

I feel like Sony and Microsoft went for the glitz and glamour during the PS3 and Xbox 360 era. The ps2 and Xbox were excellent. Games like God of War knew how to take advantage of screen space (lock screen with dynamic camera angles) and keep the games fun.

The PS3 Xbox 360 era was disappointing. Glitches, errors, rings of death, blue screens, cd tray jams etc...it was enough to make you go crazy. Another thing was...TERRIBLE LAUNCH titles. Remember Xbox 360 launch title perfect dark? Yeah. All visuals and the aiming couldn't even compare to Goldeneye on N64, which is a shame considering Halo had just come out on the Xbox a gen before that.

Gameplay is coming back. PC has the best of both worlds. As for console, Nintendo is where I will be investing. I think they've had enough time in the shadows watching Sony and Microsoft fight over who looks better. Nintendo patiently tried new ideas like motion gaming and stylus usage. Some worked some didn't. I think they're going to get back to basics and act like the real console they used to be known for being, and not some gimmicky mad scientist.

Mario party, smash brothers, Zelda and Pokemon still make a lot of noise. With more and more devs realizing that graphics aren't everything (as you pointed out in minecraft success), more devs may be willing to develop games for the Nintendo console even if it's graphics are sub par when compared to the rest.

Ancillas · 1時間前

For what it's worth, local multiplayer becomes a lot less significant somewhere around age 25.

When people start moving for work, having kids, and generally becoming busier, it becomes too hard to get people in one place for anything but a party game like Rockband.

The market is really younger gamers who are still in school. Those gamers have less money, and are financially a smaller part of the market. This is why local play is so frequently cut. It won't convince enough people that weren't going to purchase to change and decide to buy compared to the cost of building and testing the feature.

It's a decision that many people don't like, but it is a sound business move. It also opens the door for indies to fill this niche with quality games that cater to people who want this feature.

Shangheli · 7時間前

Nintendo are the only ones that make consoles. Ever since the Xbox, consoles have been shit PCs, It was a clever business move by Microsoft as games like Crash bandicoot and final fantasy had no future with a grown up audience (even the kids playing grown up games).

Consoles will have the place as a plug and play pc for someone that doesn't have the time or want to give the time. Thats it.

10albersa · 5時間前

The graphics were a nice perk, but for me it was absolutely the free online play. I had a PS3 before I had a PC, and that was because it was free to play online. Once the new generation was announced and that the online would cost $50 a year, I was sold. I hate subscription services, and would gladly pay more upfront for a cheaper experience down the road.

dukenukhem · 6時間前

cheaper games brought me to pc. I never see a game on sale at GameStop but they sure as hell are on steam summer sales

anariongr · 6時間前

I agree. They made consoles expensive confusing and upgradable just like PC which means they dream a future where you have to buy a newer stronger console every 2 years or so. MS said this and Sony described it. I don't believe them when they say they do not plan a newer PS4 soon. They did once they will do it again. Next year MS will out a console stronger than the PS4 Pro which means Sony will get some ideas to compete them with an even stronger later and so on. PC's are more expensive the day you buy them but they last more years. You can play with a gamepad connected too. And it's overall a better platform for work, multimedia and gaming. Now they consoles trying to be a PC just closed and worse on everything than an actual PC maybe it's time for some people to try build a gaming PC by their own. You don't need to spend a fortune there are lots of videos and websites which can tell you how you can build a strong PC without breaking the bank and what parts to choose. One is certain it will last longer than a console.

bthezebra · 5時間前

I am about to build my first PC, very excited by the way, but you made me curious ...How is the audio vastly better than consoles? Is this by using a special sound card or something? I genuinely want to know because I definitely appreciate good lossless sound, which I currently achieve on consoles with my receiver.

-Dark_Link- · 5時間前

so at this point both consoles will have the ability to play in 4K? Who even cares about that? As a PC gamer I understand there's some of us with pretty deep pockets and while I myself built a $2000 gaming PC 2 years ago, I wasn't about to also buy a ridiculously expensive 4K monitor to go with that, I opted for a reasonably priced high refresh rate monitor. However if I played on console, I'd more than likely do it on a TV, and if I'm not mistaken one of the draws of consoles is that there isn't such a high initial investment, (granted you don't need to spend anywhere near my budget for a DECENT build) which is negated if you have to buy a $300 console, but also a $500 TV to take advantage of its graphical capabilities. Anyway what I'm saying is, nor my TV or My monitor are 4K, just give me 1080p and 144hz and I'm good. Nothing will ever turn me back to console gaming from PC, especially not graphics, but both Microsoft and Sony creating their own offering to the PC ecosystem is a definitely a step in the right direction (Play Anywhere & Playstation Now).

Dresden89 · 4時間前

Sony is just saying that they made the pro to compete with PC because they want to look better than M$ and they know they aren't competing against PC really. They make PC gamers look at them nicely because they just admitted that PC is powerful, boosting PC games ego and also making M$ look bad by saying they aren't worried about it.

the_new_guy15 · 4時間前

It's so funny he would say this around the same time Sony said they wouldn't accommodate Fallout and Skyrim mods.

They don't really care about the PC, frankly I still believe they are releasing this in case VR takes off, as their current offerings are not VR ready.

opticon · 3時間前

What's funny to me is that there is a healthy resugence of interest in pixel or vector based, low-demand type platformers and other classic genres that don't require powerhouse PCs at all. Console developers are still chasing the CoD/Destiny type casual gamer crowd with big-budget AAA monstrosities that all end up disasters or lackluster samey clones. Meanwhile smaller developers are plugging away making creative IPs primarily found only on PC...

hippymule · 3時間前

My god I miss local multiplayer. Partial reason I became a game developer. Hell, even co-op is drying up. Graphics are never the reason gamers "game". Playing and interacting is the reason gamers "game". For some weird reason, we are more connected than ever, and yet new consoles keep pushing people apart. I can't afford paying for online while in college, so all I can do is sit in a damn party with my thumb up my ass. The PS3 was something special, and Sony dropped the ball with PS4. This generation of games is truely disappointing.

bongo1138 · 3時間前

What do they have to learn? Their console is selling at incredible rates.

ValdemarSt · 3時間前

Also: You can literally play the same game on different machines for decades.

Stamp2 · 2時間前

The most important thing about PCs is being able to play games at their best, but also being able to do other things than play games. You can send emails, watch Netflix, use word processors for your homework and Wikipedia, create content with Adobe software, emulate old consoles to play your older games, and much more.

Consoles are only to play games. They do that well enough.

yonkerbonk · 2時間前

The thing I really like is I know the game I bought 5 years ago, I can still play. Silent Hill? Only if you still have your PS1. Or you can play on your PC :)

Spysix · 13分前

Mr. Graphics McGraphics, aka SquareEnix, is going slowly under

Didn't know that, that explains why they're pushing so hard to squeeze as many dollars as they can out of Mankind Divided.

Your definitely right, the ease of use is gone which would eventually happen the more sophisticated a system you create. We're not dealing with simple consoles like the N64 where you plug and play. We demand more out of these consoles now that introduce problems you didn't have in the simple consoles way back when.

wii could be something really great as I thought nintendo was the only one I thought that was still trying to keep alive "4 player party in a room" type of games but instead we get weaker specs and apathy for creativity.

Edgyhandle · 8分前

It's to keep surface level interest away from PC and onto the PS4 Pro. We all know that, as PC gamers that our rigs get used for more than just gaming. More to the point they shot themselves in foot and kept one of the biggest differences alive and well. Frame rate. The difference between 4k and 1080p, HDR and SDR is nothing compared to the the difference between 60fps and 30fps. A game is almost always going to be better if it's uglier and at 60, than prettier at 30.

aheadwarp9 · 7分前

I have not bought a single Xbox or Playstation console in my life... and my last game console of any brand is the Nintendo Wii. This just illustrates exactly why I've always stuck to PC gaming for nearly everything but Zelda (and sometimes Mario). At least Nintendo has done some different, innovative things with their consoles in addition to the great quality of their famous franchises... And then there is also this! The motion controls on the Wii (as controversial as they have been on occasion) added something different and unique to the gameplay experience, whereas I can plug an Xbox controller or Kinect into my PC and play almost all the same games with better graphic settings than I could on an actual Xbox or Playstation (though I honestly haven't messed with Kinect). Even the recently released VR stuff is supposedly better on the PC, so I see no advantage whatsoever in buying into any of the latest consoles.

fraggz99 · 9時間前

All I want is ps4 games on pc in one way or another, Id pay £60 for a ps4 game on pc no questions asked.

johnibizu · 2時間前

Solely playing on PC these days but as long as there are exclusives people want to play that are not on PC as well as non-exclusives that are on both, consoles are hear to stay.

I don't think we need circlejerk posts to remind everyone what they already know about the advantages of PC to consoles.

And lastly

Cheaper in the long run

Not exactly, maybe half-true. Console life is 5 years on average. TV to PC monitor is almost the same price so we exclude that. If you buy a console these days, you will have one free controller and one free game. Average console price is $400. For you to have a $400 PC with OS, one game and peripherals, that PC will only last you 2-3 years on the same graphic quality as a console. So after that third year, your PC will be shit while consoles can still play with the same graphic quality they have the first year they bought their console. After the next console refresh(fifth year), it is almost mandatory to buy a new GPU to have the same graphic quality compared to a console. So you have to spend at least $150 while the console players will need to spend another $400. However, that $400 comes with a free game so your saving is likely just 400 - (150 + 60) = $190. $190 if the part you only need to replace or add is the GPU. However the last gen consoles were almost 10 years old before they got replaced. If that happens with the PS4, it will be more expensive in the long run. However I don't know how you can build a $400 1080p 30fps complete computer including OS, keyboard, speaker and mouse that will last 5 years. Maybe if you buy 2nd hand but that's a little bit cheating for this comparison.

The only way that statement to be "completely true" is if you include "membership/payment" fees.

MountCydonia · 1時間前

Why would you submit this circlejerk post here? I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but cringe reading this. We all know PCs are better than consoles most of the time in this subreddit, do we really need a circlejerk about it every time Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo do/say something?

DHSean · 6時間前

Sony has a lot more to lose than MS Does.

MS Is changing to go with the PC. They are bringing out games on PC and doing things like DX12. And listening to feedback on everything from the store to the games graphics options.

If consoles die tomorrow, MS will be fine because they are at the forefront of PC Development and securing their place making sure Linux doesn't take over.

Not only that but they are actually bringing out a machine that packs some decent power. It might not do 4k60fps but optimized it could do 30 (With some magic to maybe get it to 60).

Made_While_Shitting · 5時間前

You say all this with no data or figures to support your claim. Hard to take you seriously.

RandyNinja · 6時間前

The thing is over 4 years with the ps4 and ps4 pro if you was to buy both and pay for the plus service it would work out around the same cost as it would if you just invest in a pc. The difference is the cost of games so it works out cheaper to be a pc gamer.

Trankman · 4時間前

Forced updates? When?

PyrZern · 4時間前

What happened to FO4 Modding on PS4 ??

phrawst125 · 4時間前

MS is clearly recognizing this hence play anywhere and mod support . Sony is just going full retard.

keanex · 4時間前

The biggest thing that attracts me to PC is MMORPGs. I don't play them much anymore, but a console will never do MMORPGs like a PC.

The other big thing for me is that I can play damn near every PC game ever released on my single PC.

slothzen · 4時間前

I think this is more about not losing customers than getting new ones.

oristomp · 3時間前

My main reason is that I don't want to support exclusivity. They make games exclusive to one platform to entice you to purchase the console, this isn't fair to those who cannot afford to buy multiple consoles or lack the space for it, they may well never get to experience some games because of this.

zerogee616 · 3時間前

What brings a lot of people to PC is that most people have one already. All a lot of people need to do is just beef up the one they have a bit.

Mightymushroom1 · 3時間前

At this point all Sony really has left going for them is a couple of exclusive franchises and their Japanese market and games. And even that is beginning to see a shift to PC too as more of these games are seeing PC releases.

Gemmellness · 3時間前

The thing is lots of people do buy consoles for graphics. When this gen came out I saw some idiots in a GAME comparing FIFA and FORZA on the two consoles for the slightest difference in graphics

wickedsteve · 3時間前

You build something personal and badass

Even my broke ass can be proud of a budget build. I can only imagine the feeling with high end systems. If people like crafting in a game they should love it in real world.

g_squidman · 3時間前

There's nothing for four peeps on a sofa anymore!

Yutah · 2時間前

As a married man I must say local coop is a number 1 feature why I am still keep consoles in my house, of course exclusives is a number two.

Here is an example. I never touch Diablo 3 on PC. Its a dumb, cartoony, ass on the chair, hands on the table, face in the monitor, boring mouse clicker. But on console, with local 4 player coop, on the sofa, in front of big TV, plug and play, direct control... f&^ing AMAZING. That's makes consoles great. And Sony missing the point completely.

MajorDonkey · 2時間前

Reverse compatibility! A standard for PC games, a "Feature" for console systems.

Still rocking games I purchased over a decade ago by just downloading free emulators.

thisisalanb · 2時間前

What brought me to PC gaming personally is I was already very tech savvy and interested in building my first PC anyway. That and my consoles were collecting dust since at the time, I didn't have a TV in my room (only in one of the family rooms) and those were typically being used anyway.

TLDR: I switched more for convenience, although I'm probably in the minority.

SupaStaVince · 2時間前

Graphics aren't always relevant. I hear "I don't care about graphics, just gameplay" a lot for whatever reason, usually to justify playing on console which doesn't even need to be justified, but since they do it anyway they are playing on it for the wrong reasons.

If you don't care for graphics or if you do, you should play on PC regardless. On console, you fork out 400 to 500 usd roughly for a box that's been tailored and you're stuck with what's given to you, including the graphics you claim to not care for in the first place. On PC, you could pay less than half a console and run the game at whatever setting you choose (high or low) and assuming you truly don't care for graphics, you will set it to low, aim for 60, and call it good as well as getting the "everything else" that keeps people from going back. Quality of life things and improvements from FoV, mods, personal tweaks, etc.

For me personally, I would still get a console for exclusives. Yet I don't go anywhere near them because once you go 90+ FoV, you don't go back EVER. Unless you don't mind looking through what's practically a zoomed in camera on a smart phone.

MumrikDK · 2時間前

What brought me to PC was that we already had a family PC.

Graphics, convenience, flexibility etc. made me not want to leave.

Sandwich247 · 2時間前

Halo CE is still absolutely amazing. Bigass, hugeass, coldsnap. All great.

tadL · 2時間前

Pc gaming has a make consoles great again thread Oo.

TheFunDip · 2時間前

They didn't have Roller Coaster Tycoon or The Sims (at the time) for any of the consoles so I decided that getting a computer would be the better choice.

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