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[Post Match Thread] Manchester Utd vs Manchester City (self.reddevils)

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FT: Manchester United 1 - 2 Manchester City

Kevin De Bruyne 0 - 1

Kelechi Iheanacho 0 - 2

Zlatan Ibrahimovic 1 - 2

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Next Match: Thursday away to Feyenoord at 6PM BST.

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[–]TMilloMartial 312ポイント313ポイント  (22子コメント)

First half we were abysmal. Second half was a great game of football. Overall, I think they deserved the win but damn would I have loved a point from that Rashford goal

What a game though. Shame we got out of the blocks so slow. Revenge will be had.

[–]Dray1397Rashford 67ポイント68ポイント  (10子コメント)

I literally yelled and woke my brother up when Rashfords went in. And then -____-

[–]awkward_person_here 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

I woke up my wife... We are still fighting about that :(

[–]tigehMata / 21 Herrera 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

I woke the ward from my hospital bed. Oops.

Had to watch the rest of the game on my phone, 'in the loo'.

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    [–]aKNIGHT7 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We seemed to have played a more attacking formation too with. 433 with Herrera playing the holding midfield position

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      [–]RyanSorsbyFalcao 536ポイント537ポイント  (30子コメント)

      Rashford needs to start.

      [–]wallpaper_01Giggs 124ポイント125ポイント  (14子コメント)

      Yeah, he didn't get many chances really but I'd start him over lingard all day long

      [–]BobTheBanterBlind 61ポイント62ポイント  (5子コメント)

      He had more impact on the game in 5 mins that Lingard did an entire half. It was fuckin ridiculous that Lingard started over Rashford, a player who has not played in over 4 weeks versus a player who has been on fire and scored a hattrick... I fully believe that with Rashford starting we would not have been so dire the first 40 mins

      [–]stevew14 39ポイント40ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I don't wanna jump on the Lingard hate wagon, but he just had an awful game. He struggled to control the ball a few times even. I just think he had a very bad day. Having said that, I would be starting Rashford over him too. Miki also had a very bad game today too.

      [–]DropItLikeItsHotBear 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Selection error. Hasn't played and then throw him into the derby?

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        [–]HawaiianFudgeSchweinsteiger 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        lingard started the game shockingly bad

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          [–]patrickk719Martial 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

          He'll probably start the game against Feyenoord on Thursday

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            [–]ideniedyou28Jonny Evans 158ポイント159ポイント  (5子コメント)

            The positive that I'm taking from this game is that I forgot how much I fucking love Herrera

            [–]unitedicecreampizza 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

            He was a warrior out there today, loved it, looking forward to seeing more of him.

            [–]Bilal_7_KhanSeaGullsOfMedia 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That's sometimes what you need in a team, pure passion!

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              [–]alexHunterGod 132ポイント133ポイント  (12子コメント)

              Pogba, Micky and Lingard have to hit the training hard

              [–]unitedicecreampizza 47ポイント48ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Pogba did some good things but I think his fitness needs to improve, Micki lost the ball a bit too easily and as for Lingard I really have nothing to say, except that if we had played with 10 men without him it might have been better.

              [–]TAMM0DI 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Rooney shouting at Mkhi to chase players down was frustrating. Rooney and Ibra were closing down far faster than him.

              [–]TaeTaeDSDiMarzio 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Thought it was quite clear he wasn't fully fit from his injury.

              [–]TAMM0DI 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

              If he can't close somebody down because of fitness that early on in the game he shouldn't be on the pitch.

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                [–]nachopartyHerrera 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Pogz definitely looked gassed second half.

                [–]vnvdarkangel 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Micky & Lingaard yes, Pogba not so much. He wasn't brilliant, but he wasn't the worst.

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                  [–]kaariainenSmalling 611ポイント612ポイント  (53子コメント)

                  Regardless of the result today, i haven't felt like this watching United in ages, my heart was racing for the whole match, wonderfully entertaining.

                  Early days still, we will challenge for the title this season!

                  [–]Jesus_is_my_flyhalf 240ポイント241ポイント  (26子コメント)

                  Loads were saying last year they would rather see exciting losses than 0-0 draws, I think today proved that a bit. Was absolutely tied to the screen.

                  [–]kaariainenSmalling 54ポイント55ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Agree on that, but i guess it factors in a bit that there were positives too, last season not so much.

                  [–]TheJoshider10De Gea 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It was crazy how different I felt watching this game. We conceded yet it didn't bother me, in the exact same way I used to feel under Fergie. For the whole game from start to finish I thought we had a chance. The game is over and we lost and yet i'm looking forward to the next game already, instead of under Moyes or LVG where i'd get pissed off for the rest of the day and lose excitement for watching the team play.

                  I've really missed feeling excited about watching United play and feeling hopeful if we perform bad that we can turn it around. Win, lose or draw this sort of attitude and intent is so good to see as a fan and if we can iron out the issues, we'll be fine. The only reason we didn't get anything from this game is entirely our own fault.

                  This is also one of the only games I would have felt like I got my money's worth after a loss. The tactical battle in the second half was one of the best I've ever seen and this will be one of the best games of the season.

                  [–]pkkthetigerr 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Id rather a draw than a loss to city.

                  [–]Naijaboy17Pogba 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Same have absolutely no interest in losing to those fucks. Idc if it's 10-9.

                  [–]StampedByGerrardVidic 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  We can all say that here but when we need points at the end of the year, i'll take the worst draws of all time

                  [–]Kiddcohen39Bailly 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Eh, still a hard pass on that sentiment from me. The game was brilliant to watch, sure. But there's no doubt in my mind id rather suffer through 90' of boring football then drop 3 points against City.

                  [–]svtomHerrera 32ポイント33ポイント  (9子コメント)

                  Not a loss to fucking city though :(

                  [–]PX44 48ポイント49ポイント  (8子コメント)

                  Rather lose to them than Bournemouth and Norwich.

                  I know, I know, the history, but today was not a bad game to lose, where the result could have gone either way and the play on show was amazing. Our November/December last season was awful play and embarrassing frankly.

                  [–]a_berdeen 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Yep all the other top 6 competitors leave this game thinking United are not going to be an easy club to beat. City had to play their hearts out today.

                  [–]unitedicecreampizza 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  And Clattenberg had to swallow the whistle at least twice.

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                      [–]coken89Rooney 69ポイント70ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      All match? Felt disgusted first 30 mins. Was very entertaining after that but God that first 30 mins.... We deserve the loss. Take this loss on the chin and hopefully learn something from it. Mkhitaryan will need a lot of improvement and Lingard didn't even look like a Manchester United player. Fingers crossed they improve. On a happier note Herrera was amazing and Rashford pushed their defence in the early part of the second half.

                      [–]BallsX 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      I was fully expecting another 6-1 after the second went in. In fact, even before that it seemed like we were well and truly behind in everything. If only we started the game with a little more intensity..

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                        [–]W0NDERB0Y 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I agree with your sentiment. It was entertaining and we played well for 60 minutes but the first 30 sealed it for us.

                        [–]0100110101001000Blind 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Absolute brilliant match not considering the result. I'm glad we picked it up in the second half and my heart was racing the last 45'!

                        [–]manutd875 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Yep, I was thinking the same thing. It's been so long since I've screamed the whole match.

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                          [–]HairyArthurManchester United 410ポイント411ポイント  (30子コメント)

                          Result aside, you'll struggle to see a better match than that this season. Amazing.

                          [–]fakewars 57ポイント58ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Arsenal vs Liverpool.

                          [–]essjay2009Mourinho 73ポイント74ポイント  (18子コメント)

                          I think we played better today in the second half than at any point last season, win or lose. It was City abandoning their philosophy and parking the bus and us throwing it all at them. A proper game of two halves with end to end stuff and other cliches.

                          If cuntenberg wasn't such a cunt, we would have had a penalty and Bravo would have been off as well. We didn't deserve to lose.

                          It will be interesting to see whether popular opinion turns against Pep if he continues to be so negative and encourage time wasting in the 50th minute.

                          [–]TheJoshider10De Gea 91ポイント92ポイント  (9子コメント)

                          We didn't deserve to lose.

                          Well we did. Their two goals were fucking shocking in terms of our defence, so many amateur mistakes involved here, and it could have been worse. Our attack was also quite shit at finishing chances, especially Zlatan who missed essentially an open goal and then 3 or 4 other chances easier than the one he bloody scored.

                          On another day we may have got a draw or a win but the result was incredibly fair. They got the goals from our own errors and defensively stopped us from scoring.

                          [–]mchughoDe Gea 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

                          Should've had a penalty from the keeper going into Rooney with studs though. I think a fair result would've been a draw, if it wasn't for Twattenburg.

                          [–]rahgaelZlatan 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          We were also lucky to have de bruyne shot not going in. In high stake matches like this its unlikey referee will give a penalty.

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                            [–]aKNIGHT7 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            We forced them to abandon their philosophy by playing a more attacking formation. It certainly worked

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                              [–]RogerFedererFTWValdes(and Falcao) 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              We will see at least one better, when we smash them 5-0 at Etihad

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                                [–]nerdie 256ポイント257ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                you know it's a new Man Utd when you enjoyed the match even though we lost

                                [–]catfayceCole 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                100% agree. The game broke through my hangover. So exciting

                                [–]BlemKraLThe Best 246ポイント247ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                Nolito looks like an illegitimate child between aguero and Costa

                                [–]SoFuLLEricTheKing 50ポイント51ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Or if Jesus Navas suddenly went through puberty

                                [–]peduxeAnder Free Herrera Agüera 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                and his walking pose lol, looks he's rubbing his hands about to commit some trickery.

                                [–]Des_EagleJanuzaj 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                He's the Jordi Alba of City. Constantly diving, complaining, extremely dirty. One of those few players you almost wouldn't mind seeing snapped in half.

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                                  [–]Lord_SauronMourinho > Moyes > Giggs > LVG 43ポイント44ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                  What the hell happened with Lingard and Mkhi? Lingard especially looked shocking out there.

                                  [–]silkie_blondoKing Dave 123ポイント124ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                  Rooney and Valencia were probably our best players out there today.

                                  Herrera and Rashford absolutely made a difference when they came on. Unlucky to not score more but so were city. I think the better team won unfortunately.

                                  [–]dilapidatedsparrow 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Rashford should be starting games. We could all see it, he's fearless and in form - don't understand playing a half-fit Lingard over him. Herrera might have just played his way into a starting spot in midfield after his cameo today.

                                  [–]Jacobtait[🍰] 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Was a joy to watch herrera play. when he's hungry and on fire he is immense!

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                                      [–]AspectsDruidCarrick 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Fellaini was outstanding again today. If only we'd played at the higher tempo (that we had in the second half) from the start...

                                      [–]samstevens6268LVG 214ポイント215ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                      pogba needs to learn when to fuck around and when to pass the fucking ball

                                      [–]WildBuffalo 93ポイント94ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                      I just don't think he's fit. He looked knackered in that second half, he was trying to make things happen but he was exhausted. Lack of pre-season will do that to you I guess.

                                      [–]boredatworkinSK 32ポイント33ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      He did also play two matches for France in the past 7 days or so also. I was actually thinking Martial would be coming on for him as he looked exhausted with 15-20 minutes left.

                                      [–]WildBuffalo 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      Same, I thought Rooney would move to Pogba's position and Martial go out to RW. Instead we moved to 3 at the back, left us ourselves really vulnerable, Pogba continued where he was and Rooney just wandered around firing balls to Zlatan.

                                      [–]Purpsmcgurps 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      I thought the same thing, but I thought Mou's decision was fine based on the score

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                                          [–]FURyannnnScholes 48ポイント49ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          He killed so many attacks by trying to do tricks. Just pass the ball, there's no shame in not getting around a defender.

                                          [–]dilapidatedsparrow 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          He looked like a player who had no pre-season. Tough game for him to come so early in the season. He'll be brilliant for us once he is match fit.

                                          [–]clitoidDe Gea 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          His decision making was shite today. Needed a big performance from him and it didn't materialise.

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                                            [–]allyallmfersneed___ 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            I need a bottle and a nap after this.

                                            [–]ClwNzaMartial 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            At my current rate, I'll probably finish a bottle and then have a unintentional nap

                                            [–]CaptainMonkeyDLuffy 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Expected more from Pogba today

                                            [–]daprodigyx19Martial 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Thought that was a fantastic Derby in terms of entertainment.

                                            Disappointed in the loss, but happy with how they fought back after 40 minutes. No doubt in my mind these are the top 2 clubs in the league

                                            [–]-iusedtobecoolED WOODGOD 473ポイント474ポイント  (118子コメント)

                                            Rooney was absolutely brilliant today. And I've not been his biggest fan recently.

                                            And Herrera completely changed the game!

                                            Shame about the result but feeling positive.

                                            [–]Oblivion2510The a 216ポイント217ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                            Herrera deserves a starting place he was out fucking standing in that midfield

                                            [–]Spruce-MooseHerrera 22ポイント23ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                            He was great, but I think we have to consider how much space we had today as City tired and largely played on the counter. There are games for Herrera and games for other options, I feel.

                                            [–]LakerBullMartial 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            Agreed. Although i liked the idea of him playing with Pogba and Fellaini, since it gives Pogba more freedom to attack. Shame that he was invisible today.

                                            [–]Spruce-MooseHerrera 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            Yeah, today was a big test for Pogs, as Pep was always gonna press our midfield hard. Had Pogba stepped up, released his passes earlier and helped us to transition with more pace we might have won the midfield battle. But yeah, pity he didn't use his strengths as he might have.

                                            Overall, if he's to justify his price tag (not that a player really has that responsibility), he'll have to meet the kind of impact Yaya Toure has had in the derby n his time.

                                            [–]tigehMata / 21 Herrera 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            Herrera created that space by shielding our bank line from both the first and second ball, covering space to prevent runners and always having an option and an out ball to a physical presence. In what game wouldn't you want that?

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                                              [–]HomelessSmurfMartial 71ポイント72ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              He always gives 100%

                                              [–]TrickyxoneCoppell 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Most of them were pretty poor in the first half but I think every single player gave 100% in the second, even young super athletes like Bailly and Pogba were fucked by the end, proud of them for that although it's a shame we didn't get a point.

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                                                  [–]Jesus_is_my_flyhalf 55ポイント56ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                  Not too bad, just Mou had the tactics wrong in the first half. Much better second half, not too bad in the end. A point would have been nice.

                                                  [–]johncenatbh 158ポイント159ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                  The tactics weren't wrong, Mkhi and Lingard were supposed to track back, theyre much better than Mata or Martial at that, and play on the counter with their pace, Mou didnt know they would lose every ball and get beaten in every 50/50, they were utter shit.

                                                  [–]Pace120 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  The tactics were clearly wrong in some regards. Irrespective of Miki and Lingard, DeBruyne kept finding the space behind Fellaini and Pogba, and ahead of the back line. The result was that he dominated. Mou moved Herrera there to cover, and it completely changed the game.

                                                  [–]WildBuffalo 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  It was both of them's first game/start back from injury. One looked plainly unfit and the other looked rusty with the ball. It was hardly surprising and to start both of them was a mistake. Simple as.

                                                  [–]Jesus_is_my_flyhalf 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  I think a big problem was 4-5 players pressing when the ball went back to the defense and keeper. Left us very vulnerable in the midfield and defense. We stopped doing that in the second half, along with the substitutions it helped, I think.

                                                  Its the whole point of possession based football, to stretch teams. No one in the Prem did it against LVG, which is why our possession football the last few years didn't work. They just sat back and let us pass the ball around between defenders. We played right into Pep's hands in the first half.

                                                  [–]yiyiyiyiPogba 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  They were wrong. We got absolutely killed in midfield and trying to play counter attack with Zlatan and Rooney was stupid.

                                                  Second half we brought Herrera on, went to 433. We were able to get more of the ball and bring Zlatan and Rooney into the game.

                                                  [–]venkate-kateRooney 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  this is exactly right, i thought the one-touch counter attacking style was on and running, till it hit Mikhi and Lingard.. there could have been so many more goal-scoring chances...

                                                  [–]RupertPupkin0023Paul Scholes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I understand that he didn't expect the poor play from the wingers but I also think he got the tactics/lineup wrong. With how Silva and KdB like to roam and find those tight spaces in between the lines, a 2 man midfield was always going to struggle which was going to pull our CBs out of position. Rashford played well in the second half and made a big difference but I think the real difference came from the Herrera substitution which made it easier to close down those spaces and limit their midfields hold on the game. It wouldn't have been as apparent with better performances from our wingers in the first half, but the tactics were still wrong imo.

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                                                      [–]Low-Born-Scum 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      His best performance this season funnily enough.

                                                      [–]MirunMUFCCarrick 22ポイント23ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                      agree with both Rooney and Herrera, maybe this will see us change to a more of 4-3-3

                                                      [–]PoliceMachineShades of Dunc 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      It was like Rooney of old. Always wanted the ball and driving it forwards. Was brilliant to see

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                                                        [–]Tne10Herrera 41ポイント42ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        Horrible 1st half. Great 2nd half!

                                                        [–]SinferUnitedMAARTIALLLLLLLL 238ポイント239ポイント  (37子コメント)

                                                        Fuck off Bravo, so much time wasting and being a cunt

                                                        [–]mirnos 60ポイント61ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                        I love how when Rooney made contact with Bravo's right foot, he took a step with his left and then jumped up. It was one of those situations that you can only laugh about.

                                                        [–]OneTrueEmiyagoals against City 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        He had a greater chance of getting injured with his play-acting than Rooney's tackle, the clown.

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                                                          [–]WhatTheHellManSir Not Yet Appearing In This Film 109ポイント110ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                          At least he's so shit he'll cost them 10+ points this year!

                                                          [–]Ar-CurunirPaul Scholes, he scores goals! 25ポイント26ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                          Pretty sure he should have been sent off for his two footed studs up challenge on Rooney.

                                                          [–]fellowe5Shaw 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                          Absolutely should have been off. It's amazing the double standard that exists for keepers regarding tackles.

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                                                              [–]LinkMarker 144ポイント145ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                              Disappointed to lose, but what a fucking great game! One of the best we've played in for a few years.

                                                              [–]Oblivion2510The a 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Outplayed and Outclassed in the First Half and we just couldn't break through in the Second Half

                                                              [–]Remy_LaCroix_ 47ポイント48ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                              I hate nolitos face

                                                              [–]MiLSturbieMartial 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Okay, we lost. We had a very bad first half. But I have to say that the rush I felt during that second half is one that I hadn't felt in a long time, and the players played their fucking heart out, they really did. Fellaini was astounding, Rooney gave everything, Herrera too.

                                                              I'm so glad to say that we lost because it was City and they have a great team, instead of having to admit that we're basically shit and have no clue like it was often the case in these last 3 years. Players were shaken at first but gave everything and that's what I love to see. They're all going back to the dressing room having lost and I love every last one of them.

                                                              [–]BBQ_HaX0rStannis the Mannis 139ポイント140ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                              Fuck Mark Clattenburg. Every single 50/50 went one way today. Still no excuse for our atrocious first 40, but god damn we couldn't catch a fucking break.

                                                              [–]LarsHoneytoast44 54ポイント55ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              There was a great shot of Otamendi rolling on the ground and Ibra just walking away while getting carded and not giving a fuck. It was bliss.

                                                              [–]TheTrackPadUserPogba 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Jesus christ Otamendi fucking pissed me off with his diving.

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                                                                [–]mchughoDe Gea 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                I hate it when I see his face before a match. Seen so much bad officiating from him it surprises me that he still gets big games. Must know the right people in the FA.

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                                                                  [–]AFooteofNightsongMartial 321ポイント322ポイント  (59子コメント)

                                                                  Clattenburgh was a disgrace

                                                                  [–]gullible_giraffeFellaini 95ポイント96ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                  Unbelievable that he let Bravo get away with that studs up challenge and the handball in the box

                                                                  [–]TomMatthews 54ポイント55ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                  Handball I can see why I probably wouldn't have given that but Bravo holy crap arguably one of the worst challenges you'll see this season in the league luckily Rooney wasn't hurt cuz if he was it would've been a bad one

                                                                  [–]gullible_giraffeFellaini 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                  I can understand why the handball is questionable but unintentional or not it stopped a cross from coming into the box.

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                                                                    [–]ideniedyou28Jonny Evans 105ポイント106ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                    Abysmal refereeing. Some of the fouls that were given to city that weren't given to us were fucking bullshit. Fuck clattenburg, "best ref in england" my arse

                                                                    [–]Mesial 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    He really needs to be more consistent, I get both teams deserved fouls but at least call them all rather than picking and choosing.

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                                                                      [–]Oblivion2510The a 68ポイント69ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      So many fouls given to City that were waved away to us

                                                                      [–]deeejhibbertPogba 65ポイント66ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      de Bruyne starting a counter with the elbow right after he carded fellaini almost ended with my phone through the tv

                                                                      [–]IsleofMancManchester United 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      I was so livid when that happened. They were literally the exact same incidents 1 min apart but one was a foul and yellow card while the other was ignored.

                                                                      If fact, De Bruyne's was probably slightly worse since Fellaini actually had the ball when he stuck an arm out and KdB didn't

                                                                      [–]Sir_BryanMartial 67ポイント68ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                      Ok but lets not pretend he was the reason we lost. City was the better team and they absolutely battered us for the first half hour. We were fairly even from there but they still deserved the result.

                                                                      [–]AFooteofNightsongMartial 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      No, we lost it because of our shit first half, but I can't understand how he's always given big games then refuses to make big calls

                                                                      [–]Duffstuff123 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      City were the better team at the end of the day, but the Bravo challenge should have been a red and a penalty, we'd have been very likely to get something from the game if he called it.

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                                                                        [–]LordCheezusDe Gea 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        He'd rather them injure themselves than give a fair challenge. So many missed penalties or fouls. Fuck that ref.

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                                                                          [–]FizzypoptartsRooney 78ポイント79ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                          Fuck clattenburg

                                                                          [–]ssb5107Herrera 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                          Someone please explain why Herrera doesn't start week in week out

                                                                          [–]BobTheBanterBlind 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Also when you're at it, please explain me why Lingard got in the starting 11 over Rashford

                                                                          [–]aKNIGHT7 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Because we usually only play 2 midfielders

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                                                                            [–]dkkoooGiggs 50ポイント51ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            Rooney take a bow, Captain's performance

                                                                            [–]6500s 25ポイント26ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                            I think the title race will be as close as this match was.

                                                                            Great game of football for a neutral, not so good for my heart.

                                                                            [–]rtrip 42ポイント43ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                            Rooney and Herrera know what is required to play in the derby

                                                                            [–]elisalterPogba 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Rest of the team seemed to be shocked by city, they weren't there mentally.

                                                                            [–]alt4dumbquestions 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Now, is there a way to make Rooney angry before each match?

                                                                            [–]yungcabby 64ポイント65ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                            And cunts on r/soccer actually thought Clattenburg favored us.

                                                                            [–]frege-peach 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            If Mhiktaryan presses properly, Otamendi doesn't get that pass away for the first goal. Obviously a quality player but doesn't look there yet.

                                                                            [–]cloudbreaker81 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Just recovered from injury. Maybe still feeling it a bit. Will reserve judgement until we see more of him.

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                                                                              [–]TixicotSchneiderlin 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              We came so teasingly close on so many occasions. Needed better execution today!

                                                                              [–]Crusty_Gammon_FlapsBailly 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              First half was absolutely awful, I think we were lucky to even get a goal. The second half seemed like a totally different team and I feel like we at least deserved the draw from it but we just couldn't get it in the net.

                                                                              Mkhi and Lingard were awful in the first half.

                                                                              Herrera, Shaw, Bailly and Fellaini were probably our best players today.

                                                                              I also think Rooney played well on the right.

                                                                              [–]elneebrePogba 47ポイント48ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                              Rooney was brilliant

                                                                              Don't even feel THAT bad after the game, still incredibly positive about the season

                                                                              [–]rahgaelZlatan 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                              That first goal could have been prevented. Rooney was shouting at mkhi to close down kolarov, and he ignored it completely. This allowed kolarov to take his time, look up for iheanacho and send a long ball in. Small things like that creates big impact and it showed.

                                                                              [–]ideniedyou28Jonny Evans 100ポイント101ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                              Fuck you city

                                                                              [–]Custard_NoobMartial. He's isolated. Skrtel here. OHHHHH YESSS! 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              Well, that's ruined my day. Good 2nd half performance but the 1st half was just shit.

                                                                              [–]CumsInBreadRooney 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              Everytime Rashford got the ball, he carried so much hope. Almost all of his runs were insanely dangerous, so happy that he's continuing to show that hes not a one season pony.

                                                                              [–]PX44 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                              Post match interview, Mou seems dissapointed in Lingard and Mkhitaryan.

                                                                              [–]TyperSniperKeane 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              We lost that due to the 1st half, we lost the battle but not the war. Encouraging 2nd half but we'll have to improve next week.

                                                                              [–]forwardpassRooney 33ポイント34ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                              Don't sugercoat this, we got destroyed today. Could've been 4-1, 5-1 on another day. Yes we showed spirit to stay in the game, but that's the least you expect from this team.

                                                                              Mourinho lost this game with his starting line-up.

                                                                              Serious questions about individuals too. Pogba invisible, Blind suspect, Mkhitaryan and Lingard absolutely toxic.

                                                                              Make no mistakes, we're not favourites for the title.

                                                                              [–]cbaunoch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              This is the best comment I've seen. Why do I have to scroll so far down to see one sliver of a mention to how bad blind was. He may not have been the only reason, but he was directly involved in both goals being scored. Lazy on the second goal to keep him on sides and for the first goal he couldnt have been anymore flat footed. He was ball watching the while time. With the pace to get behind like this team has, smalling and bailly needed to both be on. Provide pace and strength to hold off the quick city players making runs in behind the defence. Adding Herrera to support the pass out of the back and our build up would be completely different.

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                                                                                [–]Lord_SauronMourinho > Moyes > Giggs > LVG 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                I'd rather see Chelsea or Arsenal win out this season rather than seeing that eggheaded cunt get another league title. Fuck

                                                                                [–]Scarred_ShadowMartial Law 18ポイント19ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                They deserved that one. Kevin de Bruyne was immense, Iheanacho filled in more than capably for Aguero.

                                                                                For us, we can take encouragement from our second half performance. Defence picked up a bit, but worrying is Mkhi's performance. That first goal could've been prevented by 3 people: Mkhi, Bailly, and Blind. Well, that's the game I guess.

                                                                                Onwards and upwards hopefully. :)

                                                                                [–]Lawlietttt 40ポイント41ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                Martial was a complete waste of a sub. And Herrera must play next game.

                                                                                [–]Ar-CurunirPaul Scholes, he scores goals! 47ポイント48ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                Tbf we didn't really involve him; we were just punting balls up into the box.

                                                                                [–]Lawlietttt 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                That's why I think he was a waste. If mou wanted to pump balls into the box, Shaw should've gone off for Smalling

                                                                                [–]WildBuffalo 37ポイント38ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                Not his fault though, we brought on a pacey winger who loves the ball played to his feet and kept slamming long balls through the middle. Would have honestly been better to bring on Smalling and put him up front with Zlatan and Fellaini.

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                                                                                  [–]OrgandoanerMartial 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  Is Otamendi the biggest pussy in the league? Every touch he falls.

                                                                                  [–]neerajgroverDarmian 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  • Why did Mourinho start Mkhitaryan and Lingard
                                                                                  • Herrera was great after he came on
                                                                                  • Baily is a beast
                                                                                  • Blind has his limitations and it showed today
                                                                                  • Rooney was immense
                                                                                  • Pogba should step up in big games, not saying he wasn't good but he could have been better.
                                                                                  • Finally, Bravo our MOTM.

                                                                                  Great Game.

                                                                                  [–]moonskiOh Robin She Said No 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  feels awful. Fuck that "it was a great game, least we looked good" nonsense.

                                                                                  we lost at home to city.

                                                                                  [–]monsteroc90 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Most important game of the season and he starts a recovering Lingard over an in form Rashford? Hererra needs to start.

                                                                                  [–]HighonCosmosDevilTheEvil 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                  I hate international breaks

                                                                                  What a game though!

                                                                                  Rashford needs to start

                                                                                  Good to see Rooney getting back to form

                                                                                  Would've liked to see a point but never felt more positive after a loss

                                                                                  [–]lawanhawizy[🍰] 24ポイント25ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                  Pogba was fucking naff.

                                                                                  [–]MoosjeMartial 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  I really don't think he was as bad as some of you are saying. He gave the ball away a few times but he single handedly took on multiple players to create a chance a few times in that game. It went both ways for him, not great, but not shit.

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                                                                                    [–]jaqqzorrManchester United 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    We were pretty unlucky in the end. Jose made excellent subs. We will be challenging for the title.

                                                                                    Brilliant game though.

                                                                                    [–]Miniatom 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                    Can't win every match, horrible first 35 minutes, satisfied with the rest, Pogba kinda off his game sadly. The thing im most annoyed with is the several shit posts and comments trash talking our players every time we lose... Embarassing they call themself fans.

                                                                                    [–]simplyevertHerrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Should have scored more than one with all those chances. But we lost this game the first 30 min for sure

                                                                                    [–]PrincessLeiasBuns 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    Pogba was largely uninfluential today. Played well, just couldn't affect the game too much sadly. Lingard was absolute shite and Mkhi was slightly better but only just. We could have taken the game with a better starting 11, but I'm happy about the fightback and the desire - it's just one match and we can will definitely be up there.

                                                                                    [–]jorgelucas7 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    I am happy that this game happened so early this season.

                                                                                    [–]TheM1dasTouch 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                    Eric Bailly looked like he was gonna drop dead around the 88th minute. Tactically sound from Citeh who edged it overall I feel (performance wise).. but when you look at which team has improved the most since the end of the last season I think we can take away a lot of positives

                                                                                    [–]jcamilo70 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    A game of two tales.

                                                                                    Such a cowardly, tacticless, improvised first half. The typical Mourinho plan that was criticized so much everywhere else he coached. Playing offensive, controlled football against bad teams, and then switching to a very cowardly style players aren't used to against good teams. I had so many Barca 5 - Madrid 0 scary flashbacks. Mkhi hadn't featured more than 10 minutes a game all season, so choose to start him today, even coming after another injury???? ok then... Lingaard played as a right wing all season? Sure, let's improvise play him at left wing against the biggest team. I mean what the fuck???

                                                                                    Blind also got owned in both goals, maybe it's just easier to play out of position against bad teams.

                                                                                    The second half though, that was so encouraging to see. I LOVED watching Guardiola screaming all scared and calling for 5 at the back, I loved the substitutions, the quick reactions, the switch to 4-3-3, Herrera's game, having Rashford in. In the end, Ibra giveth, and Ibra taketh away, I wish Rashford had scored his chance (ruled offside by Ibra) and it would have been the perfect ending. We have a lot to improve, but we improved so much in the second half, I have no doubt we'll get there. Just wish Pogba had been better and we didn't improvise.

                                                                                    Right now, City are above us, Pep is above us, and De Bruyne is worth £120M.

                                                                                    [–]Set-Abominae 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                    Shit result, but what an exciting game.

                                                                                    Also, Smalling has to be back in the starting lineup.

                                                                                    [–]Haynes_De Gea 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    This is the least disappointed I've been to lose a derby.

                                                                                    [–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 74ポイント75ポイント  (55子コメント)

                                                                                    • Clattenburg is shit

                                                                                    • Why is Lingard starting the Derby first game back from injury?

                                                                                    • That first half was a fucking joke

                                                                                    • Rashford is one of our best players

                                                                                    • Zlatan cost us this game, goal or not

                                                                                    • Rooney did well, I’m glad

                                                                                    Edit: ffs autocorrect

                                                                                    [–]petnarwhalBlind 68ポイント69ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                    Mkhitaryan was awful

                                                                                    [–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                    He was but in hindsight I think most of us wanted him to start after his showing against Hull.

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                                                                                      [–]danlawlMemphis 173ポイント174ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                                      Zlatan didn't cost us the game at all. Our abysmal first 35 minutes cost us the game. Blind falling asleep on both goals cost us the game, literally.

                                                                                      [–]fellowe5Shaw 51ポイント52ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                      Blind looked bad on those goals, but to be fair the whole team was totally smothered for those first 40 minutes

                                                                                      [–]BobTheBanterBlind 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      Èxactly, lets not pretend like Blind was the only one at fault at either of those goals. Mistakes made by others led to his mistakes. The only problem is when e.g. Lingard fucks up there's a defensive line to recover it, when a last man fucks up its only the goalie who can

                                                                                      [–]xosellc 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      I woke up at 4:30AM to watch the match and I'm pretty sure I was more awake than half the team.

                                                                                      [–]6stringsoldier 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                      first goal was baily's fault for pressing too high and leaving blind alone. Blind was put in an unlucky situation imo

                                                                                      [–]rogues69Martial 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                      Not only did bailly press too high he lost the header to iheanacho. No way can he afford to do that if he goes in charging like that. Get the ball or get the man

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                                                                                        [–]slippstroke 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Exactly his goal was far from an easy chance

                                                                                        [–]Sensur10Nani 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Tbf, Blind didn't get any help whatsoever when our midfield totally collapsed over and over again.

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                                                                                          [–]Oblivion2510The a 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Herrera Deserves to start as well

                                                                                          [–]Sir_BryanMartial 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Don't think it's fair to pin the loss on Zlatan. Mkyi and Lingard were abysmal. Pogba was underwhelming while Fernandihno bossed the fuck out of the game.

                                                                                          You could tell the team was too tired following the international break. Started slow and Bailly, Blind, and Pogba could hardly move after 75 min.

                                                                                          Zlatan missed a couple chances but City missed many more.

                                                                                          [–]shy247erDe Gea 20ポイント21ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                          Zlatan cost us this game

                                                                                          If anyone "cost us" it's Jose with failed tactics in the first half. I don't see what Zlatan did wrong to cost us this game.

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                                                                                            [–]unladen_swallowsRunning in the wind 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                            You know what is a cunt?

                                                                                            1. Manchester City
                                                                                            2. Manchester City
                                                                                            3. Mark Clattenburg

                                                                                            [–]vincent1989Herrera 20ポイント21ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                            That's the difference between a great manger in lvg and a world class one in mou. Changes in personnel, tactics and ethos was perfect at half time and after. They took a risk, a big one. And they gave everything. Don't think any of us can be disapointed with that second half performance.

                                                                                            [–]AE71Martial 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                            Except this game last year, we absolutely nullified city and De Bruyne.

                                                                                            [–]vincent1989Herrera 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            But city were no where near as well set up and effective that day

                                                                                            [–]holypooper 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            Except we didnt play Pep's team. This year City is superior tactically.

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                                                                                                [–]MalforianJose Mourinho 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                All that needs to be said

                                                                                                First half shit

                                                                                                Second half quality

                                                                                                [–]Incara1010 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Too many defensive mistakes and offensively flat. Tough game to watch.

                                                                                                [–]DasBeerHausDe Gea 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Well, that was shit. Of all the times to start Mickey, you do it after injury? Also, why the hell do you start Jesse?

                                                                                                [–]macAaronEGiggs 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                Mou made the wrong call starting Lingard and Mkhi but was right to sub them off. Tough loss, but a good game. Clattenburg was subpar.

                                                                                                [–]HighOnNicotine 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Jose should have probably played Blind in centre midfield and Smalling and Bailly at the back. We literally had no calmness on the ball until Herrera came on.

                                                                                                [–]RAKtheUndeadIrwin 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                At least we kept fighting until the end. I'm not exactly happy, but the second-half performance spared us some embarrassment and I hope we can learn from that. City are vulnerable, despite what we saw in the first 45 minutes.

                                                                                                [–]idontknowofficer 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                Could easily have been 2-2 had ibra taking his second gaping goal chance and a hand full of half chances in the second half.

                                                                                                [–]demgroovesDe Gea 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Despite the loss, I think we played really well second half and we were unlucky not to equalise. My standouts were Fellaini, Rooney, Hererra and Bailly (again). The worst players were probably our other signings, Mkhitariyan was awful but to be fair he is still injured and im sure he will improve when hes fit, zlatan was so frustrating today and pogba looked like a nothing player today, taken down too easily at times (do you think we should play him higher?)

                                                                                                [–]super_nomadKeane 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Herrera was absolutely phenomenal when he was on

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