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[–]WizeOaldOwlSocial Justice Wigglytuff 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

My policy is, if I'm really angry about something and I'm going to comment on it, I always force myself to re-read what I'm responding to and my own comment twice before posting. More than a few times, I've removed something that didn't need to be said because I allowed myself to process what I was reading and typing. You might benefit from a similar thing. And if you feel like you're too angry to be civil, it's probably best not to comment and find something to put you in a positive mood. Usually by then, someone else will likely have said what needed to be said, anyway.

[–]AngryDM[S] 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sounds like a good idea.

What was setting me off was what I thought was sealioning. I got sealioned so often, especially in personal messages (some as absurd as "excuse me, can you kindly define what a racist is and prove to me that Donald Trump is a racist?"), that I started seeing bad-faith intentions in questions that weren't really bad-faith to begin with.

[–]SmytheOrdoBeta Mangina White Knight 62ポイント63ポイント  (18子コメント)

PSA for everyone: If you're having a bad time, try to minimize time on meta/political subs if you can. In the trenches is indeed a thing.

[–]A_Dubious_RatSkeptical RPG Fodder 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was why I unsubbed from SRSPrime. I realized it was just getting unhealthy when the steam I was blowing off there was caused by the sub itself.

[–]AngryDM[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (11子コメント)

Best advice of the day.

[–]SmytheOrdoBeta Mangina White Knight 11ポイント12ポイント  (8子コメント)

Subs i stopped going to or lessened posting in because they were too negative/non-constructive: /r/niceguys

/r/AgainstHateSubreddits(because they allowed racists to "debate" users)

SRSDiscussion pre-relaunch because it was brigaded every 5 seconds and the new mod team isn't much better tbh

[–]AngryDM[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, I abandoned "justneckbeardthings" long ago, "niceguys" a little more recently, and I agree with you with the "againsthatesubreddits" disdain, especially because of the sentiment of "Drama isn't a hate subreddit, say so again and you'll be banned".

[–]SmytheOrdoBeta Mangina White Knight 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

The problem with those first two is they've become "punch-down" subs akin to cringeanarchy at times.

[–]AngryDM[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

In addition to that, "justneckbeardthings" had a weird sort of "inmates running the asylum" vibe after a while.

Example: "haha what a loser with that waifu pillow! The only PROPER waifu is this waifu!"

[–]TerkRockerfellerGames Rights Activist 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

JNT always struck me as just... off. Like lacking that critical mass of self awareness that makes something really funny. Instead it was just neckbeards making fun of bigger neckbeards

[–]Jeep-EepThen you get paedo rats. Do you want nonce mice? 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Honestly, the after the Lovely_Leah embarrassment, there ain't no reason to post on AHS; I prefer HateSubredditsInAction, as they're better at vetting people.

[–]CamNewtonJr 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can you tell me what happened? I think i missed it

[–]Jeep-EepThen you get paedo rats. Do you want nonce mice? 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

LL was dating a literal neonazi.

[–]ThoctarSpooky Scary Socialist 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm hear for ya if you need to talk I know the struggle can get you down.

[–]AngryDM[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Appreciated. Though for the moment just stepping away a bit more has done a lot of good already.

[–]Danielle_SetoLesbian Farmer 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I ended up deleting my account a few months ago after getting into an argument over the use of "Virgin" as an insult. It got pretty heated, and I actually got a few inflammatory personal messages to the point of just saying "Fuck it".

My advice? Take a break. You don't have to delete your account, but leave it alone for a while.

[–]SmytheOrdoBeta Mangina White Knight 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just started mainly going to niche discussion subs for my hobbies. /r/gallifrey, /r/LetsTalkMusic, etc.

[–]Danielle_SetoLesbian Farmer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wasn't telling specifically you what I think you should do: Just throwing my two cents in about what people should do if they're getting a little too angry at subs.

I used to frequent Paradox Plaza subs a lot but they're are a lot of reactionary asshats in there that really sap the fun out.

[–]starbucks_red_cupLITTLE WHITE CUCKBALL!!!! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When I'm feeling overwhelmed by the Internet, I just browse /r/babyelephantgifs

[–]ligetiMisanthropic Humanist 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Angry" is in your name though! :)

Seriously though, as someone who believes that open discourse is a better route than dismissal, I can't say I've always been a fan of how I've seen you deal with a lot of arguments. At the same time, I don't post or comment nearly as much as you do, so it's very easy for me to say all this without properly understanding how much you must get bogged down by bad faith retorts, or seemingly good-faith rebuttals that are nothing but sealioning. You always seemed like a very passionate person who always seems to understand and hold their convictions well -- something I greatly admire. But putting oneself in "the front lines" so often isn't good for anyone, no matter how resilient or convinced in their philosophies they might be.

I will say that despite the occasional abrasiveness of your rhetoric, you do do a great job of challenging people on their views, especially on this sub. It's so easy for someone to think they "won" social justice awareness even though they still think/behave in a manner Phil Ochs sung about. You calling people out on that does a net good I think, and it reminds others (such as myself) to not fall into easy complacency.

Without question, there are plenty of things you and I would inherently disagree over. But I don't think that should mean you and people like myself should have to be at odds with one another. At the end of the day I can only assume that we both want similar things -- I mean, I know we both frequent this and similar subs; it should be safe to say you and I both want to see positive social change in the world. Sure, we might disagree on how to achieve that in some respects, but that doesn't mean we can't still have those discussions without losing sight of the fact that we share similar goals.

While I may have downvoted a number of your comments in the past, I still always appreciate reading your input in a conversation. I also admire the humility you showed in this post -- something that I always want to see on reddit as a whole, but is almost never shown. If I were you, I wouldn't beat myself up so much over any perceived failings; everyone gets burned out after enough time, and without realizing it it can be all too easy to lash out at people who don't disagree with you. It's happened to me, it's happened to many people. I don't think that should translate to you, or others in a similar position, having to completely change your ways. But perhaps instead you might want to take inventory of what you would want to change, and go from there. (This is solely me speaking from my own experience, so feel free to ignore this section if you'd like.)

I hope you find some more positivity in your life. Like I said, I admire a great deal of what you do in the various communities we both participate in, and I hope the rampant cynicism to be found on this site doesn't bog you down too much.

P.S. I hope my criticisms toward your behavior don't come across as judgemental. I promise they aren't at all, though I understand that some nuances can be lost when an idea is expressed only through text. So I just wanted to clarify that any criticism I may have shared is secondary to the nicer things I want to communicate!

[–]AngryDM[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you for the heartfelt, lengthy-but-fitting post.

Oh, I have positivity in my life. I've had it for some time, and yet I kept getting drawn in by negativity. It can be addictive, I think.

I wasn't offended in the least by what you said, though it does sadden me a little that I've been so snappish and short recently that one may think I would. That's what I got to work on!

Thank you again for your response. It means a lot to me.

[–]ligetiMisanthropic Humanist 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No problem!

I don't doubt you have outlets for positivity; it can be way too easy for me to make assumptions about a person when all I know is their web persona. Sorry if that was a little assumptive on my end.

There's definitely something to the addictiveness of negativity though: I for one can get way too absorbed in it, especially when I come across it in communities I go to to get away from talks of social stratification and oppression.

...That's what I got to work on!

More power to you! Try not to get too discouraged if you find that it takes time. Those kinds of changes can take time and a lot of missteps, but I have no doubt you can work through that if that's what you want!

[–]AngryDM[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I won't be drifting away entirely. I can't, really. I mod a pretty active sub that needs me around at least until the end of summer.

Even so, a balance can be struck, and I intend to strike it.

If I stray off-course and get short and hostile out of turn, I hope I can stop myself better.

[–]blackberry03 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

I sometimes find myself slipping into being overly negative if I spend too much time on Ghazi too. What I find is helpful, is to have a real-world constructive outlet for this kind of thing, which is what I'm doing with local grassroots activism.

It helps you stay in touch with reality, and stay positive

[–]AngryDM[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I got some contacts like that, and there's an intersection nearby which is something of a junction of homeless people in the area. Maybe spending some time giving them company and providing what little I can may help.

[–]blackberry03 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you want to help the homeless, then I'd get involved in any local organisations that help them - there's probably little help you can offer just going down there by yourself.

My advice for getting involved in local activism/volunteering etc is to go for something that is grassroots and emphasises community. A lot of these organisations are very formal and won't achieve much because they don't engage with the community, which can leave you feeling frustrated and kinda lonely if you're going to all these meetings and stuff with a bunch of people you're not really friends with.

[–]AngryDM[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Point taken. Thanks for the tip.

[–]DoctorCelloMormon SJW 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know, this reminds me of a friend of mine--let's call him Jim. I met Jim through a video game forum, where he had a reputation for hating almost anything that was popular. Controversially, he especially hated Fallout 3 and Curse of Monkey Island, and would often post long diatribes on why they were bad games. He and I got into a lot of dumb internet fights, usually involving animation (he thought Pixar was overrated, which at the time I thought was blasphemy), and I would often give up because he seemed really insistent that he was right and everyone else was wrong, which frustrated me at the time.

Anyway, fast forward a bit and my sister ends up dating Jim, and eventually I got to meet him in real life. Turns out, Jim is a goofy, kind dude in real life who loves dogs, burgers, and superhero comics! He also has had a kind of troubled life, which I can sympathize.

So that's why I try to stay away from 'calling out' people on the internet anymore. You never know who's behind the keyboard and what they're going through, especially when it comes to the heated topics Gamerghazi often talks about. I myself have been refraining from going here too often and sticking to SquaredCircle and other non-political subreddits, just to keep myself from getting too heated.

[–]AngryDM[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish I had such an exceptional story myself.

Of the internet-active people I knew in my social circles, offline, the ones that did "trolling" on the internet or held toxic views were, without exception, pretty stereotypical assholes.

Still, I hold out hope that some aren't like the one you mentioned.

[–]DubiousMerchantReality-Fearing Turbonerd 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

It happens to everyone. Burnout is a thing. It's difficult (impossible?) to be both optimistic and aware in this world. We all just have to take care of ourselves the best we can, and try not to let anger, as righteous as it might be, become a habit that dictates our interactions with others.

[–]AngryDM[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The challenge ahead will be to be ready to accept being called out, when I go too far, instead of doubling-down.

[–]Dissonanz 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know if you put me on your ignorelist or what but I'll post here anyways. You called me stuff like STEMlord (or something like it) and Nintendo fanboy and similar things, some of them iirc more extreme. While that hurt a bit at the time, I liked many of your posts after all, after a while I noticed the pattern you described in this thread here. That, of course, didn't make it better, it made it worse, people suffering kind of sucks.

I don't know where I'm going with this. Get better soon, though, yeah?

[–]Zyrusticae 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was on the receiving end of this as well, purely for a disagreement in our views on the concept of free will. It was particularly odd to me because we (/u/AngryDM and myself) agreed on most everything else, but for whatever reason the conversation always went to the same dismissive place whenever I tried to push it. After reading this thread, it dawns on me that it may have seemed like I was "sealioning" at the time, though I wasn't even aware of the concept and, of course, I was being as genuine as I could be.

So all I can say is - yeah, getting a break is probably a good idea. Taking a step back and realizing that not everyone is out to troll you, and that you don't need to react with vociferous anger every time someone says something you inherently disagree with is also helpful (especially for one's own mental well-being).

This is the reason I've been spending a lot more time on niche interest and positive subreddits. Being pissed all the time just made me feel bloody terrible. I don't need the weight of the world's suffering on my shoulders at all times, especially when my own problems are still unresolved. I think the same applies here.

[–]DrakosAmatrasAnonymous Legitimate Source 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey, it's cool. If the pressure builds up again, try to focus on positive incidents too. Gods know 2016 has been a terrible year for any decent body, but if/when you cave, you're the one who suffers first and foremost, so we gotta savor the good news whenever they come by.

[–]AngryDM[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sometimes I feel like I'm living in FF7's Midgard, and the best I can do is plant a garden in some quiet corner of the undercity.

[–]freeradicalx 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

If it matters /u/AngryDM, your username has a green +12 next to it in my RES :P You're one of a few users on here who's handle I recognize and who I can literally remember having really constructive comments alongside mine.

[–]AngryDM[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is appreciated. I get so much hatemail that it's nice to know I can also be well received.

[–]slasher_lashCuck Tha Police 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

+78 here.

make that 79

[–]sophandrosRace Mixer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It happens to the best of us. Sometimes we need to step away and remember who our friends are and why they are more important than sticking it to our enemies.

[–]Admiralbiatch2I did nothing wrong and I won't do it again 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I figured you were unbashedly angry, so I didn't even bother calling out your behavior. I'm glad to know there's a conflicted human behind my screen and not a jerk. Take a break from Reddit, we'll still be here when you get back. :)

[–]KumaKazooie 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I really need to find a new sub to go to, I'm experiencing depression myself and this is literally the only sub I even GO to. It really is a bad idea. Especially when I'm taking 20mg adderalls and hyper focused on whatever I'm reading and think about it 30+ minutes when I'm done reading. It's just a horrible idea.

[–]AngryDM[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The worst part is if you get dedicated obsessive creeps following you, even admitting to weakness can get them excited for weeks.

My most recent example: "RayCharlesSunglasses"

After I posted this apology post, he's reminded me how much he's seething about something I said months ago by copy-pasting some Googled definition of some random mental illness and sending it to my inbox. Because that's how the "Drama" crowd strikes knockout blows against hated enemies.

If you're low profile, good. Otherwise I'd advise you to edit or remove that post before the "u r mentally ill"-spewing internet asshole crowd gets a hold of it.

[–]KumaKazooie 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't honestly give a shit what people say to me. But reading about so much negative shit can just get really unhealthy. Guy gets shot, racist cop does racist shit, sexist asshole says sexist shit, serial killer here, rapist there, it's just fucking depressing!

[–]AngryDM[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That got to me the most. In particular, shit like "excuse me good sir but can you objectively prove that God Emperor Trump is actually a dictionary-definition racist? Alas, your lack logical facts and rational reason. You are mentally ill. Seek help. Fare thee well kind sir".

[–]KatamariguyFEMA Death Camp Commander 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I still wish you hadn't more or less driven a certain user from LSC. But don't worry about that.

[–]AngryDM[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sadly, I may not know which one you mean.

If it helps, I lift bans there if people approach me and make a fair case. Now, if the message I get is "lol really? Kill urself", not so much.

[–]KatamariguyFEMA Death Camp Commander 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nah, he's pretty much fed up with you and the subreddit. Don't think there's a point.

[–]AngryDM[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, that's that then.

[–]RacecarlockSocial Justice Sharknado 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Have you read my shit when I go on my depressed, angry tirades? Bro, we all mess up sometimes, it's cool.

[–]AngryDM[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

In my case, I was so caught up in yelling back at all the assholes polluting my inbox (or adding them to blocklist, which isn't all that effective when throwaway accounts are involved), that I didn't even notice how coarse and short I was getting.

This stuff can get to us, I think.

[–]EthicsOverwhelming 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm just here to make fun of Gamergate.

[–]GreyWardenThorgaMondoCoolPositiveChangeAgent 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm here to do that, and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of gum.

[–]AngryDM[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like Char with the sunglasses?

[–]KeepingMostly2MyselfCuckball Enthusiast 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

I miss something? You're generally a pretty cool person.

[–]AngryDM[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah.

I've been very short and hostile with people on Ghazi, including some Ghazi regulars. "In the trenches", in a manner of speaking, too long. Ugh, war metaphor, see?

[–]TheBellmanHimselfSJEW MARINES! 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

If one gazes into the abyss...

[–]AngryDM[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

The part before that, about fighting with monsters while taking care to not become a monster, also applies.

[–]KeepingMostly2MyselfCuckball Enthusiast 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

All right. Now that I think about it, I have noticed you around here a bit less, like you said in your OP. Hope you feel better soon.

[–]AngryDM[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

In truth I had a temporary ban, but it did also encourage me to step away more.

[–]McJohnson88Gonzo SJW 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's alright, we all get a little heated from time to time.

[–]VorpalEskimo+2 against bigotry 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I hope you're feeling better.

I'm only a PM away if you need to talk.

[–]AngryDM[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm good now, just needed to take a step back.

[–]VorpalEskimo+2 against bigotry 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cool, cool.

[–]thefinestposNever Go Full Ethics 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been noticing this lately and didn't want to personally call out people for behavior but this is a nice change of post. SJW-sphere can get annoying or even draining at times, just reading or engaging in it. Taking a break sounds good.

[–]TheBellmanHimselfSJEW MARINES! 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

You're a fucking legend. Redditeurs tuck their metaphorical kids in at night with warnings that if they aren't good little shitlords the big scary /u/AngryDM will ride down atop his metasphere and steal their vidya in the name of the Fempire.

You've contributed so much glee, understanding, and schaudenfreude to the lives of others both within and without this community that you don't need to feel bad about needing a break. Nevermind the hatemail, I can only imagine the number of digital anthrax letters you have to open at arms length every day.

Take a vacation if you want, you've earned it.

[–]OneJobToRuleThemAllAnxiety-driven wheelprints 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

and schaudenfraude

That gave me a good laugh. It's spelled Schadenfreude ;) Schaudenfraude sounds really really funny to a German though.

[–]TheBellmanHimselfSJEW MARINES! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oops. I thought I would have had it in autocorrect by now :(...

[–]AngryDM[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll be around, but I've been so grumpy and worn-out that I read your post the wrong way, read it a second time, and took it better the second time.

That's how worn-down I've been.

[–]xenoghost1Social Studies Warrior 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

it's ok angry- you are a legend . but even legends get tired ,i know you and i have had our disagreements - but i just want to let you know i never took anything to heart and that i hope you get back soon

[–]AngryDM[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. I'm just going to reduce my level of involvement. But it's appreciated.

[–]thingscouldbeworseassistant to the regional skeleton cabalist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously? Yeah and they've also been written as much vitriol as possible into ban messages when banning people ostensibly on the same side because they had a slight difference in opinion...

Are we actually writing little fairy tales about mods in the comments now?

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    [–]AngryDM[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Look at the other comments, brave little throwaway account.

    As usual, saying "no one cares" is just someone like you being an obnoxious brat.

    God forbid we're not all good little obedient "anons" like you, eh?

    [–]Kthulhu42Broadband Champion 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I care.

    It's tiring when other posters continuously comment shit like "nobody cares" and "this isn't Facebook!!!!"

    If you feel like it was important then I'm glad. I also get frustrated dealing with the sexism and homophobia that gets reported on here. It makes me angry that I have to deal with it in 2016. It makes me shout because this is the hundredth damn time I've had to say "I literally don't give a single shit about Zoe Quinns sex life, NOBODY deserves harassment like that" knowing that I'm saying this to someone who is going to argue and say "FALSE FLAGS" or "INTERNET THREATS DON'T REAL"

    I often feel like don't want to fight any more, but getting angry about injustice is also part of who I am. A reminder to step carefully and that there's a human on the other side of the screen, and that I'm not alone with my frustration is helpful. So thanks.

    [–]AngryDM[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I am glad you spoke up.

    I can't remember the last time "WHO CARES?" or "NO ONE CARES!" was said by anyone that I would particularly want to spend time with, let alone associate with.

    [–]CaelrieNew Mod, Same Great Oppression![M] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Knock it off.

    [–]dinoseen -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

    You probably won't believe in not stalking you, but I like this post. I'd maybe rather you not say if you feel any remorse for your part in our 'discussions' on nega, to avoid a rude awakening, but this gives me a bit of hope that you're not as bad as I've thought. I'm off back to Ghazi to defend Kill la Kill (linked to here) so bai.

    [–]AngryDM[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

    It's a cartoon.

    I'm allowed to criticize parts of it I find questionable.

    [–]dinoseen -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

    It's an anime, and yes you are. If we're gonna talk about it shouldn't we do it in the relevant thread?

    [–]AngryDM[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    You brought it up here.

    [–]dinoseen -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I only drew attention to the other comment I made because it was relevant (I was writing it at the same time), check your inbox.

    [–]AngryDM[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

    It's clear you're set in your position and I am set in mine regarding that cartoon.

    You brought it up here for dubious reasons.

    [–]dinoseen -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I brought it up here to make sure you would read the other post. I brought it up there with the argument I did (intent) because it's not an avenue I usually see discussed in regards to the show, and I think it's important. Regardless of the 'issues' of the show, I think the 'fact' that they had good intentions makes up for those and the show itself is carried by sheer quality.

    [–]AngryDM[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    You're definitely way too over-invested in that cartoon for me to want to discuss it further with you.

    I think it's tacky fanservice garbage riding a wave of dodgy claims. We're at an impasse.

    [–]dinoseen -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I don't see how you can make that claim when you're unwilling to listen to anything I'm saying. I might as well call you a cynical hater of anime, and it'd be just as valid. You don't appear to have changed in your expression of vitriol, let's end this exchange on this comment.

    E: Actually, what dodgy claims?

    [–]AngryDM[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Let's see: dodgy personal attack, trendy "vitriol" word-dropping, even demanding last words after said dodgy personal attack.

    If you reaaaaaaaaally want those last words, go ahead, have them.