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[–]rileycakes5invested in a curling iron 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don’t think you can call it rape.

Wow. The more I read about this woman the more ill I feel. She spent her whole life being a hateful monster.

[–]AngryDM[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

She was just about the embodiment of all things toxic about gender relations.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_FRAMEInstant karma is my sexual strategy 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

“It’s really dangerous for a guy to go to college these days. He’s better off if he doesn’t talk to any women when he gets there. The feminists are perfectly glad to make false accusations and then claim all men are capable of some dastardly deed like rape.” – Schlafly, “Hatred of Men Gave Rise to UVA Rape Story,” Dec. 2014.

Honestly, I think it's pretty funny when radfem phrases are turned around and then all off a sudden everybody's sensitive panties are in a knot. The "hatred of men" in particular is a fun flip of the script because just about everything is discussed as some covert formulation of "hating women" in Dworkin etc (for the record, I think Dworkin is an analytical genius although I do think she maybe lacked some tact but meh, can't fault someone for having a style and eventually the words lose their incendiary bite and I think the message is sound).

Tangent:

At college orientation there was a "fun" exercise led by a gender studies professor where every third woman was counted out and asked to stand. These purportedly were to represent the women who would soon be raped--anyone could be the victim. Then everyone was asked to notice all the men in the room. Any one of them might be the rapist, looks and personality can be deceiving, etc. Worse: they could be the serial rapist and you wouldn't suspect it in the least. He could be, say, the harmless-looking man sitting next to you. If you suspect anything report it, catch the bad seeds early. Statistics and such. R1 universities in the '90s in the era before trigger warnings, folks.

Now, actually I think this could have been a good exercise if it were even remotely about teaching empathy for victims and the need for everyone (including men) to be vigilant and to come together as a community. Maybe. But in execution it was very much about fear. Fear of being raped. Fear of being a rapist.

FWIW the professor leading that orientation was silently banned from orientation activities a few years later because the College of Engineering finally had enough of that bullshit and threatened to pull their students out of university-wide orientation activities. Problem because CoE (read: CoE donors) essentially underwrote the entire thing.

Ironically CoE was moved to act only because it was determined this professor was frightening the CoE freshmen women and was cited by them as a major reason why women were struggling with the CoE freshman curriculum--women were said to be afraid to work with men and team work is pretty essential in the CoE curriculum. To be fair, engineer types of both gender tend not to be the best adjusted out of the gate anyway and CoE did basically nothing to address that. Freshman orientation made an easy scapegoat when the administration's quota and retention police arrived.

[–]18hourbruh 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well it's not like radfem language didn't/doesn't also get people riled up; as you said, in some sense, that was the point. Although actually I give Dworkin more of a pass because I think she chose her words in a very literary way, not in the "troll-ish" manner a lot of modern radfems use. People on the right and the left can fall into that lazy, aggressive language, but Dworkin was thoughtful with her words even when they were strong.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_FRAMEInstant karma is my sexual strategy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, I totally agree. So glad I bit the bullet and finally read her--she's considered such a boogeywoman. Honestly I wish I had taken at least any gender studies courses in college.

[–]18hourbruh 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't take any either, I think cause I didn't want to be walking around sad about entrenched misogyny all the time... and then I started coming here for fun, so, clearly I just don't know what I'm doing and should ring up my Captain and get myself sorted.

[–]sneakygingertroll 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

She died... what a shame.

[–]AngryDM[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It'd be nice if she lived to find a conscience and a sense of empathy.

[–]AWeepingAngelsThesisSex Wars Episode V: The Fempire Strikes Back 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck, even Fred Phelps allegedly had a change of heart before his death and got excommunicated by his own church. No such luck with Phyllis Schlafly?

[–]muxler 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I always wondered, is this result of internalised misogyny or is she really this bad? Like what makes those two categories different? If they are?

[–]AngryDM[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

She was the prototype for Breitbart's Milo.

"Look at me! I despise who I am and champion hate!"

[–]muxler 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah, that is a great analogy. Forgot about that guy. Thanks! 😃

[–]AWeepingAngelsThesisSex Wars Episode V: The Fempire Strikes Back 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Voldemort's a good example too.

[–]squashedbananasRaymundo, the Latin Chad 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

“And the first commandment of feminism is: I am woman; thou shalt not tolerate strange gods who assert that women have capabilities or often choose roles that are different from men’s.” – Schlafly, “Feminists On The Warpath Get Their Man, Feb. 2005.

She would have fit right in on reddit with her deep understanding of feminism.

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[–]khazhak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Her eyes look permanently crossed. Fitting.