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[–]tboneplays1Specs/Imgur here 539ポイント540ポイント  (45子コメント)

1080 Upscaled!

[–]lazy_panda42Pentium B980 @ 2.40GHz; nVidia GT 630M; 4GB RAM 202ポイント203ポイント  (25子コメント)

900p

FTFY

[–]Jaggenti5 4210H, GTX 960M 2GB, 12GB RAM, Win10, SS Rival 100 and G710+ 78ポイント79ポイント  (10子コメント)

480p

FTFY

[–]ShoboniGTX-960(4GB)/FX-8320, 8GB RAM. 9ポイント10ポイント  (11子コメント)

I know this is a circlejerk but the majoriy of console titles have been native 1080p for a while now.

That's not to say that run a very good settings (MGSV noticeably has some stuff set to what appears to be low detail in order to maintain 1080p60 on consoles) but native 1080 none-the-less.

[–]richajfi7 5820k @4.5ghz | SLI GTX 980ti | 32gb DDR4 | ROG Swift | Vive 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

Native 1080p, sure, but those tend to run at 30fps and often dip lower than that.

A lot run at 900p or something in that ballpark and are then upscaled to 1080p in order to try to maintain 60fps.

Only two games that I can think of, although I'm sure there are more but it isn't the norm, use dynamic resolution. Halo 5 and Doom.

1080p at 60fps is exceedingly rare.

[–]felixenfeui7 860 | OC GTX 970 | Define R5 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

Console have adaptive resolution. So I wouldn't call it native 1080p.

[–]Tensuke5820K @ 4GHz, GTX 970, 32GB DDR4 2800 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only a few games use dynamic resolution, most are native something or other.

[–]ShoboniGTX-960(4GB)/FX-8320, 8GB RAM. 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not all games utilize that, quite a few are just native 1080p

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        [–]skybala 26ポイント27ポイント  (8子コメント)

        i dont get this.. i thought some 4K TV already do native 1080p upscaling? that doesnt work on game consoles?

        [–]ArenjiTheLootGod 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Yes, 4k tv's can upscale 1080p video. The problem is that not every upscaler is equal, some tv's are more prone to input lag than others (really bad for games) and some are just better at it. The idea behind having an upscaler baked into the PS4 Pro's hardware is that it'll give a more consistent experience by removing the various image/performance discrepancies generated by third-party upscalers.

        Eurogamer/Digital Foundry wrote an article about the PS4 Pro's upscaler

        I'm still not going to buy one, but there is some interesting tech there.

        [–]skybala 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        yeah, i wonder if the same tech can be layered in a GPU driver to make *60's more 4K or VR ready.. ?

        [–]bobby3ebi5-4690k | GTX 970 | 1440p/144hz/1ms/GSYNC 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

        who tf knows, trying to figure out the console smoke and mirror show just isn't worth it

        [–]kaydaryl2600K@4.5 | AMD 5850 | Pok3r clears 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        it'd be less total latency for the console to upscale to 4K and have the TV think it's getting native 4K.

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            [–]alexnedea 270ポイント271ポイント  (158子コメント)

            It doesn't do GAMING in 4k. It does movies and videos if I'm right so what is all this thing about. Who the hell buys a PS4 for videos anyway

            [–]HDST 175ポイント176ポイント  (59子コメント)

            It is also limited to a pathetic 4k 30hz.

            Much cheaper devices have no problem outputting 4k 60hz.

            [–]lext 49ポイント50ポイント  (42子コメント)

            For most movies, except The Hobbit, 24p output is all you need. But if you're watching 4K YouTube videos with 60 FPS, you'll want higher output than 30 Hz.

            [–]lazy_panda42Pentium B980 @ 2.40GHz; nVidia GT 630M; 4GB RAM 61ポイント62ポイント  (9子コメント)

            Not even the hobbit is realeased at the higher framerate. It was for theaters only.

            [–]FennmarkerSTEAM_0:1:58255596 70ポイント71ポイント  (0子コメント)

            This was honestly sad.

            [–]ToastyMozarti5 4430, 2x HD7870s, 24GiB RAM, 250GiB 840EVO. & WiiU 28ポイント29ポイント  (7子コメント)

            Which was total bullshit. I don't want to buy the crappy version!

            [–]WhenDisasterStrucki5 6500 | GTX 1070 | 1440p 78ポイント79ポイント  (6子コメント)

            As far as I see it, The Hobbit movies were the crappy version of The Hobbit.

            [–]Leftover_Saladi7-6700k | GTX1070 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

            The Soviets made a better version in the 60's

            [–]WhenDisasterStrucki5 6500 | GTX 1070 | 1440p 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptations_of_The_Hobbit#Dramatizations

            Wow, you weren't kidding.

            [–]Themash360I7-6700K @4.9Ghz GTX 670 2GB 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Nobody expects the cinema snob. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULE4ynLiWe0

            [–]dragon-storytellerAthlon X4 860K | R7 360 | 8GB 1600MHz RAM 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Soviets

            Czechoslovakia

            TRIGGERED

            [–]MimicalPatch-zerg 10ポイント11ポイント  (27子コメント)

            (A bit more of a serious question): Why would a lower frame rate be acceptable when watching something versus someone playing it? That does not make sense to me. In games we see the difference in FPS, should we not see that in a movie also?

            [–]eegrashttp://pc.eegras.com | Creator of PCMRBot | I do Linux sometimes 39ポイント40ポイント  (12子コメント)

            Couple reasons:

            Usually when you're 'watching something' that thing is captured using a physical camera so has neat things like motion blur to hide the lower framerate.

            Assume a camera running at 30fps. Every 1/30th of a second it generates a frame of data. The information on that frame is ( ignoring ISO and shutter speed ) composed of all of the motion that happened in that 1/30th of a frame.

            A game, however, spends that 1/30th of a second to render an instant in game time, so no blur.

            Then you have the noticeable 'disconnect' between your input and the game's action. A game, at 30 fps, can only show the result of your button presses every 1/30th of a second. Compared to at 60fps's 1/60th of a second. Much faster, so your input is shown effecting the game a lot faster. You don't get this disconnect watching a thing because you're not controlling it.

            [–]MimicalPatch-zerg 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

            That makes sense, So the actual "frame" a camera catches includes the blur that our eyes would pick up, while a game only renders perfect still frames. So the blur naturally happens on fast moving objects, but if the frame-rate drops then the "stutters" of each frame are easily seen. Thanks!

            [–]br_z1LchSpecs/Imgur here 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

            a lot of games introduce motion blur, film grain, etc. to try to alleviate the fact that it's not rendering fast enough.

            [–]DarkKratozi5-4790k, EVGA 1080 SC, 16GB DDR3 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

            A great example of this is Uncharted 4, which looked fantastic despite the fact that it was running at 30 FPS.

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              [–]lext 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Most movies are shot at 24 fps and are 24 fps on the Bluray/Stream, so you only need 24p output from the playback device.

              With video games you want higher framerate than 24 fps, though some console gamers don't mind playing slideshows.

              [–]imsofuckingfati5-2500K - GTX 570 Potato 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Input lag/response time

              [–]ToastyMozarti5 4430, 2x HD7870s, 24GiB RAM, 250GiB 840EVO. & WiiU 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Gotta get those frame-perfect pauses...?

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                  [–]lolly_lolightlyZ170A| 6600(4.2)| R9 Fury(1125/500)| 16GB| HX750i| K70| G500s 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  On the plus side you can get 2160P|30 TVs for cheap. My 42" was only$450CAD.

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                    [–]mikeo009i5-3550/GTX 1060 24ポイント25ポイント  (12子コメント)

                    So the thing is, it CAN do gaming at 4K, its up to the devs. BUT, the experience is going to be absolute trash. Take the equivalent of an underclocked RX 470, and see what sort of graphics settings you'd need to run at to get a stable framerate at 4k. Anything running at native 4k is going to look like Minecraft.

                    [–]PiLigant 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    I assume I'm missing something and that there's a better place to ask, but you seem like you know what you're talking about:

                    What's the point of 4k with reduced visuals? Sounds like you have to turn down the graphics detail just to see it in higher detail? Also defeats the purpose of having any long draw-distance. It almost sounds like it has to be rendered in 1080p (i know that's not really how it works) just to output it in 4k. I'm so confused!

                    [–]mikeo009i5-3550/GTX 1060 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    The only thing I can think of is marketing. 4k is the "new" thing, so they don't want to miss the boat. Realistically, this PS4 Pro should be rendering med-high quality visuals at 1080p, but that wouldn't make a very good marketing line. So anything it renders at 4k is going to be lacking in the eye candy category, but look super sharp.

                    It's also quite likely that some games will be rentered at 1080p and upscaled to 4k. There will also be a lot of titles that are rendered at ~2k resolution and interlaced to 4k. The hardware just isn't anywhere close to powerful enough to render decent visuals at 4k.

                    [–]speccers4790k @ 4.4, 32G 2400, Xfire 290X 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It's so they can advertise 4K and sell more.

                    [–]brucetwarzenIntel i7-4790k 2x8Gigabyte Corsair Vengeance Pro AMD Fury X 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    You do have to turn down graphics, but "medium" in 4k is supposedly way better then "medium" on 1080.

                    [–]Papa-Putin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I was about to suggest it could run Minecraft in 4k.

                    lol

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                      [–]Lamarian9i5 4690k, 2 x GTX 970 19ポイント20ポイント  (14子コメント)

                      Mass Effect Andromeda is advertising that their game will run at 4K on the new PlayStation

                      I'm like 99% sure that's a lie and false advertising :P

                      [–]copypaste_93 24ポイント25ポイント  (9子コメント)

                      upscaled 4k is technically still 4k. It does almost nothing for the quality though.

                      [–]Dioroxici5 6600k, 32GB DDR4, EVGA 980 Ti 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      Well I could stretch a damn 240p youtube video on a 4k monitor and it will technically use all 8 million pixels on my screen. So is that 240p upscaled to 4k video?

                      Native is all that matters. It's misleading. PS4 Pro is NOT a 4k machine. It doesn't even play UHD blue rays for fucks sake lol. All it can do in 4k is netflix and youtube.

                      [–]Papa-Putin 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Well I could stretch a damn 240p youtube video on a 4k monitor and it will technically use all 8 million pixels on my screen. So is that 240p upscaled to 4k video?

                      Depends, VLC player for example can add some filtering to that 240p video to essentially up-scale it. It is a little more than just stretching, but in the end its utter shit compared to native so this conversation is irrelevant.

                      [–]IamtheSlothKing 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      That's not what upscaling is.

                      [–]Dioroxici5 6600k, 32GB DDR4, EVGA 980 Ti 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      "It typically works using an interpolation (inferring new data by extracting from known elements) algorithm, and tells pixels what to do based on what those surrounding it are displaying, and then duplicating them."

                      Sorry I didn't say everything "techically" correct. Yeah it's not just flat out stretching, but it might as well be. Upscaling is glorified stretching. Worthless in my opinion.

                      [–]Phrodo_004690K, 970 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Yes it is? if you do that it will more than likely use a linear interpolation or (very unlikely) nearest neighbour upscaler. Without upscaling it would just use 1.4% of the screen.

                      [–]obippoi7 4790s - gtx 970 - 8 gb ram 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      What is it? I really don't understand all this "4k/upscaling" stuff.

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                            [–]dudeware 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Actually no, go to their YouTube page and you'll see them show gameplay in 4k. Funny enough it doesn't come with a UHD bluray player so you can't watch your 4k movies on it unless you watch them through the Netflix app.

                            Also I'd like to say I am in no way a console peasant I'm just letting you know they are claiming to do 4k gaming. Now we don't know if this is true 4k or some higher resolution upscale to 4k. The one interesting thing I've read though is that multiplayer games will be locked at the same FPS as what they run on the regular PS4 so as to not give the PS4 pro players an advantage over them. Kinda defeats the purpose of buying a new PS4 if you ask me.

                            [–]ThatUndeadLegacyFírnen. i7-6700 @ 3.4 GHz | MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X | 16GB DDR4 15ポイント16ポイント  (31子コメント)

                            it doesn't even do movies in 4k confirmed now

                            [–]mikeo009i5-3550/GTX 1060 21ポイント22ポイント  (28子コメント)

                            It doesn't have 4K bluray, but it does stream movies at 4k.

                            [–]saitilkEWin+Debian, i5-3570K, 16GB, 2xR280X, 2x128Gb SSD 9ポイント10ポイント  (26子コメント)

                            ... and they had to release a new version to even be able to do this?.. Oh my.

                            [–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD 14ポイント15ポイント  (24子コメント)

                            Well yeah, they had to update it to HDMI 2.0, something that was first introduced to PC in Maxwell and Polaris

                            [–]m4xxp0weri5-4690k + GTX970 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

                            I wish HDMI didn't exist on standard PC GPU's.

                            It's a peasant trap. I've seen it multiple times that someone bought a high end GPU and a 144Hz monitor and is then connecting them via HDMI. HDMI can't handle the refresh rates and the good monitor is there for nothing.

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                              [–]mikeo009i5-3550/GTX 1060 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Haha ya, it's pretty sad actually. Don't worry, they'll release a new-new version next year with 4K bluray.

                              [–]ThatUndeadLegacyFírnen. i7-6700 @ 3.4 GHz | MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X | 16GB DDR4 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              so for countries with crappy internet? they are fucked?

                              [–]1breeSpecs/Imgur here 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Great, I bought my dad Deadpool in 4K since he now has a 4K TV.

                              Does any console support 4K Blu-ray disks, or just regular Blu-ray players.

                              [–]Shensmobilei5-4590, R9 390 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Xbox One S

                              [–]HYPERTiZi5 4690k | NH-U9B SE2 | 16GB | GTX970ITX | EVGA SuperNova 750G 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              For that cinematic feel /s

                              That sounded ironic here...

                              [–]copypaste_93 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              It dosen't even suport 4k blurays for some reason. What 4k content is left. netflix?

                              [–]Farren246 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Who the hell buys a PS4 for videos anyway

                              That's what PS3s are for. You know, for 1080p movies. Cheapest solution until you have enough to ascend to a streaming PC.

                              [–]MimicalPatch-zerg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Same people who bought the PS3 blue ray.

                              [–]Iamnotyourheroi7-6700K | Gigabyte 980Ti 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              In fairness I have a PS4 which is pretty much used exclusively for Netflix, hbogo and WWE network. I think I got it so my fiancée could play uncharted 4 but she beat it months ago.

                              [–]astronautsaurus980Ti 16GB i5 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              i thought they said it won't come with a UHD bluray drive?

                              [–]CereazaSteam: Cereaza | i7-5820K | Titan XP | 16GB DDR4 | 2TB SSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Well... everyone. That's what my ps4 is. It's a media center that can play an exclusive if I even bother to know if they come out. But it's just a netflix machine,

                              [–]melon_masterR9 380 4GB, i5-4690 3.5GHz, 8GB DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I know right. You can get a cheap ps3 for video. Way better

                              [–]DarkKratozi5-4790k, EVGA 1080 SC, 16GB DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              But it does do gaming in 4K. They stated it was rendering Horizon, For Honor, Infinite Warfare, and several others at 4K.

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                                [–]pawlik23i5 4690k/16GB 1866/MSI R9 390 100ポイント101ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                I love how peasants are blabbering that 'you need to upgrade your PC every year while a console lasts you a whole generation'.

                                Then console manufacturers release different versions of their potatoes - and upgrading immediately starts being cool.

                                [–]Bears_Bearing_ArmsSager NP9370 | i7 3840QM 2.8GHz | GTX 970M 6GB | 16GB DDR3 15ポイント16ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                I've had the same gaming laptop since 2012. Upgraded my GPU to a 970m this winter. The GPU cost as much as a new console, but it was totally worth it.

                                [–]ShoboniGTX-960(4GB)/FX-8320, 8GB RAM. 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                My really modest FX-8320 build has lasted me nearly two years with nothing but a $170 GPU upgrade to a 4GB GTX-960 when the 750ti finally started showing it's age.

                                [–]Bears_Bearing_ArmsSager NP9370 | i7 3840QM 2.8GHz | GTX 970M 6GB | 16GB DDR3 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                Yeah. Witcher 3 was rough on my 680M.

                                My CPU and 16gigs of ram are still fine, but the 680m couldn't keep up.

                                Now my problem is my boot drive. It's constantly out of space. I probably should look into getting a bigger one, but I have no idea how to go about doing that.

                                [–]pawlik23i5 4690k/16GB 1866/MSI R9 390 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Bought a medium-end PC in 2010. Added more RAM after a year, after 2 more years I had to replace the dead GPU (HD5850), got a cheap HD7790 1GB. It ran TW3 and GTAV on medium settings, it still would be able to run other modern titles. I upgraded to a new rig even though that 2010 PC was still working OK, it would regain some power with an SSD. Overall, the money spent on upgrades was less than a brand new console.

                                [–]Bears_Bearing_ArmsSager NP9370 | i7 3840QM 2.8GHz | GTX 970M 6GB | 16GB DDR3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I'm graduating in the Spring, so I plan to get myself something nice once I get a job. A desktop because I won't have to move around as much as when I was a student.

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                                  [–]Ritty34 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  The 360 and PS3 lasted way longer than any other generation has, most consoles before them only lasted a few years. It isn't really that odd that they are coming out with upgraded versions.

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                                    [–]st0nehi5 4690K@4.5Ghz, R9 390, 16Gb RAM 297ポイント298ポイント  (74子コメント)

                                    TFW people think 4K TVs cost $3000.

                                    [–]dandananddanhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/KiLL3rAU[S] 175ポイント176ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                    Welcome to Australia

                                    [–]ThatUndeadLegacyFírnen. i7-6700 @ 3.4 GHz | MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X | 16GB DDR4 42ポイント43ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    And Nz haha ps4 "pro" costs $750

                                    [–]chrisman01i7-4790k 4.0ghz, MSI GTX 970 100ME 4GB, 8GB DDR3 ASRock Fatal1ty 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Can't forget that speakers in TVs are terrible, so you'll need a sound system.

                                    [–]st0nehi5 4690K@4.5Ghz, R9 390, 16Gb RAM 17ポイント18ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                    In that case I suspect the PS4 Pro wouldn't cost $400.

                                    Half of those TVs also don't cost anywhere near $3000.

                                    [–]chaosdragonlordi5 6500, 8GB DDR4-2133, r9 390 SOC 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    You would be surprised, both consoles regularly go on sale for less than the US price here.

                                    [–]Dezza2241 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                    Ps4 is $499 for 1tb storage, Uncharted 4, and No Man's Sky

                                    Or 500gb ps4 for $479

                                    Consoles are cheap here...

                                    [–]inebriusmaximusSpecs/Imgur here 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    $59.99 back on return of No Man's Sky though, but only if you're a thief.

                                    [–]NordeinAMD FX-8320(4.7Ghz) Nvidia GTX 970 G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Assuming there is a disc bundle, most ones come with a download code or are downloaded now.

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                                      [–]PotatoScallopsi5-6600 | MSI R9 390 8gb | 2x4GB DDR4 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Half of those TVs also don't cost anywhere near $3000

                                      19 of 36 cost $299x or more on that page. One of them costs $12000. Not sure where you got your stats from

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                                        [–]Jubbly 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Is the shipping from Amazon too expensive?

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                                          [–]DarkangelUKSpecs/Imgur Here 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Yeah some reverse peasantry going on here

                                          [–]chrisTHEayers 19ポイント20ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                          My 28" 4k freesync monitor was 700

                                          my 55" 4k smart TV was 850

                                          [–]bobthebobsledbuilder 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          I got a 28" Samsung 4k free sync monitor for 300... Why so much?

                                          [–]chrisTHEayers 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Bought it when it released last year, probably the same model as yours

                                          I guess that should be taken into account

                                          [–]ionlyuseredditatwork4790k / XFX 390 DD 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                          What monitor, if you don't mind my asking?

                                          [–]chrisTHEayers 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                          Samsung U28E590D, it's pretty nice.

                                          Freesync range is 40-64, but I used a custom driver to get it down to 36

                                          P.s. it's much cheaper now

                                          [–]ionlyuseredditatwork4790k / XFX 390 DD 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                          Oh wow, $380 on amazon. I'll have to keep an eye on that when I upgrade from my 390

                                          [–]chrisTHEayers 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                          Depending in what you play, you could even buy it before you upgrade. Your 390 can probably get the frames in that range on older/non-AAA games

                                          [–]ionlyuseredditatwork4790k / XFX 390 DD 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          You're absolutely right. I already have a 144Hz 1080p panel that I game on, but for games where I'm already blasting 140fps, might be worth looking into the 4K sooner

                                          [–]chrisTHEayers 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          yeah, it's up to you if you wanna make the resolution for frames trade-off.

                                          The only reason to wait would be for a higher refresh rate monitor. I think all the stuff available only goes to the 60 area. that's not a big deal since it's difficult to reach that with intense games on today's cards. but if you're planning on getting a Vega card, it may push past that. also the higher refresh can gain the benefit for low framerate compensation (freesync max has to be at least 2x min). But idk how long we will have to wait to see those kind of monitors (and they'll be expensive)

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                                              [–]CobaltPhusion5750M / 8650G / 6GB / Win10 / Can't Minecraft Send Help 20ポイント21ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                              we have some 4k tv's at the target i work at going for around $300

                                              [–]EggheadDashAMD FX-8350, AMD R9 290, 16GB RAM, Arch Linux/Windows 7 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              I see em for mid-three digits at Walmart.

                                              [–]ledessertASUS n550JK i7 4700hq / 16gb / 850m 4gb / 850 evo 500gb 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                              259€ in france

                                              Image quality might be shitty though

                                              [–]MrShlash 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              My friend just bought a 50" Samsung Smart LED 4k TV for ~800$

                                              [–]Awesomeadei5 6600 + GTX 1070 HTPC & i7 4770K + GTX 780 SLI DPC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Ha, seriously. You can get a solid 55-inch 4K tv for $500.

                                              [–]chuiu🖕 i7 4790k, 780ti, 16gb, 144hz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I just bought a 4k 55" TV for $430 last week.

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                                                [–]Akella333 26ポイント27ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                Don't you need a 4k display for a 4k PC too?

                                                [–]vsTerminusi7 4790k | 2x GTX 760 15ポイント16ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                Yes, but when's the last time you bought a 65" for your gaming PC? Most of us are going to buy something in the 27" range, which newegg has in abundance for about $400 a pop.

                                                [–]basemancaveman 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                But explain why that wouldn't suffice for a console?

                                                Most pc gamers still waste big bucks on a giant tv too.. that they 'only' watch movies on, in a way the console peasants are saving money by using the same monitor for viewing and playing.

                                                I'm a pc user exclusively, but people shit on consoles so much .. this doesn't seem to really hit home.

                                                [–]vsTerminusi7 4790k | 2x GTX 760 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                But explain why that wouldn't suffice for a console?

                                                It works fine if you sit close enough. Average console gamer sits across the room and needs something bigger.

                                                Most pc gamers still waste big bucks on a giant tv too..

                                                Sure, although this is getting less and less common thanks to Netflix/Crunchyroll/whatever on your phone and PC.

                                                in a way the console peasants are saving money by using the same monitor for viewing and playing.

                                                In a way you're also spending more because now you need a 4K television with fast enough response times for gaming.

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                                                  [–]CheesewhizzaFoRizzle 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  I bought a 65" 4k for my gaming pc as I have no room for a desk in my apartment and I enjoy my living room gaming.

                                                  I was looking forward to the ps4pro to complete my living room setup (for ps exclusive games and 4k Blu-ray) but now im not so sure...

                                                  [–]vsTerminusi7 4790k | 2x GTX 760 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  And I have been connecting consoles to my PC monitors for the last 10 years and gaming at my computer desk :)

                                                  We are a minority, though.

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                                                    [–]richard0copelandWINDOWS 10 - NVIDIA 980TI - INTEL 17-4790 - 32GB RAM 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Yes but 4k monitors are generally £200 cheaper than tvs

                                                    [–]BennConi5 4460 ¦ MSI R9 380 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I got a 4k monitor (IPS, 24 inch) for £200 ($270). They're pretty cheap

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                                                      [–]alien_from_Europahttp://i.imgur.com/OehnIyc.jpg 45ポイント46ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                      When it comes to TVs, lag is most important for gaming: http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

                                                      Samsung's 65" 4K display with 17ms lag is $2300 on Amazon and the 78" with 20ms is $4500. Sony's fastest for 65" 4K is 34ms for ~$1238 and the 75" is 37ms for ~$5K.

                                                      [–]isavegasi7-6700k@4.6Ghz|16GB RAM|256GB SSD|MSI z170 G M7 49ポイント50ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                      Latency

                                                      [–]alien_from_Europahttp://i.imgur.com/OehnIyc.jpg 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      I prefer Wait-and-See or Late Nancy

                                                      [–]GreyouTT 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      Late Mancy

                                                      [–]leveldock6Razer Blade QHD 970M 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      M, as in Mancy. You of all people...

                                                      [–]AnsonKindred 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      I know you're technically correct, but man, I'm a game dev and I use 'lag' to refer to all sort of things that aren't network lag all the time. As far as communicating an idea goes I think 'lag' gets the point across pretty adequately.

                                                      [–]MeRollsta 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                      There's another issue as well. Most TV's reduce input lag when Game mode is enabled, which is what the website shows. Unfortunately, HDR can only be enabled in Cinema or Movie mode in some televisions such as Samsung's. So even in the best case scenario, you'll have around around 40 ms of lag when playing HDR games, and upward of 100 in the worst cases.

                                                      [–]RyanGBakerhttp://pcpartpicker.com/list/h6dLPs 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                      I don't know how anybody could play anything with 100ms of lag...

                                                      [–]SjettepetJRI5-4670k@4,3GHz | R9 290X (reference) | Asus Z97 Maximus VII her 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      I already get annoyed when I get over 100ms of ping. playing on TV's is horrible.

                                                      [–]RyanGBakerhttp://pcpartpicker.com/list/h6dLPs 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      I used to play on a 55" 1080p @ 60hz TV with 20-30ms lag. Even that was annoying.

                                                      I didn't realize just how annoying until I got my XL2730Z, though.

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                                                        [–]zazazamzamalek 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        If you are deluded into thinking that 30FPS is okay, I'm pretty sure that no shits would be given about input latency.

                                                        There's a complete rabit hole to consider here, fellas.

                                                        [–]A_BOMB2012Specs/Imgur here 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        I play League of Legends with a 60-ish ms ping all the time, that doesn't sound very bad.

                                                        [–]rayzoriumi5-4690k | GTX 980 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Probably on a 11ms monitor, though. It does start to add up.

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                                                          [–]Progressor_ 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          I'm a console "hater" as much as the next guy but that's a shitty argument and it makes us looks just as ignorant as the console fanboys. Unless you're buying something really high end, a 4K TV isn't anywhere near as expensive as $3k.

                                                          [–]SadanielsVDI5 4570, GTX 970, 8GB DDR3 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                          I actually bought a 4K Samsung smart TV for 550 USD. 3k is a bit over the top

                                                          [–]TheolaaIntel Core Duo 3.0Ghz | AMD Radeon HD 6870 1Gb | 8Gb DDR3 RAM 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                          I think someone said it was in new zealand dollars...

                                                          [–]I_love_small_boobiesAMD FX-8370, Sapphire Tech R9 380, 16gb DDR4 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          It might be in dollaridoos.

                                                          500 USD will give you more than a couple options for entry level 4ks.

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                                                              [–]IISuperSlothII 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                              A quick look on amazon shows 50inch sony and panasonic 4k tv's for £600 - £700 which isn't bad at all.

                                                              I know it's a joke but using two different currency's or just cherry picking the most expensive tv, to further the agenda is ridiculous.

                                                              I could flip it and say omg pc gaming is so expensive, if I buy all the best parts available it costs me a deposit on a house.

                                                              [–]Expandedcelt 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              50" LG 4k tv for $500 with 34 ms latency. This post is a joke.

                                                              [–]WhenDisasterStrucki5 6500 | GTX 1070 | 1440p 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Cheap-ish but limited to what refresh rate? and latency of the screens, the PS4 pro would be a good 1080p gaming machine for sure if it means you can play on high settings at 60fps for the first time.

                                                              [–]BCJunglist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              TVs that cheap have shit latency

                                                              [–]Bears_Bearing_ArmsSager NP9370 | i7 3840QM 2.8GHz | GTX 970M 6GB | 16GB DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              What's the going conversion to USD? Is the pound worth more or less after Brexit?

                                                              [–]kamcio616980ti/i7 4790k@4.7Ghz/16GB RAM 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              It dropped a bit after brexit then stabalized. We might see a huge drop in value when we actually exit Europe in 2 years or so. So far it's only a referendum.

                                                              [–]ThatUndeadLegacyFírnen. i7-6700 @ 3.4 GHz | MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X | 16GB DDR4 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                              Isn't it 1080p stretched?

                                                              [–]Slaughter_roundi7 6700 | R9 390 Nitro | ASUS H170 | DDR4 Ripjaws V 16GB 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                              *upscaled

                                                              Also, my guess is 1080p or 900p upscaled for gaming at least

                                                              [–]ThatUndeadLegacyFírnen. i7-6700 @ 3.4 GHz | MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X | 16GB DDR4 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                              I did some research either 1080p upscaled and the scorpio might be 1440p upscaled ( i doubt it) the ps4 pro doesn't even have a 4k blue ray.

                                                              [–]Slaughter_roundi7 6700 | R9 390 Nitro | ASUS H170 | DDR4 Ripjaws V 16GB 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              The whole think is like a scam, I wouldn't be surprised if by 4k they literally mean it is possible to display 900p on a 4k screen

                                                              [–]chrisTHEayers 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              be interesting to see how they market it when consoles can actually push 4k. They will probably have to come up with a new term because people already think they had 4k lol

                                                              [–]Pcgamer178. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              When that happens they will say then the ps5 has 8k, when it's 4k.

                                                              [–]SjettepetJRI5-4670k@4,3GHz | R9 290X (reference) | Asus Z97 Maximus VII her 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              if this is true I hope some authority makes a big-ass lawsuit out of it.

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                                                                [–]mastawingmani7-6700K, GTX 1080 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Not to mention, the people who are buying the PS4 Pro already bought the PS4, paid for online gaming for a year or two, purchased at least a couple add ons, and possibly already upgraded the PS4 hard drive.

                                                                [–]VoytekBeari5 4690k | MSI R9 390 8G | MSI Z97 Gaming 5 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                Lmao and they advertise it as being 4K ready when they advertise the GPU power as 2x greater than the standard ps4. To play on 4k@25fps you would need to at least quadruple GPU power.

                                                                [–]monkee201 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                Wait it's twice as powerful shouldn't it only be 1.5 times as power full they only stuck half of another PS4 to the top.

                                                                [–]mikeo009i5-3550/GTX 1060 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                This guy gets it! PS4Pro

                                                                [–]ChongJXPentium 3 466mhz | 512mb RAM | ATI Rage 128MB 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Wait, so Playstation Pros use regular PlayStations? Else why is it called PS-4-Pro?

                                                                Ba Dum Tss...

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                                                                  [–]lanceinmypants 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  I have a 4K seiki tv that costed me 400$

                                                                  [–]regulartoastGTX 1080 i7 6700K 144hz 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Not to break up the circlejerk, but there are quite a few 4K TVs for less than $3000. I bought a really nice one for like $1400, and you can get a 4KTV for like $600 bucks at Target.

                                                                  [–]CoolDolphinGuyFX-8350 | GTX 1070 | 8GB RAM 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                  Who cares about the price of PS4 Pro. By 4 Years later, you'll have to take a mortgage out on your house to afford the expensive games and multi-player service.

                                                                  [–]sirnefsi 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  4 years later will be one year after the release of the PS4 Pro 2.

                                                                  Because upgrading 1 part of a PC every 2-4 years is way more expensive than console gamingFORWARD SLASH ESS

                                                                  [–]RyanGBakerhttp://pcpartpicker.com/list/h6dLPs 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  Bitch, please. It will be called PS4 Pro Plus and it will have RGB lighting.

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                                                                    [–]afyeung11i7 5820K, R9 390X 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    A console will never be as good as a PC even if it offers the same hardware for the same price.

                                                                    [–]Gidedini7 3770K @ 4.4 | 980 SLI @ 1532/8004 | ASUS PG278Q | GidDragon 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    Why not?

                                                                    [–]DarkKratozi5-4790k, EVGA 1080 SC, 16GB DDR3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    I bought my 43" 4K TV for $800CAD, or around $600 in USD...

                                                                    That cost would also be required on buying a computer for 4K gaming, so I don't see why this argument is being made.

                                                                    [–]logosterI5-3330 @ 3.0GHZ | 8GB 1600MHZ DDR3 | GTX 750TI SC 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    not really, i can't get a decent vizio 4K panel at sams club for around $479 (it's used of course, but who gives a shit)

                                                                    [–]Madnesssoft 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    30hz 4k ftw!

                                                                    [–]cujo9948 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    I got my 65" 4k tv for $600. I don't know why you'd pay $3k for that.

                                                                    [–]ZomgTheNableti7 4770k,MSI Armor 2x GTX 980Ti, 16GB HyperX Genesis IHATE 980Ti 4ポイント5ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                    4k TVs don't have to be expensive... http://i.imgur.com/xOlLRHQ.png

                                                                    [–]Greenmanzi5 3570k | GTX970 | 16GB Ram 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    We used that brand in our conference room here at work, Total piece of shit.

                                                                    [–]ZomgTheNableti7 4770k,MSI Armor 2x GTX 980Ti, 16GB HyperX Genesis IHATE 980Ti 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    It's cheap. There are better slightly more expensive options.

                                                                    [–]Greenmanzi5 3570k | GTX970 | 16GB Ram 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    When we first got them they were great but after a year both HDMI ports went, followed by the power button on the TV itself. Just cheap components.

                                                                    [–]Eddyaknowi5-4460 r9 290x 16gb 5ポイント6ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                    The thing with TVs is that you never know how the quality assurance is.

                                                                    [–]Farren246 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    With Seiki you're assured of bad quality. I'd rather get a good 40" Samsung with nice latency and black blacks and white whites and no ghosting and good back panel connectors than buy a Seiki that will look like shit, only have one HDMI port, die within a year, and have no one who speaks English in their warranty department.

                                                                    [–]coolstorybro1003i7 4790k | GTX 970 | 32GB RAM | 2x500GB SSD 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    I've had good luck with my Seiki

                                                                    [–]ZomgTheNableti7 4770k,MSI Armor 2x GTX 980Ti, 16GB HyperX Genesis IHATE 980Ti 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                    That's why you buy from amazon, they give warranty on every item they sell. You can also read the reviews...

                                                                    [–]Papa-Putin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    What's the latency on that? If it is over 20ms, might as well shove it up my ass.

                                                                    [–]PilczuSpecs/Imgur here 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    4k monitors aren't really cheap either

                                                                    [–]Broskahi7 6700K|GTX980ti|16GBs TridentZ|850WRM850i| 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    PS4 Pro can do 4K... Upscaled.

                                                                    [–]Mcmikemc1A server with a gtx 670 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    And sony will now mass produce 4k tvs for gaming...

                                                                    [–]NamelessHexeri7-6700K | GTX 980| 16GB DDR4-3200 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Yeah "4K". Ask Sony if its Native 4K! We all know the 4K Benchmarks of a RX 480! Good luck with 3840x2160 Resolution :D

                                                                    [–]LockerdSpecs/Imgur here 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    the PS4 Pro can "technically" do 4K, not 4K gaming, but proper scaling. and some very minor titles with 4k abilities and extremely low resource demand.

                                                                    [–]ace10352 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    He just said it can't do 4K 60 FPS, you'll want higher output than 30 Hz.

                                                                    [–]rocket_raccon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    It just upscales games. That's the lamest trick. Same reason people don't buy those upscaling DVD players. It's not any better.

                                                                    [–]glenheartless 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    The reason many people believe that PS4 can do 4k is because they don't understand how gaming visuals and quality works, they just compare it to movies which is very different.

                                                                    [–]Thrannn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    15 fps games. doesnt matter the human eye can just see 10fps

                                                                    [–]vegastii7-5960X@4.5GHz-32GB-Titan X-Samsung 950(512GB)-2xEVO(1TB raid0) 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    But you can do so much more with a TV, like watching linear TV with commercials every 5min.

                                                                    [–]melon_masterR9 380 4GB, i5-4690 3.5GHz, 8GB DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Damnit yahtzee, get out of my head while reading these.

                                                                    [–]gar_yl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    All it can do in 4k is going to be lacking in the UK at least.

                                                                    [–]gran172I5 4590 | Sapphire R9 380 4GB | 8GB 1600Mhz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Even if my opinion is not popular at all, a $400 console can do 4k, the Rx480 can do 4k@30fps at medium settings on pretty much 90% of the games, the only problem with these new consoles should be the CPU

                                                                    [–]schylarker4690K @ 4.6Ghz + ??? 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    but if you want to do 4k on pc, you would be paying comparable prices for hardware + monitor as well. The price comparison for 4K gaming is just not there

                                                                    [–]pox417 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    With video games you want a quality brand.

                                                                    [–]HectorCruzSuarezCore i5 6600K | 16GB DDR4 | GTX 560Ti 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    On a different topic. How much are 4k monitors?

                                                                    [–]acme76 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    You can get 4k TVs that aren´t too laggy for about 600€ in Germany.

                                                                    [–]Crowzeri5 6600K @4.3Ghz | GTX 970 | 16 GB DDR4 | 850 Evo 500| NZXT S340 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    https://www.topachat.com/pages/detail2_cat_est_tv-home-cinema_puis_rubrique_est_wh_tvled_puis_ref_est_hf10035537.html HDR TV FOR 479€.

                                                                    [–]EPURONi5 4570 @3.6GHz | Gigabyte GTX 1080 OC | HyperX Fury 16GB DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Actually a 4K TV my parents got was $7000.

                                                                    [–]IANVSi5-4670K / 8GB / 660Ti / 27" BenQ MVA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Just sit back and laugh at their 4k mosaics.

                                                                    [–]ArenjiTheLootGod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Wake me up when we get 4k hdr displays that don't cost as much as my rig and yet have incredibly high input lag.

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