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[Pre Match Thread] Manchester United vs Manchester City

• vowthyDe Gea • self.reddevils

Premier League tie between Manchester United and Manchester City

Date: 10th September

Kick off: 12:30

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Venue: Old Trafford

Channel: Sky Sports 1

Possible starting XI:

de Gea

Valencia

Bailly

Blind

Shaw

Fellaini

Pogba

Mata

Rooney

Martial

Ibrahimovic

Team news:

Man Utd:

  • Henrikh Mkhitaryan is a doubt after coming off in the first half of Armenia's defeat in the Czech Republic on 31 August, and he has since tweeted, "Not sure yet if I'll be fit for the derby, but I'm motivated as ever to put all energy to be in great shape asap!".

  • Marouane Fellaini missed the first of Belgium's two matches after hurting his back in the Hull game but he played 84 minutes of their second fixture, in Cyprus on Tuesday night.

  • Luke Shaw, meanwhile, withdrew from the England squad in Slovakia due to an ache in his calf but boss Sam Allardyce said the left-back's return to Manchester was just a precautionary measure.

Man City:

  • City's striker, Sergio Aguero, is ruled out following a three-match ban on Saturday, having been retrospectively charged with violent conduct following the win against West Ham.

Form guide:

Man Utd: WWWW

Man City: WWW

Match Facts

  • After losing the last four Premier League Manchester derbies in a row, Manchester United are unbeaten in their last three against City (W2 D1).

  • The Citizens failed to score in both Manchester derbies last season.

  • They've not failed to score in three consecutive league meetings with Man Utd since October 1995 (a run of four).

  • Manchester City could secure their 50th Manchester derby win in all competitions with victory. Manchester United have recorded 70 wins (51 draws).

  • Jose Mourinho has won just three of his 16 meetings with Pep Guardiola (D6 L7) - these wins came in La Liga & Copa Del Rey with Real Madrid & in the Champions League with Inter.

  • Manchester City won the last Manchester derby in which both clubs had new managers - 4-1 in September 2013 (Pellegrini and Moyes).

  • This is only the second time in league history that both Manchester City and Manchester United have won their opening three games in the same season. It also happened in 2011/12, when Manchester City won the league and Manchester United finished second.

  • Pep Guardiola didn't win all four his opening four league games in charge of Barcelona B, Barcelona or Bayern Munich.

  • Pep Guardiola is the first Manchester City manager to win his first five games in charge of the club, while Jose Mourinho is the first manager to win his first four games in charge of Manchester United.

  • Wayne Rooney has scored 11 goals in Manchester derbies (all comps) - more than any other player in the history of this fixture.

  • Marcus Rashford scored the winner in the Manchester derby back in March, becoming the youngest player to score in a Premier League Manchester derby (18y 141d).

  • Zlatan Ibrahimovic has scored 41 times in his 34 league games since the start of last season.

  • The suspended Sergio Aguero has had a hand in 131 goals in 153 Premier League appearances for Manchester City (105 goals, 26 assists).

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[–]StathamIsYourSaviorPaul Scholes 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

I can't see this game ending 0-0. Not at Old Trafford. All of Stones' distribution skills won't mean squat when having to deal with aerial balls to Zlatan, Fellaini and Pogba in the box. Huge responsibilities for both Shaw and Valencia on both ends of the field.

[–]VazinhoRashford 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Calling it now, Pogba scoring his first with a 30m rocket. Shaw assists Rashford for the late winner.

[–]bagombos_enough_boxFat Ronaldo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is Valencia cleared to play? Sure I read that he was a doubt

[–]marginallyOCD 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Huge responsibilities for both Shaw and Valencia on both ends of the field.

I think Shaw and Valencia is pivotal to United tomorrow. As many pundits and commentators have mentioned, Pep has set out so that his full backs move inside when they are in possession and allows Sterling/Nolito/De Bruyne to have a lot more space down the sides. This also leaves space in behind the City full backs. I think if United can exploit this with Shaw/Valencia and Martial's pace, we could get at their back 3, providing Fernandinho would slot in between the CBs, very quickly.

On the flip side, the fact that Pep set up his full backs like this means that the wingers will mostly be one-on-one with Shaw and Valencia most of the time. Here is where their defending would need to be A1.

I can't wait to see how Jose set's out the team and the tactic he deploys to combat what Pep has done or what Jose thinks Pep will do.

[–]aravindu43Pogba 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

There are chances that Rashford will get the nod over Martial given his stellar form (4 goals in 2 matches for club and country). It's difficult to ignore his current form while picking the starting XI. I think Mourinho should consider this guy over any other player on the left wing.

Other than that I expect an unchanged squad against Pep's City.

[–]stevew14 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've not seen them play on the right side... surely Martial or Rashford can play on the right wing too? I'd like to see both in the team, with either Rooney or Mata in at no 10.

[–]bagombos_enough_boxFat Ronaldo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rashford made a few appearances on the right under LVG iirc

[–]stevew14 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How did he play, I can't remember.

[–]topdog_7Martial 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

So fucking pumped for this and its at an AMAZING time for us Aussie reddevils !!

[–]pharlap1Shaw 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's also on SBS too which is great.

[–]prestog 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pity SBS Quality is rubbish. Hope the optus stream picks its game up.

[–]JayWoleMemphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rubbish? Watched the game last week and it was crystal clear. Not sure what channel you've been watching on. Edit: spelling

[–]unitedfeverRachel Riley 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just to make you jealous - All the games are at amazing times on the US East Coast.

[–]jamcheeseScholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Asia too, will be drinking at Saturday dinner with the lads :)

[–]cantshoot 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Time for Rashford to make all the City fans who wank off Iheanacho as the better striker shut the fuck up

[–]tiletFosu-Mensah 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rashford is immensely better, but Iheanacho has great potential too and I'm slightly jealous of them in that respect. That doesn't matter when we have Rashgod, though.

[–]Allard1994Good one Jose, good one. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rashford in LvGs system is the decider imo. Really restricted yet he did amazing. Now he has more freedom under Mourinho and look at him go

[–]AnledningenIngen kickar fotboll som han 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Manchester is red

[–]marginallyOCD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Blood and thunder. Attack attack attack.

[–]Rolling_TomassiShaw 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I reckon Rashford starts tomorrow. Maybe ahead of Martial, possibly Mata. There's a chance neither Martial nor Mata start, I reckon.

[–]stevew14 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The pace you could have on the wings would be amazing. Shaw and Martial on he left. Valencia and Rashford on the right. Not many full backs catching any of them.

[–]saiikkaAnd the reds go marching on 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And city doesn't have particularly fast full backs..

[–]GGMU1992Jose Mourinho 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It makes me so fucking excited to see this thread.

[–]KittensAreEvil 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Remember early Saturday kick offs are at 12:30 now and not 12:45.

[–]marginallyOCD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

13:30 for the guys over her in South Africa.

[–]moaetaMartial 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

15-0 boys

[–]Sir_Wayne_GiggsyOFFICIALLY THE BIGGEST POGBA FAN TO EVER BE A POGBA FAN 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

IM SO EXCITED. Predictions? I'm saying 2-1.

[–]walterwhitec10h15n 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope Rashford starts, probably replace Mata in the starting lineup.

[–]jamcheeseScholes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Won't be Mourinho's style but I'd like for us to really get at what is a shaky backline. Pound them with our power and height (Ibra, in-form Rooney, Pogba, Fellaini) and stretch them with pace (Rashford, Martial, Pogba... again, Shaw).

If Stones and Kolarov are your best CBs................. Hence the dilemma above. Do we look to pull them out of shape with speed behind? Or batter them with our 6 foot 5 Godbrahimovic?

[–]Kimash-sama 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looking forward to this game. A proper test. How will we deal with a team that is very good at passing, movement and pressing? Very excited.

[–]SheVeeNDe Gea 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

HYPE AF

[–]mufctezIbrahimovic 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm so scared in the sense that I have no idea how this game could go! Both ourselves and City have played 3 games each, and in all games we've both had all of the ball. We haven't had to deal with much attacking power, and either have they. This game will be decided on defensive errors in my opinion. It's going to be interesting to say the least.

[–]BP-Oil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In fact, the Southampton game possession stats were 57-43 in Southampton's favour: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37055384

[–]TudoorsScholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Set pieces. Quite adamant we'll win it off that. We just have the height advantage, Mourinho isn't afraid to play for them, I think that and the bus is our gameplan.

[–]arvindedditOnto 21. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's nearly time. Excited beyond measure! 2-1 to us.

[–]mrcharliebronson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't felt this confident for a Manchester derby since Fergie left. I can really see us doing a job on city here!

[–]craigybachaManchester United 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Should maybe add in that Valencia is a doubt due to international fixtures.

[–]fuadiansyahSir Alex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's burn them down...

[–]HighOnNicotine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't wait for us to frustrate Pep and City by playing Blind in midfield and Smalling and Bailly at centre back, knick a 1-0 win with a Zlatan header.

[–]CveinMemphis & Martial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's almost live!

[–]RVPBuiltMyHotrod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Crucial game obviously, not only for the 3 pts, but also to send a message. 2-0, Rooney and Zlatan. Mourinho and Pep shake hands. Zlatan and Pep don't.

[–]cletusVD -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fuck me I'm working tomorrow.

[–]suehaScholes -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Me too. What's your plan? I'm thinking about going fully offline until I can watch the whole match without spoilers in the evening.

[–]cletusVD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thinking about grabbing my dad's iPad and stream it. Might not be able to watch the whole thing but that'll have to do.