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[–]flappers87i7 4790k, 16GB 1600, GTX970 Strix 133ポイント134ポイント  (9子コメント)

"Maxing out" - so maxing out includes upscaling 900p to 1080p?

Holy crap, then my 1080p 144hz monitor must be some unique piece of hardware... because the last time I checked, my monitor seems to be capable of displaying natively rendered 1080p... Also allows me to see rendering done at 4k if I want, only downscaled to fit in the screen.

Incredible! I bet my TV (that apparently seems to be abnormal, according to Sony), must be worth a fortune!

[–]zombie2uRBXR9 390, 32 DDR3, i5 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

If we could ask questions during these press conventions that would make half of the bullshit go away

[–]Dylan_czFX 6300 | GTX 660 | 8 GB 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then the questions allowed would be decided before the conference, so they don't get called on their bullshit.

[–]zombie2uRBXR9 390, 32 DDR3, i5 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, afterwards, they have to answer questions with representatives from different top consumer stores, Micro Center, Steam, Best Buy, Gamestop, etc.. Steam has to be asked questions by Sony, Microsoft, etc.. People have to question what is truth or not or we will get this constant influx of "I will lie and no one will care because no one will question me in front of the hundreds of thousands of uneducated people watching me"

[–]The_Potato_God99Asus R9 290 DirectCU II OC|i5 4440| Asroch H97| 8GB of Ram 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is probably what it would look like if anyone could ask any question...

[–]zombie2uRBXR9 390, 32 DDR3, i5 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/51mygz/playstation_making_a_interesting_claim/d7dkurt

Only have big names ask questions, each spot checking one another, publicly.

[–]3aglSloth Masterrace | U PC, Bro? | http://pcpartpicker.com/p/r7NKFT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Playing a little bit of devil's advocate... those are children and uninformed people... I think what we are looking for here is a more intelligent discussion.

Children at these kinds of events wouldn't be as technically literate as professionals from other companies or well informed enthusiasts. The latter attendees would pose similar questions to what we're doing now, asking when they will cut the crap, etc.

[–]mattmonkey24i5 6600k, 16GB DDR4, 980ti SC, Win 10, triple monitor 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm fairly certain your graphics card actually does the downscaling from 4k to 1080p

[–]PlzbanmebronyMachine is broken. Using some POS brand labtop. 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Funny thing is most TVs have a very high refresh rate. My mother's does 144hz for some reason.

[–]t12totalxyzb00i5 4670 | MSI GTX 970 4G | 8 GB RAM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fluked, they count the quality of the motion blur.

[–]msbr_1440p 144hz, i7 6700k 4ghz, 16gb ddr4, r9 390x, ssd 63ポイント64ポイント  (0子コメント)

My 1440p 144hz monitor would make his brain melt then, Christ.

[–]jrizz43i5 6600K - GTX 1070 - 16GB - jrizz43 49ポイント50ポイント  (11子コメント)

its why he specifically said 1080 "TVS" because he doesn't want to admit the fact that there are 1080p 144hz or ultrawide 1080p monitors

[–]TrymWSi7-5820k | MSI GTX980Ti Lightning | 16GB RAM 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

PS4 still doesn't max out what you can do with 1080p@60hz, though.

[–]DaktushAMD Fx-8350 | Sapphire R9-290 Tri-X | 8Gb DDr3 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

In most cases not even 1080/30 sadly

[–]Scottz0rz 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's also why he said they're "pretty much" maxing out what they can do.

[–]-Nonou-You don't want to know 39ポイント40ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes it is going to be able to play games at native 4k just like PS4 can play games at native 1080p@60fps

[–]DaktushAMD Fx-8350 | Sapphire R9-290 Tri-X | 8Gb DDr3 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

get ready for some upscaled 1239p

[–]3aglSloth Masterrace | U PC, Bro? | http://pcpartpicker.com/p/r7NKFT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What are you, insane?!?! no TV could ever handle that kind of resolution!!!

[–]joshmaaaaaaansMY POST WAS PROBABLY SARCASTIC FFS 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

Entire presentation*

*at 30 FPS.

[–]Ruthus1998Asus Strix GTX 970/AMD FX-6300/HyperX 16GB @1866Mhz/CX500M 80+ 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being recorded with the kinect**

[–]Captain__Qwarki7 4720HQ/8gb RAM/ Gtx 960m/ no ssd :( 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to seem pedantic, but I watched it at 1080/60

[–]TradiGlitchProcessor Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G2030T @ 2.60GHz Video Card 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you Sony, for making the transition from PS4 to PC easier for me.

[–]nguyenmi7-4790k | R9 290 4gb | 16gb RAM 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Brothers and Sisters ...... When talking about the brand "Playstation" or "Xbox", we would have to massively downgrade our expectation and accept the reality that no amount Harambe memes would make them understand what they have been missing out, even on 1080p.

PS4 Pro's GPU is effectively a variant of the RX480. So we all can already see how this '4k' trend will falter. Y'all ready for dem cinematic 24fps?

[–]Creston2 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, at least it's better than the hd 6000 or whatever is in the ps4, pc for life tho

[–]3aglSloth Masterrace | U PC, Bro? | http://pcpartpicker.com/p/r7NKFT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dicks out for Sony?

[–]eaglesfan2445 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

This dude is so creepy

[–]Sauronmordor756i5 6600k, GTX 1070, 8 GB 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

For a second I thought he was on Helium.

[–]eaglesfan2445 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Same dude lol

[–]ZarCsStudent 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can we not insult people based on things they can't change and just critize the things he is saying? Appreciated.

[–]ShinyGurrenPantherAtNight | i5 4690K | MSI GTX980Ti | Z97 Extreme6(( 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This asking the internet to not be the internet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–]CorruptedFilesi7 4790K/G1 GTX 980Ti | HTPC: 860K/MSI 970 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He looks frightened and really insecure

[–]ChadiusTheBadi5 6600K / GTX 1070 / ASUS Z170A / X61 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Correction: With Playstation 4, we're pretty much maxing out what 900p 30hz tvs can do with most games. Gamers and developers alike are always hunting for ways to heighten their gameplay experiences. Which is why we're excited about up-scaled 4k at terrible frame rates and a technology that isn't available in a quality product for less than $1000 yet, or "HDR". 4k can deliver a level of detail and visual precision that's unprecedented on consoles.

Should have made a 1080p 60hz capable console instead and explained why it's actually an improvement instead of feed your customers a bunch of wordy bs.

[–]Lyco0n3770k 4.4 GHz 980 ti G1 gaming, 1440p144Hz+Vive 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

U DID WHAT ahahahahaha Maxed WHAT? net fucking flix? ahahahahahahaha, that is enough reddit for today...

[–]adonhitFX 8350 GTX 970 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

Can someone explain to me how this works exactly ? Is it true 4K or some kind of scaling ?

[–]Jako81624Win10 | GTX 970 | FX 8350 | GTX 760 | 12GB DDR3 + HP DL785 G5 15ポイント16ポイント  (8子コメント)

Temporal Upscaling afaik, the same tech used to make the Killzone MP run in technically 1080p. The one they got sued for anyway. Don't quote me though :P

[–]QuoteMe-Bot 37ポイント38ポイント  (7子コメント)

Temporal Upscaling afaik, the same tech used to make the Killzone MP run in technically 1080p. The one they got sued for anyway. Don't quote me though :P

~ /u/Jako81624

[–]b_fnkRIP Valve 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

And here I thought we've seen it all. But don't quote me on that!

[–]QuoteMe-Bot 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

And here I thought we've seen it all. But don't quote me on that!

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[–]b_fnkRIP Valve 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hahaaaa, I LOVE this bot

[–]_Commanderi5-6600k, GTX 1060 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Quote me

[–]b_fnkRIP Valve 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Quote me

Don't you dare tell me what to do!!!

[–]wafflenut 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

r/madlads

[–]DaktushAMD Fx-8350 | Sapphire R9-290 Tri-X | 8Gb DDr3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Either true 4k with graphics that will look like Lego Island, slightly better ones at 30fps + dips (graphics worse than those that manage to pull off 1080/60 on consoles still) or yes, hard upscaling.

[–]Ruthus1998Asus Strix GTX 970/AMD FX-6300/HyperX 16GB @1866Mhz/CX500M 80+ -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Super sampling

[–]Tereliusi5-4690K | GTX 660 | 8GB RAM 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

I actually started laughing loudly a little during school when he said, "We're pretty much maxing out 1080p with PS4."

[–]CashRockThunderBeast 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

no you didn't.

[–]Tereliusi5-4690K | GTX 660 | 8GB RAM 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well let's switch uncontrollably to loudly. That sounds more accurate.

[–]madelamaza 5ポイント6ポイント  (23子コメント)

How to fuck can you have 4.2 teraflops with a shity cpu overclocked and still have 4k? I don't fucking understand please explain

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD 5ポイント6ポイント  (18子コメント)

Might get hate for this, but 4k 30fps is still in reach, my oc'd 970 does 4k 30fps fine without aa often maxed out on a lot of games. The important thing here is that unlike pc, the ps4 doesn't use dx11, rather a vulkan like api, which coupled with the polaris/vega mixed gpu they're using, should give more desirable results than if the same gpu were running vulkan/dx12 on pc, due to the fact they can focus on a single piece of metal. And tbf, they did say that you do have the option to not play at 4k, and instead at a 1080p with higher settings etc

[–]stride630i5 6600k / 16GB ram / 980 ti 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Your using a really good cpu with your GTX 970. The PS4 pro is going to use a extremely weak amd 8 core cpu with a gpu thats not even as powerful as the GTX 970.

[–]Pie_Flavoured_Piei7-3770k | gtx 970 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey quick question seeing you're talking about this specific topic. How do you define if a CPU is weak? Is it based on GHz? Is it based on the model? I'm pretty knowledgeable about computers however whenever I see the whole "this cpu is strong or this cpu is weak" argument I get confused. Mostly with amd processors because I have a better grasp or Intel cpus.

[–]stride630i5 6600k / 16GB ram / 980 ti 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

GHz, architecture, model and maker. Intel cores perform much better than AMD cores at the same GHz (AMD's Zen is coming out soon so it might change). Newer models of the same architecture tend to perform better than the older models at the same GHz. And new architectures tend to perform better than the older architectures at the same GHz.

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD -2ポイント-1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Shouldn't be an issue, CPU bottlenecks are rarely an occurrence on console for the sheer fact the CPU is actually used to it's best on all 8 cores unlike PC, and the low level api of the PS4 takes care of a lot of this, the same results are reflected on PC too with Vulkan and DX12, we've seen how CPU overhead is drastically improved. It should also be noted that technically they can achieve greater performance with the api than a PC could with the same specs thanks to the fact the api is built for one and one spec only. Also, they did give the Pro a CPU overclock, and from the way things are, everything correlates with the specs DigitalFoundry provided prior to the announcement, an already highly reputable source. It should be around 2.5GHz iirc, the CPU is still hardly great compared to many many PC's, but it really shouldn't be an issue in this case. The Xbox One has had a tad bit faster variant of the same CPU in the PS4, but yet it's hardly ever shown benefits, only the beefier GPU in the PS4 has, which alone indicated the CPU wasn't a bottleneck to begin with. I know this is a long essay lol, but I hope it makes sense and helps clear things up.

[–]leandrro 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

when i set my gtx660 + i5-2400 to ps4 settings on Battlefield 4 i get 100-140 fps (versus 45-60 on ps4), not because my 660 is better than the ps4 gpu, its because my 5 years old i5-2400 is 2x faster than the 8 tablet cores and all their to the metal optimization

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nobody outside of Dice know exactly what settings the PS4 runs it at. Curiously, what settings did you run it at?

[–]leandrro 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

we have a lot of evidence to check every aspect, digital foundry also spends lots of time on it, but anyone playing it on pc and ps4 knows its below high settings and 900p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUlcHiXY0cQ&t=2m15s

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting, not doubting you, I actually own BF4 on all platforms lol, but I feel like mesh quality and post processing at the very least should be set higher, as well as maybe one or two more. I'm pretty sure digitalfoundry did an article a couple years ago detailing what they believe to be the settings the ps4 ran it at.

[–]stride630i5 6600k / 16GB ram / 980 ti 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

In Hitman, Xbox One was actually beating the PS4 in some areas because it had a more powerful cpu, which proves that the cpu was bottlenecking the gpu. video here Edit: Also, Assassins Creed Unity

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hitman fair enough, but with AC Unity not so sure, Ubishit had a deal with Microsoft for that game, and it ran like shit on everything, even a 5960x couldn't run it well.

[–]leandrro 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

here is another cpu bound title, my 2011's cpu gets almost 2x ps4 performance with better settings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6iBvSxrQsw

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But that game runs noticeably better on PS4 compared to Xbox One though, as seen on digitalfoundry's video

[–]deletedfromexistence 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a Unity game. Unity doesn't support multiple cores very well so it's slower on the PS4 because its CPU's strength is its amount of cores. All Unity games have issues on console, this is Unity's fault tho because they didn't optimize the engine

[–]axlcriusi7 4770k, 780ti, 16gb ram 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

last time i checked 970 is about the same power as 780ti, and from experience i can tell it has at least 2x teraflops.

addendum. checked teraflops

ps4 gpu has 1.84 teraflops

780ti has 5 teraflops

970 has 4 teraflops

ofc these doesn't correlate directly into performance but it should give some info.

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

TFlops constitute to computational performance and can only be compared to one another GPU's that are of the same architecture, so in this case the comparison is pointless. After overclocking my 970 which i've run for 2 years now, I've calculated using the equation for calculating compute performance in flops, that mine is just over 5TFlops, though as I said, it means nothing in this case.

[–]leandrro 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

https://i.imgur.com/oBygQH7.png

[–]vatrakk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As he said, you can't compare Tflops like that.

A Fury X is 2.5 Tflops more than a a 980Ti and we all know the actual results in gaming benchmarks.

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You literally can't compare the 2 just like that, you're forgetting that the PS4 runs a low level api like vulkan designed for that hardware alone, and the fact that we don't even know if it's an RX 480, Sony said in there conference that there GPU is Polaris based but borrows feats from Vega too. Not to forget that's one game that's not even out for the normal PS4, but funnily enough they actually showed that game of on the Pro during the conference, and it was seemingly running better than that.

[–]luisolis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is how

[–]finalgear14i5 4690k@4.5, GTX 980 ti, HTC VIVE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bumping up the resolution has very little hinging on the power of the cpu for performance. If they can get 1080p 30fps with enough gpu headroom to reach 4k, then it would work fine.

[–]MarshalMazdaFX 8320 4.8GHz, R9 290X x2, 16GB DDR3 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Upscaled.

[–]MrPeligro 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is jesus christ upscaling it?

[–]motodoto 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean they are saying "4k" but what they mean is faux-4k upscaling and when they say "60 fps" it's for sure going to be 24 with occasional 60.

[–]OfficialJsPI7 4790k | GTX770 | 16GB RAM | NZXT S340 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thing is people believe this guy what a bunch of sheep.

[–]Beozonte 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because of morons like this that the peasants keep saying so many stupid things.

[–]KingsBladeNo. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

4k is a meme. The difference between 1080p and 4k from the couch is so minimal that I'd rather have 60fps 1080p over 30fps 4k.

[–]Vurondotron 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate how they kept saying 4K this, 4K that but not mention that the PS4 is not able to output 4K but upscale their games to 4K. There's a big difference to that. Also to point out the fact that online games will be the same in terms of performance is really unfair to those who upgrade to the Pro. Then that means there's no reason to upgrade to the Pro if that's the case with some. Sad thing is the general consumer will eat this up and not realize a damn thing.

[–]Dazza477Intel Core i5 4690K - MSI GTX 970 4G - Asus Z97K - 6GB DDR3 4ポイント5ポイント  (13子コメント)

They claimed that the new PS4 Pro will have double the GPU power.

The original had a modified Radeon 7870, so surely the new one would have similar performance to a PC running Crossfire 7870s?

According to benchmarks, CF 7870s are equivalent to a GTX 970 in raw power.

So surely it wouldn't be that far-fetched to expect a PS4 Pro to be able to output games at 4K 30FPS?

[–]MrPeligro 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Until we know, its fair to posit it as bullshit claim. All for 400 dollars, coupled in with a controller and other things? How much is sony/amd losing on each console sold?

Just to give some perspective, this is BF1 minimum specs https://www.battlefield.com/games/battlefield-1/tech

Here's another frostbite game

RECOMMENDED: OS: Windows® 10 64-Bit (use the latest Service Pack) CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 at 3.4 GHz / AMD FX-8350 at 4.0 GHz RAM: 16 GB HARD DRIVE: At least 25 GB of free space VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce® GTX 970 4GB or better / AMD Radeon™ R9 280x 3GB or better INPUT: Keyboard and mouse, dual analog controller

[–]Popingheads 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

All for 400 dollars, coupled in with a controller and other things? How much is sony/amd losing on each console sold?

A few years ago news stories were going around that AMD sold their SoCs (CPU/GPU chip) to the console manufacturers for about $100 (and made decent profit on it). That leaves $300 left for the PCB, RAM, case, etc plus manufacturing costs.

I don't see any problem with Sony being able to build at 4k 30fps console for under $400. They may not make almost any profit on it, indeed the profit margin of the current PS4 at launch was assumed to be only $20, but it isn't a huge money sink in any way.

[–]CashRockThunderBeast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously? a i3-6100 doesn't even meet the minimum requirements for bf1? Kinda weird how cpu intensive that game seems to be.

[–]MrPeligro 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is mirror's edge a frostbite game running at majority medium settings Texture, motion blur, and postprocessing are turned to high. This thing can't even keep 30 locked. Its jumping everywhere. That's with a better CPU.

[–]UAC_DeltaCompanyi5-4690, GTX 970, 12GB DDR3 RAM, 4K Monitor, HTC Vive 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes and no. Depends on what youre aiming for, i'm running native 4K on my 970 and it sputters and struggles on modern games. Tried Doom, and struggled hard. 30fps is a 100% given outside of fights, but held pretty stable to 30fps in fights though(this is around medium settings, which I assume is what the console is aiming for). It's not far-fetched, but there are lots of "if"s in question. I know that if it is at that point, in the years following its release, they will switch to upscaled 4k due to increasing game demands.

[–]Beozonte 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The CPU is the same. There's no magic yet to make that crap cpu not bottleneck the hell of any gpu.

[–]Jordanakos92GTX 970 / 2500k 4.4Ghz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Medium 4k30fps is possible I think.

[–]Carly_is_cool| Phenom II X6 | GTX 560 | 12GB DDR3 | 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Digital Foundry's video explain the ps4 pro gpu power, comparing it to a rx 480, it looks quite accurate

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Might get hate for this, but 4k 30fps is still in reach, my oc'd 970 does 4k 30fps fine without aa often maxed out on a lot of games. The important thing here is that unlike pc, the ps4 doesn't use dx11, rather a vulkan like api, which coupled with the polaris/vega mixed gpu they're using, should give more desirable results than if the same gpu were running vulkan/dx12 on pc, due to the fact they can focus on a single piece of metal. And tbf, they did say that you do have the option to not play at 4k, and instead at a 1080p with higher settings etc

[–]Brightinly_i5-4690k/GTX970/PNY480GbSSD 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

ಠ_ಠ

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What am I supposed to be looking at, I feel stupid

[–]Brightinly_i5-4690k/GTX970/PNY480GbSSD 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

4 matches, this guy has been copy pasting this thing all over the place.

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh right, yeah ahaha, just easier tbh. Different people asking the same stuff everywhere

[–]DiamondEeveei5 6400 with a crying EVGA GTX 950 FTW ACX 2.0 Ultimate DX DLC 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

the xbone S can do 4K Blu-Ray

the xbone scorpio will probably have 4K Blu-rays

your move sony!

(off topic question: is there a 4K Blu-ray drive available for PCs yet???)

[–]wngmvi5-6600k/GTX980Ti/16GB RAM -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

according to review this one does.

At the cost of 1 year PS+/XBLG subscription.

[–]DiamondEeveei5 6400 with a crying EVGA GTX 950 FTW ACX 2.0 Ultimate DX DLC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

LOL

IT'S CALLED "FIRSTCOM"

THE FIRST ONE TO MAKE A 4K BLU-RAY DRIVE LOL

[–]CoolMoon_FX-8300, GTX 960 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So there isn't much changing? .... I'll keep my potato station and money thank you.

[–]TinyKappaSpecs/Imgur here 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I genuinely loled

[–]Xatencio00 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't help but this sudden push to "mainstream" 4K gaming is a complete and utter waste. It's a niche aspect of PC gaming and only on huge monitors that you sit a few feet from or closer. I don't ever see it being standard in the average person's living room where you sit 8 feet away on a couch.

[–]DirtyPoul2500K@5GHz + R9 290 watercooled 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why are console developers so obsessed with resolution and graphics? Why not finally move up to 60 fps? We got that shit on PC in the 90's, and the consoles still can't deliver it regularly. I'd much rather play PS3 quality graphics at 60 fps than PS4 quality graphics at 30 fps. Any brother would be able to confirm this, so how come the peasants are oblivious? This is basic stuff guys...

[–]SupremeMystique 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Can someone give me an unbiased explanation on what 4K hdr is? Is it similar to up-scaling/down-scaling? Do PC's have HDR?

[–]ChadiusTheBadi5 6600K / GTX 1070 / ASUS Z170A / X61 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

A 4K TV has a panel with a 3840x2160 resolution. A 4k HDR tv is the same resolution, but MUCH brighter and can produce a much larger color gamut. With a broader range of colors, if done correctly, content can be produced to display closer to what you would see in real life as opposed to a traditional hd monitor. Hope that helps!

[–]SupremeMystique 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ya but how is PS4 Neo running games at 4k?

[–]Moofersi7 4770K, z87 Sabertooth, 8GB DDR3, EVGA 780Ti Classified 3GB 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not, it's upscaling 1080p and filling the space by stretching the image.

[–]SupremeMystique 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

can't you do that with any gaming console? It's just upscaling right?

[–]ChadiusTheBadi5 6600K / GTX 1070 / ASUS Z170A / X61 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Correct. As an example, if you take an image that's 1920x1080 pixels, then enlarge it to 3840x2160, you're still technically looking at a 4K image due to its resolution. But the image was captured at 1920x1080 originally so the software used to enlarge it created new pixels between the original pixels to make it look as natural as possible. This would be considered "upscaling".

[–]SupremeMystique 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then why is this listed as a new feature of PS4 Pro? This is just regular upscaling of 1080p on to 4k display. You can do this with a PS4.

[–]ChadiusTheBadi5 6600K / GTX 1070 / ASUS Z170A / X61 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The PS4 Plus will actually be outputting at 4k. When you go into your settings on ps4 you will see the max video output setting at 1920x1080, on the ps4 plus there will be a 4k option (just like the XB1S) So expect sharper menus, 4k streaming video, and yes.. games upscaled by the ps4 Plus instead of your tv. I'm sure it will still be better than playing a regular ps4 on a 4k tv.. but in my opinion not worth going out and buying a new $400 playstation just to stream some video when 90% of the 4k tvs out there right now are smart tvs with all the video apps built into them. Sony royally f'd up by not including a 4k bluray player in the ps4 plus, which they INVENTED... even the XB1S has that.

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GTX 970: 4K ▷ Mirror's Edge Catalyst (FRAME-RATE TEST) - Skylake i7 6700K 5 - This is mirror's edge a frostbite game running at majority medium settings Texture, motion blur, and postprocessing are turned to high. This thing can't even keep 30 locked. Its jumping everywhere. That's with a better CPU.
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[–]sgtpepper901GTX 780 Ti Classified/2500k OC'd/1TB SSD (I like purple) 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think people realize that he just said it is unprecedented. Like what? 4K has been on PC.

[–]TheAllbrotherWaiting for Zen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So... slideshows at 4k? Sounds nice

[–]PraiseOLDENupBselect 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how they try to show us the benefits of 4K on a 1080p maximum video.

[–]Apocalypse2k16i7 6700k @ 4.0GHz | 16GB DDR4 3600MHz | R9 390 | 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

wait so, is ps4 pro = ps4 neo?

[–]zeroax1s980 / Fx 8350 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read that as CringeStation...

[–]Haaselh0ffCore i7-4790K @ 4.6 Ghz // R9 390 // 16GB DDR3-1866 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

HDR? Isn't that that thing Valve did back in 2004 with Lost Coast?

[–]deletedfromexistence 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope. That's something else. Look up 4K HDR.

[–]GenkiElitemsi GTX970, 4790K, 16GB ram, 480GB SSD, 1TB 7200rpm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Pretty much"

[–]Avvikkei5-4690k / MSI R9 390 8gb / MSI Z97A Krait / LG 34UM95-P 21:9 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do you call 3440x1440...

[–]gloveman90i5-4690k, PCS+ r9 390, 8GB 1.6Ghz RAM, 700GB's of SSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

HDR... Valve had that out with HL2 : Lost Coast.

[–]MarshalMazdaFX 8320 4.8GHz, R9 290X x2, 16GB DDR3 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Different type of HDR.

[–]666jetAMD FX-8320@4.3GHz, AMD Fury X, 16GB Ram 60GB ssd 4TB HDD 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

has been a amd thing for years now though

[–]SoapKittySpecs/Imgur here -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Report Sony to the FTC!

https://www.ftc.gov/faq/consumer-protection/submit-consumer-complaint-ftc

[–]Wafflecopter77i7-3770/GTX1070/16GB DDR3 -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

Why?

[–]SoapKittySpecs/Imgur here -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

For making a false claim about PS's maxing out 1080p monitors.

EDIT UPDATE: I don't get this sub. Why are ppl commenting on this post and discussing it? Then when someone (like me) suggests the next logical step, ppl seem to get upset with me?

[–]Wafflecopter77i7-3770/GTX1070/16GB DDR3 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't get this sub. Why are ppl commenting on this post and discussing it. Then when someone (like me) suggests the next logical step, ppl seem to get upset with me?

It's because this isn't a logical step. It's illogical and very stupid.

[–]SoapKittySpecs/Imgur here -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why is it illogical and very stupid?

[–]Wafflecopter77i7-3770/GTX1070/16GB DDR3 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

With PS4, we're pretty much maxing out what 1080 TVs can do with most games.

This is not misleading. This is not fraud. Notice that they're not saying "We are maxing out what 1080 TV's can do", they're saying "We're pretty much maxing out what 1080 TV's can do". "Pretty much" can mean anything from "We are" to "We're sort of close".

Besides, it could also be argued on Sony's part that this was a research error.

[–]MrPeligro -3ポイント-2ポイント  (20子コメント)

They also claim they will be bringing HDR via firmware update. Do they really thing people are this stupid to believe what they are saying? They also claim the PS4 pro will have 4k gaming and shown off a mass effect gameplay trailer supposedly in 4k running natively on the PS4 pro.

Come on sony. Why the fuck you lying?

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

HDR has been a thing with AMD for years now, there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to.

Might get hate for this, but 4k 30fps is still in reach, my oc'd 970 does 4k 30fps fine without aa often maxed out on a lot of games. The important thing here is that unlike pc, the ps4 doesn't use dx11, rather a vulkan like api, which coupled with the polaris/vega mixed gpu they're using, should give more desirable results than if the same gpu were running vulkan/dx12 on pc, due to the fact they can focus on a single piece of metal. And tbf, they did say that you do have the option to not play at 4k, and instead at a 1080p with higher settings etc

[–]MrPeligro 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

I reserve judgement on that. With video games, its seeing than actually believing. Until its at retail, I don't know what the truth is. Here's a video of a frostbite game running at 4k. with a better cpu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTKEJCvCdCI I don't know man. I think it'll bullshit. We'll see. I don't think you can get something equivalent to a 970 or a little lower than that for base price for a console.

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

They already said it's using a mix of the AMD Polaris arc and even some Vega stuff, it should be around RX 480 power, and with the api the PS4 uses which is comparable to Vulkan as I said before, on paper it does seem capable. DigitalFoundry are a great reputable source for the Neo hardware and they discuss it in much detail. The important thing to remember is that Sony aren't buying chips from AMD the same way us guys do, they work closely togethor, and given the fact that they can buy in bulk, and that the PS4 is undoubtably one of AMD's better sources of income, as well as the fact that it doesn't cost AMD much more or less between developing different GPU dies. Similar to Intel, a Pentium could be an i7 with some bad bits disabled, just because the GPU seems beefy doesn't mean they couldn't somehow get it out there for a good price.

[–]MrPeligro 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

We will see when the console releases. Until then, we're left to speculate. We have no specs to base our analysis on. Only vagueness of sony's statements.

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Except the vague things they said only point to one direction, i.e a 480 like GPU, which just so happens to perfectly correlate to what DigitalFoundry reported on regarding the dev kit they had seen, and DigitalFoundry has been regarded as one of the best sources of info

[–]MrPeligro 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not questioning DF. I'm questioning sony.

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

DigitalFoundry had seen Sony's specs prior. They explained in detail in their videos, it's worth a watch. Everything Sony said has been in the boundaries of what we've known for a while now.

[–]MrPeligro 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can you send me a link?I've watched their neo videos. They fully admit they don't have the full specs and some of its speculation and they won't know until the full specs were revealed.

I'm watching this one right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTn1BVOLLxA

[–]Asianat0ri7 4790k 4.6GHz GTX970 OC 1530MHz/7.8GHz 16GB RAM 128GB SSD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's in there somewhere, I know they hadn't seen the full ones, but most notably they've seen some of the most important specs, which conviniently coincide with what Sony spoke of today, along with what they speculated based on what they knew

[–]shotgun883GTX1070 i5 6600K 16Gb RAM 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Activision guy said they could run 4K at COD's normal 60Fps... 1080's struggle to maintain that on Ultra. Not a fucking Chance.

[–]motodoto 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

HDR 10bit via firmware update is feasible. It's not a chip like Dolby Vision, it's all software.

[–]MrPeligro 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ok, then I stand corrected on that, still think 4k gaming for $400 dollars is bullshit.

[–]motodoto 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

It is. It will be upsampled 4k, basically like that crappy thing Nvidia rolled out (forgot what it's called) where it takes 1080p and upsamples it by making it all fuzzy. It's certainly not real 4k.

[–]MrPeligro 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

DSR?

[–]motodoto 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah that. It's gotta be something similar to that. DSR is like the opposite of what they would do for the ps4 though.

[–]obedear__i5 4460 | R9 390 | 8 GB 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So could my 390 get HDR support in a driver update?

[–]motodoto 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure of the specifics. I'm talking the principle in conceptual terms.