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[–]dank44 104 points105 points106 points  (37 children)
I still dont get the whole reason for doing this. Is there someone here who agrees with this? If so, please explain why.
[–]daisywondercow 42 points43 points44 points  (1 child)
So, I don't know if it's an answer to this, but I feel like it will help- this is a This American Life article from earlier this year. It puts an oddly human face on the whole thing, while keeping it alien and disturbing.
[–]um_yeahok 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Just read the transcript. Really powerful story.
[–]energymisdirected 69 points70 points71 points  (28 children)
I assume that with no clitoris a woman is less likely to stray from her husband to seek sexual satisfaction, or to have sex before marriage.
[–]zurnout 56 points57 points58 points  (21 children)
But how does it help with male sexual weakness?
[–]tothecatmobile 76 points77 points78 points  (2 children)
He's making fun of men who support FGM, saying they're too sexually inept to be able to handle a regular woman.
[–]tsukinoki 37 points38 points39 points  (12 children)
Probably because their twisted logic is along the lines of:
"If we do FGM and it prevents the women from seeking out sex or enjoying it then they won't try to tempt the males into sex which solves the problem! If they aren't being tempted it won't matter that they're weak, right? After all, even if the men are weak its the womans fault for tempting them."
At least that's as far as I can guess with how they could possibly be thinking.
[–]green_flash 51 points52 points53 points  (4 children)
Have you read the article? That's not what he meant by "weak". He's saying Egyptian men don't have the sexual stamina to satisfy a woman with a functioning clitoris.
[–]Hammonkey [score hidden]  (1 child)
By that same logic they should be cutting the mens dicks off.
[–]buster_de_beer 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
Fgm is not one procedure but a variety of different ones with different effects. One of the more serious ones involves sewing the vagina shut, but this may well leave all pleasure centers intact. It's a stupid practice with possibly serious consequences, but it's also embraced by women. Making it purely a men's issue ignores the reality. It's also not an individual issue. The whole community is involved and pressure to conform is great. A deep cultural shift will have to happen for this to stop.
[–]diatom15 43 points44 points45 points  (3 children)
Yeah no. The pleasure centers are not left intact. The main source of stimulation comes from the clitoris. The type you speak of where they sew the woman close also involves removal of the labia and clitoris. What they end up with is a non lubricated cavity that gives nothing but painful intercourse, painful urination and painful birth along with recurring infections. The women who suffer and then make their daughters suffer are fucking insane to me.
[–]DrBoomkin 12 points13 points14 points  (4 children)
Because he says that Egyptian men are impotent and can't satisfy their women.
[–]LucyWalker46 1828 points1829 points1830 points  (350 children)
Fucking savages - how about we chop their balls off, without the testosterone they wouldn't have any "sexual weakness"
[–]Bman409 459 points460 points461 points  (112 children)
i was thinking the same thing.. i don't understand how cutting up the women's genitals is going to make the men stronger. .
[–]Rupispupis 665 points666 points667 points  (77 children)
It won't. FGM does not prevent sex, just prevents the woman from enjoying it.
[–]JoeHook 300 points301 points302 points  (7 children)
If I can't make you orgasm, no one can!
[–]runfromthemasses 26 points27 points28 points  (2 children)
often the end result is more than just an inability to orgasm or pleasure, but also life long pain
[–]Marimba_Ani 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
And often infection. And re-infection.
[–]DangZagnut 132 points133 points134 points  (9 children)
They should do it the more western, civilized way. I've been told repeatedly that sex with me prevents women from enjoying it. Maybe I'm the secret non-surgical weapon in the war against FGM.
[–]mrjackspade 15 points16 points17 points  (8 children)
Disgustingly enough, it depends on the extent of the genital mutilation.
If you're talking about the removal of the clitoris then that can make it significantly less enjoyable. Other forms of FGM will effectively prevent sex however, by completely sewing the vagina closed and leaving only an opening for the urethra and menstration
The latter is understandably an effective deterrent
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    [–]Rioghasarig 222 points223 points224 points  (37 children)
    I think a lot of people are reading this as a way to stop rape but it has nothing to do with that. Sexual weakness refers to lack of libido. He's saying the men of Egypt would not be able to satisfy a woman with a high libido.
    I really wish people would read more carefully before jumping to conclusions. I'm not defending FGM I'm just saying you, and many others, do not seem to understand the meaning of the statements made.
    [–]One_red_boot 146 points147 points148 points  (12 children)
    This is it. They are pathetic pieces of shit who mutilate for their own pleasure. Screw them. Garbage wastes of life. All of them who do this thinking it"s "helping the women". Monsters all of them.
    [–]Flomo420 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
    Those poor souls would live a life of anguish; their whole lives unable to be satisfied by such inadequate men... it's an act of compassion! /s
    [–]Aries1502 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    I agree those women's grandmothers, mothers and aunts are monsters for cutting the genitals of those babies. (FGM is usually performed by a group of elderly women)
    [–]Tex_Az 1 point2 points3 points  (8 children)
    As male who had the most sensitive area of my penis cut off, I feel for these women. It should be aginst the law to chop on anyone's genatialla without their consent.
    [–]Oldamog 19 points20 points21 points  (2 children)
    Maybe the dudes would be more interested if the girls were enjoying the experience too. I know I am
    [–]HandsOnGeek 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    I think that they're trying to cut down the number of guys interested in having sex with the woman. As in down to one guy.
    In the absolute worst way possible.
    [–]dbx99 16 points17 points18 points  (7 children)
    I would want the women to have enhanced libido. This would make it easier to get laid. Maybe they would look beyond my ugly ugly face because they are blinded with horniness.
    [–]jedify 7 points8 points9 points  (6 children)
    Is it possible he's trying to shame the men into ending this by calling them weak?
    [–]fuzzy11287 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
    Yes, and I'm pretty sure that got lost in translation. Or the author thought writing it this way would get more clicks.
    [–]Seetherrr 17 points18 points19 points  (3 children)
    Ya, and 9/11 was committed because Osama really just wanted America to be united as a populace again.
    [–]jedify 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    Except this is an Egyptian MP speaking. And it's been illegal for nearly a decade.
    [–]DrBoomkin 121 points122 points123 points  (13 children)
    This has nothing to do with rape or assault. Read the article next time.
    The guy says the exact opposite. That Egyptian men are impotent and therefore the women's libido needs to be lowered as well.
    [–]Risley 53 points54 points55 points  (11 children)
    Lmfao, then he is certifiably retarded.
    [–]Spooky-skeleton 63 points64 points65 points  (10 children)
    You missed it again, he is mocking the men that they are sexually weak, so women have to get FGM
    [–]kent_eh 8 points9 points10 points  (9 children)
    men that they are sexually weak, so women have to get FGM
    Which is a completely retarded notion.
    As the person you replied to suggested.
    [–]goodnames679 [score hidden]  (2 children)
    It is, but he's literally saying "guys we get it you're fucking incompetent and that's why you want FGM done"
    He's mocking the entire notion of FGM as a whole and saying it's a stupid thing that could only become a problem in a nation of sexually incompetent men. Read the actual article.
    [–]kent_eh 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Which is equally bullshit as what people (mis)interpreted from the headline.
    [–]gameassasin 34 points35 points36 points  (35 children)
    why are humans so interested in cutting up their genitalia. It's probably the most fucked up thing we could show aliens, and it's mostly fucked up because it's allowed and we accept it culturally
    [–]agoia 7 points8 points9 points  (9 children)
    Not cutting up their genitalia, cutting up the genitalia of those they can suppress enough so that they can keep doing it.
    [–]kent_eh 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    why are humans so interested in cutting up their genitalia.
    Not their own, though.
    Other people's.
    [–]szymonmmm 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    I assume ancient Semites were doing it because there's nowhere to wash the dick in the desert. Plus they wanted to prevent masturbation, in accordance with Biblical lessons, such as the story of Onan. Then, as Abrahamic religions spread across the world, so did the tradition of circumcision.
    [–]lavenderfart 15 points16 points17 points  (18 children)
    Yet, we still have western world men on Reddit crying out that their circumcision was "...a good thing my parents did", that it didn't affect their sexual desire or pleasure, that it was all good and well. They hardly recognize the fact they had no choice in it (no consent), and don't know any differently to be able to gauge whether or not it DOES affect their sexual pleasure.
    Why? I don't fucking know for sure, but I theorize that it will open a can of worms that deals with both "non-consent" and "minority" issues that they don't want to deal with.
    [–]BraFillers 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
    I think that maybe nobody should slice up little boys pee pees or little girls va jay jays.
    [–]lavenderfart 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    I fully agree.
    [–]nykse 19 points20 points21 points  (2 children)
    Oh please the circumcision thing is massive on this site.
    [–]BeforeYouLeave [score hidden]  (0 children)
    The difference in the two peni I feel that the circumcise penis is more pleasurable for me (don't know about the guy) I feel that my vaginal muscles can "grab" onto it more I feel that the uncircumcised penis is extra meat stuffing that I don't care to contend with I also feel that the former gets harder Difference between wood bat or steel bat
    [–]Pirikko 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Hmm, I can say for sure it changed my sexual pleasure, at least. Just my personal experience. I had to get my foreskin removed at the age of 17 because the skin was too tight, making peeing and erections hurt like hell.
    Having had sex before the age of 17 and after the operation.. The difference is frustrating. Far less sensation, feeling, to the point of feeling almost nothing sometimes. Maybe it's just my penis being an asshole.
    It's shit, and I feel sad for the children that get put through this because their parents decided it.
    [–]thinkB4Uact 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Parasitic visitors taught us to do it among many other maladies, because they feed on the life force energy bled off when life enters fear or suffers.
    Life force energy feeding is a phenomenon visible in human beings and I've seen it several times. We just don't want to believe it exists, because it's so awful. It is the purpose for sacrifice rituals, also taught to us by parasitic visitors.
    [–]bblades262 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Not all of us do.
    [–]xxcain 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    I don't understand how this is the most up voted comment here, like what, you and 1000+ other people didn't bother to actually read the article?
    [–]goodnames679 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Nobody ever does here. The guy was saying "this is a procedure that's only needed in a nation full of sexually incompetent men" and people are sitting in the comments talking shit about him and saying how he shouldn't be for the procedure that he very clearly was against.
    God this is some sensationalist bullshit.
    [–]rattingtons 0 points1 point2 points  (64 children)
    Just mutilate the head of their penis, they'd (probably) still be able to father children but it wouldn't be very much fun for them.
    [–]IOnlyCommentOnce -1 points0 points1 point  (13 children)
    it's called circumcision.
    [–]GhostofG0V 17 points18 points19 points  (12 children)
    That's not remotely close. Circumcision reduces sensitivity but doesn't take away all pleasure like clitorectomy does. The equivalent to FGM is peeling off the whole top of the head.
    [–]minibum 5 points6 points7 points  (8 children)
    Ya male and female circumcision have vastly different functions. The female is just repression.
    Thanks for bringing up the equivalent being cutting off the head of the penis. Male circumcision does not deprive males of sexual feeling. I blew my load immediately my first time, just like every other teenager.
    [–]PM_ME_UR_DOGGOS 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
    Male circumcision was literally invented to repress sexual desire.
    [–]ORP7 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    The clitoris is actually a huge structure. Just removing the head does not take away all pleasure.
    [–]lostinedental 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    Just like cutting off the head of the penis doesn't take away all pleasure.
    [–]GhostofG0V 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    That's true, but neither would removing the head of the penis since you still have a prostate.
    [–]Summer_Friend -5 points-4 points-3 points  (49 children)
    That's called circumcision. They already do it to male children all over the world, and it significantly reduces sexual pleasure. It originated as a practice to stop young men from masturbating. It doesn't even work for that.
    Not that anyone gives a fuck, it's still perfectly legal to mutilate your male children's genitals without consent even in the USA! Fun times.
    [–]Timbitkiller 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
    If God is so great how did he fuck up our genitals so much they all need a cutting?
    [–]OpionatedLulz 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    It's in the bible. God made men how he wanted them to be but his chosen people need to cut off their foreskin if they want glory for god. It was Abraham, I do believe.
    [–]czech_your_republic 14 points15 points16 points  (3 children)
    "all over the world", as in the Arab sphere, Israel, and (for some reason) the USA. Everywhere else, it's considered genital mutilation, as it should be.
    Edit: please don't downvote the poster I replied to; I only corrected him about cirumcision not being widespread all over the world, but he makes a valid point.
    [–]trendyusernames 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
    Add Australia to that list, not as big a thing as in the US but its not a tiny one either.
    [–]Hrafn2 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    And while we are at it add Canada, although it is decreasing in popularity.
    [–]Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
    Yeah... Circumcision involves removing the foreskin, not the god damn head. And as for reducing sexual pleasure, from what I can tell the pleasure being removed is strictly from the nerves in the foreskin that's now removed, and the feeling of the foreskin sliding back and forth. It doesn't affect the sensitivity of everything else.
    I still think it should only be done if the patient's 18+ and with their consent however, as the main apparent medical benefit from it, reducing risk of urinary tract infection, is already less than 1% in male infants.
    [–]Summer_Friend -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
    Second, the foreskin's job is to protect the head. Removing it results in the head being exposed to abrasion and dryness it's not supposed to be exposed to, damaging it.
    They're not cutting it off but circumcision directly results in the head being damaged.
    [–]Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    Article doesn't mention anything about the glans being damaged, and frankly I've never felt any discomfort just from walking around, nor does it really rub against underwear.
    I'm all for delaying the chance to be circumcised until the patient is 18+, but I feel like you're overblowing the effects of it, especially when you're comparing it to female genital mutilation. There's a reason one's illegal and the other's not, and it's not because of religion.
    [–]cheekybantz 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    and frankly I've never felt any discomfort just from walking around
    That's because you've lost sensitivity in it, you just proved his point. If you pull back your foreskin and let your knob rub on the inside of your pants or on your legs it's quite painful
    [–]TeopEvol 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
    That's not how circumcision works at all.
    [–]Summer_Friend 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
    mutilate head of penis Check
    Still able to father children Check
    Wouldn't feel very good Circumcision significantly reduces sexual pleasure, so check
    [–]rattingtons 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    No, I think you need to look up what curcumcision is. Removing part of the foreskin is NOT the same as mutilating the head of the penis. Have you ever even seen a penis? To commit the equivalent of FMG on a man the entire head of the penis would have to be removed leaving only the hole to pee through. Not really the same as a piece of loose skin being removed.
    I agree by the way, circumcision should only ever be performed as part of a necessary medical procedure. Chopping your children's bits for any other reason is barbaric.
    [–]Summer_Friend 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
    The foreskin's job is to protect the head from dryness and abrasion. Cutting it off exposes the sensitive skin, causing it to try out and toughen, killing nerve endings.
    That's mutilating the head. Saying it's not is like scraping the protective coating off the body of your car and then denying responsibility for the sun destroying your paint job.
    Edit: actually, better analogy, it's like cutting off your eyelids and denying that your eyes have been mutilated.
    [–]OpionatedLulz 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    It also is a cultural foundation starting with a covenant with god. It's absolutely disgusting to chop up anybody's genitals for non medical reasons. The difference in MGM and FGM is that FGM causes permanent damage leaving women with chronic pain and a high susceptibility to infections(full fgm). Plenty of people care and doctors in the US will castrate chop up your son's penis at a routine check up without consent if they believe in the practice.
    [–]Serando -3 points-2 points-1 points  (16 children)
    Yeah, I don't think it's the same thing. I'm a circumcised male and sexual pleasure hasn't been reduced for me nor do I feel mutilated. Some may feel different and that's fine, but it's not on the same level at all really. The man pain of simply not having an irrelevant foreskin does not compare.
    [–]Summer_Friend 9 points10 points11 points  (11 children)
    How would you know what you're missing if you've never experienced it?
    Science has shown that circumcision reduces sexual pleasure. The foreskin is meant to protect the fragile and sensitive skin underneath. Circumcision causes that skin to dry out and toughen because it's constantly exposed to abrasion. This destroys nerve endings.
    The reason you don't care is because we live in a society that's completely normalized it.
    [–]Serando -3 points-2 points-1 points  (10 children)
    You can't just say 'science says' as a sufficient argument because scientific evidence usually entails facts, like statistics, studies and other findings, which you don't have. So your argument is entirely arbitrary at this point.
    [–]guillermogarciagomez 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
    So you would be cool if a female child had her labia and clitoral hood removed shortly after birth? I mean it's just irrelevant skin that protects parts of the genitals right?
    The labia doesn't do anything and the clitoral hood is almost literally the same thing as a foreskin because it protects the clit, which is basically like the glans of the penis.
    You did say your sexual pleasure hasn't been reduced right? Her's won't be either because as I've said it's just irrelevant skin.
    [–]KnotAmerrycan -6 points-5 points-4 points  (12 children)
    So tired of men thinking this is the same of FGM. It is not. Your pleasure may be reduced, it is not destroyed for the balance of your life.
    And I never ever have seen any anti-male-circumcision group anywhere . . . maybe stop whining and make something happen.
    [–]reallyBasic 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    And I never ever have seen any anti-male-circumcision group anywhere
    [–]Summer_Friend 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
    Your ignorance is showing. Other commenters have already set you straight but let me just add that even if somehow circumcision didn't fuck with sexual pleasure it's still willful mutilation of an infant's genitals for primitive anti-masturbatory reasons and "tradition."
    And you're OK with that.
    [–]KnotAmerrycan -4 points-3 points-2 points  (2 children)
    Same reasons it is done to women. And you are okay with that.
    [–]Summer_Friend 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    No I'm not. I'm not OK with either. You're OK with one and not the other. Moreover, you're OK with the one that's much more widespread. That's you being a hypocrite.
    [–]KnotAmerrycan [score hidden]  (0 children)
    The day routine MGM involves actually removing the whole glans, I will not be okay with it. Otherwise you are comparing a piece of skin to organs.
    [–]guillermogarciagomez 1 point2 points3 points  (6 children)
    So tired of people who moan about men bringing up their own legitimate issues just because it doesn't effect them to the potential degree that it does women.
    And I never ever have seen any anti-male-circumcision group anywhere . . . maybe stop whining and make something happen.
    Maybe that's because people only give a fuck about female genitalia? You know you're part of the reason you don't see it, right? If you did see it you would bitch about how it isn't the same as FGM. I find it pretty funny to be honest, the fact that you're all anti genital mutilation, but moan about men complaining about a form of genital mutilation that happens in the first world to infant males.
    Is it because you don't like men, or think it's nowhere near as barbaric?
    [–]KnotAmerrycan [score hidden]  (0 children)
    I KNOW it's nowhere near as barbaric. You cannot compare the two.
    [–]KnotAmerrycan 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
    It`s because men still have lots of sex whether they are circumcised or not.
    [–]guillermogarciagomez 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    And women can't? I know FGM removes some or all of the external genitalia, but I was unaware part of the process was sewing the vagina closed.
    Why does the fact men can have sex when circumcised even matter considering it's being done to children...
    [–]KnotAmerrycan 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Part of the process is indeed sewing the remains of the labia and vulva closed after organ and tissue removal. Those rip open with intercourse and childbirth. How any woman could enjoy sex after any of that defies reason. Notwithstanding that, you seem to maybe unaware that many women cannot orgasm by penetration alone, which means in most FGM cases, the woman's sexual pleasure is completely removed for life, unless she learns to find pleasure other ways. I read many comments that men who are circumcised have reduced sexual pleasure - I will never believe it is the equivalent of FGM unless the man's whole glans is removed.
    [–]sonofseriousinjury 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    So, you've never seen or heard a botched circumcision then, have you? Just because you aren't familiar with these things doesn't mean they don't exist.
    [–]KnotAmerrycan 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I have indeed heard and seen stories of that. A "botched" male circumcision result is the main goal in FGM - mutilation for its own sake. Unless men routinely have their entire glans cut off, it doesn't compare to what FGM does to women.
    [–]Mudface68 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
    They're pussies. All of them.
    [–]weightloss89 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    How about instead of balls, we chop off the end of their dicks?!
    [–]absoluteskeptic 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    You can also blame the mothers.
    [–]DaftOdyssey 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Read the article next time. He's making fun of people that support fgm
    [–]felixfelix 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    This is also the same excuse given for forcing women to wear the hijab: if you put uncovered meat outside, whose fault is it if cats come to eat it? Well it's the cats doing the eating, and we're talking about grown men making a decision about whether to rape a woman or not. I'm absolutely fucking sure it's the man's job to resist any backwards primal instinct and not rape anybody. Maybe there should be a handy wallet card made up: do NOT rape anybody
    These backwards ideas always say that men are the stronger gender, but they're super quick to say that men can't help themselves. Okay, if men can't help themselves you lose. You're not strong.
    [–]TheCarm [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Lol a lot of us are already circumsized what more do you want
    [–]allmyaccountsgetband [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Gonna be hard to find the balls of mothers who put their daughter through this
    [–]goodnames679 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Dude nobody here read the dang article. The entire article was him telling people that they were sexually incompetent idiots for even allowing FGM to take place. He did not, at any point, advocate for FGM, he was mocking the people who brought it about and saying they were weak.
    [–]FreemanPontifex [score hidden]  (0 children)
    A more accurate comparison would be to chop some excess skin off. Sound familiar?
    [–]smookykins [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Typical feminazi. Men around the world have been having their genitals mutilated at birth for far longer than the miniscule amounts of females who endure it.
    [–]mikeditka23 17 points18 points19 points  (21 children)
    Sorry if I'm asking a dumb question here...but they are cutting off? (The clit, clitoral hood...is that it?..."does excessive" labia minora have to go to? Am I missing anything?)
    [–]not-a-dutch-girl 12 points13 points14 points  (4 children)
    Forms of FGM vary, from removing the clitoris, to sewing shut the vagina.
    [–]QueefLatinaTheThird 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    from knicking the clit with a razor, to removing the clitoris, to removing the clit and sewing it shut.
    [–]Leporad [score hidden]  (0 children)
    If it's sown shut, how do periods work?
    [–]smookykins [score hidden]  (0 children)
    To simply trimming the labia. Far less intense than male circumcision. Oh, I mean MALE GENITAL MUTILATION!
    [–]helloo1877 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
    Why does that website refer to all modifications of genitals as harmful mutilation? Don't many women or people with vulvas choose to get their genitals pierced as a decoration?
    [–]dinohunter117 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    +1 I don't understand it either
    [–]Reverserer -16 points-15 points-14 points  (14 children)
    fe·male gen·i·tal mu·ti·la·tion noun
    plural noun: female genital mutilations
    the practice, traditional in some cultures, of partially or totally removing the external genitalia of girls and young women for nonmedical reasons. It is illegal in many countries.
    [–]mikeditka23 8 points9 points10 points  (10 children)
    Yeah dude, that part I got...
    what I asked was the SPECIFICS of "external genitalia"...do they just excise the clit?...and hood too?...the whole vulva?
    [–]Jimbo516 9 points10 points11 points  (9 children)
    Images here (just diagrams, not photos). Different countries tend to have different practises in terms of what type (1,2 3/4) they most commonly do on the girls.
    I had training on this last week and it was goddamn harrowing. Situations like the parents are living in a western country, totally against their daughters going through this. They go back to their home country to visit grandma, leave the kids with an aunt for a couple of hours to go out shopping or something and whammo they get home and their daughter is curled up crying on the bed and bleeding.
    [–]mikeditka23 2 points3 points4 points  (8 children)
    Is this risky click of the day material? not sure if i will
    EDIT: Also, although I never have interest in getting into the circumcision debate online. You simply must admit is fucking hilarious how everyone will chastise the fuck out of this...but then 90% of redditors (in the USA at least) will circumsize their boys. "well, that's different"...not really
    [–]Jimbo516 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    It is different from a physiological perspective. In terms of how many nerves are removed, type 1 FGM would be equivalent to removing the head of the penis and about 1/3 of the shaft.
    [–]yoda133113 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
    No, type 1 is subdivided into multiple types, and none of them involve removing part of the shaft. Given the biological equivalents, there's nothing like removing the shaft itself. Type 1a removal of just the clitoral hood. This is biologically analogous to circumcision. Type 1b is the removal of the clitoral hood and the clitoral glans. This is the same as removing the foreskin and the head.
    Even type II can be classified in many ways, some of which are not as horrid as FGM is generally portrayed (though still bad). Type IIa is removal of the inner labia; IIb, removal of the clitoral glans and inner labia; and IIc, removal of the clitoral glans, inner and outer labia. And the labia offer similar functions as the foreskin (protection and secondary sexual stimulation/functions).
    Of course, then there's the type performed in most of Oceania region, which is literally just a pin-prick of the clitoris (with or without drawing blood) in a religious ceremony, that the WHO groups with cauterization of the clitoris...because that's a good way to classify things honestly.
    The fact is that many forms of FGM are equivalent to circumcision or are not as bad, and many other forms are much worse. It's far more complex than the "Well, FGM is worse" that is generally said in response.
    [–]TypicalOranges 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    The severity should not be measured by nerve endings. You're forcibly mutilating a baby's genitals to remove some amount of enjoyment from sex. Not to mention the trauma of undergoing a procedure on some of the most sensitive flesh on the body with minimal amounts of topical anesthetic.
    People that bring up nerve endings piss me off. As if the number of nerve endings invalidate the suffering.
    [–]Lechateau 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
    Circumcision does not affect biological functions, fgm from type one beyond affects urine expulsion due to scar tissue, uterine infections due to cut out flow of menstrual blood and inability to proceed through labour. It also causes nerve damage and permanent pelvic pain. It would be anatomically analogous of removing the penis glans. The labia is required to maintain the vulvar pH and avoid proliferation of abnormal yeast and bacteria since it is mucosal tissue (like the inside of the mouth). Just think of it as if someone removed your lips and the area of the face that covers your teeth and what it would do to your mouth.
    They are both wrong but one of them is outright inhumane.
    [–]mikeditka23 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    Sex is a biological function, it affects that. Also, some FGM does NOT affect urine flow. Basically, I am NOT defending FGM, it's disgusting.
    What I AM saying is the male circumcision (widely practiced) is analogous to removing the clitoral hood.)
    I just don't see how people can be staunchly opposed to FGM. But, then be like,"well, excising the foreskin of a penis isn't as bad...therefore it's completely different and totally cool."
    I mean, you are strapping an infant into a crucifixion pose and cutting off the tip of his dick-skin...c'mon man.
    (FYI: I have never once debated circumcision online...I just think this is an example of people's hypocrisy. However, mild it may be.)
    [–]Lechateau 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    My country does not perform circumcisions unless it is medically needed.
    It is rare the case I see a botched circumcision stroll in. I have seen plenty of pelvic dysfunction associated with fgm from migrants just passing by.
    If you believe the two things are comparable I suggest you check this:
    I have no idea how it is done in Egypt but this video is very much the norm for Niger and kenya
    [–]mikeditka23 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Straw man. I didn't say "they are comparable." I just said if you think about it, it's bizarre to oppose this but not also oppose circumcision. Playing devils advocate I guess.
    But, I suppose in a sense maybe I did. "Those people are crazy and brutal because they cut off more of the child's genitals than we do." I mean, no matter how you strip it down...that IS what you're saying.
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      [–]Juronell 482 points483 points484 points  (84 children)
      So this guy is a douche, and that statistic is downright depressing, but it's worth noting that the Egyptian government as a whole and the most prominent religious leaders in the country have all spoken against FGM. It's banned by law and health ministry edict.
      [–]Shuko 470 points471 points472 points  (41 children)
      So is this guy. He's poking fun at men who insist that women have it done, saying that they need the women in their lives to have this done to compensate for the men's own lack of libido. He's making fun of men who can't get it up and at the same time showing how stupid FGM is, ya dingus.
      Honestly, I just don't get the hivemind sometimes. Are we all so rabidly eager for more news about misogynistic muslims that we're reading it into stories when it isn't even there? Does no one read the articles anymore?
      Edit: something I forgot to mention: The saddest part of all of this is that this issue isn't black and white. A large number of the proponents for FGM are women themselves. It's become so commonplace that many women assume that it's just a necessary rite of adulthood for girls. "I had it done to me, and I turned out just fine! I want my daughter to be like me!" It's extremely sad, and the cycle has to break. At least this politician has the guts to stand up to his own people for what he believes in, because he's vastly outnumbered.
      [–]TheBeginningEnd 209 points210 points211 points  (5 children)
      Definitely this. He went on to say
      He added: "We are a population whose men suffer from sexual weakness, which is evident because Egypt is among the biggest consumers of sexual stimulants that only the weak will consume.
      "If we stop [female genital mutilation], we will need strong men and we don’t have men of that sort."
      He's definitely putting down those men who believe in it.
      [–]el_padlina 32 points33 points34 points  (4 children)
      And again media twists words... This should be at the top
      [–]RikF 16 points17 points18 points  (2 children)
      Well, those words are from the article...
      [–]el_padlina -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
      Yeah, but the title transfers different message.
      [–]AMW1011 [score hidden]  (0 children)
      It does not. You just assumed the content of an article instead of reading it.
      [–]Squeejee09 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
      does no one read the articles anymore
      No one read the articles ever, anon.
      [–]blady_blah 47 points48 points49 points  (27 children)
      "I had it done to me, and I turned out just fine! I want my daughter to be like me!"
      Like circumcision over here...
      (Don't get me wrong though, FGM is way worse than circumcision, but that same line of thinking seems to be used to justify it's propagation.)
      [–]Shuko 24 points25 points26 points  (26 children)
      No, you're definitely right. My mother got my brother circumcised because at the time, the doctor told her that circumcised penises were more hygenic. Now she regrets it, even if his dad did have his done (though who knows what grandma's reasons for that were). But I know there are a lot of cases where dads want their sons to be cut like they were, because there's a stigma around uncircumcised penises in this country. It's become so pervasive that even seeing an uncut penis makes people gasp in surprise. It's pretty sad, really. I know I wouldn't want to grow up thinking my parents had mutilated me. It was just my luck that my brother and I were born in the states, instead of in Egypt. I wonder; are muslim men circumcised, or is that strictly a Jewish/American thing?
      [–]Zelpst 18 points19 points20 points  (2 children)
      "I think it looks frightening when it's cut off. It's a Doberman - let it have its ears."
      • Lyndsay Bluth
      [–]KlicB8 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
      It is "Bad Moms", prob sarcasm on same level of the MP.
      [–]Seagull84 19 points20 points21 points  (10 children)
      My girlfriend thinks men should be circumcised, because.... no reason at all. It's frustrating to no end that she can't come up with a valid reason, but still insists it has to be done.
      Gotta love that religious upbringing.
      [–]shannister -3 points-2 points-1 points  (9 children)
      To be fair, isn't it a bit similar to having your pubic hair trimmed? Even armpits for women? Nothing particularly rational, maybe just an aesthetic choice/familiarity. (note:I'm not circumcised nor advocating for it)
      [–]RikF 15 points16 points17 points  (3 children)
      Not unless we've all been misled and foreskins grow back
      [–]shannister -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
      I didn't mean the impact on the body, but the irrational preference expressed by someone.
      [–]today2day [score hidden]  (1 child)
      Find me men who wouldn't dump their girlfriend for not shaving her armpits and women who would dump a guy because he was or wasn't circumcised. Let's compare that shall we?
      [–]RikF [score hidden]  (0 children)
      What is the point you are trying to make?
      [–]Seagull84 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
      My father had his circumcised at 14 because his doctor recommended it. It was horribly painful, and he experienced more pain for weeks, followed by horrible discomfort for many months following.
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        [–]Tridian [score hidden]  (0 children)
        But if a person later decides "Nah I'd prefer to have hair." Then it will just grow back. Foreskins don't do that.
        [–]SecureThruObscure 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
        It was just my luck that my brother and I were born in the states, instead of in Egypt. I wonder; are muslim men circumcised, or is that strictly a Jewish/American thing?
        If you wonder this, I have to assume you rarely attend mosque, if you're Muslim and not Coptic. I'm making a lot of assumptions/extrapolations based on your post.
        Circumcision is very common and required in Islamic law for all men, and is called Tahara.
        Edit: it reads like Muslim men go around showing their circumcised penises to one and other in mosque. It's funny so I'm leaving it.
        Fun fact, I don't think snipping your bits is required in the Koran, but it specified as law in the sunnah.
        [–]FourDM -4 points-3 points-2 points  (6 children)
        At first it was a Jewish/American thing that just happened to be the default so the CDC recommended the practive. Then the CDC (IIRC it was the CDC, maybe it was some other relevant gov't agency) stopped recommending the practice. Then the CDC sat back for a decade or so. Then the CDC crunched some numbers on STD transmission rates and was like "oops, we've changed our minds and recommend circumcision".
        Basically, fucking women of questionable cleanliness is statistically safer without a foreskin.
        [–]LiberalPenguin 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
        The rates are neglible, though. Reallyreally neglible.
        Look it up
        Most likely they bowed to political pressure
        [–]Vicepresidentjp 8 points9 points10 points  (3 children)
        Actually, those numbers are skewed by the high numbers of STDs and uncircumcised individuals in areas like Africa, but it all kinda becomes a moot point when you realize just how absurd it is to use circumcision as your method of STD prevention. Condoms exist for a reason, but I'm more than happy to let Darwinism run its course on those who are fine with using circumcision for that purpose.
        [–]FourDM 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
        Last I checked Africa wasn't in the US. It was basically an accidental ABA test by the CDC. They found a small but nonzero benefit. Obviously you can't rely on circumcision to protect you if you get a bj from a hooker with aids but on a statistical level preventing one in some large number of transmissions is meaningful.
        [–]Deceptichum 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
        I'd be curious to see if they took many social issues into factor.
        Most Australians aren't circumcised but I've always viewed America as being far more STD/STI dangerous place due to lack of sex education and safe practices.
        [–]FourDM 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        A quick Google search shows that Wikipidia sucks at graphics. They colored a HIV/AIDS map by overall number of cases so you basically wind up with a map of population. Otherwise the rate of Chlamydia in both countries is nearly the same at 456 (US) and 435(AU) per 100k people and everything else being more than an order of magnitude less common. I stopped reading after I saw how much less common the 2nd place disease is.
        I don't know what you mean by "social factors". From what I understand the CDC basically said "we recommended circumcision in the first place because of cultural norms but now that we've stopped recommending it for a few years (and doctors stop advising it) and collected data it turns out the Jews were onto something and we're recommending it again" but said it in a more politically tactful way.
        [–]PigeonsBiteMe -4 points-3 points-2 points  (3 children)
        It's rare for a Muslim to be circumsized. It is mostly a Jewish/American thing.
        [–]eypandabear 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
        Wat. Circumcision is the default in Muslim cultures.
        [–]barcap 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
        Seconded. All Muslims get cut down there.
        [–]duskwuff 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        It's actually incredibly clever. He's undermining the opposition to FGM by "supporting" it using an argument that's deliberately uncomfortable to agree with.
        [–]tablepancake 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        That Egyptian guy forgot to say /s
        [–]firmness -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
        You do realize that Reddit is a feminist media outlet, right? What did you expect?
        [–]Bambus174 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
        Honestly, I just don't get the hivemind sometimes. Are we all so rabidly eager for more news about misogynistic muslims that we're reading it into stories when it isn't even there? Does no one read the articles anymore?
        I have no idea what in Juronell's comment makes you say this.
        [–]JabberJaahs -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
        I was with you until you started being a dick.
        Just educate people instead of belittling them.
        [–]LucyWalker46 71 points72 points73 points  (36 children)
        Many of these people consider religious law more important than the law of the land.
        [–]Juronell 75 points76 points77 points  (28 children)
        Which is why I mentioned the fact that many prominent Egyptian Muslim clerics have spoken against FGM.
        [–]LucyWalker46 21 points22 points23 points  (18 children)
        They're the ones likely to be murdered for being "moderate"!
        [–]le_munky_face 3 points4 points5 points  (17 children)
        This is why the bhurka and other elements of Islamic radicalism should be outlawed. Otherwise you have these self-policing Islamic vigilantes who will murder those not in line with their radical Islamic views.
        [–]mspk7305 19 points20 points21 points  (7 children)
        This is why the bhurka and other elements of Islamic radicalism should be outlawed.
        You do not stop an idea by making it illegal, you stop it by giving people a better idea.
        [–]QueefLatinaTheThird 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        That sounds good and all, but I don't think the lady in the ninja mask doesn't look at us and think "Why didn't I think of that??"
        [–]le_munky_face 0 points1 point2 points  (5 children)
        Doesn't seem to work with the Muslims, they've been in secular Western society for half a century now and things are only getting worse.
        [–]mspk7305 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
        just means a better idea for the audience hasnt been found
        [–]le_munky_face -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
        Which means it should be forced on them otherwise we're going to end up in an increasingly worse situation..
        [–]mspk7305 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
        It never goes well when the West forces things on the East.
        [–]JoeHook 15 points16 points17 points  (3 children)
        Outlawing free speech is a dangerous game. Play cautiously.
        [–]Siege-Torpedo -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
        YOLO
        [–]mspk7305 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        gtfo
        [–]idaredoallthatmay -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
        I'd rather this world turn into a modern Gehenna than that we risk infringing on middle easterners right to oppress women!
        [–]puffdaddythesecond 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        FGM is not a theological requirement in Islam. Circumcision is (and there's nothing wrong with that). FGM is practiced by the most orthodox christian countries in the world (Eritrea and Ethiopia). It's seen as a North/East African cultural phenomenon.
        [–]plazmablu -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
        I'm fine with outlawing violent religion but why the burka, there's no link between terrorism and burkas...
        [–]XkF21WNJ 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
        Actually there is, now that ISIS has banned the burka.
        [–]plazmablu 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Oh yeah, you're right. So more burkas = less terrorism!
        [–]le_munky_face 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Well it's fundamentalist Muslims that wear the bhurka and fundamentalist Muslims that commit terror attacks/condone them. That's the link, it's pretty clear to be honest..
        [–]blady_blah 7 points8 points9 points  (8 children)
        How can there still be 9/10 women have FGM then? That just doesn't make sense. That's waaay to high a number to not have a highly organized government and religion supporting the practice.
        [–]green_flash 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
        Nine out of ten between 15 and 49.
        The rate is lower among the young generation, particularly among the educated populace, but it's only recently being talked about openly. Before it was a taboo subject, enforced by women in secret. In villages where tribal traditions are still very important it's hard to get people to rethink. Even if the procedure is rooted out completely which is unlikely it will take decades for the percentage to go down significantly.
        [–]MaxMcMann 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
        Yeah in the same way that if drug use is high then the government is funding it.
        People do things that are illegal no matter what. This is a tradition that is rooted back to the pharaonic era and are still doing it in secret, out of ignorance of stupidity.
        [–]blady_blah 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
        90%!? 90% of the people in the US can't even agree that the Earth is round. You don't have the government and major religious figures saying "don't do FGM" and still have a 90% rate of FGM.
        [–]HandsOnGeek -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Your mistake is in believing that the USA is representative of worldwide human motivational trends.
        Just remember that much of the USA is descended from folks who, when offered the choice of "Toe the line or get out", they chose to get out rather than conform.
        Mixed with generous amounts of folks like the Puritans who just wanted their own place where they got to define the line that they made everybody toe.
        Add some involuntary transportees and you've got an interesting mix.
        [–]enronghost [score hidden]  (0 children)
        there is always a clinic that is open to this sort of thing.
        [–]QueefLatinaTheThird 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
        Same way 75% of American men can still have circumcision done for essentially no reason. It's not really a big mystery tbh. Parents get it done because they had it done, and some people stick to really stupid traditions like cutting their babies genitals.
        [–]blady_blah [score hidden]  (1 child)
        Holy shit.. I didn't believe that the number was as high as 75% so I looked it up, and you're right! What the fuck is wrong with America? I can't believe it's that high!
        Who the fuck says "woohoo, I have a boy! Now let's take some scissors to his penis!"?
        [–]QueefLatinaTheThird [score hidden]  (0 children)
        75% of Americans do. I was actually dating a girl who was talking about kids and how she's getting her kid circumcised. I told her not if it's mine cause that's not my penis to cut. She was 100% convinced though and there was no shaking it. Her logic was it looks gross otherwise. Now just think, these are homegrown people with these stupid views with nothing backing it up but arbitrary aesthetics. Now we have a place like the middle east who have the tradition as well as the idea that pleasure is sinful and it's pretty easy to understand why they do it
        [–]pokepud3 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
        Theres nothing islamic about fgm. Thats why it only occurs in african and certain asian countries. It doesnt occur in iran/iraq. It's 100% cultural.
        [–]green_flash 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        It does happen in Iran/Iraq, but just in the Kurdish regions of these countries.
        [–]ilikesaucy 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        From Bangladesh, son of Imam, had a library of well known all islamic books on my house, dad would read regularly.
        i first heard about fgm in reddit. i have two sisters, more than twenty female cousins, i would have know about this if it was a islamic law.
        [–]Revoran [score hidden]  (0 children)
        It occurs in Indonesia, because it was brought there by Muslims.
        FGM existed before Islam and is practiced by non-Muslims in some areas. But at the same time some Muslims consider it part of their religion and some clerics reccomend various different types, or have spoken out against various different types.
        [–]Revoran [score hidden]  (0 children)
        it's complicated. Many Muslim consider FGM (of varying different types) to be part of their religion, and some clerics have spoken in favour of or against varying different types.
        At the same time, FGM is also prevalent among non-Muslims in Egypt because FGM existed long before Islam did and is partly just a cultural practice.
        [–]vinhvu95 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        The quran doesn't mention FGM actually, you don't see cases like these from countries like Pakistan, Iran or Turkey if I recall correctly.
        Edit: I don't understand why I'm getting downvoted
        FGM is found mostly within and adjacent to Muslim communities in Central-North Africa, but it is not required by Islam or practiced in most Muslim countries, and prevalence rates vary according to ethnicity, not religion.[14] However, Muslim views are claimed[15][16][17] to have permitted, justified, even encouraged FGM, over human history. There is no reference to FGM in the Qur'an.[18] In other Islamic texts the practice is referred to as khafḍ (Arabic: خفض‎‎)[19] or khifaḍ (Arabic: خِفَض‎‎).[20] Khitan usually refers to male circumcision, but in some regions or dialects also encompasses FGM. The less severe forms of FGM, particularly what the World Health Organization calls Type I (removal of the clitoral hood with either part of or the entire clitoris), is known as Sunna circumcision.[21] There is no consensus whether the hadiths support or forbid FGM.[22][23] Different schools of Islamic jurisprudence have expressed different views on FGM.[15][24][25] In addition to Sharia, the Ijtihad (sometimes spelled igtihad) have been one of the four sources of Muslim law through the centuries. Ijtihad include fatwas (opinions of Muslim religious scholars), which are often widely distributed, orally or in writing, in simple language, to the masses, and describe behavior that conforms with religious requirements. Fatwas are considered by most believers to be morally obligatory.[22][26] Fatwas in favor of FGM have been issued in many Islamic countries,[27][28][29] some fatwas forbid FGM,[30] and some ambivalent fatwas have also been issued that leave the choice to the parents
        [–]JoeHook -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
        Almost all religious people do, that's kind of the idea of "God's laws". Whether they support God's laws being the law of the land is a different story, but that still applies to a huge minority of religious individuals in most countries.
        [–]reverseskip 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
        ...it's worth noting that the Egyptian government as a whole and the most prominent religious leaders in the country have all spoken against FGM. It's banned by law and health ministry edict.
        Serious question. So, female genitalia mutilation doesn't take place in Egypt because of the above? This guy's just insisting that they should because of the ridiculous reasons he gave? I'm confused.
        [–]Juronell 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        It occurs, but it does so against the recommendation of both the government and many religious leaders, and in defiance of the law.
        [–]Tod_Gottes -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
        Whoooooooosshhhhhh
        [–]CranberryZombie -9 points-8 points-7 points  (1 child)
        The statistic is depressing because it is 100% made up.
        [–]NotYourDay123 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
        Except the Egyptian Health Issue Survey they used to get the statistic. Did you even read the article?
        [–]Rock3tPunch 54 points55 points56 points  (6 children)
        The human species is the most intelligent and most stupid species at the same time.
        [–]McHonkers 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)
        We are just really really creative in all directions.
        [–]Osmethne4L [score hidden]  (0 children)
        No, most evidence points at cuttlefish and octopuses as most intelligent.
        [–]barcap 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Schroedinger's Humans
        [–]letdogsvote 203 points204 points205 points  (7 children)
        Yes, because no one should expect men to have responsibility for their own behavior.
        [–]May282016 30 points31 points32 points  (1 child)
        Uh no way. Why should we take responsibility when we are stronger and have the power to push it on to weak women.
        [–]Revoran [score hidden]  (0 children)
        Eh, it's both. Both men and women in these countries push FGM.
        [–]diatom15 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        I bet If they didn't mutilate the women's bits then the men wouldn't have weak libidos. Sex is more fun when both people enjoy it and none of the genitals involved are mutilated.
        [–]nephtus 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        I might be the minority here, but I don't see how hating on men helps at all. Lately all you can see is people generalizing either gender with dumbfounded statements. No negative generalization will ever have a positive effect on a discussion.
        The reality here is that FGM is an atrocious abomination, and is utterly and completely unjustifiable - no matter the gender, ideas or religion of the people responsible. Furthermore, it is oftentimes forced onto young children which have no possibility whatsoever of gong against it, and are therefore marked for life.
        Additionally, and much like history, we should keep in mind that we can't reverse what has already been done but we must do everything in our hands to eradicate such awful practice.
        [–]smookykins [score hidden]  (0 children)
        Can I have my foreskin back, please?
        Fuck feminism.
        [–]gameassasin -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        it's crazy how they think that is an acceptable statement, as if the rest of the world be understanding.
        [–]Alt_Right_Is_Alright 16 points17 points18 points  (4 children)
        Are people misinterpreting 'Sexual weakness' as men raping? He is talking about them being impotent.
        [–]Reverserer -5 points-4 points-3 points  (3 children)
        Where are you getting that from? Just bc he says they are taking stimulants doesn't mean he is implying they are impotent. He very clearly states that the men are not strong enough to resist a women with intact genitalia - i assume meaning a sexual women? (that's pure guess).
        Either way i don't think he wasn't implying rape - 'we would have to have strong men' - men to resist a sexual women rather than rape her? - that would be a more logical follow-through than impotence...in my thought process anyhow.
        [–]green_flash 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
        How does having a clitoris make a woman more prone to being raped? That makes zero sense. Clearly he meant they were unable to satisfy the sexual demands of a woman who's more often sexually aroused due to having a clitoris.
        He added: "We are a population whose men suffer from sexual weakness, which is evident because Egypt is among the biggest consumers of sexual stimulants that only the weak will consume."
        [–]Hells_Bell10 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
        If men are impotent then they can't satisfy their women so they might be unfaithful. If their women are mutilated then their sex drive is weakened, i.e. "reduce womens sexual appetites", and they are more likely to remain faithful.
        "we would have to have strong men": replace 'strong' with 'virile' and for the matter 'weak' with 'limp' and this interpretation is obvious.
        Also, if he was talking about lack of control, how would sexual stimulants help people who can't resist urges?
        Translation can be a tricky buisness and combined with short, contextless quotes I would reserve judgement but this seems to be mocking supporters of FGM.
        [–]RikF 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        "If we stop [female genital mutilation], we will need strong men and we don’t have men of that sort."
        Not strong to resist, but strong enough to keep up. You take a stimulant because you can't perform, and a woman who can enjoy sex might just want you to do that.
        [–]hameleona 15 points16 points17 points  (2 children)
        The rates are dropping fast (there was an article around here about that), thanks to the military dictatorship wanting to look good for the west, so there is a silver lining.
        [–]sonofseriousinjury 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
        It's in the source too. Rates have dropped significantly in the past 8 years among teens and young adults. It's still unreasonably high (especially considering the rate should be 0%), but it is getting better. Few women are circumcised after age 15 and the number of women age 15-19 who are circumcised has dropped by 11% in those eight years.
        [–]Cyph0n -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        No, that's not it. Once again, FGM is a cultural construct, and not a part of Islam. Circumcision is however.
        [–]jitatime 67 points68 points69 points  (27 children)
        I cant believe my sister is going on a senior high school trip to this place....
        [–]TammyK 82 points83 points84 points  (15 children)
        Oh wow, high schoolers? I hope they're supervised the whole time. Every gal I know who's been to Egypt has been harassed and quite literally proposed to by randos there. I hope she isn't fair skinned and blond. If so she'll probably enjoy it more if she brings a headscarf :P (serious recommendation).
        For the most part tho all the gals still enjoyed it there and said they'd go back.
        [–]jenadactyl 24 points25 points26 points  (13 children)
        I went literally a year ago and there was absolutely no issue. I brought, but didn't wear, a headscarf as I never felt it was necessary. This was in both Cairo and Luxor, as a young white female.
        [–]juicemagic 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
        I had no problems either. Scariest part of the country was the roads.... no traffic lights .
        [–]jenadactyl 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Totally, the roads were terrifying.
        [–]TammyK 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
        Yeah I think for the most part as long as you're in the tourist areas of Cairo you won't have an issue. I assume that's what this girl's school is likely doing as well.
        [–]jenadactyl 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
        I did mostly tourist areas, for sure, but I also did markets and more local stuff, with no issue. Not that I'd suggest high schoolers do it without supervision, but I would guess they'll be highly supervised.
        [–]Leporad [score hidden]  (0 children)
        Were you hot?
        [–]bangorthebarbarian -4 points-3 points-2 points  (6 children)
        You got lucky, or were oblivious. These are extremely misogynistic cultures.
        [–]JMJ777 7 points8 points9 points  (5 children)
        You got lucky, or were oblivious. These are extremely misogynistic cultures.
        Have you ever been to Egypt?
        [–]bangorthebarbarian comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (4 children)
        I've been all over the region, and all over in Europe. I haven't made it to Africa or Asia yet, although I've met many people from these places. I've been accosted by second and third world children for cheap trinkets most of my adult life.
        [–]081624 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
        Wait so... you have been to Egypt? Because you said you haven't been to Africa or Asia yet, and when you consider the location of Egypt....
        [–]relationship_tom 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
        Everybody knows Egypt is part of the Middle East continent. Next you'll be telling me Iran is in Asia? Imagine that, Arabs walking around with Chinese, it's absurd.
        [–]Deceptichum 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Some of Egypt is in the Middle East and the whole Middle East is in Asia.
        So Egypt is in Asia, even more absurd.
        [–]jenadactyl 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
        Yeah people were selling cheap trinkets, no doubt. But I didn't feel unsafe in any relatively tourist area, which is what most foreigners do, especially high schoolers.
        [–]no_face -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
        You are so lucky to be ugly
        [–]Leporad [score hidden]  (0 children)
        I hope she isn't fair skinned and blond.
        Why? Do they prefer white blonde girls? Like ever fuckin' country in the world?..
        [–]ItsYouNotMe707 26 points27 points28 points  (2 children)
        that is a mistake.. i hope that trip gets canceled
        [–]DAMbustn22 [score hidden]  (0 children)
        what why? Egypt can be perfectly fine as long as you aren't stupid. So long as the school organises it well, supervises the kids properly and stays in the touristy spots they will have a good trip.
        [–]Revoran [score hidden]  (0 children)
        As long as you stick to touristy areas and dress relatively conservatively, you'll probably be fine. It's not a war zone or anything.
        [–]CraftyBarbarianKingd 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
        Honestly as an Egyptian, currently living in Egypt I would say most of the other comments you are getting are uninformed. Security and harassment can be a problem for those living in Egypt but for tourists who will be spending their times in tourist locations such as Pyramids etc or going to Luxor and Aswan or maybe going to a resort on the beach they should be absolutely fine, provided of course that they don't have the freedom to move without a supervisor with them (preferably an Egyptian).
        This is coming from a person who really dislikes living here (I'm actually moving out in a month), but I'd say Egypt has a lot of amazing places to visit that are actually secure (Tell her to dress conservatively tho but not necessarily in a resort) .
        [–]LeadNugget 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
        What could possibly go wrong?
        [–]Iornukrum 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Please stop her from going...
        [–]cl3ophatra 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        You can't believe your sister is going out and seeing the world and learning about a new culture while you sit behind a screen and believe whatever front page articles on Reddit have you believe about a country you have never been to or informed yourself about?
        [–]reverseskip 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Just tell her to listen to their teachers, supervisors and chaperones and don't get any foolish ideas of going off on their own out of the tourist areas to check out the locals.
        [–]Unicorn_Tickles 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Just want to point out that the quoted MP was mocking proponents of FGM by saying that those mens' libidos are too weak and impotent to properly sexually satisfy a woman.
        So, he was making a hyperbolic statement meant to mock people who support FGM and to bring attention to it as an issue that needs addressing.
        Maybe you should travel with your sis...you might actually break some preconceived notions you've had about different places.
        [–]enronghost [score hidden]  (0 children)
        egypt is really bad for girls.
        [–]yarauuta 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
        For people saying that FGM prevents females from seeking sex and therefore prevents males from having it, i learned a life lesson that can easily be applied in this situation:
        if you are obsessed with something, maybe its because you are a very stupid human being with too much free time
        PS: this was my moto to quit smoking
        [–]preposte 23 points24 points25 points  (6 children)
        Why does anyone perform non-corrective surgery on any infant's genitals? How is this still a thing?
        [–]eatspam88 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
        Ask American doctors and their insurance reimbursements.
        [–]__redruM 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
        Religion... Hate to break out the atheism, but there it is.
        [–]LookWhatTheyMade 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
        As well as doctors getting a big check for a circumcision that only takes 15 minutes of his time. Why would they want to do anything to lose easy money even if it's from mutilating children.
        [–]KillerOkie -5 points-4 points-3 points  (1 child)
        I'm an atheist and I'm cut and so is my boy. Granted my boy is because my Chinese and mostly equally atheistic wife, her I assume non-cut father, and my somewhat religious mother all insisted. I was leaning against it and in retrospect probably should have stood more firm. It made me feel bad with all the times the cut would get red and sore, we'd put some bacitracin on it and it gets better, then at some spots adhesions would separate (as it's supposed to) and get red again, repeat. We're finally past that point and all the adhesions are fully separated and he's good to go now and hasn't had any further problems.
        In the case of my mother, she insisted due to her and my late step father's experiences. He used to get problems with his foreskin or something and he seemed to think it was a good idea.
        In all my son seems to have come through it without any issues but I wouldn't recommend for others. I mean if you are concerned that your son's future hygiene situation might be dicey (military service, survivalism, SHTF, long term outdoor living, being a hobo, etc) then could be an investment I suppose.
        [–]__redruM -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
        Male ritualistic genital mutilation isn't quite as bad. But it's roots are religious. It was done to me, and I survived. I wouldn't do it to my children, but it's certainly not an evil practice like the female side.
        [–]level100Zubat [score hidden]  (0 children)
        FGM isn't done to infants. The girls are usually around 12 years and there is no anasthetic.
        [–]zehalper 30 points31 points32 points  (2 children)
        ...What?
        That's like saying "Let's replace the windshield wipers with barbed wire to prevent car theft."
        [–]fuzzy11287 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
        Pretty sure he's being sarcastic and shaming men to try and stop the practice. Someone above put it like this: "you're so sexually weak, you have to bring your women down to your level."
        I can only assume it made more sense to Egyptians than it does to us in translation.
        [–]NamesNotRudiger 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
        Well who would want to drive a car with barbed wire for wipers after all?
        [–]Shotgun2theDick 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
        do Egyptian Coptic women also practice FGM or only Muslims?
        [–]angelsil 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        Yes, sadly.
        [–]enronghost [score hidden]  (0 children)
        ancient egypt used to do it. They probably were the ones that spread the practice.
        [–]noobsthename -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        No they don't.
        [–]funeralchic 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
        What can we actually do about this? Does anyone know of organizations doing actual work to combat FGM? I know I can google, but maybe someone has worked with or given money to a reputable group that is making a difference...
        [–]TLCBoogie 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
        This is more an issue of education than 'barbarism' or 'savagery'. This tradition is passed down for generations and seen as a tradition much like circumcision is accepted in the US as 'something you just do'.
        [–]Drunkest_Ninja 48 points49 points50 points  (17 children)
        "If we stop [female genital mutilation], we will need strong men and we don’t have men of that sort."
        They need more education not "strong" men. A dude will stick his penis pretty much everywhere he can. If the girl suffered from FGM it does nothing for the guy. Their pro FGM argument is so retarded...
        I'm so glad i live in a civilized country....
        [–]takingissue 17 points18 points19 points  (3 children)
        A dude will stick his penis pretty much everywhere he can.
        You understand that this very stereotype is what partially fuels FGM, right? "Men can't be trusted to NOT shove their penis into our women, so we better cut their clits off." It's wrong and incredibly harmful, but it's what some people believe.
        It's not true. In a thread discussing sexual health you'd think there'd be less misinformation and stereotypes being tossed around. Men and women both have varying sexual appetites and drives.
        EDIT: Added partially to indicate that there are other reasons as well, obviously, and it's not the only reason.
        [–]Drunkest_Ninja 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
        "Men can't be trusted to NOT shove their penis into our women, so we better cut their clits off."
        Do they honestly believe that those men care if the women has a clit or not? That was the point of me saying they'll shove their penises in anything; with or without clit.
        It makes absolutely no sense how mutilating women helps "to curb male sexual weakness"
        [–]Revoran [score hidden]  (0 children)
        At least some men would care, which is part of the problem. However that is of course a cultural thing not an inherently male thing.
        [–]N7_MintberryCrunch 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        Why not just cut off the dicks of dudes who can't keep it in their pants.
        [–]zin33 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        actually it does, the girl with FGM will be less likely to seek extra marital mates after all
        [–]Davidfreeze 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        He's mocking men who are for it. He is against it. He's calling men who support it pussies who can't handle a woman with a sex drive
        [–]AplacewithAview -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
        "If we stop [female genital mutilation], we will need strong men and we don’t have men of that sort."
        This is the kind of things Louis CK would say in his shows. Just a self parodic whining that doesn't explain nor excuse anything.
        It's actually insane how revealing and how much you can understand from a person when you hear the silliest thing they have to say. It's like listening to a child lying.
        [–]Crocigator 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        It's funny you bring up Louis C.K. because he had a joke about why kids and adults lie and it's different.
        Kida lie (usually) because they are in trouble and they have a hard time facing that so they tell lies to not be in trouble. Most adults don't give a shit if they are "in trouble" so they don't lie to save face they just say "Oh, sorry" and that's the end of it (usually)
        Adults lie to get an advantage over someone else. (Usually)
        I'm not trying to disprove anything you said or presented, I just wanted to share a coincidental thought.
        [–]Felaa -96 points-95 points-94 points  (8 children)
        Don't worry I'm sure you're being oppressed anyway. Give me FGM any day over subtle gender stereotypes and jokes about sandwiches.
        [–]aDDnTN 11 points12 points13 points  (3 children)
        why do you assume those things don't happen anyway, regardless of FGM or not?
        [–]lets-get-dangerous 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
        I think they're being sarcastic. This article brings to light a very serious human rights violation being perpetuated against women in a country where real oppression is happening. This poster is making a slight against the third wave feminist movement, which is largely stereotyped as being backed by women who have never experienced oppression in their lives and instead harp on things like sexist advertisements and making universities safe spaces.
        [–]aDDnTN 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        probably right about that and i thought the same thing myself.
        [–]Felaa 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        This is why people always have to add /s - cause reddit is retarded lol.
        [–]______________pewpew 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
        Shut up troll.
        [–]goh13 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Huh.... :\
        [–]AP246 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        Obvious troll is obvious.
        [–]stry8993 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
        Cover your hair/face and chop off your clit, all thanks to Islam! But oh, say it out loud and you're a bigot!
        [–]enronghost [score hidden]  (1 child)
        saudi arabia doesnt do it.
        [–]stry8993 [score hidden]  (0 children)
        Yeah, and the princes smuggle in drugs and other things against Islam, but, money talks.
        [–]silmarien1142 [score hidden]  (0 children)
        Islam has nothing to do with FGM. It's a cultural thing in many countries.
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          [–]bangorthebarbarian 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
          The SJWs, which don't really exist in the way you think they do, do protest against these things.
          [–]andradei 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          To me is simply seems like to these idiotic cultures women are an acquisition rather than another human being.
          All those generations of practicing such savage behavior made them lose all sensitivity and empathy. How hard is it to realize that this is an unfair practice at best?
          At least most leaders don't agree with this ignorant statement.
          [–]fascinating123 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          That number seems too high. Knowing what I know.
          [–]Ryuuken24 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          "sexual weakness" means they're impotent.
          [–]The_Kiriyama [score hidden]  (0 children)
          And in other news a man in the media thinks women should do anything for men, for their own safety. Look, women should be disgusted by this, it's abhorrent. But men equally so, we are not dirt-eating savages that can't control themselves at the sight of a woman. We, like women, are people. How about we start persecuting the psychos that think attitudes like that are alright, instead of expecting anyone to do anything in order to protect their personal safety, never mind something as mental as mutilation. Sorry, rant over folks
          [–]WhiteSmoke420 [score hidden]  (0 children)
          Fuck anyone with these horrible mind sets. It shows a lack of intellectualism, zero empathy, and outright extreme sexism.
          [–]Mattandsuch 28 points29 points30 points  (7 children)
          ... or you could chemically castrate dudes to deal with it? Why is the onus on women? I don't get why in some cultures men and I am one myself are absent responsibility.
          [–]DontUseSocialMedia 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
          Mutilation is bad, So is Castration...
          [–]icbm_penis 12 points13 points14 points  (2 children)
          You got it backwards, the guy said that egyptian men are impotent. Chemically castrating would solve a problem that doesn't exist.
          [–]LookWhatTheyMade 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
          People don't like to read. They just look at the headline and throw out whatever comes to mind first.
          [–]Revoran [score hidden]  (0 children)
          For once I agree with you. Not only is FGM horrible but this moron's argument doesn't even make sense.
          Not to mention that the last thing Egypt needs is a higher birth rate...
          [–]the_norwegian_blue -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
          Chemically?
          Nah. Use a rusty knife.
          [–]debridezilla -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
          Or a broken bottle. Equivalent tools for equivalent work.
          [–]LeadNugget -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
          When a bull is getting out of control, you turn it into a steer. Why can't the same be applied to humans? Oh that's right, because it would be cruel apparently.
          [–]dead_languages 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
          This is fucking disgusting.
          [–]RikF 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Did you read the article or just the headline?
          [–]LakeMaldemere 15 points16 points17 points  (4 children)
          I object to foreign aid going to countries with these abusive practices.
          [–]Spooky-skeleton 16 points17 points18 points  (3 children)
          You objecting or not has zero say in it
          [–]TheNameThatShouldNot -10 points-9 points-8 points  (2 children)
          lel, others opinions are 2 edgy 4 me.
          [–]ihave0karma -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
          lel
          Kek
          [–]Spooky-skeleton -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
          Kek
          wew
          [–]Real_Muthsera 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
          I got to say as one example of the male part of our society. You'd think that our male weaknesses would be more directly handled by addressing us. Instead of taking it out on an innocent third party.
          [–]Rastafaerie 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
          Every time this comes up on Reddit, a bunch of Egyptian ex-pats come on here and say "No woman I know has ever had this done! These figures are exaggerated!". Ok well now a member of your parliament is saying it. And the health surveys linked in that article are also good sources. So what do you say now?
          [–]FourDM 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          Probably something along the lines of "when you live somewhere like Egypt and take a survey, or manage records at a hospital you know exactly what you're supposed to put on paper and it isn't affected by reality" , not that I believe them though.
          [–]enronghost [score hidden]  (0 children)
          which is funny because i bet all their mothers had it done. (not actually funny)
          [–]Dr_on_the_Internet 10 points11 points12 points  (12 children)
          For thousands of years Egypt was one of the world's greatest societies. I wonder what could have possibly changed that?
          [–]Slick424 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
          FGM in Egypt goes oll the way back to BCE times
          The Greek geographer Strabo (c. 64 BCE – c. 23 CE) wrote about FGM after visiting Egypt around 25 BCE (right).[n 20][n 21] The philosopher Philo of Alexandria (c. 20 BCE – 50 CE) also made reference to it: "the Egyptians by the custom of their country circumcise the marriageable youth and maid in the fourteenth (year) of their age, when the male begins to get seed, and the female to have a menstrual flow."[104]:333 It is mentioned briefly in a work attributed to the Greek physician Galen (129 – c. 200 CE): "When [the clitoris] sticks out to a great extent in their young women, Egyptians consider it appropriate to cut it out.
          [–]enronghost [score hidden]  (0 children)
          what were they afraid off? women growing a penis?
          [–]Iornukrum 13 points14 points15 points  (2 children)
          The society was attacked, colonized and transformed, its members forcefully converted, killed or marginalized. The remainder of it is now the Coptic community.
          [–]midoman111 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
          Funny how Copts practice it the most though.
          [–]GiantFeetTinyHands 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
          Lol thats not true at all.
          [–]seal-team-lolis 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          What periods?
          [–]Drumpf_tiny_hands 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
          FGM is a regional thing, it's possibly even more prevalent among Christian Africans than among Muslims
          [–]mariaellax [score hidden]  (0 children)
          Definitely possible. It is not religiously mandated (by Islam) in the slightest.
          [–]enronghost [score hidden]  (0 children)
          ancient egypt started the fgm practice :(
          [–]JeanValjean197o 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
          There are always crackpots in every government.
          I think the politicians in the US who reject global warming or who say, "it's cold outside (in winter). Therefore there's no global warming." are complete idiots.
          [–]1337duck 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
          I don't know, man. Rape rates are much lower in western countries without FGM.
          I guess our males are just stronger than yours.
          [–]dinowak [score hidden]  (0 children)
          He's making fun of men who support FGM as being impotent. He's not rationalizing rape.
          [–]noeljb 8 points9 points10 points  (4 children)
          I think castrating the men who be more effective.
          [–]HE4-fluid-router 24 points25 points26 points  (2 children)
          Orrrr, crazy thought, nobody mangles nobody else's genitals!
          <ascends to heavens, bathed in golden rays of logic>
          [–]Cocoabbt88 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
          No. I'm all for small government and for people to have guns but a big enough government where they care about a man's genitalia touching another man's. Make it so.
          [–]noeljb 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          Where's the fun in that?
          < descends to Hades with a turd eating grin on face>
          [–]comeseeconquer 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          For using aides? Jesus.
          [–]savagedan 8 points9 points10 points  (7 children)
          Fuck off with your backward view of women
          [–]continuousQ 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
          He has a backward view of men as well.
          Though he might have underlying reasons for supporting mutilation that he's making up stuff to say in public to excuse.
          [–]RikF 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          He isn't supporting mutilation, he's denigrating the men who support it by calling their sexual prowess into question. Essentially he's saying "You're either against FGM, or you are not man enough to satisfy a woman. Which is it?"
          [–]GuiltyGear 0 points1 point2 points  (4 children)
          lots of women hold this view.*
          [–]MagicalHamster 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
          It's true. Religious indoctrination can do some nasty things to a person's mind.
          [–]savagedan 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
          And does that make it right ? Women should be treated as equals and this requires that they have access to education (amongst other things) so that they realize that this kind of mysticism and superstition has no place in this century.
          [–]GuiltyGear 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
          Not at all. Just pointing out that the crazy and primitive view is pervasive. :(
          [–]afihavok 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          9 out of 10 b/w ages of 15 and 49? Holy shit.
          [–]Rivarr 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          That's insane. And what the hell does FGM do to stop that "problem", nothing surely? I hope that stat isn't close to being true.
          [–]Codexed 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          I don't think this has as much to do with lack of self control of men so much as taking away the possibility of a wife cheating or feeling desire towards other men. It simply doesn't make sense to modify a vagina so men aren't as interested and horny.
          [–]Littlewigum 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          That statistic, 9 out of 10, seems like bullshit. The answer from any women asked if they had their vagina cut is always probably "Yes, why would I say otherwise" in a culture where it is expected. How are the authorities going to find out otherwise. By saying no, you're saying "please cut me". Of course they will all say yes.
          [–]ButtholeSmurfer 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          Hold on. So the average woman(and then some) in Egypt has mutilated genitals?
          [–]ukiyoe 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          What's sad is that, as time has passed, mothers and grandmothers have made the decisions for the girls without any information as to what they're really doing, as it is now considered tradition. This episode really was a hard listen.
          From the show:
          According to my mother, a bug was growing in an egg down there-- her language, not mine-- and that it would hatch and eventually crawl to my brain unless we removed it, she said. My pediatrician agreed. It was time to see the woman who removes the bug.
          Note: this takes place in Pakistan.
          [–]LilBoozy 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          This is something I'm sure US health care workers will see more of from migrants of these countries.
          [–]cosmic1992 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
          Could someone ELI5 what female genital mutilation actually consists of? Like what do they do? In my head they cut the lips off or make some cuts on it. I am at work so cant really google it to extensively.
          [–]G00BY_PLS 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          I saw a Law and Order episode discussing this... I'm under the impression they remove the clitoris.
          [–]Hard_to_unlearn 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
          It is the worst reasoning I've seen in awhile. How is one sex responsible for the weakness or strength of the other. Take some damn personal responsibility for your sexual desires and conduct and stop blaming it on females. Insane barbaric practice! Why would any female want to live or be exposed to such atrocity is beyond me!
          And I agree with couple other comments. Cut off the balls of men who can't control their sexual misgivings. Take the person bare the responsibility who's actions are the problem! If there even is a problem.
          [–]KnotAmerrycan [score hidden]  (0 children)
          This is why women are also held responsible for men raping them. notallmen are rapists but the majority of them like to lecture women for the entirety of their lives how to prevent men from commiting the crime of rape against them. Because women have to do the least they can do after all to keep men from raping them.
          [–]the_original_kiki 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          If it's the male that's weak, why carve up the female?
          [–]illgivemyopinion 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          Why the barbarians would do this to their beautiful women and girls is beyond belief. The men and this culture should be wiped of the earth.
          [–]americanpegasus [score hidden]  (0 children)
          I weep for our species that any of us get our genitals cut up without choice - boys and girls. It is right up there with acid attacks .... The absolute worst of humanity on display.
          [–]y2kcockroach [score hidden]  (1 child)
          I'm waiting for the argument that Muslim women actually "choose" this procedure as part of their free will....
          [–]mariaellax [score hidden]  (0 children)
          As I mentioned in a previous comment: this isn't an Islamic practice, it's usually done in regions of Africa. It is not religiously mandated by Islam in the slightest. Take to Google if you don't believe me, but this barbaric practice is not attributable to Islam.
          [–]fungobat [score hidden]  (0 children)
          Reason #353 why an advanced alien civilization has not contacted us yet.
          [–]sunkissed_desert [score hidden]  (0 children)
          This is why the world is fucked!
          [–]Dicios 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
          The women should start a movement along the lines of "We so horny, we can't stop, we must cut off guys balls as we aren't sexually strong enough to resist ourselves"
          [–]pissedcunt [score hidden]  (0 children)
          you do realize that male genital mutilation is a thing, and its wide spread. circumcision of the foreskin, the piece of skin that has more nerve endings than anywhere else on the male body.
          [–]DontUseSocialMedia -9 points-8 points-7 points  (4 children)
          So mutilation is acceptable? Bad against women, but fine against men "under certain circumstances"... I guess since women are also the ones pushing FGM then "under certain circumstances" it's fine...
          [–]Dicios 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)
          If you read the article you would know that they used an argument similar in nature against the women. I wasn't recommending them to do it "do it" but by reflecting the argumentation back at the MP it would expose how stupid it is.
          So if the men said that the women should be punished because men can't handle themselves might as well start a campaign telling the men to get neutered also as women can't handle their urges.
          [–]DontUseSocialMedia 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
          The MP was basically insulting men, aka, "men are so sexually weak, hence why Women should have to deal with FGM to be on the same level." Trying to rile up men, and get them to stop.
          Although women are mainly responsible encouraging FGM on girls.
          [–]Dicios -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
          We must of read two totally different articles.
          The MP logic that women need FGM to stop men is...illogical.
          Men would still sleep with women as their pleasure would not be hindered in any way.
          The 'insult' simply shows how wrong the thinking is, call men weak and say women have to cut themselves. Not really helping the cause for women but perhaps different types of cultures and different understanding.
          [–]DontUseSocialMedia 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          "Calling men weak, as they are cutting women" - Saying the men (Not women who enforce this/Continue this) who enforce FGM are sexually impotent, seems like a good way to stop the men involved in it.
          [–]FuzzyCats88 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          Can you hear that? As if a million tourist reps cried out at once and were suddenly silenced.
          [–]vertcarotte 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
          Ah, the art of making the women responsible for everything.
          There seem to be some kind of general rule of thumb here: 1 - Blame (and punish) the women.
          2 - If not working, blame the americans.
          EDIT: 3 - Repeat 1 and 2 forever. Make sure not to blame yourself for anything.
          [–]Cutegun 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
          This doesn't make any sense. Why would a husband not want his wife to enjoy sex?
          [–]overactive-bladder 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
          the sterotype of guys is that they don't care about a woman's orgasm. heck even in the west, how many articles, movies and books do you read that deal with guys not giving a fuck if the girl they're with reaches an orgasm or not? it's all about their pleasure.
          in this specific situation, a woman who doesn't feel anything from sex will not pursue it outside of her marriage when the husband is weak and can't perform it. so they punish a very healthy woman for the shortcomings of guys. some kind of vengeance in a sense and an insurance no other guy can please his woman.
          fuck humanity tbh. to reach this low when we have to deal with more serious things like environmental crisis.
          [–]Hammonkey [score hidden]  (0 children)
          Punish the women because the men are weak... This whole fucked up culture just needs to go the way of the dodo
          [–]anybodyanywhere 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
          WTF? It doesn't keep them from raping women or abusing women or even having sex with women, so it does nothing to curb male urges. I think these middle eastern countries; leaders are all mad from too much inbreeding.
          [–]Alenonimo 3 points4 points5 points  (6 children)
          Interesting that there is male genital mutilation (circumcision) but they don't even suggest performing it.
          [–]eatspam88 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          Egypt and all Muslim countries as well as America and Israel circumcise as many males as possible.
          [–]FultonPig 5 points6 points7 points  (17 children)
          I was banned from whatever sub I was in the last time I pointed out that MGM is almost as common in the US, but both FGM and MGM are terrible for slightly different reasons, and no one is up in arms about MGM.
          [–]aispolakalopsia 7 points8 points9 points  (6 children)
          Circumcising penises of babies is a practice that should end, but it's not just "slightly " different from Female Genital Mutilation, wtf.
          [–]yoda133113 2 points3 points4 points  (5 children)
          Technically circumcision is nearly identical to some types of FGM, more severe than others, and significantly less severe than others. Simply saying that it's not as bad doesn't give an honest portrayal of what FGM is.
          [–]Aec1985 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          actually, women in general & circumcised guys. the only people who admit the comparison between fgm and circumcision is on equal terms are uncircumcised people and a small % of people who are honest/well informed. the odds are completely stacked against mgm
          [–]gameassasin 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
          think about if you were cut, wouldn't it feel bad to admit that something wrong was done to your private personal, alot of times cherished organ without your consent? so you will do anything to justify it in your head. 99% of the people that support circumcision in america are circumcised themselves, it would hurt too much to admit it's pointless to destroy a part of your penis, especially in a place like america where we are in first world conditions. It's Stockholm syndrome for cutting and scarring your cock.
          [–]yoda133113 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
          There are definitely a lot of people that react that way. In the last thread this was brought up 2 guys were openly saying "Stop saying that my cock/penis is mutilated," as if that changed anything about the conversation.
          [–]gameassasin 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
          the term 'circumcision' is also really dodgy, its a really sterile, harmless, fancy, term that is fed to new parents by calm smart looking doctors when given the choice at their sons birth. I think it's more fair to tell new parents that they are going to cut the babies penis or do foreskin amputation, and the baby will scream in agony, and we are the only country that still does this besides dirt poor africa, telling the truth about it would stop a lot of circumcision on its own.
          [–]lwatson74 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          Biggest difference I see is they don't actually cut off anything that is for orgasm, they only cut off the tip of the foreskin on the penis, not the penis itself. That is equivalent to removing the clitoral hood on a female. Removing the actual clit would be like removing the tip of the penis... Ugh.
          [–]Youvepeaked 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          Fucking disgusting, unbelievable. If men commit sexual crimes they should pay for it dearly. World is fucked
          [–]chrissymad 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
          How has no one noticed the MP's name is Elhamy Agina ?
          This cannot possibly be real.
          [–]hulagain 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
          I had always thought that FGM only happened "over there" until I dated a girl who had renounced her religion and went into hiding with her kids after finding out her husband was making plans to circumcise their daughter. This is in the mid-west US. It's absolutely horrible.
          [–]MagicalHamster 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          Met a friend whose friend had undergone this. The girl in question didn't think it was a big deal but she could only experience sexual pleasure through anal.
          [–]problematic_reality 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
          A disgusting culture that serves as a warning to every other group of humans on Earth.
          [–]dapperedodo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          This is a disgrace. Fuck this.
          [–]RyuujinZER0 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          Just to play devil's advocate here, this was an MP and not the government. MP's (And senators, their US equivalent), say dumb shit all the time.
          It's only one step above 'someone on tumblr/reddit said something stupid', it doesn't reflect actual policy.
          [–]Nemodin 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          I thought Egypt was a much more developed country. This sounds (if real) as a Huge step back.
          [–]Sharun 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          A literal patriarchy
          [–]nfaguy 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          "Women must undergo female genital mutilation to curb male 'sexual weakness', Egyptian MP says"
          If true, why are Muslim men so weak compared to the rest of the world?
          [–]gFrenken97 2 points3 points4 points  (6 children)
          Why are these barnyard animals so goddamn stupid? Please enrich me how genital mutilation could possibly be considered a good thing
          [–]FultonPig 8 points9 points10 points  (5 children)
          "Circumcised is more attractive"
          "It makes children less likely to masturbate"
          "I want him to look like me"
          "It's cleaner"
          "It's a contract with god"
          ...but of course, those are reasons they use in the US to justify it.
          [–]markko79 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          Cutting off the clitoris is the same as cutting off the head of the male penis. Now... you kids whining that male circumcision is no different than FGM need to learn that you can't compare apples to oranges and get away with it in a professional discussion.
          [–]KanyesBlessed [score hidden]  (0 children)
          Mutilation -- that's the only word one needs to read. Mutilation. There are no benefits. There should be no debate. There's no explanation. There's mutilation. And 90 percent of women suffer it. The world needs to get enraged and end this mutilation.
          [–]diatom15 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
          Why do they hate women so much. Why hate vaginas so much. Why hate female sexuality. Jesus why are these people so shitty.
          [–]ShadySim -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
          I sincerely think that Muslim men are the most sexually insecure males. In America I'm cool with their women wearing head scarves and all but when they come in with a face veil or just able to see their eyes, I question why they even bothered coming to my country.
          [–]overactive-bladder 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
          i once talked with a muslim guy who was whining about not getting some with girls in europe. he told me "guys here are uncut. they cannot fuck good like us circumcized guys".
          oooooook 70% of the world's male population cannot fuck well...they are insecure because they are stuck between a very conservative religion and the modern world and its temptations. you have no idea how dissociated they are and how complicated life is for them. to safekeep appearances among their family members, and pursue all the "sins" that are haram. heck i met an actively gay muslim once who frowned on tattoos as they are haram....
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            [–]cactisaurus 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
            The cognitive dissonance in this thread is astounding.
            [–]metalyger 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
            Of course you still have whiny dudes crying about circumcision being the most evil thing in the world and it must be banned. Hashtag dick skin matters more.
            [–]Reverserer 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
            While i hear your sentiment - circumcision is a form of male genital mutilation.
            No it is not as bad as FGM - but that doesn't mean it's not bad in it's own right. Also, calling someone 'whiny' doesn't help your point, especially when they have every right to be 'whiny'.
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