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[–]Deanemc 881ポイント882ポイント  (57子コメント)

I always knew that them aussies were part of the minutemen

[–]R_MA 309ポイント310ポイント  (43子コメント)

General, another settlement needs your help!

[–]tellmetolearnnihongo 248ポイント249ポイント  (37子コメント)

Roight on it m8

[–]_Mittens 115ポイント116ポイント  (35子コメント)

Hurry, a group of rabid dingos are attacking Finch Farms! Here, I'll mark it on your map!

[–]tellmetolearnnihongo 70ポイント71ポイント  (25子コメント)

No wukkaz. 'ave a few bevos later ay?

[–]1Darkest_Knight1 39ポイント40ポイント  (22子コメント)

you bring the sheilas and I'll shag a carton and a pack of winnie blues.

Is Jonno coming?

[–]the_arkane_one 63ポイント64ポイント  (19子コメント)

You're gonna fuck a carton ?

[–]1Darkest_Knight1 30ポイント31ポイント  (15子コメント)

shag, snag, same difference mate. If the Sheilas aint playing then a blokes gotta try something new I guess

[–]Raincoats_George 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bevies with the boys. Bevies with the boys

[–]Evilmaze 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Too late, the dingos ate moy baby.

[–]TheHasegawaEffect 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well I'm not 'ere to fuck spoydahs, aye?

[–]mebeover9000 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

spoydahs? well if we're doing this then Americans say it 'spaadurrs'

[–]Beowolf241 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Map Marker Added: Gallipoli

[–]Ridgeback_UK 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kellog was a Dingo all along.

[–]FatMonkeyUK 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another trench needs your help

[–]azirale 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fun fact, the slouch hat is still part of the Australian military dress uniform.

[–]bcJonesy 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

The current map that is out the races make sense as it would have been the British India army against the Ottomans. I have no idea what the fuss is about.

However given the developers have banged on about historical accuracy I have a problem with the fact everyone runs around with semiauto rifles, sub machine guns, and carrying machine guns like it's no problem. Why is the scout the only one with the bolt action rifle?

It's about as accurate as Braveheart is to historical accuracy.

Don't get me wrong I have enjoyed the beta so far but it might as well be Battlefield: Steam Punk

[–]Kill_Kayt 948ポイント949ポイント  (139子コメント)

I believe this is the opposite of white washing.

[–]Gerroh 423ポイント424ポイント  (20子コメント)

Black bathing?

Brown blasting?

Dark dipping?

[–]TaintedTango 58ポイント59ポイント  (5子コメント)

Brown Blasting works well for this, It implies violence.

[–]PancakeZombie 76ポイント77ポイント  (15子コメント)

Black german soldier.

Nothing unusual here.

Edit: As some have already pointed out, Germany did in fact have african troops.

From Wikipedia:

The German Colonial Army (Schutztruppe) of the German Empire employed native troops with European officers and NCOs in its colonies. The main concentration of such locally recruited troops was in German East Africa (now Tanzania), formed in 1881 after the transfer of the Wissmanntruppe (raised in 1889 to suppress the Abushiri Revolt) to German imperial control.

[–]thekerub 90ポイント91ポイント  (10子コメント)

Extremely unusual for WW1. There were some in the colonies but they didn't have similar equipment. There are no reports about black German soldiers fighting in the European theater.

[–]PancakeZombie 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

As that guy in the BF Forums said. BF1 is not exactly historical accurate in the first place, but this disrespects the Harlem Hellfighters.

[–]thekerub 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

In what way does depicting black soldiers of other nations' armies disrespect the Harlem Hellfighters?

[–]PancakeZombie 37ポイント38ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm no expert in that matter, so i don't want to dive too deep into it, but i imagine it's because during the time of the wars they stood for equality as an opposition to the heavy racism going in these times. Sprinkling blacks all over the Central Powers faction devalues that and is considered a greater insult than "white-washing".

But again, i'm no expert in this and feel like this is not my thing to complain about.

[–]unknownhero96 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

the axis were an alliance in World War Two. The alliance the german reich was part of in World War 1 was called "the central powers" (german: Mittelmächte).

[–]Keenbean248 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can guarantee you no Harlem Hellfighter would be offended by black soldier characters in a video game...

[–]ItKeepsComingAgain 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the Hellfighters actually fought in the European theatre... Dice is just finding random groups of Black soldiers and making them the mainstay of the Europe conflict..

[–]thecactusman17 105ポイント106ポイント  (89子コメント)

Listening to "Blueprint for Armageddon" by Hard Core History, about WW1 specifically.

The French in particular had a number of colonies throughout Africa, from Morocco to the Congo. They called up reserves from all over. So yeah, the French were almost as likely to include black and middle eastern soldiers as white boys from Paris.

Similarly, the British had the Ghurkas. And then off course there were the Turks.

[–]bugme143 148ポイント149ポイント  (35子コメント)

Nobody's arguing that each country didn't have soldiers of color.

What they're complaining about is that you can only play a British Ghurkha, or other black soldier.

[–]Rakulon 124ポイント125ポイント  (21子コメント)

Well, for the current map released for the beta this is accurate.

British Indian Army vs Turkey.

[–]playgrop 47ポイント48ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ottomans* big difference between turkey and ottomans

[–]orzof 47ポイント48ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is the difference that people get mad when I put my feet up on the turkey?

[–]playgrop 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well they would also be mad if you put your feet on sultan osman the first sooooooooooooooo

[–]In_It_2_Quinn_It 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've yet to see a black soldier on the British side, but loads of Ghurkhas and whites. I believe it's linked to the class you choose.

[–]fenian1798 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

British assault troops and snipers are black. Medics are Gurkha . Support troops, pilots and cavalry are all white. The Ottoman troops all look and speak Turkish regardless of which class you pick.

[–]sapper92 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they're just the default models for the beta but you will probably be able to change it like other battlefield games

[–]JoushMark[🍰] 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

If by almost as likely you mean 1/26th as likely, then yes. French colonial troops came from everywhere but made up only a very small portion of the French Army.

[–]yoshi570 67ポイント68ポイント  (2子コメント)

French here. Colonial troops were a minority.

[–]Rakulon 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

In France, yes.

In the map out currently? There are no French at all, because its British Indian Army vs Turkey.

[–]Rakulon 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

These are not similar. The French called them to the Western Front, and overwhelmingly there the forces of each belligerent were of European decent.

The British Indian Army's combatant strength was primarily Indian. They fought Turks but in Mesopotamia and Palestine, not the Western front, simply because that was the fastest way to get English Forces there. Those battles would be virtually entirely Indian vs Middle eastern. (White men were commanding officers)

Taking it back to the French point, 'just as likely' is completely false for Western front fighting.

[–]Target880 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not quite true. There was Indian troops on the western front https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Army_during_World_War_I#Indian_Expeditionary_Force_A 130,000 Indian troops served in France and Belgium and almost 9,000 died. But it true that most Indian was not on the western front since the total number of Indian troops that served overseas was >1,000,000 soldiers and 62,000 dead. The Indian troops was only a smal fraction of all Soldiers that served on the western front.

[–]Ob1konoli 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

But the Germans didn't have blacks. In fact they used the British and French using black troops to occupy German territory after the war as a political move by stating that these "savages" were pillaging and raping the German people.

[–]thekerub 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Germans had a lot of black soldiers fighting in their colonies in Africa against British forces. None in Europe though, unlike WW2.

[–]Sekret_One 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mechanically, they should just make the top 1% players on the British side just have Ghurka models. Only way to be accurate.

[–]HILLARY_4_TREASON 20ポイント21ポイント  (17子コメント)

So yeah, the French were almost as likely to include black and middle eastern soldiers as white boys from Paris.

Yeah, no. Use Google to look up photos of the trenches sometime and count how many non-white faces you see.

[–]shittyinsults 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

You can't be this dumb. Obviously France sent most of their colored soldiers to defend their colonial territories, not mainland France. Did you forget that it was called World War 1? Trenches pretty much only existed along France and Germany. The Eastern front and pretty much everywhere else didn't have that shit.

[–]DUTCH_DUDES 94ポイント95ポイント  (19子コメント)

Just to be clear, leaks from dataminers say there is soldier customization in the game and white people will be in it, just that these are the models they chose to go with in the beta for some reason.

Edit: Here's the proof :D

[–]sidvicc 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good point, although the Beta is in the desert where, from what I gather, the fighting was between the British Indian Army and the Ottomans.

[–]OneMoreSolipsist 59ポイント60ポイント  (10子コメント)

Listen to this guy: trying to provide a clear, concise and sensible response rather than jumping to conclusions and fuelling the need for bucktooth John Citizen to whip himself into a political-correctness and racist frenzy.

You should be ashamed of yourself, get with the times.

[–]DUTCH_DUDES 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I also have proof now, here is the picture found by dataminers :)

[–]imsohungryplzfeed 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

But, but... How can I justify my racism now?!?!?

[–]thelittleking 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

and white people will be in it

Were people actually doubting this??

[–]rileyk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haven't you heard? White genocide is rampant and white males, especially gamers, are the most discriminated against group in the world.

[–]Jumbso 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

and white people will be in it

Dammit

[–]everypostepic 102ポイント103ポイント  (84子コメント)

[–]Kniucht 289ポイント290ポイント  (76子コメント)

Fucking hilarious that a non-entity like the US is in launch but the French aren't.

[–]LongWaysFromHome 42ポイント43ポイント  (9子コメント)

They'd lose way more money with US being DLC than French, due to market shares, probably.

[–]ClimbingC 44ポイント45ポイント  (6子コメント)

Or perhaps they would make more, as the yanks would be more willing to pay for a DLC that include themselves?

[–]thaddeus423 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

American here. Definitely don't give a fuck who I play as.

Typically it's more interesting to play as non Americans, since I know most of America's history.

I wouldn't even mind US being left out, but I would probably buy a premium DLC of the American history during this time period, if nothing else to play with iconic vehicles from history.

[–]Oaker_Jelly 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can confirm, authentic presentation is by far the most important quality I wanted this game to possess. Unfortunately it's been a heap of dissapointment in that regard.

[–]Toni-Draco 303ポイント304ポイント  (80子コメント)

I could be wrong, but I'm not familiar with black German soldiers during this time

[–]The_Naked_Snake 261ポイント262ポイント  (70子コメント)

You aren't wrong if you aren't familiar with it, but both sides used colonial (colored) troops in regions like Africa (where the beta map takes place).

So while it wouldn't make much sense to have colored troops in some areas of conflict, it makes perfect sense to have them in others. It's a videogame, not a documentary though, of course it will take liberties.

[–]Rakulon 59ポイント60ポイント  (38子コメント)

The Beta does not take place in Africa, and the African Theater of War's deaths actually caused by the war are hardly mentionable unless out of historical accuracy. Somthing like less than 50k? Divisions of 50k melted daily in Europe. That said, the death in the African Theater was mostly caused by famine and brought it up to closer to 350k. Still not very much in terms of the war, but a terrible loss of life.

That said, the beta is a fuck-wit version of Lawrence of Arabia and is closer to fighting that would have occurred near Gaza or Amman. The troops would have been Indian men from the British Indian Army and Turkish Rifleman from the Ottoman Empire. Location wrong, infantry race correct.

[–]The_Naked_Snake 49ポイント50ポイント  (14子コメント)

My apologies. The beta takes place bordering Africa. But it really is the same region and was a theater in World War I so at this point it's splitting hairs.

You make a fair point about sickness and famine being a large factor in the deaths, but even if it wasn't historically memorable, it's still interesting. Especially embellished as it is. Though WWI gets the shaft as far as media goes, Battlefield I isn't even the first piece of media to give focus to the relatively small African Theater of War. Why not focus on the "little" things, as awful as calling 50K deaths "little" is?

The beta isn't historically accurate, but at this point are we really expecting videogames to be? Were it to be 100% accurate, something tells me players wouldn't have a great time..

[–]Cdwollan 43ポイント44ポイント  (8子コメント)

But I want equipment that doesn't work and to die of infection in month long multiplayer matches.

[–]The_Naked_Snake 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

It doesn't all have to be bad! Unlike a lot of others, my online friends and I will be sitting in a trench writing PSN messages letters to our loved ones until an appropriate officer blows the whistle to go over the top. All these order-shucking online players who have no idea how to have fun are all running around willy nilly capturing bases like madmen.

/s (in case I need it)

[–]rbsanford 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

...or not correct. If the troops are Indian and Turkish, then why are they black?

[–]Havasushaun 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Beta takes place in Sinai, which is geographically Asia not Africa.

[–]spaghettiAstar 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

They did, in fact they tried to get black American soldiers to switch sides by telling them they had no issues with them, and pointing out how poorly the Americans treated them. Didn't work though.

[–]Dunedayn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This strategy seems vaguely familiar in current events.

[–]TheNotoriousAMP 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

German Askari's served in very large numbers in the East African and Namibian theatres, fighting until the end of the war.

[–]jarrys88 30ポイント31ポイント  (11子コメント)

There's an aussie in BF1?

we know turkey is.

does that mean we get rush on galipoli!

EDIT: Yep, quick search of older threads on /r/battlefield, theres a map called ANZAC COVE. Hells yeah!!!

[–]OneMoreSolipsist 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Rats of Tobruk would also make an interesting premise for a rush map in the African/middle-eastern theatre imo.

[–]LaxSagacity 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a lot of spawning with no cover, so gallipoli is possible.

[–]Jimbob2010 50ポイント51ポイント  (3子コメント)

Remove the question mark and change it to "DLC required"

[–]BerkeleyHunt 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

What annoys me as an Australian isnt that the aussie is black, its that his features dont resemble Australian Aboriginees, our native people who were the vast majority of black people in our country until not long ago. The Aussie guy here just looks American, it would have been cool to see our culture represented faithfully with an aboriginal soldier instead of someone completely different.

[–]EnVeeZy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Australia looks like they have settlements that need their help.

[–]guyfromiowa 120ポイント121ポイント  (39子コメント)

my question is where are the white guys?

[–]Rakulon 262ポイント263ポイント  (17子コメント)

Dying by the millions in Europe, no where near the area this map takes place in.

Edit: Downvoted for facts so will copypasta even more facts @ you from another post I made.

The Mesopotamian and Palestinian theater of WW1, because jack fucking shit of it happened in the Sinai Peninsula and no one has ever called it this outside of Lawrence movies, started with 5,000 Indian troops (British 16th Brigade) vs 5000~ Turkish (Riflemen and mostly irregular) troops. Within months the 6th Division (again, Indian in generally fighting force but predominately commanded by White English Officers) reinforced them and was lost to the Ottoman. (So about 40,000 men in total lost). Skip forward to the end of the War, and you still have about 92,000 dead British Indian Army (so, mostly brown) men and a very large and unknown amount of Turkish dead with another 40k prisoner. The full strength the British Empire in the region during 1918 was 414,000 men and of the 112,000 combat troops in that number a large portion (70,000~) were Indian or Anzac. In this regard the game is incredibly accurate. In the desert there would be white men, but they would not be fighting on the front. They would be piloting or more likely commanding. (TDLR of this section is that WWI desert fighting started and ended mostly brown)

The actual map is the biggest fucking farce to me because there are thousands of military history maps they could have had a grand time recreating but instead they did this shit-hole. Product Managers? Who controlled this? I did some looking through some of my books and its like they took the sandstorms from outside El Arish, the trains from around Dera and then the terrain from Amman. These are ~400 miles apart and separated by water.

That said, despite great and lengthy contributions by the British Indian Army the entire theater of war was indeed every bit the "Sideshow" it was called then by comparison to the European fronts who's death toll, army sizes and all around brutal dehumanizing tactics dwarfed it. Germany suffered a literal blow to their population. Frances mobilized armed forces suffered 73.3% casualties.

[–]AndrasKrigare 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

The actual map is the biggest fucking farce to me because there are thousands of military history maps they could have had a grand time recreating but instead they did this shit-hole. Product Managers? Who controlled this? I did some looking through some of my books and its like they took the sandstorms from outside El Arish, the trains from around Dera and then the terrain from Amman. These are ~400 miles apart and separated by water.

Genuine question: does there exist a battlefield in the war that actually had those features? I'm assuming they wanted the train and sandstorm for gameplay purposes, and semi-randomly picked that location. Was there a better option they missed?

[–]Rakulon 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Two better options are: The operations in 1917 around Gaza: the Third Battle of Gaza, The battle of Junction Station and the Capture of Jerusalem seem best.

or

The battle of Megiddo because it is more or less what the actual map seems based on anyways, and had the real Lawrence of Arabia. Look at Amman in the lower right and rotate the map in your head via the train tracks of the in game map

and as a third option because most of the real fighting was at it, The many Sieges of Kut (and Basra).

[–]WololoRogan 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You really think they dare opening the can of worms of blowing up Jerusalem?

[–]Darddeac 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Downvoted for facts

/reddit

[–]falconbox 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Doesn't matter what map it is. These characters were all black on St. Quentin Scar in the alpha as well.

[–]Lutsaga 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hear ya! Upvote for ya.

[–]GrigoriTheDragon 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

This comment only makes sense if on the other maps, there are more white soldiers. I'm gonna go ahead and doubt that, but I guess we'll see on release.

[–]Rakulon 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

100%

If on the other maps in Europe it is the same, then they get 1/howevermanymapstheymake correct

[–]HinkleysBane 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indians and Turks are not black.

[–]HinkleysBane 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see no Indians/Ottomans in the OP, only blacks.

[–]boomership 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you begin the game, there are different squads that you can choose from and each class from those different squads have slightly different uniforms and races. There are different characters/races in each squad that you can choose from in the game. No one here seems to have mentioned that.

The picture only shows four characters out of many others. Not sure if there's a list of them all, but I'll try to find one.

In short, yes there are white guys and other races too. This picture just squeezed it all into three black guys (even if there's four classes). The picture could've added a white guy to that empty box, but it would probably be a British, German, or Australian soldier and not French. A few comments are saying that there's going to be some DLC about France later.

[–]Asnerek 46ポイント47ポイント  (31子コメント)

Most countries did use some colonial regiments, but the European part of the conflict back then had mostly white Europeans. Even in WW2 in the European theater that was still the case for the most part. I understand people like their ethnicity being represented in a game, but you cannot make history more diverse, it just doesn't work that way.

From what I've seen Battlefield 1 isn't historically accurate on most fronts and rather wants to make it some spectacular experience, using all kinds of experimental weaponry that was used in WW1 on a much smaller scale, or only near the end of the war.

Personally I'd love to see a game that differs between conflicts in the early years vs the later years. WW1 marked the end for the use of traditional hussar regiments for instance, would love to see a map without tanks that has light cavalry instead.

If you are looking for more historical accuracy you are better off playing Verdun. Leaving out france in the main game of a WW1 game is just insulting.

[–]kelkelt 39ポイント40ポイント  (13子コメント)

you cannot make history more diverse, it just doesn't work that way

Won't stop 'em from trying.

[–]Deltascourge 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

I remember the good old days of "Why are there no black people in The Witcher 3, even though it takes place in medieval Poland"

[–]bansDontWork1 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

"He who controls the past controls the present" and all that.

[–]HinkleysBane 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually it's "Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past."

[–]Rakulon 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

On proportions of African/Middle Eastern/Indian combatants it seems easier to just attribute it to lack of understanding of the Theaters of War.

The Mesopotamia and Palestinian theater of WW1, because jack fucking shit of it happened in the Sinai Peninsula and no one has ever called it this outside of Lawrence movies, started with 5,000 Indian troops (British 16th Brigade) vs 5000~ Turkish (Riflemen and mostly irregular) troops. Within months the 6th Division (again, Indian in generally fighting force but predominately commanded by White English Officers) reinforced them and was lost to the Ottoman. (So about 40,000 men in total lost). Skip forward to the end of the War, and you still have about 92,000 dead British Indian Army (so, mostly brown) men and a very large and unknown amount of Turkish dead with another 40k prisoner. The full strength the British Empire in the region during 1918 was 414,000 men and of the 112,000 combat troops in that number a large portion (70,000~) were Indian or Anzac. In this regard the game is incredibly accurate. In the desert there would be white men, but they would not be fighting on the front. They would be piloting or more likely commanding.

The above section is saying is that WWI desert fighting started and ended mostly brown.

The actual map is the biggest fucking farce to me because there are thousands of military history maps they could have had a grand time recreating but instead they did this made up place. Product Managers? Who controlled this? I did some looking through some of my books and its like they took the sandstorms from above Nekhl, the trains from around Dera and then the terrain from Amman. These are ~400 miles apart before you consider the respective actions took places in different years.

So, considering this is still beta and that the setting of the map is a little embellished for desert flavor, the soldiers in it are fairly accurate. I will be disappointed and surprised if they attention to detail for that, but would not have predominantly white characters in northern France.

[–]Shin-LaC 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hang on, what color do you think Turks are?

[–]DirtyYogurt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends on which part. People from Western Turkey tend to have lighter skin. Eastern Turks have darker skin. Here's my wife and friends enjoying thanksgiving. Southeast Turkey.

[–]Wynyard 25ポイント26ポイント  (18子コメント)

A black Australian? I moved from Boston to Sydney and this has to be the whitest place on earth, besides the sizeable Asian community.

[–]nayplum 9ポイント10ポイント  (11子コメント)

In World War One, there were a few Indigenous Australians fighting, not a lot, but a few, something like 1000 out of the 400,000 enlisted were Aboriginals/Torres Strait Islanders.

[–]Wynyard 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

I understand that, but Aboriginals do not look black. They have dark skin, sure, but the similar features kinda stop there.

But yeah, fair point.

[–]LaxSagacity 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to target you, but I have read a bit where American's seem to think the lack of black people in Australia is some weird racism thing. We just didn't have the import slave industry from Africa. There were not that many Aborigines. They were wiped out extensively. In more remote places they were slaves (no one ever talks about this). What happened is fucked up. Then it became a very multicultural place but not from Africa.
Although now apparently we're run by racists even though in my bubble melbourne world even people who voted for the racist government aren't racist. A weird mix of a bullshit media where it's aim is to keep people ignorant and to appeal to the most ignorant aspects of the least intelligent people.

[–]Arrathir 26ポイント27ポイント  (30子コメント)

Canadian? They did quite a bit in WWI.

[–]bbqwoa 45ポイント46ポイント  (27子コメント)

We all fought as part of the British empire.

[–]Dvalentined666 14ポイント15ポイント  (23子コメント)

Would still be nice for some representation, I mean, they did throw quite a bit of accuracy out the window, so would Canadians in a Vimy Ridge DLC be too much?

[–]bbqwoa 13ポイント14ポイント  (21子コメント)

You're preaching to the choir dog, the Canadians were the most enormous bad-asses of the entire war.

[–]Shigjetar 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just love how people are treating this ONE map from the beta in Northern Africa/Middle East as the full game.

[–]TheLastWarMind 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know whats more insulting the fact indigenous diggers usually don't get coverage or the one time they do, they are depicted as African americans wearing their hat the wrong way. :P

[–]MyCatAteMyPoptart 31ポイント32ポイント  (4子コメント)

There is an armored knight with a mini gun and you are worried about their races?

[–]vgf89 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, aside from the French not being there, the outfits actually aren't half bad. Definitely makes them look more attractive/modern, while still maintaining at least some of the important features.

I can't tell whether the dark skin colors are due to lighting, in-game location, or just making them all black for the hell of it though.

[–]lost_in_thesauce 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Have magical syringes that instantly revive someone after an explosive tank round to the face and nobody bats an eye.

Make a black German soldier and everyone loses their minds.

[–]marty4286 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

The British Indian Army's combatant strength was primarily Indian. They fought Turks but in Mesopotamia and Palestine, not the Western front, simply because that was the fastest way to get English Forces there.

The Indian troops in the Mesopotamian theater were actually in the European theater first, but got moved there because they had too hard a time adapting to northwestern Europe's climate. Troops of all races served on all fronts -- a token number of Turks in the Western Front, a token number of Japanese in the Mediterranean, white enlisted in the African front, the Americans tried to raise Filipino divisions for the western front but the war was over before they could be sent, and so on. It was a World War and people were inducted that could be inducted and deployed where they could be deployed.

One of these guys was actually just a Freikorps member in 1919 and served with Lettow-Vorbeck in Namibia, but a few did serve in Europe during (and before) the war: http://imgur.com/a/XoTZp

[–]hungry-animals 28ポイント29ポイント  (34子コメント)

So in this day and age, why can we just not customize what our soldiers look like? This game isn't historically accurate for the most part, so the race and gender of the soldiers is extremely irrelevant.

[–]Rakulon 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can, its a tab but greyed out in the beta because the full game isn't available for a month still.

[–]DRAGON582 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Full game may have customization, don't quote me on that.

[–]Dreaming_in_a_Coma 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really would love if they had a 1 out of ten thousandth chance(like the special reloading animations) where you spawn in as a women pretending to be a man so she could serve. Bonus points if the characters name is Lee Lemons.

[–]Rakulon 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Character Customization is not out yet, but it exists as a greyed out tab in the game. I assume this will change. That said the current map is as stupid as this is and the comments in this thread. I would go through and rebuttal half the bogus history about proportions of African combatants, but it seems easier to just attribute it to lack of understanding of the size of armies at this time.

The Mesopotamia and Palestinian theater of WW1, because jack fucking shit of it happened in the Sinai Peninsula and no one has ever called it this outside of Lawrence movies, started with 5,000 Indian troops (British 16th Brigade) vs 5000~ Turkish (Riflemen and mostly irregular) troops. Within months the 6th Division (again, Indian in generally fighting force but predominately commanded by White English Officers) reinforced them and was lost to the Ottoman. (So about 40,000 men in total lost). Skip forward to the end of the War, and you still have about 92,000 dead British Indian Army (so, mostly brown) men and a very large and unknown amount of Turkish dead with another 40k prisoner. The full strength the British Empire in the region during 1918 was 414,000 men and of the 112,000 combat troops in that number a large portion (70,000~) were Indian or Anzac. In this regard the game is incredibly accurate. In the desert there would be white men, but they would not be fighting on the front. They would be piloting or more likely commanding. (TDLR of this section is that WWI desert fighting started and ended mostly brown)

The actual map is the biggest fucking farce to me because there are thousands of military history maps they could have had a grand time recreating but instead they did this shit-hole. Product Managers? Who controlled this? I did some looking through some of my books and its like they took the sandstorms from outside El Arish, the trains from around Dera and then the terrain from Amman. These are ~400 miles apart and separated by water.

That said, despite great and lengthy contributions by the British Indian Army the entire theater of war was indeed every bit the "Sideshow" it was called then by comparison to the European fronts who's death toll, army sizes and all around brutal dehumanizing tactics dwarfed it. Germany suffered a literal blow to their population. Frances mobilized armed forces suffered 73.3% casualties. Put the numbers above into perspective with 37,466,904 casualties in armed forces alone. Not civilian or Spanish influenza related.

[–]TheMexicanJuan 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Africans did fight the WWI.

Also, for the french there is a high chance DICE includes north african fighters, especially Moroccans who fought with France in WWI and Indo-Chine war, Morocco was a French protectorate back then.

[–]ColoniseMars 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Black germans? What now?

[–]Pyroven 48ポイント49ポイント  (6子コメント)

An unrealistic game has unrealistic elements and people care because they think the social justice warriors are winning. It's not even the most unrealistic thing in the game.

[–]yakityyakblah 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The social justice warriors have now become an excuse to just act exactly like they do. The SJWs act on the moral highground of improving things for minorities, the anti-SJWs act on the moral highground of stopping artists from being strong armed into compromising their work. The reality is that they are both competing market forces that developers will pander to or ignore as is convenient or profitable.

Honestly, I'd say they included more black soldiers because black people buy videogames too, and they never suspected that anyone would actually be offended by them including black people in their game. Because honestly, it takes an amazing sequence of mental gymnastics to be upset about this while not being racist.

[–]The_Naked_Snake 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

The other day I killed a horseback rider with the wing of my plane.

"B-but, black people in muh unrealistic piece of shallow entertainment!"

[–]WhenIDecide 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

Seriously. A year ago these folks were saying how social activists were ruining developer freedom, but now anytime a developers does something that could even slightly be interpreted as supportive of said movement, they bash the hell out of the developers.

Apparently its all about developer freedom only as long as nothing ever changes.

[–]Nan0machines 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm utterly baffled why a black guy is representing WW1 Germany. And all the soldiers look so modern and clean. Like some modern college students just put on some costumes. The Ottomans look pretty cool on the beta map though. Definitely my favorite

[–]Xvx234 141ポイント142ポイント  (98子コメント)

It's current year, being white is racist

[–]JacobKebm 44ポイント45ポイント  (13子コメント)

if all video game protagonists aren't white males then I'm being discriminated against

[–]Rakulon 125ポイント126ポイント  (33子コメント)

No just historically accurate for the Map out right now in Beta.

The Mesopotamia and Palestinian theater of WW1, because jack fucking shit of it happened in the Sinai and no one has pretended it did outside of Lawrence movies, started with 5,000 Indian troops (British Indian Army 16th Brigade) vs 5000~ Turkish (Riflemen and mostly irregular) troops. Within months the 6th Division (again, Indian in generally fighting force but commanded by Townshend's English Officers) reinforced them and was lost to the Ottoman. (So about 40,000 men in total lost). Skip forward to the end of the War, and you still have about 92,000 dead British Indian Army (so, brown) men and a very large and unknown amount of Turkish dead with another 40k prisoner. The full strength the British Empire in the region during the end of 1918 was 414,000 men and of the 112,000 combat troops in that number a large portion (70,000~) were Indian or Anzac. In this regard the game is incredibly accurate. In the desert there would be white men, but they would not be fighting on the front. They would be piloting or more likely commanding.

[–]mygirl_ 96ポイント97ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're a walking stereotype.

[–]imsohungryplzfeed 49ポイント50ポイント  (12子コメント)

Oh fucking please. Go back to /r/the_donald with this white fragility bullshit.

Edit: keep downvoting me you racist losers. Doesn't change the reality that you're sad, low energy, racists.

[–]kingssman 18ポイント19ポイント  (7子コメント)

When the privilege encounters equality, it feels like oppression.

Kinda like a broken OP class gets a nerf to be more balanced and the players whine because they have to compete now without their instant win buttons.

[–]nastler 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

But there were people of color involved in the war

[–]BoomEruption 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pfft, don't be silly, black people didn't exist back then. /s

[–]Bob_Bobinson 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Germany had colonies in Africa. The UK had colonies in Africa. There are black people in Australia. I do not know what this 'French' thing is though. It sounds disappointing.

[–]Zanlios 13ポイント14ポイント  (11子コメント)

I mean its not historically 100% accurate but whatever right?

[–]liquidxlax 17ポイント18ポイント  (7子コメント)

not even close to accurate. prototype weapons that never saw combat out the wazooo, no trench warfare and a bunch of other bull

[–]playgrop 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ottoman? Russians? Where are they? One is in the game!

[–]Noggin-a-Floggin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a little surprised the Australians made it in over the Canadians (not knocking you Aussies).

[–]Tuaam_Is_Back 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait no Ottomans?

gg 0/10

[–]I_Say_Boat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously, where the FUCK is France. WW1 was their war just as much as the Germans.

[–]NamelessHexer 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, we all know these black German Soldiers in WW1+2... seriously, wtf is DICE thinking here? Why not put Asian Women as German Soliders? That makes as much sense!