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Armed protesters are now surrounding Brock Turner's home (usuncut.com)

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[–]klor0 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

You reap what you sow.

[–]cfrey 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

They should also be outside the rape-enabling judge's house.

[–]Misiame 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

Fuck em up.

And lol, all the libbies in Gamerghazi are getting all skittish by all the "proles" taking justice away from the corrupt system and into their own hands.

Everyone should support vigilante justice against rapist scum and their apologists.

[–]danharaj 10ポイント11ポイント  (10子コメント)

gamerghazi is utter garbage. it's a place for liberals, mostly men, mostly white, mostly cis, mostly straight to feel like they're fantastic allies who are morally superior because they aren't literally nazis. I got banned after throwing a fit and picking a fight with a tone policing mod because those chuckleheads were applauding Obama for being a feminist and downvoting anyone criticizing his imperialist murders, which, somehow, according to them, have nothing to do with feminism.

It's yet another liberal smug hole on the Internet.

[–]12HectaresOfAcidbecause otherwise they'd change really frequently 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Obama for being a feminist and downvoting anyone criticizing his imperialist murders, which, somehow, according to them, have nothing to do with feminism.

feminism somehow provoked Obama's imperialism?

[–]danharaj 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Feminism is fundamentally opposed to imperialism. Imperialism is an inherently patriarchal program of domination. Feminism and anti-colonialism are completely intertwined, the issues that affect women under colonialism are both feminist issues and anti-colonial issues. Drone bombings are a feminist issue. The leader of the most violent imperialist nation in the world cannot be a feminist, no matter how many letters he writes to his daughters that get published in Vogue.

[–]12HectaresOfAcidbecause otherwise they'd change really frequently 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I get that but I thought you were saying feminism is pro-imperialist (perhaps capitalist commodified feminism...)

[–]danharaj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh yea no. i should have been clear. my gripe with gamerghazi is that their brand of liberal feminism is offensively watered down and basically operates only to allow straight white men to think of themselves as virtuous allies for meeting comically low standards of politeness. Liberal feminism is so god-awful and all it does is push out legitimate discussion of liberatory feminism which is incompatible with capitalism or anyone in the American military or an accomplice in its crimes.

you see it in their discussion about Brock Turner here too. Even though their awful institutions have failed in the worst way possible, they refuse to acknowledge that people are legitimately angry and their criminal court system has made a mockery of justice. Theirs cannot possibly be anything worthy of the name feminism. It's not worth your time, but if you like reading garbage for teh lulz just look at their comments and count the instances of smug condescension and virtuous posturing.

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    [–]danharaj 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

    You're adorable.

    This is why smug liberals are insufferable. They think that being upset immediately disqualifies you from having a legitimate viewpoint. I was arguing with a bunch of privileged assholes who insisted that Obama's violence in the Middle East had nothing to do with feminism. Most of my extended family have been refugees of some conflict or another directly or indirectly agitated by the US government.

    I was accused of being irrational, of being childish, of being from KiA because I was visibly angry. I was accused of arguing in bad faith, that i didn't really care about people in the middle east and their plight, i just wanted an excuse to be edgy and criticize president Obama. One particular asshole said my opinion was wrong because I was too naive to see how necessary and realistic Obama's policy of violence in the Middle East has been. The smug liberal always has quick and easy excuses to dismiss the mass violence perpetrated by their leaders.

    The smug liberal only wants to feel morally superior. They voice their opposition to literal fascists, which takes no effort, and call it a day. When marginalized people are angry, they are belittled, ignored, and silenced. The smug liberal has no idea why anyone could possibly be angry with the institutions they adore. If you call someone childish for being upset or angry, you're a smug asshole full stop.

    Go away, smug liberal.

    [–]CobraCommanderVII 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Props to the protesters, fuck that guy. I actually live super close to there when I'm not at college, I would be with em if not for that.

    [–]TusilosFULL COMMUNIST 10ポイント11ポイント  (30子コメント)

    Castrate all rapists

    Uhhh... Don't do that. There are other, better punishments than mutilation.

    [–]davydagger2Black Cap 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

    agree, this biblical shit needs to end.

    [–]nowaydaddiohBURN THE UNIVERSE -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Look at you pleading for mercy for rapists. Good job!

    [–]davydagger2Black Cap 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

    what? I am just suggesting that torture is unethical. Its just as unethical for the worst of humanity as it is for anyone else.

    [–]warlordzephyr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree. If we subscribe to the Anarchist notion that every use of power and force must be able to express it's justification, and if that justification is found wanting such actions must be stopped, then I as an Anarchist cannot abide torture and mutilation in such a manner. I am yet to see an adequate justification for revenge or the castration of rapists.

    [–]nowaydaddiohBURN THE UNIVERSE -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Stopping a rapist from raping again is unethical. A surgical procedure is torture.

    [–]TusilosFULL COMMUNIST 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    It's mutilation. Permanent and serious damage.

    [–]klor0 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    chemical castration (the method used) is actually not permanent, and is really just a libido suppressant.

    [–]nowaydaddiohBURN THE UNIVERSE -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Permanent and serious damage.

    Oh, you mean rape?

    [–]TusilosFULL COMMUNIST 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Eye for an eye then? Let's torture everyone! Fuck ethics right?

    [–]nowaydaddiohBURN THE UNIVERSE 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The only one I can think of is execution.

    [–]AnarkatCastrate all cops and liberals -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Anarcho-liberalism needs to die.

    [–]nowaydaddiohBURN THE UNIVERSE 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You'd have to burn this whole sub to the ground.

    [–]-Enkara-Bash the fash -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Like what?

    Will they also prevent him from getting it up?

    [–]12HectaresOfAcidbecause otherwise they'd change really frequently 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    the victim beating the fucking shit out of him

    [–]nowaydaddiohBURN THE UNIVERSE 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Judging by your downvotes, /r/anarchism does not like it when rapists can't get boners.

    [–]-Enkara-Bash the fash 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's not even like it's even a great solution to rape or anything like that, but watching all the cis guys squirm and call it torture/mutilation is amusing.

    [–]michaeltheobnoxiousJaded as Fuck 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Isn't rape associated mainly to a power thing, rather than a sexual gratification thing...

    When I get a lob on, it's not much to do with power, ergo, simply removing the perpetrators sexual organs will not stop them craving the power trip associated to nonsense crimes.

    [–]michaeltheobnoxiousJaded as Fuck 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    To be clear... I'm all for stringing this fucker up.

    I just don't believe that neutering him is enough of a step to stop his desires toward action for the future.

    [–]AsparagusFetish& feminist 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    allow the victim a few swings with a metal bat wherever they choose

    [–]nowaydaddiohBURN THE UNIVERSE 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nah, he could survive that. Let's not take any chances.

    [–]comradesagefeminist upwardly mobile child of the working class -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Why, because it makes you uncomfortable?

    [–]TusilosFULL COMMUNIST 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

    No. Because it's sort of... you know... inhumane and stupid. People change and cutting off 20yo's body parts is permanent. We want a more human and fair society. So not that.

    [–]comradesagefeminist upwardly mobile child of the working class 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Rape is permanent. You can't be un-raped. It's inhumane and stupid to rape.

    [–]nowaydaddiohBURN THE UNIVERSE 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Rape apologism.

    [–]TusilosFULL COMMUNIST 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Its not rape apologism. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve punishment. I'm saying torture and mutilation is unethical.

    [–]nowaydaddiohBURN THE UNIVERSE 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Your personal code of ethics exists only in your imagination.

    [–]TusilosFULL COMMUNIST 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Fuck you're edgy af.

    Literally everything we anarchists say we're not.

    I give up.

    [–]danharaj 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Morality is a spook. Ethics is a spook. Spooks are a spook. /r/anarchism is a spook.

    [–]Kropotqueer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    we anarchists

    lol

    if you think r/@ is indicative of actual real-life anarchists and not a bunch of bourgeois white teen liberals trying to be ~unique~ you're stupid af.

    r/@ is even worse than fucking revleft.

    [–]AnarkatCastrate all cops and liberals 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're like: rape is bad, but think about the rapist too.

    Stop being a fucking apologist, and stop riding the fence.

    [–]davydagger2Black Cap 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    good. I hope he gets shot. Brock Turner is one of those human beings that needs to be removed from society for the sake of society. His dad probably needs to go to as thats who taught him his fucked up world view.

    [–]nowaydaddiohBURN THE UNIVERSE 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Hopefully his parents hate him so much now that they'll undo their mistake.

    [–]davydagger2Black Cap 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    his parents are the problem. see his dad's cringeworthy letter

    [–]ExterminateTrumpets(Communist) 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ''20 minutes of action''

    [–]LePyromane 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

    “If I rape Brock I will only do 3 months” and “castrate all rapists.”

    wtf

    [–]klor0 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I think the author made a mistake transcribing that sign, from the photo I saw earlier today I think it was meant to say "If I rape Brock, will I only do 3 months?" Not a threat of sexual violence, a jab at the disgusting system that enables sexual violence.

    [–]ysplss 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrfJpXPUsAApxLB.jpg

    [–]comradesagefeminist upwardly mobile child of the working class 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This photo is fucking awesome.

    [–]maustinreddit[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The vulgarity of the system is being reflected back to it. When systems are shown to only be a charade of justice, then people are going to take things into their own hands and it won't look pretty.

    [–]AnarkatCastrate all cops and liberals 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    They should tie him on the tree and hammer him until nobody could recognize his body. Rapists deserve this.

    [–]davydagger2Black Cap 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    No one deserves torture. The worst punishment I advocate is being put down, a quick death.

    [–]nowaydaddiohBURN THE UNIVERSE 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think you should leave that up to his victims.

    [–]davydagger2Black Cap 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Its not about his victims. He's an active threat to society as a whole. He doesn't understand what he did wrong, and thus is a threat to other people.

    [–]comradesagefeminist upwardly mobile child of the working class 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    kill ur rapist

    [–]TusilosFULL COMMUNIST 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

    He's a college kid who had a disgusting upbringing and committed a horrible crime.

    It's not impossible to make this 22yo realize what he did so we shouldn't kill him. We should try to reeducate him and make him work to repay the victim.

    Not hang. Not torture. Not mutilate.

    I hate you people sometimes. I thought we were the objectively good guys.

    [–]hipstergarrus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I thought anarchists generally advocated rehabilitation over punishment. The lynch mob brewing in this thread is unsettling.

    [–]BaronVonMannsechs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Objectively the good guys? yikes

    [–]warlordzephyr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree with you. It is very easy to dehumanise people and it is very easy to be angry. What's harder is to do something to make things better, and that, I believe, is what Anarchism has always been about.

    It is a tragedy that a person was raped. It is a tragedy that somebody could perform that act and it is a tragedy that they, and the people around them, have the attitude towards it that they do. This situation represents a failure on many levels, and is in many ways indicative of the social condtions in the United States. Social conditions that Anarchists are fighting against, fighting so that one day these things stop happening.

    To borrow a line from Che, at the risk of sounding ridiculous, a true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love. In my book empathy for every struggle is what makes a true anarchist, if we are indeed revolutionaries.

    [–]danharaj -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It's so fucking easy to tell other people what labor they should undertake to satisfy your moral code. I would say, do it your fucking self, but you wouldn't. You wouldn't lift a fucking finger to support his victim or reform him. You just "know" what is right and wrong and that gives you smug peace of mind.

    It's so much easier for you to just condemn everyone for being angry.

    P.S. Don't fucking call him a kid. He's an adult. White men always get called kids even when they're grown ass men when they commit violent crimes.

    [–]warlordzephyr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I didn't write the comment but I would do what you are suggesting he wouldn't if I where in a position to.

    [–]hipstergarrus -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    As if the desire for violent retribution doesn't result from a moral code. As if the desire to kill him doesn't lead to smugness over him "getting what he deserved". As if your whining about criticism isn't just blatantly unexamined defensiveness.

    It's quite easy to make assumptions about other people's intentions isn't it?

    [–]danharaj 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    People are angry at injustice. They don't give a shit if this miserable, awful, violent human being suffers. They're upfront about it. Their anger is legitimate. If OP wanted to engage that anger constructively, they failed.

    I hate you people sometimes. I thought we were the objectively good guys.

    Like, what exactly do you think their intention in this comment could have been other than to be condescending, judgmental, and morally superior?

    Personally? I am completely ambivalent. There is so much violence and distress in this world, I will not spare an iota of emotional energy for an unapologetic narcissistic rapist. OP wants people to do emotional labor for the benefit of a rapist. Most of us barely keep it together in our own lives. If someone else wants to put all the effort into redeeming Brock Turner instead of helping the constant victims of capitalism and patriarchy, hey, go ahead. I think it would be a waste of time. His life is of the smallest concern and I don't care what his fate is.

    Anger at a rapist? Something that is quite reasonable to express. What benefit would it possibly be to us to humanize and redeem Brock Turner? We will not descend into violent bedlam just because some of us would like to see a rapist suffer and die. Rape culture has exhausted us all. The moral high ground is for the least invested. If OP wants to be constructive, they could put effort into their comments and explain how they think such anger should be channeled. They could contextualize it in a broader struggle against rape culture. They could put in the effort to reform rapists themselves.

    I don't trust anyone who rejects rage out of hand. I dislike anyone who dismisses other people using morality.

    As if the desire for violent retribution doesn't result from a moral code.

    You don't need to consult a code of conduct to want to punch someone in the face when they shove you into the dirt. You don't need to consult a code of conduct to feel disgust at a rapist, or vindictiveness when they are attacked for being a rapist. These are natural reactions that occur wordlessly. Even an animal understands such things. A moral code is for the detached, the uninvested. That's my opinion anyway.

    [–]hipstergarrus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I appreciate the time you took to write this response. You might have a point about morality only mattering to those who are more detached. Maybe I would not be as "moralistic" if I had a more visceral response to the story.

    I still can't help but feel uncomfortable when I see people advocate torture or execution against him. Surely there is a middle ground between acknowledging the feelings of those he's affected and respecting his ability to change. Perhaps that's giving him too much credit. Perhaps that's asking too much of survivors. But if we are already radically trying to reshape society can't we come up with a better response to injustice than extreme violence?

    [–]warlordzephyr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I am all for this protest but the idiot is still a human being. If he is anything he is what the United States made him, and thus is nothing but another reason why that institution should be torn down.

    He deserves to be detained, confined, and reformed, not castrated or killed. The state is more measured with it's punishments than some of you.

    Most of us came from ignorance and worse. Another time and another place, in another environment or growing up among others, he could have been you.