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So...is Reddit generally anti-feminist? (self.Feminism)

queenofthera が 投稿

In an r/askreddit thread, I made the mistake of implying that patriarchy exists, (shock horror!) and that its values can have negative effects for men as well as women. (e.g. Motherhood is a woman's 'natural role' therefore men are at a disadvantage I'm custody battles).

People seemed to get quite pissed off about it and assume that I hate all men...which was certainly not what I wanted to convey. I explained my point roughly as I did above. It's not something that I'm upset about. Explained myself calmly and rationally and even made light of the situation.

So is my experience unique? Do you guys find larger subs like Askreddit jump on feminist-leaning comments with a lot of vitriol without seeming to actually address your point? Maybe I live in a liberal bubble but I was quite surprised to the reaction to what I considered an innocuous comment.

Sorry if this post is inappropriately placed here. I've read the rules and I think it should be ok.

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[–]pan_glob 116ポイント117ポイント  (6子コメント)

Reddit is one of the least feminist-friendly places on the web in terms of major sites with millions of users. Feminism to redditors means dramatic tumblr radical feminists. It's a bad word around here. Really dumb but true.

[–]fairly_bookish 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

To be fair, it's understandable how that has happened. Radical fascist "feminists" are a vocal minority, but they're a very vocal minority, and it's the loudest voices that draw the most attention. Assuming that these people represent all of feminism is an easy mistake to make.

[–]KermitHowardMarxist Feminism 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is pretty much true. Reddit hates Muslims for similar reasons.

[–]fairly_bookish 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know that I'd go so far as to say they hate Muslims, but Muslims are demonized for that reason, absolutely.

[–]PM_me_your_zoids -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Assuming that these people represent all of feminism is an easy mistake to make.

This is pretty much true. Reddit hates Muslims for similar reasons.

So... is Reddit generally antifeminist?

Reddit is anti women of course it's anti feminist.

Reddit is one of the least feminist-friendly places on the web in terms of major sites with millions of users.

I wouldn't say reddit is anti-feminist, I would say it's strictly anti-rad feminist.

A lot of it is just privilege blindness, but real anti-feminist sentiment is pretty widespread.

Much of reddit is composed of 15-25 cishet white American males, who are seriously advantaged but think they're somehow disadvantaged.

They seriously think there's some kind of "big feminist conspiracy" against them, and unfortunately rather a LOT of reddit is populated with these kinds of young men

It does seem like an easy mistake to make, doesn't it?

[–]LisaLies 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

They also provide a good example to people who want to prop up the patriarchy. People use them as an example of why feminism is evil.

[–]Salem-Arrak 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

In my experience, I learned words or sentences that giveaway feminist vibes, so I try to avoid them while still maintaining the ideas in my comments. As I learned, people are sometimes willing to listen to feminist ideas and comments if they are articulated well and the people don't notice a hint feminism in them.

For me, I like to discuss the depiction of female characters in the various media I consume. When I write my thoughts well, I don't get mean comments or aggressive arguing; and if I do get them, they are downvoted. But in the cases when I don't write my thoughts well or people notice feminist ideals, I'm the one being downvoted and the aggresive replies upvoted. Often, someone tries arguing against something I didn't say but is linked to usual "feminist arguments".

I stopped replying to people when this happens because I don't feel competent when fighting for feminism. Maybe because I feel bullied, or got people to rally up against me, or because I don't understand feminism well because I'm a guy, but I can't seem to grasp the ability to argue for feminism like I do other subjects or topics. So now when I do write my thoughts about female characters, I try to hide feminist vibes so I don't enter these types of arguments.

[–]queenofthera[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

No worries, you don't need to argue for it. In reality you're never going to change anyone's mind over the internet. You sound like a great guy and what matters more is how we behave in real life :)

[–]RainbowPhoenixGirlQueer Intersex Feminism 148ポイント149ポイント  (33子コメント)

Much of reddit is composed of 15-25 cishet white American males, who are seriously advantaged but think they're somehow disadvantaged. It's not like it's entirely their fault - society tells them a bunch of lies about how "PC culture is destroying <x>" or how "reverse racism/sexism/ableism/etc" is destroying <y>. They're young and impressionable and want to feel like they're edgy and clever, so they drink it up and that can cause them to believe that the "system" is stacked against them, when in fact it's heavily in their favour in almost all areas. Add this to the perceived anonymity of the internet, and people can say very hateful things because they believe they're protected from consequences.

They seriously think there's some kind of "big feminist conspiracy" against them, and unfortunately rather a LOT of reddit is populated with these kinds of young men.

[–]threauaouais 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

By what evidence does said demographic actually think that? Is it something you've actually seen?

From what I've seen, they think that "PC culture" is destroying free speech, but certainly not that the system is actually stacked against them. Similarly, they don't think that (modern) feminism is some conspiracy against them, but that it's a hysterical and irrational system of thought which produces many misandrists. Only some MRAs actually believe that young men are systemically disadvantaged, IME. Most antifeminists don't ascribe to ideas of systemic oppression at all.

[–]fairly_bookish 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

From what I've seen, they think that "PC culture" is destroying free speech

And it is, in certain places. In a lot of ways, "PC culture" has been hijacked by extremists who are actually quite fascist in their tactics. People need to understand that a condemnation of PC extremists is not a condemnation of their beliefs and goals, but of their tactics.

[–]whiskeyandbear 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel this is closer to the truth, I do not agree with people thinking there is a "big feminist conspiracy", that is an over exaggeration. While there are most probably a disproportionate amount of sympathizers on the male side of things, that is most likely because the reddit demographic is mostly male.

[–]queenofthera[S] 27ポイント28ポイント  (18子コメント)

It seems so... :/

It was just so unexpected for me. There seems little point in engaging with them on their level. I've found an effective way of dealing with it is to ironically play to their stereotypes:

"YES I TOTALLY WANT A MATRIARCHY. WHEN I AM SUPREME FEMALE RULER OF THE UNIVERSE I SHALL MENSTRUATE ALL OVER THE PAGES OF HISTORY. THE HISTROY WRITTEN BY MEN!!"

It wrong foots them and they tend not to reply with more shit.

[–]divideandconquer 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

I agree with the poster above and have myself gotten extremely frustrated when engaging in these discussions in the larger subs. When these guys start complaining about female privilege and users point out how that's deluded and sexist in its own way, the response is usually "WHERE IS THE SEXISM IN THIS THREAD? WHEN DID I SAY I WANTED ALL WOMEN TO DIE?" They scream about femi-nazis, yet ironically when you try to have a fair and rational discussion with them, it's like talking to a child who's decided to put on ear muffs. Funny that that's the only response you've found that works, yet not totally surprising. Bringing up abortion rights (or lack thereof) seems to shut them up too.

[–]queenofthera[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

it's like talking to a child who's decided to put on ear muffs

Perfect analogy! This is the sort of shit I'm dealing with:

HIM: "The important thing is that it's all men's fault, even when women are literally committing sexual assault, as in this case."

ME: "I think you know I don't mean that at all. Patriarchy is not the fault of men. It's a result of generations of practice. They're just as subject to its pressures as women are.

HIM: >Patriarchy is not the fault of men.

It's just coincidentally named after them.

I pointed out that I, as a British person, am not responsible for the colonialism of the British Empire. Do not know how to make this any simpler for him. He's absolutely determined to disagree with me.

[–]Sonja_Blu 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, there is no point. In answer to your original comment, yes it absolutely hates feminism. Reddit is filled with misogynists, unfortunately. It's my hope that they're young and will grow out of it, but who knows.

[–]divideandconquer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup, I've seen it first hand. I had commented on a thread, I believe it was on r/news, about my personal experiences in the computer science field and how sexism is definitely still prevalent there. The response was, "I don't even know if these 'experiences' you talk about are even real..." That had to be the most ridiculous one I've encountered. They either cherry pick your responses or just claim they never happened. How do you argue with that?

[–]modulus801 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

HISTROY WRITTEN BY MEN

Did you just create a new word?

[–]queenofthera[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

Indeed. History written entirely by men named Roy. Roytriarchy?

[–]modulus801 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I am sorry, I wasn't trying to mock you for a typo. I was thinking more along the lines of history written exclusively from a male perspective as I am not aware of a word with precisely that meaning.

[–]queenofthera[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I knew you weren't ;) It was just a typo. No worries about mocking me for the typo. One of the askreddit douches leaked over here and I mocked them for typos, so I'm fair game in that respect.

[–]veasse 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

like His-story?

[–]modulus801 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol. I stand corrected.

[–]veasse -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

its a thing i've heard about because 'Her-story' is a thing people have said too

[–]Invyz 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post is so real it's scary

[–]Skeliath 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

As a cis white male, this is so true...

[–]fairly_bookish 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

As another white male... some of it's true and some of it is half-truths and exaggeration.

Yes, reddit is mostly composed of young males. As a result, you'll see a lot of sexist content, but most of that content is humor. The majority of reddit is also overwhelmingly liberal, and most users are very supportive of equality between the sexes, even if their senses of humor can be quite sexist.

There is a distrust of the word "feminism" across much of reddit, but that has occurred because of the impression that feminist extremists represent feminism as a whole. They don't, they're just a vocal minority, but it's the loudest voices who garner the most attention.

The 'attack on PC culture' is, in my estimation, perfectly justified. Certain parts of 'PC culture' have been hijacked by extremists who are attempting to impose their own brand of fascism. These people are not interested in free speech.

But do not confuse the condemnation of PC extremists as a condemnation of PC in general. Those who are condemning PC extremists are doing so in the name of freedom of speech, which is an ideal that feminists should also be striving for, wouldn't you agree?

[–]marche101 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a slight aside, I'd say that most of Reddit is American Liberal. A lot of Reddit's views seem to be quite traditional to me as a person living in the UK. Obviously I'm speaking very generally here and mostly of the default subs.

[–]LisaLies 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wen redditors claim to want equality, it's often men's rights dog whistling. They want men to have more rights because they believe they're disadvantaged, that's their version of equality

[–]fairly_bookish 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does it happen? Sure. Is it the majority of redditors? I don't think so.

[–]Skeliath 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends on where you are on Reddit. A lot of the major subreddits (i.e. the defaults you are subscribed to when you make a new account) have a majority of people who are anti-feminist. And in my opinion, there is no "attack on PC culture." I think that's just a ploy by the (mostly) right-wing to push their agenda.

[–]Juniper_Owl -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

OMG you are so right. This whole conspiracy thing is so ridiculous, especially if you see how outspoken feminists are. We can't just act as if we were equal after millenia of oppression. Structures and Organisations need to make up for that. But nothing about that is conspiratory.

[–]Tirawa 30ポイント31ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think they're pro-feminism ideologically (you know, gun to head, they'd say "sexism sucks and women deserve equality"), but the associations with the word and the behaviour of some of us really turn them off the word "feminist" to what strikes me as an extreme level. I get it; some of us can be really really aggressive, in a way that encourages people to completely shut down rather than have a conversation and open their mind. That's on us, humans aren't very responsive to being blamed for an institution with such a long history and I wish some of those feminists would put the blame on the institution rather than the people they feel benefit from it. Those feminists have given us this really really strong reputation to the average Redditor and they just associate feminist things with people who try to blame them for every problem. It sucks, because some of those people seem to then move on to shouting SJW and covering their ears every time anyone points out a discrepancy in treatment of genders. It's a case where we can both do better, IMO. It's really not fair of them to assume all feminists are like those aggressive blame-throwing ones, but they don't really have a responsibility to give us the benefit of the doubt when some of us really are like that.

That turned into a bit of a rant. It's really depressing, seeing so much anti-feminism around here. But you hang around for long enough and you find a lot of reasonable people speaking up for it (even getting upvoted and gilded) and Redditors being incredibly reasonable and changing their mind a little bit and those moments are always great :)

[–]queenofthera[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

I agree entirely. I do think we can be a bit aggressive sometimes. It really doesn't help.

[–]ifreew 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think the hostility, or even just reserved attitudes towards feminsm comes from the realization that you can problematize and question alomst anything under the sun, however, to question the ideas around feminsm makes many feminists anxious, and anxiety leads to impatience, thus exchanges get tense and people are turned off. When we have, "Just believe the victim, forget due process!", even though I've personally witnessed a plethora of false rape cases, or the idea that can criminalize a man for 'man spreading', but don't ever dare tell a woman to close her legs, or something is inherently wrong with little boys (teach them not to rape), while you can never, ever say anything is wrong with girls, people are going to question those challenges/contradictions. When the questioning is met with vitriol, good folks that were on the fence, listening intently, will throw their hands in the air and decrare that feminists are on their own.

[–]queenofthera[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah spot on. I was just a bit nonplussed because I thought I'd been so moderate and reasonable. I was saying how men as well as women are harmed by fixed gender roles. I think people saw the word 'patriarchy' and went into attack mode.

[–]theindian007 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree after I graduated high school in 2011 and started college, I took a gender studies class and it was probably one of the worst experiences of my life. Every lady in that class was the "man hater" type of feminist and blamed the world's problems on men. And obviously I couldn't understand feminism as a male because that makes sense. So for some time I thought all feminists were like that and that's what the moment had started to become. It took me a while to learn that those type of feminists are just a vocal minority of the group, but it did leave a negative impression on younger me. I can only imagine what it may be like for people who never self reflect on their own opinion.

[–]Tirawa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, my brother, who is openly feminist, completely failed his gender class for being male and a little bit critical. Feminism is about so much more than just women, and being critical about it is so important if it's actually supposed to help. Makes me sad, I talk to him a lot about gender issues and I have absolute faith in his feminism. Thank you for keeping your mind open in spite of that experience.

[–]YourShoelaceIsUntied -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

As one of the males you've described, I'm honestly surprised to see this comment upvoted here.

[–]4chanInventedTheWeb -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The down-votes prove you and u/Tirawa correct. How ironic.

[–]YourShoelaceIsUntied 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh. Kind of expected it. Most of the comments in this thread are the usual "it's ok if we do it" sexism. It really is nice to see some people like tirawa and ifreew that get it.

[–]adhoc92 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Reddit is, by and large, a very liberal website. I think that most people here would consider themselves feminists, or at the very least, supporters of equal rights. But when someone uses a word like "patriarchy", they are immediately pegged as a "Social Justice Warrior", which to Reddit, is far different than Feminism. It is synonymous with the, unfortunately, vocal minority of online Feminist extremists who go beyond fighting for women's rights, to the point where they unapologetically claim that most/all men are stupid bigots.

[–]queenofthera[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think that may be what's happened. I really didn't realise that it was such a trigger word for people.

[–]adhoc92 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the trigger word. Although, for the sake of fairness, it has become somewhat of a buzzword, which is bad for civil debate. It carries a heavy, negative connotation nowadays, whether it should or not. Like every discussion, it's better to thoroughly explain your argument than to contain it all within one word (as you pointed out)

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    [–]demmianTransnational Feminism 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Hm, I would rather we don't invade other subreddits. Comment removed.

    (You can replace that with a screenshot though).

    [–]queenofthera[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah I really don't want to start brigading. I was just genuinely interested in perspectives

    [–]HypnothesisPsy 4ポイント5ポイント  (12子コメント)

    A lot of it is just privilege blindness, but real anti-feminist sentiment is pretty widespread. If you want a glimpse of Reddit's dark, misogynistic side, check out [redacted]

    [–]katashscarAtheist Feminism 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Another terrible one I stumbled upon was something like involuntarily celibate, or something like that. Pretty much a bunch of "nice guys" complaining why women won't have sex with them. Rapists in the making, it's scary.

    [–]queenofthera[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh gawd no I think I'm ok. I'll just climb back inside my happy liberal bubble.

    [–]bagelrocket 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Please don't link it, they'll show up.

    [–]HypnothesisPsy 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Oh god, you're right. Fixed it.

    [–]bagelrocket 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

    They're kind of like beetlejuice, but worse.

    [–]HypnothesisPsy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is my favorite thing today.

    [–]katashscarAtheist Feminism 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Now I'm curious who it was! I can only imagine.

    [–]bagelrocket 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    A certain subreddit named after a reference to the matrix and a warm colored medication.

    [–]katashscarAtheist Feminism 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Ohh OK I know what you're talking about now. The sub that shall not be named haha. I see those people come over here and comment from time to time.

    [–]bagelrocket 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah.. actually writing it out or linking it makes it easy for them to find and they're prone to brigading that way.

    [–]undead_carrot 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm assuming it was one of the pua subs

    [–]katashscarAtheist Feminism 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't know what pua means, I guess I'm still pretty naive for Reddit haha.

    [–]Drakeytown 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    For the most part, yes.

    [–]unseine 3ポイント4ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Yep. It's full of people who see women as objects because they have almost no real interactions with them, and people who believe that even though feminists are a minority they somehow run the whole world just to make young white males lives so difficult.

    [–]queenofthera[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

    That's totally my plan. If I see a young white male, I normally stick out my foot to trip them.

    [–]unseine 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Shit I knew I wasn't actually clumsy! Damn feminists!

    [–]fairly_bookish 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Isn't that kind of a sexist comment?

    [–]queenofthera[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

    it was a joke. It was ironic because that's not my intention at all.

    [–]fairly_bookish 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I understood that it was a joke. But isn't is a sexist joke?

    My point is, in your OP, you're assuming that the overwhelming majority of reddit is sexist, while I would say that the majority of sexist comments on reddit are just jokes made by people who very likely do believe in equality between the sexes.

    Which is not to say that there isn't real sexism here. I just think you might be overstating it.

    [–]queenofthera[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    No, I asked if the general feel on Reddit was anti-feminist. I was asking if my experience was typical. I was not assuming the vast majority of reddit is sexist. I was asking for opinions.

    And no, my joke was not sexist in any way. If you read the exchange thoroughly, you'll see the context. The commenter was saying that he thought that some redditors reacted badly to feminism because they assumed that feminists were the sort of people who are out to get men.

    I made (what I thought was a very clear cut joke) on this idea. The humour coming from how ridiculous is the idea that I would trip up young white men, that my whole efforts as a feminist would be spent on so petty an act. The joke was not derived from the idea of young white men falling over and getting hurt, quite the contrary.

    [–]fairly_bookish 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No, I asked if the general feel on Reddit was anti-feminist. I was asking if my experience was typical

    By the way, if you want my thoughts on that:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/519r2d/sois_reddit_generally_antifeminist/d7aifp1

    I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.

    [–]queenofthera[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I missed this comment originally. I do agree that when extremists get hold of any ideal, it can be damaging to the movement as a whole, no matter how good its original intent. It's a point I've made elsewhere on the thread. You're right about the vocal minority thing. It may be that that's what happened to me. It just seemed a rather large vocal minority for an innocuous comment.

    But that still doesn't illuminate for me what you're getting at with your other point. I think you might have to spell it out for me, I must be missing something.

    [–]fairly_bookish 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Let's flip the script.

    Take the same joke and flip the genders and make it so that it's a man slapping a woman instead of a woman tripping a man.

    Is it sexist, or could it easily be misinterpreted to be sexist?

    [–]queenofthera[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It was not making light of the idea of pain caused to the opposite sex, it was making light of unrealistic/hyperbolised ideas about feminists.

    The situation will not flip precisely. And why change it to slapping? Why not keep the potential violent act the same? (Hypothetically, isn't that sexist, to presume if the situation was switched that a man would talk about performing a more violent act?*)

    So say, for example, a man is walking down the street and someone, out of the blue and with no justification shouts: "You're a woman hater! You hate women!!" The man turns to his friend and says, with heavy sarcasm. "Yeah, I really hate women. Every time I see a woman I just stick my foot out to trip them."

    That's the closest flip I can come to. It's still not sexist. He's taking the piss out of his accuser who is talking rubbish.

    *I really don't think we should bandy about calling each other sexist. It's nitpicky and I assume we're both here because we believe in equality between men and women. Let's focus on that.

    [–]thatguybuster 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This. A lot of these dudes were raised by society or their parents to have this little sheltered bubble around their head about 'how women work'. Then they think it's some kind of joke when women are talking about their serious oppression that's been going on since society was a thing, but nah, we don't need Feminism. /s

    [–]dogGirl666 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What made it 50x worse is the kind of things taught in "abstinence-only sex education" for years and years --funded by the gov to teach basic fundamentalist Christian propaganda. Terrible misinformation made it easy to not understand women at all.

    [–]Heh_Disguised_Toast -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I wouldn't say reddit is anti-feminist, I would say it's strictly anti-rad feminist. But, there is a vocal minority of aggressive feminists who blame white men for things they've never heard of. When you throw blame at people for some thing they do/have not had/have something to do with. Reddit often confuses dictionary feminism with the angry, bitter, socialist anti-capitalist man haters (e.g tumblerinas). In general reddit is against feminism in name only, any seriously sexist comments get downvotes into oblivion.

    I also think because reddit does have a lot of 16-25 white men, they do feel as though odds are stacked against them. Engineering schools I applied to have an 11% male acceptance rate and a 93% acceptance rate for females. When somebody like me sees that you can't help but feel heavily discriminated against. Especially when your lesser qualified female siblings get into that school, and you get rejected. When there are shitloads of scholarships, schools, and employment quotas that make women get promoted/accepted more often than men quickly gives us a reason to think we aren't wanted, or valid participants. I know employers and schools don't try to polarize us, but when they need to employ/enroll X women, that often means discriminating against men in the name of equality which makes no sense. I hope you can see how my generation of men (17-18) feel how feminism has/can/does hurt us. We constantly see radical BLMs tell us we are worthless, and hateful, and radical feminists tell us we are evil, plotting everyday on how best to oppress women.

    [–]unseine -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Reddit is anti women of course it's anti feminist. "when they need to employ/enroll X women, that often means discriminating against men in the name of equality which makes no sense" That does make no sense and it's why it doesn't work that way at all. You clearly are not an employer. You have to accept a minimum amount of minorities and it's still way less than what would be accepted without prejudice to begin with. I feel very bad you don't get accepted because people are forced to take the candidates they should have taken to begin with, because they are now so sadly forced to take them.

    [–]Heh_Disguised_Toast -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Saying reddit is anti woman is a very far cry from the truth. Anti-woman implies we have a hatred/extreme prejudice against them, which is obviously false.

    "You have to accept a minimum amount of minorities", more or less verbatim what I said, beside the fact "female" isn't a minority.

    "I feel very bad you don't get accepted because people are forced to take the candidates the should have taken to begin with, because they are now so sadly forced to take them" I genuinely don't understand what you're talking about, the election? If so I don't know who to vote for. A liar or a polarizing asshole; both equally horrible options.

    [–]sleepyintoronto 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Same thing happened to me recently. In an r/relationships post I commented that the patriarchy hurts everybody and was promptly told to GTFO and to stop pushing my "ideology" on poor OP. My advice was almost exactly the same as the vast majority of posters, but since I actually used the language of Feminism I was attacked. Thankfully the community in r/relationships is better then most and buddy there was downvoted so hard he deleted his comments although not before dropping this jewel. My point being that I agree with /u/Tirawa that much of reddit is "pro-feminism ideologically ", but against Feminism.

    [–]unshackled 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Funny you wrote this thread, I was thinking of doing the very same thing: raising the issue of antifeminisim in some mainstream subreddit, but I just didn't have the energy for it.

    I think the most obvious example of reddits antifeminism is where "crazy stuff" happens, its usually done by a woman. The "bad guy" in many stories are women acting according to the "hysterical woman" stereotype. And this dosen't even count in all the outright hatred to feminists that is predominant on this community.

    [–]queenofthera[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think the most obvious example of reddits antifeminism is where "crazy stuff" happens, its usually done by a woman. The "bad guy" in many stories are women acting according to the "hysterical woman" stereotype

    Now it's really interesting that you should say that. I love r/justnomil. Yes, the bad guys on there are women, but most of their crimes are also perpetrated against women. I've also found it a really supportive community and, to be honest, a pretty damn feminist place. Yes, we do deride Mother-in-laws, but their gender doesn't really come into it, (yes we could talk about the societal pressures of motherhood and the effect it can have on already unstable individuals, but we'd end up writing a thesis).

    [–]BWZA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/shitredditsays is calling... u will learn the dark biotrooths of reddit's seedy underbelly

    [–]okcmathtutorz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You should watch The Mask you live in on Netflix. It's a documentary that focuses exclusively on American culture and this notion of masculinity. It was really nice to see the things that I've been saying about boys and men articulated in this documentary. Has anyone on the sub ever watch this documentary? What do you think about it?

    Edit: Google speak can be a pain in my ass

    [–]NapkinsUnite 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Does anyone know any other more feminist friendly sites like reddit?

    [–]gprime311 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There isn't a patriarchy, there's an oligarchy and most of the 1% just happen to be white.

    Feminism will never actually realize this because feminist leaders are usually upper class white women.

    Who does the oligarchy benefit the most? Rich white people. Who does it hurt most? Disenfranchised people of color.

    [–]RocknR0IIa -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    many people are just into feminism get used to it.