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Soft paywallBurning Man participants attack rich parasites at festival (telegraph.co.uk)

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[–]DoktorSteven 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

This kind of thing always happens with these big festivals. They start off very rough and tumble, and eventually big money moves in and it becomes a shell of its former self. It happened with Warped Tour, Lollapalooza, Ozzfest, and probably most famously with Woodstock during its revival in the 90's. The "real" Burners will just have to go start a new festival from the ground up if they want to avoid rich people. Burning Man isn't going back to their idilic version of it.

[–]LandShark805 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

To have a gated suburb at Burning Man kinda misses the point.

[–]jaskot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah it is a little tone deaf. I can't say that I'm surprised at this. The whole point of BM is to get away from social stratification etc. Bringing in paid servants and hiring security seems very disrespectful of the original intent of the festival.

[–]FreeTheNipps [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

They should ban posts like this that are subscription only

[–]pingpongtits [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It opened fine for me.

[–]darkbarf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm using chrome with adblock and it opened fine therefore I shouldn't be denied a post just because you have a problem others do not

[–]Darkciders [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

If you have to resort to thuggish violence and intimidation tactics to force people to adhere to your principles, you're doing it wrong.

[–]Listento_DimmuBorgir [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

ideas so good theyre mandatory!

[–]Slimerbacca [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Yup, you won't become successful with violence

[–]Zeverish [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

World History might have something to say about that.

[–]Slimerbacca [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well modern day society might have more of something to say about it!

[–]Allmstsfr [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Isn't hiring security and bouncers to bounce your ass out the same thing as thuggish violence?

[–]indoninja 0ポイント1ポイント  (16子コメント)

They are parasites because they paid for more luxury?

[–]mentalxkp 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Based on what started burning man, yeah. It is as formal as rules and laws, but the social mores expected there are to share what you have, help each other out, that kind of thing. Being wealthy was never supposed to get you a better experience. But that's changed over time, and the amount of money that's being going into the event has caused changes not appreciated by those without. It used to be the new hippie commune, but now it's as American as walmart.

[–]T0MB0mbad1l 15ポイント16ポイント  (12子コメント)

The event is described as an experiment in community and art, influenced by 10 main principles, including "radical" inclusion, self-reliance and self-expression, as well as community cooperation, civic responsibility, gifting, decommodification, participation, immediacy and leaving no trace

By paying people to work for them during the event (decommodification), and having an exclusive campsite ("radical" inclusion, civic responsibility, community cooperation), they've upset people who actually give a shit about why burning man was started. Like if there were a big rally to stop deforestation, and there was a group of people there just burning trees, like truckloads of trees being loaded into a fire for no reason, people who went there to prevent deforestation would be upset, even if the people burning trees were handing out bottled water to their buddies.

[–]BorrowedOrBlue [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Well, good science is done by repeating experiments, and Burning Man seems to have come to the same conclusion every naive hippie commune bullshit comes to eventually.

Eventually, if your "community" is full of cool interesting people, and there's lots of drugs and sex and fun, eventually you'll attract very not-cool people, but your hippie ideals of "everyone's welcome" won't allow you to tell them to go away and everything will get ruined.

The "revolution" doesn't win, what happens is its appropriated by the same corporate whores everyone hates, or, all the people who started it and made it great get disillusioned with what's its become and bow out and it collapses under its own weight.

Burning Man isn't about radical inclusion, or self-reliance, it's about Paris fucking Hilton renting an Airstream and doing MDMA and cocaine with her rich friends and posting shit to Instagram all day while her logistics staff cleans the sand out of her shoes when she finally passes out.

That's Burning Man now. The counter-culture types would be wise to just stop going.

[–]Qrunk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Dont forget completely trashing the ecosystem of the BLM lands they rent. Big green bitey bugs etc.

[–]AphoticStar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This only happens if you aren't willing to violently defend your democracy from tyrants.

Liberalism need to get back to its roots in the American, French, and Russian revolutions.

[–]1989Batman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, good science is done by repeating experiments, and Burning Man seems to have come to the same conclusion every naive hippie commune bullshit comes to eventually.

Eventually, if your "community" is full of cool interesting people, and there's lots of drugs and sex and fun, eventually you'll attract very not-cool people, but your hippie ideals of "everyone's welcome" won't allow you to tell them to go away and everything will get ruined.

Exactly. Like when OWS had free food at the park and then a bunch of homeless people came. Suddenly they wanted to protect their investment (in this case, food to keep the protests going), just like, I dunno, Wall Street wants to?

[–]TheRedEminence -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

One day, not too far distant, the gated community crowd will wake up to discover that the gates can be locked from either side.

[–]Macinsocks 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

So edgy.

Is your mom taking you to Hot Topic later?

[–]jeb_manion 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

After she finishes drawing all of those Jared Leto joker tattoos on him

[–]AphoticStar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you're really that jealous that someone can say something poignant, you should try harder to make an intelligent response next time.

[–]genechem [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Picture of thr camp?

[–]Picklefruit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's sad to see to a wealthier group come in seeking an experience that largely promotes the exclusion of others based on perceived wealth. I've never been, but Burning Man always seemed, at least to me, to be an experience more than anything - why wouldn't you want that to encompass every conceivable expression of reality?

That said, humans gon' human, and there will always be someone who isn't happy with what they don't have that you do, and some of those will surely find the inspiration to act on those feelings.

Vicious cycle, I guess.

[–]ManualNarwhal -4ポイント-3ポイント  (23子コメント)

I wish the article could suggest any other way for the non-rich to protect their festival and way of life. It's not like they can outspend the richers. The only thing the non-rich can do is use their superior numbers and violence.

As I think we shall all see pretty soon as income inequality reaches new records.

[–]TheGuyAboveMeEatsPoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

lol. Why do you think welfare exists? Its to keep rubes placated. You'll never revolt for more as long as your basics are met.

[–]1989Batman -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Poor people smell funny though.

[–]crusoe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And how much do tickers cost?

[–]TheGuyAboveMeEatsPoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Only those deemed worthy will be allowed to see utopia. Why does this sound familiar? Fuckin left wingers.

[–]happyscrappy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Another person having more money than doesn't prove they are a better person than you.

But you wrecking their camp because they have more money than you does prove they are a better person than you.

[–]Supermanic_Soul -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do I feel like calling in a MOAB strike?

[–]1123581321345589144b -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The battle between the haves and the have-nots. Always a beautiful thing.

[–]An_Ultracrepidarian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That really not what this is.

None of people going to Burning Man are "have-nots" (otherwise they couldn't afford it). This is about a bunch of people who go there expecting to maintain (rightly or wrongly) some set of techno-hippie ideals getting pissed off at a bunch of other people showing up and conducting themselves in ways that conflict with said ideals.

[–]TammyK 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://youtu.be/7TUfxx2JrqY?t=52s