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Change My View Thread (self.reddevils)

VallureHerrera が 投稿

Hi guys, this is the first Change My View thread. The point of this thread is to post a strong opinion you hold regarding anything United-related. Other people will try and challenge this opinion. Please make sure you actually explain yourself; don't just argue without evaluating what you mean. Unlike in the Unpopular Opinion thread, any opinion, no matter how popular is welcome here, so don't hold back.

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[–]fmc96Fosu-Mensah 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

This will just result in every comment getting downvoted, but anyways..

I think Schneiderlin is very average and is as much of a liability in possession as Fellaini is. He is fine at retrieving the ball but when in possession he's clueless, no vertical passing. Everything goes back to the centre halves and slows everything down. Almost certain Schneiderlin will get sold next summer to a French club like Monaco or something.

[–]frankowen18 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's barely played under Mourinho and everyone was like that under LvG, so singling him out for criticism is hardly fair. He was decent for Southampton at getting from box/box, way too quick to write him off for us.

[–]fmc96Fosu-Mensah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well if I didnt single him out I'd be naming 6/7 players which wouldnt be practical. I know he hasn't played yet under Mou but I've never been a fan even since his S'oton days. He's always been a destroyer, which is great for a club like Southampton but he doesnt have a wide enough skillset to thrive at a club like United IMO. Very limited technically.

[–]tocitusMemphis 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair we are talking about Schneiderlin under LVG.

Schneiderlin at Southampton was a different player - good in possession and a much less position ally disciplined player than he needed to be under LVG. LVG bought him and seemed to want to play him as this deep, defensive midfielder when that wasn't really his forte.

I don't think he is a great player and I am not sure if he is going to have a role at United but I also think in the right system he can work, as shown by him being one of the best midfielders in the prem at Southampton. Also this MNF analysis talks about Southampton but also mentions Schneiderlin a lot and his role in the team

Also it shouldn't result in every comment being downvoted, unless people are childish enough to just downvote things they don't agree with instead of trying to have a conversation

[–]fmc96Fosu-Mensah 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes that's true Re S'oton days- he was deployed as an aggresive ball winner not limited to sitting deep like van Gaal had him. But even still I dont agree about him being good in possession. I have always found him rigid and stiff when dribbling and passing. Everything seems to laboured and robotic with him.

Yea maybe he could play a role like John Obi Mikel did at CFC; coming on late in games to close them out. And thanks for the link, I remember reading that, insightful but I'm not of the same opinion as that piece.

Yea that's the perfect scenario but not how this sub operates. Often dismissive to debate. Of course everyone prefers praising their own and lauding the club, but sometimes people border on the delusional.

[–]FraajWaste of money 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think this year is going to be crucial for him but wouldn't write him off just yet. He probably still needs some time to adjust to his slightly different role than he had in Saints.

On the other hand if Jose won't rate him then he's probably not good enough for a club like Manchester United.

[–]fmc96Fosu-Mensah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Certainly won't write him off as of such but I don't have many expectations for him this season. Maybe 15-20 appearances with many off the bench, barring Fellaini and Carrick getting injured simultaneously

[–]tocitusMemphis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

(Note, I'm aware this isn't exactly an unpopular opinion but I'd like someone to try to put forward an argument that changes my view)

Rooney isn't good enough anymore to be the focal point of creativity in this United team and random moments of brilliance are far outweighed by the damage done by keeping him in the team.

Edit: Just to clarify in case people were wondering, downvoting does not change my opinion.

[–]LeorenthelaPogba -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

i feel that Real madrid buying spree while taking loans from the banks of spain is totally different then us using our money earned to buy players.

i also feel its totally different then the likes of chelsea and City who bring their money from a rich sugar daddy.

i think our buying power should be admired and not hated or categorized in the same bracket as PSG-city-Chelsea.

[–]kaoticreapzSchweinsteiger 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nobody hates our buying power, lol. They hate the club, the success and the fan following.

[–]LeorenthelaPogba 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

you should ask a tottenham fan, i live with a few, i get a lot of "united buying its success" talk.

[–]BarbadosDMLord Scholes -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wouldn't listen to Tottenham fans. Some I've spoke with think Dembele is the best midfielder in the world

[–]imamfmonster 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, Kane always does miles better with Dembele in the side. He's nowhere near the best midfielder in the world but he is incredibly important to their side.

[–]BarbadosDMLord Scholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not even a point you should even try to justify. Tottenham fans are quite deluded

[–]TimmyBashSchweinsteiger -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Martial should be rested and sporadically used for the rest of the season.

[–]Rolling_TomassiShaw 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just seems like a ridiculous suggestion. Why, having had 4 average games (below his standard, but not bad) would you then sign him off for the whole season? I can understand wanting to bench him but your suggestion gives no possibility of him coming on as a sub in a few games' time, tearing it up and gaining his starting spot back.

[–]kaoticreapzSchweinsteiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends only if Memphis can perform well. Then there is no problem in using Martial less.

[–]LeorenthelaPogba 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Although Martial looks not like his regular self, i feel that its less a resting problem, and more of "private life" and

"harder for him to adapt to the new way mou wants us to play after being LVG no.1 for the past season".

i think we should give him time and we'll benefit from him.