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    To all members, moderators and associated interested parties of Bluelight and EADD.

    After long and careful consideration by the website team, it is with regret that we have had to permanently ban Evey (Evelievibe) from any further use of Bluelight as a social media platform, and she will not be permitted to hold a member account again.

    This website, it's members, moderators and administrators have helped this member in every way that we can and we cannot see what else we could possibly offer her upon her return from her current temporary ban. Most important, is the overall disruption to the board resorting in what at times we recognise may have seemed like disproportionate moderation of members posts but this was a necessary evil that we had to take while a permanent solution to this matter was discussed.

    Before we go any further it's worth taking a moment to explain why this time is different to the previous two times Evey was "permabanned" and why on this occasion it is final and for good.

    One of the issues a number of members have raised during the latter stages of the Evey saga is that she had twice been 'permabanned' and twice returned with very little - if anything - given in the way of explanation. The latter was tricky as we have always had a blanket policy of not getting into any discussion of disciplinary actions involving any member with anybody other than the person or people involved. The reasons for this are fairly obvious and - believe it or not - entirely innocuous. It is simply the case that personal details are just that: personal. Moreover, discussion of staff decisions and how they come about is also considered off-limits for similar reasons: there tends to be a variety of personal information involved and often that extends beyond the individual in question. Whether this is the best way to handle such decisions or not is a valid discussion to have, but there was nothing different or unusual in the way decisions involving Evey conformed to this standard operating procedure.

    As Evey is no longer a member. a little background and context may help to explain why what clearly seemed "different or unusual" to many wasn't always as it seemed.

    Evey's initial 'permaban' was brought about via totally unprecedented actions involving several EADD posters and a senior staff member who is no longer a member of the Bluelight support team. What happened amounted to a secret panel of hand-picked members "voting off" another member and no matter what one's opinion of Evey's membership here was I'd hope such an approach would be unacceptable to all. When the details became clear it was unacceptable to staff too so the ban was overturned.

    Trying to strike a balance between the rights & responsibilities of an individual against those of many others was very far from easy - mistakes were certainly made and it because increasingly clear that it may not be possible to find any kind of balance that would work. "Special treatment" was used again in a last-ditch effort to make it crystal clear to Evey the forms of posting and social behaviour that she typically displayed may not be explicitly covered by any of our rules but very clearly rubbed a great many people up the wrong way. Again the "special treatment" provided to Evey was perhaps not what most were meaning when using the phrase. In this case it was to apply specific and stringent restrictions upon posting that didn't even come close to breaking any rules but managed to cause far more disruption than any posts infringing the rules ever manages.

    Ultimately it was Evey and Evey alone whose consistent cycling of unacceptable behaviours transcended the assorted interventions of other members. Even taking into account the input of others, Evey's choices are the sole reason the decision has been made to end her membership slightly ahead of the 10 points it usually takes to reach 'permaban' status. With no sign of positive and meaningful change even being considered let alone attempted it was decided there were no more options on the table. Evey had been made aware that she was on her very last chance some weeks prior to her most recent ban for posts made in The Lounge. She was given a clear choice and chose badly in trying to find a way around the restrictions made on her posting rather than addressing the issues raised head-on. As such she is no longer a member and this really is a final decision.

    On the other hand, the quite frankly disturbing at times behaviour and actions of certain other members was also a real problem. It too was totally unprecedented and at times downright brutal. Whilst staff did get things wrong at times, the way some went about venting their frustrations crossed a number of lines on a number of occasions and this also had to be taken into account. It is not fair to take action against somebody for whom the ease and effectiveness of winding up is abundantly clear to all and therefore open to manipulation. There were incidents that were essentially created deliberately by a person or persons sometimes known, sometimes strongly suspected, yet they were almost always astute enough to ensure proof enough to act would be nigh-on impossible. There is no point going over all the 'ins and outs' yet again, but I think it is fair to say that precious few who were directly involved whether through happen stance or choice comes out of this without a few question marks hanging over some of the decisions made.

    In finalising the above, we are sorry for the poor experience that Bluelight has become for certain members with regards to the above issue. However, in order to try and put all of this to bed, this thread can be used for constructive discussion regarding the above member and the problems that may have resulted within the community during her presence. We would ask that you keep this topic within this thread so that we can eventually bury it all in the archives where it now belongs. Regardless of our decision - no abusive posts of any kind will be tolerated as is standard on this website and is cited in the BLUA which can be found here http://wiki.bluelight.org/index.php/...reement_(BLUA) and they will be dealt with as standard.

    We do hope that we can put this sad episode behind us and get back to doing what we do best.

    Thank you for your patience and understanding in this matter.

    The Bluelight Team
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    Can we just keep the discussion to decisions made on and issues surrounding Bluelight please - anything that goes on on another forum can be discussed there.
     

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    ^ this.

    That whole *snip* business was just low. Leave it in the past where it belongs.
    Last edited by steewith2ees; 06-07-2016 at 00:58. Reason: Leave that where it belongs as well ;-)
     

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    I don't see why this deserves a thread.



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    ^ people get bent out of shape when staff make decisions and don't explain what's happening. they are accused of backroom dealing, lack of transparency and many other things. this issue has impacted a lot of people and the staff felt that the whole forum deserved an explanation of the what and why in the interests of transparency.

    damned if we do and damned if we don't

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    ..good decision.

    I think she exhausted enough staff and regulars with her issues.

    Maybe she will move on to yet another forum.

    *shrug*
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by alasdairm View Post
    damned if we do and damned if we don't
    The clear solution here is in a box with Schrodinger's cat.


    Good, bad, or ugly, I'm just glad we finally have a conclusion.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadie View Post

    In finalising the above, we are sorry for the poor experience that Bluelight has become for certain members with regards to the above issue. However, in order to try and put all of this to bed, this thread can be used for constructive discussion regarding the above member and the problems that may have resulted within the community during her presence. We would ask that you keep this topic within this thread so that we can eventually bury it all in the archives where it now belongs. Regardless of our decision - no abusive posts of any kind will be tolerated as is standard on this website and is cited in the BLUA which can be found here http://wiki.bluelight.org/index.php/...reement_(BLUA) and they will be dealt with as standard.

    We do hope that we can put this sad episode behind us and get back to doing what we do best.

    Thank you for your patience and understanding in this matter.

    The Bluelight Team
    Thank you for all the thought and effort you and the BL team have put into that post. Your writing style is amazing; you should have been a writer.

    A positive thing about eve?; she often made friendly and welcoming posts to new members, and would often offer her support to anyone going through issues, and would also sometimes send me emails praising me beyond all reason; but it was often nice to loose yourself in temporary delusions of great self importance.

    I think she also had a crazy sense of humor, which seemed to beginning to improve a lot of things. And she also loved Bluelight.
     

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    What did she do in public , I never read social threads, I never read her posts either as they were not interesting or informative, more questions like "what is France?" , or "Who is Elvis?". Seemed like a harmless oul divil who missed on History and Geography class at school.

    Or is that top secret?, and the discussion papers written on rice paper and eaten afterwards.
     

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    I cant say that i am unhappy at this decision. Thanks for the update. And i will leave it at that and continue to hide from FUBAR and his turkey baster..
     

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    I didn't know her personally, or personal-impersonally even really, not directly, but read plenty threads started by or that included posts by her, she seemed alright.

    As for drama and bellenditis such as afflicts that crusty, weeping chancre that is the lounge, I avoid the place, its a malignant and stinking bucket of clotted pus that I'd hate to see had gone from its current position as bluelight's honorary faecally-encrusted cancerous hemorrhoid, dangling from the noxious chocolate starfish which for some reasoning to me unfathomable is suffered to belch forth its clouds of ordure, sprouting like a cluster of rank,leprous cum-dripping poisonous rapetoadstools that positively itch, and itch worse than the scabby, syphilis-chip fuckmuffin of a rotting £2.50 an hour crack whore to be scratched with the manky fungal toenails of cretinous cryptorchid cerebro-laryngeal explosive pale yellow post-cheap-burger van-donner kebab-induced greasy slick of chunky diarrhea, that in other words, is a close approximation of the pestilent, flyblown reeking garbage pile that is the content of that rancid penile squirting which is suffered to remain unexcised from the otherwise mostly good if soetmimes naiive and forever as yet posts making up the contents of the forum sensu lato, and the subfora sensu stricto, thence to spread clouds of fuckmuppet-spores desperate to plunge their virulent haustoria into the tender flesh of the osefuk and wothwhile, useful, or possibly in some cases merely tolerable regions of flesh that make up the body whole of bluelight.

    I avoid the place like the fucking abomination it is, but *I* have been here more than long enough to know the place for the dunghill it is. But *OTHER* people coming here as greenlighters, they could easily be put off by the valueless swill that belches forth
    like gas buildup escaping from the bloating, well-fermented scrotal sack attached to the maggot-riddled cadaver of jimmy fucking well savile to contaminate the user experience opinions of new members and old alike.

    So, lets all visit the lounge, pour some less-obvious accelerant such as maybe alcohol over the piss-scented sofas, threadbare carpets, and wooden furniture, toss a few lit cigarette ends down the back of a sofa cushion or two, and claim some fucking crackheads broke in and burnt the place down whilst freebasing, then claim on the insurance, before the stench from the lounge metastatizes to some better more respectable section of bluelight.

    Better off without the fucking dump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Limpet_Chicken View Post
    I didn't know her personally, or personal-impersonally even really, not directly, but read plenty threads started by or that included posts by her, she seemed alright.

    As for drama and bellenditis such as afflicts that crusty, weeping chancre that is the lounge, I avoid the place, its a malignant and stinking bucket of clotted pus that I'd hate to see had gone from its current position as bluelight's honorary faecally-encrusted cancerous hemorrhoid, dangling from the noxious chocolate starfish which for some reasoning to me unfathomable is suffered to belch forth its clouds of ordure, sprouting like a cluster of rank,leprous cum-dripping poisonous rapetoadstools that positively itch, and itch worse than the scabby, syphilis-chip fuckmuffin of a rotting £2.50 an hour crack whore to be scratched with the manky fungal toenails of cretinous cryptorchid cerebro-laryngeal explosive pale yellow post-cheap-burger van-donner kebab-induced greasy slick of chunky diarrhea, that in other words, is a close approximation of the pestilent, flyblown reeking garbage pile that is the content of that rancid penile squirting which is suffered to remain unexcised from the otherwise mostly good if soetmimes naiive and forever as yet posts making up the contents of the forum sensu lato, and the subfora sensu stricto, thence to spread clouds of fuckmuppet-spores desperate to plunge their virulent haustoria into the tender flesh of the osefuk and wothwhile, useful, or possibly in some cases merely tolerable regions of flesh that make up the body whole of bluelight.

    I avoid the place like the fucking abomination it is, but *I* have been here more than long enough to know the place for the dunghill it is. But *OTHER* people coming here as greenlighters, they could easily be put off by the valueless swill that belches forth
    like gas buildup escaping from the bloating, well-fermented scrotal sack attached to the maggot-riddled cadaver of jimmy fucking well savile to contaminate the user experience opinions of new members and old alike.

    So, lets all visit the lounge, pour some less-obvious accelerant such as maybe alcohol over the piss-scented sofas, threadbare carpets, and wooden furniture, toss a few lit cigarette ends down the back of a sofa cushion or two, and claim some fucking crackheads broke in and burnt the place down whilst freebasing, then claim on the insurance, before the stench from the lounge metastatizes to some better more respectable section of bluelight.

    Better off without the fucking dump.
    You should fire off an angry email about this prob.
    Last edited by Shambles; 06-07-2016 at 10:12. Reason: fixing quote
     

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    Limpet, feel free to tell the lounge what you think of the lounge actually in the lounge . You may as well, since its only a couple of mouse clicks away .
     

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    ^ that's a fine idea. "Be the change..." etc etc
    Quote Originally Posted by gannetsarewe View Post
    What did she do in public , I never read social threads, I never read her posts either as they were not interesting or informative, more questions like "what is France?" , or "Who is Elvis?". Seemed like a harmless oul divil who missed on History and Geography class at school.

    Or is that top secret?, and the discussion papers written on rice paper and eaten afterwards.
    If you avoided reading her posts, i presume you have some idea of the kinds of issues that presented?
    She didn't "do" anything "top secret" - simply put, the continual disruption made her continued membership of bluelight untenable.
    It is an unfortunate situation, and staff are trying to be as upfront about this situation - how it has come to this - as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Limpet_Chicken
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    Unfortunately the premiums involved in insuring the Lounge are far beyond our by-donation, run-by-volunteers budget.
    Plus the excuse "crackheads broke in" is unlikely to be accepted, given that crackheads already doss there
    Greenlighters can't post in the lounge - nor is it even visible, before they reach 50 posts/Bluelighter status - so i wouldn't stress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alasdairm View Post
    ^ people get bent out of shape when staff make decisions and don't explain what's happening. they are accused of backroom dealing, lack of transparency and many other things. this issue has impacted a lot of people and the staff felt that the whole forum deserved an explanation of the what and why in the interests of transparency.

    damned if we do and damned if we don't

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    I suppose so, but in ten years I've only ever seen a thread announcing a perma-ban once before - for KandyK, nympho, poly-drug abusing attention seeking Asian American hot crazy ass.
     

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    Now that bitch was crazy.
     

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    I thought this forum was about drugs and harm reduction.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by headfuck123 View Post
    I thought this forum was about drugs and harm reduction.
    It is but there are plenty of sub forums that cover other non - drug related subjects as well.

    Here we straddle the line between both - social discussion about drugs and their use within the specified geographical area and 'meta' discussion pertaining to issues that affect EADD and Bluelight in general.

    This particular issue has not been far from many members immediate thoughts about EADD and Bluelight for some considerable time and this has been reflected in the disproportionate amount of traffic and content regarding the same.

    Now we have finally put this behind us, it is only fair to allow members to share any final thoughts they may have on the matter before we tidy it all away entirely.
     

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    I seriously doubt that anyone in here is surprised at this decision.

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    The decision is best for everyone , hope evey and her daughter can be happy and content in life.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by strungout2010 View Post
    The decision is best for everyone , hope evey and her daughter can be happy and content in life.
    That hits the nail on the head regarding the overall gist of this.
     

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