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I'm young, successful, athletic, and attractive. But the better I do in life, the more isolated I feel. Is this just a side effect of MGTOW? (self.MGTOW)

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I've been doing very well with my personal life within the last few years, to the point where I'm making more than both my parents, all while keeping in peak physical shape. However, I'm finding it harder and harder to relate with people my age - I recently moved to a a trendy college town to get a better job, but that means that all men I meet in my age group (low-mid 20's) are virtue signaling orbiters with no critical thinking skills, and all women in my age group are self-obsessed examples of AWALT. Whenever I do meet a woman who seems like a keeper, it turns out that it's just an act they put on when they first meet me, IMO it's because they can sense that I have money. It's getting to the point where I honestly believe I can't trust anything a woman tells me. Even when I seduce one, I'm almost always afraid to take her back to my place or give her my phone number due to all of the false allegations.
The only people who I can relate to are my coworkers, who are all engineers, but even then, it's difficult to really have a meaningful friendship with any of them, because they're all at least a decade older than I am.
How do you guys cope with this feeling of loneliness? I can shut it off temporarily with a good workout, but it only goes away for half a day at most. Do you just ignore your feelings? Do they eventually go away? Is this just the inevitable side effect of MGTOW?
To be clear, I'm not whining or complaining. In fact, MGTOW and TRP are the reasons for my success early in life. However, we are all hardwired to seek approval from the opposite sex, and it seems like overcoming hundreds of thousands of years worth of evolution will definitely take an emotional toll.

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[–]Five_Decades 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

Friends, family, pets.

The ironic part is that you are getting approval and validation from the opposite sex. Most guys are upset because they cannot get approval and validation since women really only desire an elite minority of men. However you realize that that approval and validation is both conditional and based on women looking to take what is yours for their own benefit (money and good genetics). I get approval and validation whenever I go to a used car lot, but that is only because I have money in the bank and the salespeople want to take it from me. When you figure out that the validation is just based on getting on your good side to take something valuable you have, it loses a lot of its emotional appeal.

Basically, you have achieved TRP dream but realize that being a healthy host to someone who wants to take your genes/money by hook or crook isn't that appealing.

Beware of women who pick up on your sense of loneliness and pretend to be unicorns long enough to get you locked down. That is a real risk you are going to face. Some will pretend to not care about 'all that superficial stuff' and if you are desperate enough you will believe them. But it is all a lie, if you weren't well off financially and physically attractive those women wouldn't give you the time of day. I've seen women use this tactic on high SMV males before (pretend they like them for their personality). Your loneliness will make you a very easy target for women doing this.

Have you considered meetup groups? You can make friends there. Look for the ones devoted to things like academics or atheism, in my experience the people at those are more intelligent if you are looking for people who are more able to hold a conversation on your level.

Successful people feeling isolated is not something new. You have no idea if the people in your life are there because they like you, or just want to take things from you or use you for their own purposes.

[–]nbennett2q5 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Free men are truly alone in a land of slaves

[–]MuscleCarz 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's much harder to make real, tight friends than "buddies." Men only need two really tight friends. Like I read somewhere, the reason we men only need two friends, is in case one dies, then we have a back-up. LOL!

Humor aside, like the poster above says, try groups of shared interests to meet like-minded men of substance. You may (not likely, but possible) even meet a female of reasonable enough quality to actually spent time with (even out of bed).

Another poster mentioned the importance of "touch" and the hormones garnered and released from it. I recommend massage whole-heartedly. Get a nice non-sexual massage by a good trained therapist once in awhile and see how that helps.

My two best friends (male) are both married and because they are married and kept on a tight leash, I only get to hang with them on a limited basis. But let me tell you, when it comes to the status and quality of their marriages, they are fucking miserable. Often, after visiting them and their wives, I am overcome with an inexplicable sense of RELIEF driving home to my private world of pure freedom.

Society and Mother Nature are both geared to compel us men to throw ourselves right under the fucking bus. Everything we see and hear is gearing us to do it. It's actually quite insane, once you see it for what it is.

Don't forget, once we've learned the importance of how to seek and obtain validation and acceptance from ourselves, instead of seeking it from others* (*which has been ingrained in us since birth and hard to break) we can and will become own best friends. Solitude, actually becomes more enjoyable, healthy and even cherished.

[–]newMGTOW 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you figure out that the validation is just based on getting on your good side to take something valuable you have, it loses a lot of its emotional appeal.

This here. This was the biggest hurdle to self satisfaction that I didn't realize was there. Once you notice how and when people validate you it's easy to see that they often want to use it for some benefit to themselves. Validation does not make your achievements any more worthy than if no one knew about them. Just compete with yourself and get your validation from within, give yourself a pat on the back when you achieve something you don't need to have someone else do it for you.

[–]Knotyeti 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is a side effect of MGTOW and it does fade with time. I think in large part it is to do with the feeling of disappointment about how shallow and unthinking most people are, and how easily life could be better for everyone if only people would see themselves for who they are and adjust their behaviour and expectations accordingly.

Disappointment is a weird emotion. It doesn't hit you as hard and fast as anger or love and it doesn't fade so easily either.

As you get older and more of your friends and acquaintances get trapped into miserable lives and openly envy your freedom it will get easier.

[–]Hectat777 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am actually very similar to you, but probably older. I have no solid advice to give, except that to say you are wise beyond your years. It is probably harder for you, being younger and having more testosterone. If you choose to date, you'll have to vet very carefully. Obviously you should have a couple of conversations with her and get to know her well before it gets to that point where you have sex, but don't be shy about asking her about her past relationships. If she gets evasive, or gets a body language that indicates she's lying then drop her ass. (for example, her eyes will dart upward as she is trying to think of something to say other than the truth, in other words, lying. Learn to read body language). Avoiding divorced women, and single women with kids goes without saying, screen them out immediately.

[–]Bartand 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get approval from your friends and your fleshlight. Forget about women. Bros before hoes. And . . get a dog.

[–]Saintmyname 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This may have nothing to do with MGTOW. Success always costs you friends. I recommend hanging out in more upper class establishments and befriending men in your tax bracket. Don't sweat the bitches. Bang em, pull out and move on. They will often leave on their own if you're rude to them and endorse and participate in habits they hate.

[–]Zombocom1911 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

How do you think celebrities feel? How can they ever trust ANYONE in their lives? (unless they knew them before they were rich and famous)

[–]Hectat777 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Obviously Johnny Depp's experience was a warning for all

[–]nbennett2q5 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

His bitch was a celeb too...awalt

[–]TheAlphaRanger 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Once you realize that you're in the matrix, there's no going back to not realizing that you're in the matrix.

[–]TVTestPattern 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're trying to bend the spoon with your mind... that's impossible.

Just try to realize the truth.

[–]MrPC81 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

Learn how to give yourself some Vitamin B12 injections. They help me to recenter my thoughts.

[–]newMGTOW 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

wait, how is this different to eating food rich in Vitamin B12?

[–]MrPC81 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't digest B12 very well. Stomach surgery made that worse.

Digesting B12 via food requires that your stomach and small intestine work well together. I suspect my intestines weren't doing the job before the surgery, and my stomach sure as hell isn't doing the job post-op.

To feel really good you need blood B12 levels up around 1000. Mine once reached a low in the mid 160s a little over a year ago. Three injections a week apart got me up into the mid 400s and then I stopped for a year. As depression worsened I went onto all the antidepressants that the doctor prescribed, but they just made me put on weight and feel emptier. I stopped trying after weaning myself off the last one and then started shooting myself up with B12. Within a few weeks I was motivated, my sugar cravings were gone, and I started feeling like exercising again.

It's a vitamin. You'd really have to do something OTT to overdose on it. With so much upside, and so little downside, why not?

[–]newMGTOW 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That makes sense. It's pretty good you worked that out. Just be careful of fat soluble vitamins (A,D,E and K) as they accumulate in the body and you can overdose on those (K can be particularly fatal)

[–]LetsGoAllTheWhey 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Where do you find it? Does it require a prescription?

[–]MrPC81 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

In some countries it does, in others it doesn't. Here in Australia it doesn't. Any pharmacy will supply it over the counter. In the UK, people who want B12 usually get it mail order from Germany. Not sure about other countries.

[–]Filthy_Rich_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Have you ever researched what the man made vitamin b12 is? If I've correctly understood what I read... the most popular form, cyanocobalamin, releases cyanide when metabolized by the body. Idk about you, but there's something about ingesting poison that doesn't jive with me, and they toss that shit in everything.

[–]MrPC81 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hear that from time to time, but no pharmacy has ever sold me cyanocobalamin. I've only ever had hydroxocobalimin.

[–]inspiredman 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I walk by a clinic that offers them. I've always wanted to try!

[–]MrPC81 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

DIY is easy enough and so much cheaper. The ampoules come in packs of 3 for $8 and the needle and syringe and wipe and band aid should be well under a dollar. There are ample videos on YouTube explaining what to buy and how to do it.

What does the clinic charge to do it for you? $75 per shot?

[–]inspiredman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll check right now. Doesn't have the price listed online. I'll go and check some time.

[–]squidracer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is just the price of success..

I eventually moved to an upper middle class area because of this.. My new vehicles don't stick out as much in a parking lot of BMWs..

[–]User-31f64a4e 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

the better I do in life, the more isolated I feel

This is lingering beta attitude. You are afraid to win the competition normally relished by an alpha male. You are afraid to be better than anyone, it somehow isn't "nice".

Excellence never requires apology.

[–]lonelylikegod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brazilian jiu-Jitsu, Improv comedy.

[–]scorched_throwaway 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

sounds like you've got this figured. keep that strength and make life yours and so no one else has a claim.

[–]Brokemgtow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need real friends, not engineers or more individuals from your career field. Maybe you should start looking here, or anywhere else. you need people that understand the essence of your core.

It could be quite interesting and fun finding that person, or just get a girlfriend, whats the big deal.

Try and take a vacation to the 3rd world, get out of your comfort zone. Put some spice in your life many of us wished we were on your shoes.

[–]Zegy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find loneliness comes in waves just like happiness. I just ride the wave I understand that both these things are temporary and they will pass in time. I have been living alone for years but I find use things like reading or learning a new skill, language or playing on one of my many sports teams replaces my temporary loneliness with temporary happiness, competitiveness and purpose even if it's for an 1 hours, happiness isn't guaranteed.

Most people attempt to find happiness a lot in times of loneliness, most people try things like lots of sex or spending time with family, or buying lots of stuff they don't need even if those things don't make them happy. Find what makes you happy for me it's the gym,sports, movies, games, and sometimes hanging with friends and travelling even going for a random drive makes me ecstatic.

I think this questions is really only one you can answer for yourself, find what makes you happy and just do that but expect loneliness expect it even when you are feeling happy.

[–]johnnygeeksheek 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aaron Clary covers this in bachelor pad economics. The more you wake up from the matrix and the more you become interesting - the more of an outlier you are. Your average mediocre BP person cannot relate to you nor you to them.

[–]102349612395612034 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Believe it or not, I am a guy who uses women for my emotional tampon.

I have women friends who I complain to about things. Some of them are equally disenfranchised about feminism and current social situation.

I am a major introvert, so I only need to have a good conversation once a week or so. So I'm ok.

[–]Snacks_McQuacks 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you tried meditation? It has become a watered down buzz topic over the past few years, but if done with some discipline and consistency it can really be helpful in mending feelings of loneliness, anxiety, grief, and so forth. At first, it may be difficult to calm the mind but just start with 5 or 10 minutes per sit. I'd recommend starting with guided meditations if you are new, and then trying other styles such as zazen, mindfulness meditation, transcendental, etc. and see what resonates with you.

[–]I-am-the-lul 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can imagine that going MGTOW might be a lot harder on the true extroverts as the MGTOW lifestyle combined with seeing things through Red Pill Vision can make socializing less comfortable.

[–]Filthy_Rich_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just pretend that you're poor. Dress poor, buy a shitty vehicle, lie about what you do for work, etc. That way you'll scare off all of the gold diggers.

[–]TheUniverseis2D 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is really normal honestly in terms of MGTOW. The greatest minds and thinkers of history (obviously they were men) always felt like and were treated as outcasts. Just do you. Put yourself first and live your life the way you want. People will notice and eventually get with the program. Women will do what you want them to.

[–]inspiredman -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. Think about Tesla. That guy changed the world. Was it worth it? Hell yeah! Occasional loneliness is just a sacrifice when learning the truth about life.

[–]lemgtow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey man, what you said really resonated with me and I felt that I should respond. I understand what you're going through. This is something that has been happening to me also ever since I internalized TRP and MGTOW, which I credit specifically for my success in life thus far. I am also a young attractive successful guy. I'm 22. I'm about to do a tren test cycle in about 4 months so I'm pretty much going to have the best body I've ever had. The androgenic effects will lead to an even more chiseled attractive face. I flung myself into a career in finance that will land me 6 figures, and if I really tried hard, even up to 600k~ yearly if I bother to put in that much effort. Learned a lot about tons of different financial investments, starting a finance firm in about 2 - 4 years, designing a website right now. MGTOW really helped me get to where I am.

As we all know, once you internalize MGTOW and red pill philosophy, what tends to happen is that you see the gynocentric matrix that overlays society. You see many of the truths that have been tucked away from the common men in order to keep the current system afloat. Nobody in every day life talks about how easy women can get sex compared to men, how 97% of alimony recipients are women, how the court system favors women, how there's VAWA but no equivalent mens bill.

I want to really drive this point home to you. I promise you, my friend, that you are really not missing out on ANYTHING from having female friends or receiving female validation. Throughout my life, I've had lots of different female friends. Every single female friend that I've had has been an example of the worst qualities that humanity has to offer.

I'm at a point in my life right now where due to all that I know and all that I've experienced, I really have zero desire whatsoever for validation from any person whatsoever, and this includes women. I don't care what women think of me, I don't care to impress women, I don't care to play women's games. The only thing that I would really want from women at this point in my life is sex. Solely sex. No validation, no friendship, just sex. I'm at a point where I've actually completely given up on bothering to interact with Western women and instead am planning on inevitably going on a sex-tourism holiday to Thailand to truly have the kind of promiscuous sex that is impossible to gain access to as a man in the West. I'm writing a completely separate topic regarding this.

Anyways, a couple lines ago I stated that every single female friend that I've had exhibited the worst qualities that humanity has to offer. Women aren't perfect glorious angelic beings that will come down and nurse you like mommy and tell you that everything is ok. This following list is shit that I've dealt with in person throughout my life.

Girl 1 was a severe self-harmer (I'm talking deep cuts going from her wrist all the way up her arms to her shoulder like zebra stripes, or on her legs too), severe borderline personality disorder, loved to be the center of attention, fucked peoples relationships up, tried to create drama between her boyfriend and I, cheated on her beta bf with a hung dude. Got pregnant and had a kid with her bf, she lost custody and has no rights to see the kid. She got pregnant at 15. Guy is taking care of their spawn while she goes off scott free to fuck other guys while her genes are spread.

Girl 2 lead me on and pretended like she was a good girl, always creating this tension between us to keep me as an emotional tampon orbiter before I understood the concept. I would later find out she would have highschool lesbian drunk orgies.

Girl 3 had severe parental and sibling issues, every time I was with her she would cry severely and I would have to console her because she was afraid that her sister was going to punish her by sitting on her face and suffocating her because she went out shopping or something.

Girl 4 I let her stay over at my house once because she was having some home problems and would eventually be homeless. She stole things from me and put on a straight face acting like she never did anything. Expected everyone to pay for her things, because she would never bring money with her anywhere she went and just expected other people to pay for her shit. Hopped around being homeless by staying at different guys houses and fucking them so she could have a place to stay.

Girl 5 was a sex addict, tried to keep me as an orbiter as an emotional tampon, went around just generally fucking peoples relationships up and actively pursuing guys that already had girlfriends. Severe alcoholic, self harmer, severe drug abuser.

Girl 6 had severe bipolar disorder/mania. I was really nice and courteous to her, hung out with other friends with her etc. One day I wake up and someone ends up telling me that she posted me on thedirty.com, there's just this post with pictures of me with her insulting the shit out of me calling me baseless things like a faggot. Mind you, there was nothing evident beforehand that indicated that she disliked me. I had no qualms with her before this.

Girl 7 had parental issues, actively self harmed, actively abused medications, got into severe fights with her mother in front of me.

Girl 8 thought she was the hottest shit since sliced bread because she was a blonde and had a big ass. Would directly insult people to their face and belittle them. String after string of 2 week long relationships where she'd date some "ghetto" kid wearing g-unit clothes or something only to get pumped and dumped and state, "I am sooooo done with boys". Ended up going to prison for something. Got pregnant, dad isn't around.

Girl 9 was this obese girl who was horrible with money. Used her line of credit on her credit cards and maxed them out to buy 5k$ of clothes from Victoria's Secret and PINK. Ends up deciding to lose weight and loses 60+ lbs so the clothes didn't even fit her, and then she was stuck with debt

Are these really the types of people that you want to be spending your time with? Do you really care what these people would think of you? Do you really want to be put through the fucking ringer like I was? Women are people too, they just have a vagina.

[–]samirahmad2594 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Username checks mate.

[–]samirahmad2594 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My advice as some one whose only a few years away from 30 is to save as much money as you can and chase your dreams. Don't settle for a 9-5 job, try new projects and master a new skill if you like. If you didn't travel when you were younger, I'd say do it now. 20's - The time to lay the foundation for your empire 30's - Build Your Empire 40's - Conquer and Expand your Empire 50's - Safeguard your Empire 60's - Retire and live a comfortable lifestyle with 0 stress/tension 70's - Fuck it I wanna party bitch 80's - Kingdom Come

[–]mild_rumpus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess I have a sort of cynicism about people that doesn't lessen the lonliness, but it helps me accept it. My best friends are from similar walks of life that I feel get me. but it's rare to make connections like that.

Though the success I've experienced happened very suddenly. Ive had the perspective of how I was treated when I was down and out (disposable) and then how I was treated with status and money; it flatters no one.

[–]victor_knight -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's probably your DNA fucking with you because it wants to copy itself to a new host body before yours ages and dies with it. Not all men are affected by their DNA in this way, but if you think you are, this and this might help get it out of your system so you can start enjoying life again.

[–]Juttasolo -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Matrix = a road map you are given at a very young age and expected to follow throughout your life. MGTOW = you being a master cartographer creating your own map to follow.