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an Issue with your movement (self.MGTOW)

Laafheid が 投稿

I recently came upon this movement (for lack of a better word) and there are some things i find striking about it.

  • when you actually go your own way instead of just doing what everyone else is doing, you generally get accomplished and have an interesting life, which are features that attract women.
  • MGTOW does not go it's own way but unifies it's to a cause exclaiming how bad things are instead of going their OWN way
  • whenever you strive hard for something by debating, talking, etc with a group that already agrees with you you generally don't change things and the same goes for debating with others that oppose your standpoint already - i.e. feminists. thus you are not helping your own cause.
    • if you wouldn't care about the point above life would be less irritating, you would get done more things that you like (which is your goal, by going your own way I presume) and you would actually have the chance to meet someone you like (friend or partner) of the other sex.
    • while you constantly claim how women are manipulative you don't act accordingly by accepting that and changing your stance on women but keep assuming on how YOU think they should be (without the negative traits) and hold them to those standards.

-last but not least: why not think of them as enjoyment for freetime, like television or something, instead of a goal. it's the same way they treat men (according to you) so that would only be fair.

I don't subscribe to either feminist ideology or MGTOW but I just find it funny how both groups make the same mistakes and I thought you should be aware of that. feel free to bring arguments on how I am wrong or right, I only recently learned of this so I'm trying to figure this out logically

kind regards, Laafheid

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[–]Sn0man79 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

1) It's not a movement. Get that through your skull.

1) There is no "cause" here.

1) Women are not a goal or priority around here. Staying away from them as much as possible, for the most part, is.

1) MGTOW have no need or desire for female friends or partners

1) MGTOW do not need to "accept" anything

[–]JStheHammer 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did you post a similar critical article on the feminist sub? What did they say?

If you didn't you are just attacking men.

[–]Noomene 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The poor guy/female ... she doesn't know how to find the feminist subs with hundreds of thousands of users here. She just found ours with our 14k.

[–]Laafheid[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

look mate, I'm trying to look out for my brothers. if you really want me to i'll make one, sure. could you give me the reddit which it would be most effective to post it on?

[–]Noomene 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

1- MGTOW is not a movement. How many times do we have to repeat this?

2- We don't have a cause, you're mistaking us for MRAs.

3- We talk about female evil nature in order to warn other men who might not know. The information needs to be shared.

4- Feminism is political and activist. We MGTOWs are not political and we are ZFG, zero fucks given to politics, activism, and all that jazz. We are living for ourselves.

[–]Laafheid[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

-for lack of a better word, idea better? -you say you don't have a cause but you give your cause in point 3 -it does need to be shared, that's why it doesnt help to talk to other MGTOWS but get the idea out in the open more - you may not be political but you are ideological from what I gather, and ideology has even more to do with life than being political

[–]byers18901 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Concern troll much?

MGTOW is a philosophy. Not a movement. It is not organized centrally. And that is a good thing. It prevents perversion and corruption.

As far as everything else it sounds like you need to research MGTOW more because you sound woefully misinformed.

[–]Saintmyname 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I do treat them as enjoyment or free time or even a hobby. I don't bash them or spend time deriding them. I fucking love women. Like minded folks create bonding. It allows for a respectful sharing of information.

[–]Laafheid[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

this movement needs more of you

[–]Tyler_Gatsby 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hehe- The main reason why some of us don't do that much anymore is we've run into the problem of if you pet and feed the stray pussycats too well, they often don't want to leave. Then come the fleas, surprise kittens, and they end up just pissing all over everything. Of course you can get the humane society called on you for shooing them away, and all you were really guilty of was trying to be nice once.

Edit: nit-pickin' gram-mar

[–]Noomene 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

except that saintmyname is an MRA .. he's just here because he loves us MGTOWs so much

[–]Tyler_Gatsby 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

First, we are aware that our "going our own way," A.K.A. "not GAF" can actually attract women, and there have been a few post about this irony (if I may use that word in the Alanis Morrisette definition;).

Second, we come here to be updated on the affairs of the world, like Indian men getting charged for twitter comments, and UK men getting charged for telling a woman she's pretty on the street. Also we think we need to be here to keep conversations/debates like this alive, for the new men who are just waking up to our reality.

Third, we differ from feminism in that our ideology is that of a defense strategy, as in opposed to their offense in society and law. Refer back to paragraph above for example.

[–]Laafheid[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

first, good; second, whhy not use the same strategies their side uses, why not get afluent in media instead of keeping it here. more and more people are finding those things happening to be ridicoulous, so I'm pretty certain there would be news agencies finding enough revenue in it to let people publish those stories. this way you would not only reach men already waking up but you would also be making people wake up

third, I'm willing to argue that their strategy is a defence strategy aswell, just with absurd assumptions about reality, I mean, they are trying to "safeguard" women and help them advance in a very aggressive patriarchy. doesn't that scream defense?

[–]byers18901 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

What evidence do you have of there being an "aggressive patriarchy"?

[–]Laafheid[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

like i said, that is just an absurd assumption about reality but it is part of the presumptions they have, so by their standard it is

[–]Tyler_Gatsby 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They still have the proverbial upper hand to the extreme degree on every other platform of media other than here. We have our YouTube guys, and most are still getting ignored by the mainstream in hopes they'll just fade away. Some guys are "coming out" on places like Facebook and Twitter, so that's happening, but I think it's still something our collective gynocentric society wants to try to keep swept under the rug, so to speak.

[–]palaceposy6706 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It seems that you're generalizing the position and mindset of the average MGTOW based on what you see posted here. Basing your opinions of MGTOW on the traffic you see in this sub would be like basing an opinion of the general health of a city on walking around a trauma ward in it's hospitals.

For many this is the first place that a man will find other men who speak openly about the trials and tribulations of his life and the women behind them, as it is strictly verboten in today's society. You will see a lot of verbal diarrhea/circle jerking/feminist-like behaviour as people work through the anger phase when they start to realize the truth.

Once a person has worked out their anger and is ready to move on, they 'go back' into society with their newfound knowledge (a little sadder and wiser) and tend to not need this forum of discussion as much. For example, if I have decided to pursue a hobby of say, motorcycles, instead of chasing women, I'm going to spend time in the motorcycle subreddits. You don't see those guys with a balanced viewpoint here as much; they've moved on as there is no need to talk in depth about motorcycles here.

On your "last but not least" point, it takes time to make that shift. Indoctrination from a young age to be a good little worker bee beta provider takes time to undo, it is woven through the fabric of society (and for good reason - it is needed for it to coninue). And through the journey of becoming MGTOW, you start to understand the risks of women and having them as a hobby vs the rewards, it doesn't make sense to continue.

[–]exit-stage-right2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We aren't a movement and we aren't making a mistake. Woman are not a goal as you say and we aren't doing anything to change society at all. We simply exchange information and experiences. That's what your mistake is, you branded us in your mind without looking at what's actually taking place. Nobody here has tried to change women at all or society either, we sit on the sidelines and watch. Yes we do bitch about things, but that's just entertainment and letting off steam.