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[Discussion] Manchester Uniteds future policy (self.reddevils)

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Just wanted to know what you guys think is or should be Uniteds future policy with regard to future signings. We bought in a huge group of super stars but what next?. We are being tipped to spend big again and the papers are saying we might sign greizman next. There are also some links with fabinho and varane.however at the same time we are revamping our academy. What do you guys think should be our policy ?

Should we just sign the best available, should we invest more in youth now considering we have a solid base now or should we make it a mix a match policy were we buy one top player each year and bring in youth fron the academy ?. (hoping mou gives them the chance they deserve ).

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[–]sssssgv 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

We should buy big name players. As for our youth, I think we should do what Barcelona did with its La Masia graduates. Players like Jordi Alba, Cesc Fabregas, and Pique were sold and given a chance to prove themselves elsewhere before being bought back by Barca. And to prevent another Pogba situation we should also put buy-back clauses, like the one Madrid did with Morata, in the contracts of academy players we sell in the future.

[–]DirtyMike420 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Exactly this. Instead of loaning players out just sell them with buy back clauses. If they pop, we can get them back and either sell them on for a profit the same window or keep them.

[–]WildBuffalo 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right but that's never going to happen so it's pointless wishing it. Firstly there is no culture of it here. It happens in Spain because it's mandatory to put in release clauses in every contract and it's happened in Italy because of co-ownership. It doesn't really happen in France or Germany because they don't have those things either. Real and Barca have those cultures built up in them now.

Secondly there's too much money in this league. It works in Spain and Italy (or with some German clubs like Hamburg) because clubs are poor and money is not distributed fairly. When you offer them someone for a pittance, they know they're not going to be able to afford better, so they take it.

Why would Stoke take one of our youngsters from us, with the condition we can have him back for 12m, when they can go out and spend 30m on a genuine top class player like Imbula, and have the full re-sale value on him? Clubs in the championship are now dropping 15-20m on average players, there's no way they bend over backwards to take our youngsters and give them back for a few million. They'll only take our youngsters if they know they can keep them, build around them or sell them on for however much they want in X number of years.

I mean we hear of Barca putting in buyback clauses in Spain, Juve doing it in Italy and even Barca and Real doing it with some poor German clubs, but how many times have we heard in England? Very rarely, Romeu is the only example and that was bizarre. Generally PL clubs have too much money to make it worthwhile.

[–]sssssgv 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I didn't know that. I just assumed that Madrid handled the negotiations better with Juve, and that it was smart of them to put a buy-back clause.

[–]WildBuffalo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Morata was weird. He had his breakthrough season and yet they still gave him away for like 15m and had to buy him back for double. It would be like us selling Rashford now for 17m and buying him back for 35m in 2 years. Real did it to make funds and room for James to join at 80m. 2 years later they bought Morata back for double and are looking to sell James for a 20/30m loss. I don't think that's neccessarily good business.

Usually it refers to players who haven't had much chance at senior level or haven't quite shown their potential at that level. Morata doesn't fit that and he just happened to be a victim of Real's short attention span.

[–]WildBuffalo 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Our youth is obviously important. Going forward I'd rather sign one big star for 60m+ and fill the rest of the team with youngsters. That way we're improving the line-up and making it easier for the youngsters on the fringes to settle in. That was basically how Pep did it with Barca.

In 08-09 he brought in Alves for huge money, promoted Busquets and Bojan and brought Pique back. Next year he brought in Ibra whilst promoting Jeffren and Pedro. Next year David Villa in and promoted Nolito, Fontas and Thiago. Pep's final year was a double major signing with Fabregas and Alexis and promoting Cuenca, Tello and Montoya.

All the meanwhile clearing out fringe La Masia products from the team.

That's what I want, a big signing every year and a couple of new guys in the senior team getting 10+ games. As we progress we should be clearing out the likes of Rojo, Darmian, Mata, Romero, Fellaini, Schneiderlin etc and replacing them with out own boys.

There's needs to be a balance. I don't want to be Real signing galactico after galactico and ignoring their own prospects, I don't want to be Chelsea filling the squad with 25 random guys bought for 30m+ and I don't want to be Arsenal putting all their faith in their youth.

[–]Xanian123 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

We have nowhere near the quality of talent from the academy that Pep had when he was at Barca.

[–]WildBuffalo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Debateable. The golden generation was the Valdes/Iniesta/Xavi/Puyol group. The names Pep was promoting weren't exactly world-beaters. Jeffren, Fontas, Nolito, Tello, Cuenca, Montoya and Bojan flopped. They were propped up by the big signings and given time to grow though. Busquets and Pedro were the only real successes. Nolito came good years later with regular playtime at a smaller club. Maybe that's what our youngsters need. Regular playtime.

Rashford, TFM, CBJ, Gribbin, Gomes, Tuanzebe, Wilson, Perreira, Januzaj, Poole, Boonen, Olosunde, Chong and Ro-Shaun Williams is a fantastic group of players if you can bring one or two through every year and support them with Pogba-esque signings. This is from our supposedly 'broken' academy too, as we sort things out, the level of player will improve even further.

I really don't think it's out of the question that we can produce players good enough to replace Rojo, Jones, Mata or Darmian's current level of output for us.

[–]sssssgv 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't see this happening under Mourinho and to be honest the PL is too competitive for it to work. I think this is what LVG was trying to do. First year he bought Falcao and Di Maria and promoted Wilson, McNair and Blackett. Second year he bought Schweinsteiger and Depay, and promoted TFM, CBJ, Rashford and others. It didn't work. You can't compete with City and Chelsea with your youth. Even teams like Barcelona and Bayern are much less dependant on youth now than they were ten years ago.

[–]WildBuffalo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with the first year but I don't view Schweinsteiger or Depay as 'Pogba-esque' signings. One was a kid and the other sleepwalking to retirement. They cost about 25m for the pair. So I wouldn't agree with that and it's exactly what I don't want to see. If we're looking to improve the team then spend accordingly as we did with Pogba, instead of cheap-short-term fixes and project players.

[–]seihandaShaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A balance between superstar signing and academy graduate.

Maybe we should apply "buy back" clause too

[–]Launch_a_poo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The papers are saying we might sign Griezman next. There are also links to Fabinho and Varane

We wouldn't go into a season with an incomplete squad. We'll look at how players perform this year and use that to decide who we buy next year. There's no way the papers know who we're targetting

With regards to the policy though, I'd say we'll promote the occasional youth player but will be more focussed on buying a big money player for a position we're lacking in

[–]fakeplasticairbagKeane -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

we have a solid base now

Extremely debatable. This side have proven nothing, we've played 3 games.

Should we just sign the best available, should we invest more in youth now considering we have a solid base now or should we make it a mix a match policy were we buy one top player each year and bring in youth fron the academy ?. (hoping mou gives them the chance they deserve ).

I feel like so many fans on here don't seem to appreciate the number one priority which is winning titles and being the best club in world football.

We are not Athletic Bilbao, we're not some middling club just looking to be around the UCL spots and bring through a load of kids.

We want to be the best.

We should always be on the hunt for top players who are better than what we have and will improve us and always be in the market for elite level footballers be they 17 or 27.

At the same time we should have a top class academy looking to bring through players.

But don't lose sigh of the priority which is winning, not to bring kids through.

I'd say rather win the title with a bunch of stars than finish third with lots of kids from the youth team.