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Shocking pictures of dumped rubble and human waste 'left behind by travellers' (hulldailymail.co.uk)

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[–]HPBDurham 99ポイント100ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is anybody really shocked ?

[–]Oofanga 81ポイント82ポイント  (18子コメント)

This is normal. They trashed the entire station car park near me in the 1990s. This doesn't sound like a big deal until you have paid up for a year of parking space and turn up to find you have to park a 25 min walk from the station after a 15 mile drive.

Local farmers got rid of them in the end. Torched a couple of their vans and waved shotguns at them.

[–]AnneRat 57ポイント58ポイント  (2子コメント)

Travellers setup camp in Chessington World of Adventures car park once, so the zoo dumped all their manure right next to them, and they quickly moved on.

[–]yaffle53Teesside 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

They got a whole world of unexpected adventures there.

[–]Oofanga 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahaha that's brilliant :)

[–]EmptysighsandwineManchester 25ポイント26ポイント  (14子コメント)

One of the farmers near me just laid down a trail of petrol to their vans and stood 100 yards away with a lighter in hand and told them they had one chance to fuck off. It worked to be fair.

Edit: Lol the mods have banned me haha these place is a liberal echo chamber.

[–]DE_GoyaYorkshire 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

Note to self : Don't mess with farmers.

[–]Aptom_4Scotland 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

Everybody and their mums is packin' round 'ere.

[–]DE_GoyaYorkshire 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Like who?

[–]Morgan_FreefarmCornwall 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do fer thisnonror

'He does for this one ...'

[–]ButterflyAttackTraveller 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, something similar happened on a site I lived on down on the south coast, maybe twenty years ago. It's quite common to threaten traveling people with fire, I've heard such threats personally and I've known several instances in which they were carried out.

In this case, it didn't stop at threats, or maybe someone got carried away with their hate, we never really worked out what happened, but the fire was lit. It was night, so people didn't respond as quickly as they could have done, we only lost maybe three trailers, IIRC, but this woman was asleep in one of them, with her little lad.

Given that trucks and trailers are comparatively small, you would think that in a fire it's really easy to get out - after all, you're never really more than a few feet from a wall or window. But I spose people get confused, smoke, whatever, it does happen that people die in trailer fires, I've heard of several people going that way.

Anyway, they were sort of lucky this time, she was seriously burned in places, and her kid was fairly badly burned, but I don't think he had a life changing injury like his mum.

I fucked off right after that, and moved to Brighton, lost touch with most of the rest of them. But they were sound people, and I imagine they left the site tidy when they left, like they usually did.

[–]michaelisnotgingerLeeds 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

sorry to hear that story.

I've had some very positive stories with travellers (Irish and Romany) and some negative ones, just as if they were normal people. Funny that...

[–]Oofanga 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good show. Reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/MfiL_kiGRSk

[–]skarthyYorkshire 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Are you expressing admiration?

[–]out-snoop 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

My local park looked exactly like this after a visit from some travellers about a week or two ago. Along with huge piles of wrecked furniture and electronics, they also left a huge open trench full of human waste. I get they have a right to camp, but the environmental damage is always fucking awful and can make the common land utterly unusable until it's cleared. On the upside the local council were on it pretty quick and evicted them within a few days due to the damage they were causing.

[–]0xe85250d6 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get they have a right to camp

They don't though. They trespass, but as its a civil matter, landowners need to take them to court, as these fuckers have no fixed address, so don't give a shit about fines.

[–]spicy_bunsLancashire 74ポイント75ポイント  (10子コメント)

Ah yes, the group who happily hand over fake money, run out on bills, and leave chaos in their wake only to scream prejudice when they're called out on their bullshit.

[–]out-snoop 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

Do they? The only people I've ever seen calling racism over these sorts of things is braindead middle class/bourgie/rent-a-cause lovers who aren't even travellers themselves. I'm sure travellers are victims of racism though, but that shouldn't stop anyone criticising the destructive behaviours widely prevalent in their communities. Do they have like lobbying organisations or anything?

[–]ThePhenixLanky on the Continent 40ポイント41ポイント  (5子コメント)

They're not a race, they're a bunch of shirking wannabe outlaws who care little for society or the environment.

Their argument for their way of life bears no truck with me. It's one that actively seeks to disrupt everyone else's.

[–]DBAFromTheCold 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed, used to work on a building site next to a camp of travellers.

Every day, go to van, get tool, LOCK THE VAN, use tool, go back to van, put tool inside, get another tool. LOCK THE VAN.

They complain about persecution of their way of life but they don't do themselves any favours by the way the act.

[–]out-snoop 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, they certainly have protected ethnic status by law, and that's not for nothing. But yeah I've never had a single positive experience with travellers, with the environmental damage and questionable treatment/care of animals being the two major things that fuck me off.

[–]infinitewowbagger 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Romani maybe travellers and travellers maybe Romani but not one and the same.

[–]DogBotherer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But travellers also have protected legal status as an ethnic group.

[–]ShanghaiNoon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah these will most likely be Irish travellers.

[–]sp8derNorthumberland 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

The only people I've ever seen calling racism over these sorts of things is braindead middle class/bourgie/rent-a-cause lovers who aren't even travellers themselves.

And Americans, who like to point to this sort of thing to say we're as bad as they are, or worse.

[–]DE_GoyaYorkshire 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those being the sorts of twats who claim they're Irish because their great great great great great great great gran went over to America from Ireland as a six year old girl.

[–]bellend1234Barkshear [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it's actually embarrassing to read some of the nonsense they come out with on the subject.

[–]bickering_fool 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

Track down, arrest, convict, full penalty under law - preferably custodial.

[–]super2cu 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

your plan falls down on the first step unfortunately.

hard to find me at my address when my address has wheels on it lol

[–]Shitlord_Zedd 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

They do have number plates though so they could be caught in transit with a little work but it would be too hard to prosecute Id guess

[–]bickering_fool -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not really. This is an island...only so many roads and sites about.

[–]writerofenglishMonkey Island 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the police put together a unit with the intention of tracking down and prosecuting travellers who illegally camp, trash common ground, leave their shit everywhere, threaten, cheat, steal, etc, they would very soon have the perpetrators in custody. It wouldn't take much in the way of surveillance and investigation to establish who is who and where they are.

The fact is that the police don't want any part of it.

[–]borg88Buckinghamshire 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

That rubble has come from somewhere. Somebody has most likely paid them to clear it on the cheap, knowing full well that they were fly tippers.

Wouldn't hurt to track that person own and hold them to account. If people stopped paying them to take rubbish away and dump it in the local park, it would help a bit.

[–]CNash85Greater London 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Impossible to prove. Besides, we don't hold customers to account for the actions of those they buy from.

[–]ObsceneName11 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

We often do....

If you hire someone to do something, and you know (or could reasonably be expected to have known) that the way in which they're going to do that is illegal, then you're also committing a crime. Although it would indeed be hard to prove.

[–]maspiers -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Waste transfer certificates exist to provide a paper trail for where rubbish goes. But tracing it back to dome dodgy builder who didn't issue one may be tricky.

[–]EmptysighsandwineManchester 17ポイント18ポイント  (10子コメント)

Hardly surprising. They do this shit all around North Wales as well. It's murder trying to get them to fuck off, especially with all the weird beards defending them like they're a protected species.

[–]DogBotherer 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

They are a "protected species" according to the law. So now you have to add the police and the courts to your definition of "weird beards".

[–]Oofanga 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

I fought a swan that was being a dick once. Protected species or not, doesn't give you an excuse to be a dick.

I lost when it drew blood for reference.

[–]DogBotherer 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

I agree. You judge individuals for their actions. You don't judge large groups of people according to stereotypes based on tradition, prejudice, bigotry and anecdote. You don't use ethnic slurs. You treat people with the same respect and dignity regardless of their origins, upbringing, chosen lifestyle, etc. until they act like a dick towards you, then you can treat them as a dick because, individually, they are a dick.

(Edit: Also, to be honest, you ought to bear in mind where their dickishness might have come from, assuming people have been blanketly treating them as dicks, discriminating against them and using ethnic slurs for generations).

[–]ObsceneName11 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

No no, if this thread has taught me anything its that the best way to respond to shitty behaviour is with more shitty behaviour.

I mean, the anecdotal stories of travellers poor behaviour spread back decades so clearly our current responses are working.....

We should make them feel as unwelcome as possible because then they'll treat us and our property with respect. I'm sure that's how it works.

[–]DE_GoyaYorkshire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If someone shits in your garden you don't go out and shake his hand.

Unfortunately the good experiences with travellers are far outweighed by any negatives. What's more noticeable, having a pleasant conversation with a few traveller lads in your local or finding out that 50 of them turned up in 4x4s and caravans on your local rugby pitch on Friday night, started fights with a few locals and then went on a crime spree over the weekend, then your sons game has to be called off?

[–]Oofanga 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sort of. Respect is earned, not granted by default, regardless of who you are.

[–]MantonizationDorrrrrset 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Respect as an authority is earned. Respect as a fellow human being is inherent

[–]DogBotherer 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's a fine philosophy. I trust you treat everyone you meet with equally vicious shittiness until they have proved themselves to you. How is that working out for you?

[–]Oofanga 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And we have our first contender for assumption of the year...

[–]EmptysighsandwineManchester 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They've already been defined as weird beards for a while now

[–]TheChristmasKrampus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Around 30 caravans have been on the playing field for more than two weeks after arriving on Sunday, August 21. The man claimed they only finally left after a "court order" was issued.

After illegally camping on a playing fiend for two weeks you shouldn't be able to just leave. Why aren't these people arrested the moment they try and set up camp somewhere?

[–]Mr_Barry_Shitpeas 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Travellers being travellers.

[–]shibbyeric 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

They do this in London, get paid to collect rubbish and just fly tip it.

[–]rejerer 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking plague of crime & waste.

[–]starvin-marvin67Ireland 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

On behalf of Ireland, thank you for taking these fuckers off our backs

[–]DE_GoyaYorkshire 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it was part of the Good Friday agreement. You lot drive a hard bargain.

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    [–]ButterflyAttackTraveller 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Bastards. There is absolutely no need at all to engage in such blatantly anti-social behaviour. Yeah, okay, most people are prejudiced against traveling folk, but that doesn't justify this sort of behaviour. I can understand their feeling of 'them and us', but this shit doesn't help anyone. Particularly those of us who respect the communities we live in.

    [–]YeahjockeyFife, Scotland 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's a bit of a shame, because while I have no doubt that there are traveller communities out there who are respectful and don't cause trouble or destroy the areas they stay in, you never see or hear about them.

    These cunts not only ruin things for locals, they're also the cause of all the prejudice against travellers.

    [–]super2cu 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    very familiar with the irish travelling community, living fairly near to Dale Farm, at one point europe's largest (semi) illegal traveller site.

    when they cleared the illegal half of the site we were greeted with virtue signalling images such as this (this lady isn't a traveller btw, just someone who turned up for her 20 mins in the spotlight)

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/16/article-2218502-0E72EB8C00000578-168_964x605.jpg

    would really really love to hear her response on learning that the loveable victims of bigotted racism that she was supporting were actually a massive gang of organised criminals, whoopsie.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12178396/Traveller-gang-found-guilty-of-60-million-rhino-horn-thefts.html

    [–]geniice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    very familiar with the irish travelling community, living fairly near to Dale Farm, at one point europe's largest (semi) illegal traveller site.

    At one point? Most of them are still there aren't they? Just moved onto the verge leading up to the legal part of the site.

    when they cleared the illegal half of the site we were greeted with virtue signalling images such as this (this lady isn't a traveller btw, just someone who turned up for her 20 mins in the spotlight)

    You don't actualy know what virtue signalling is do you?

    would really really love to hear her response on learning that the loveable victims of bigotted racism that she was supporting were actually a massive gang of organised criminals, whoopsie.

    That group were based out of Rathkeale in the Republic or Ireland not Dale Farm in Essex.

    [–]mrs_shrew 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I love it when Gypsies are interviewed and complain that they get a bad press and not all of them are like this, well why can't they police themselves and stop this kind of behaviour? Don't they ever stop and think to clean up and make themselves better?

    [–]Mr_Barry_Shitpeas 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Remember when that fella who complained about the 'Thieving gypsy bastards' bit in Viz ended up convicted of handling stolen goods?

    [–]geniice -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Why should Gypsies be able to police Irish travelers?

    [–]mrs_shrew 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Is that the distinction I'm missing? These fuckers are Irish travellers and Gypsies are the misty eyed wrinkly faced heather sellers who'll read your fortune in a pack of cards? I mean, it would answer a lot of questions I have about the apparent two faced culture.

    [–]geniice [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    There are several different groups of travellers and the extent to which they get on with each other varies greatly. While historically it might have been common to lump them all under the term Gypsies (to the point where new age travellers got lumped in under that term at one point) today gypsies would be considered a not very accurate term for Romani.

    Irish travellers are very much a separate group from Romani. Romani itself is a slightly messy term as it lumps together several groups who tend to view themselves as separate. There are a couple of pretty clear divisions and after that it gets complicated.

    As for the behaviour issues I'm not aware of any studies with point to one group or another although the high profile cases of late have involved Irish travellers. Both groups have their shit-heads just as the rest of us have our questionable local estate and well I'm not about to try and police that.

    For completeness there are also the travelling showmen who's issues are mostly due to the problems caused by the difficultly of giving children a decent education in that environment. Calling them Gypsies would be a really really bad idea.

    [–]mrs_shrew [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Thanks very much for that, I'm a little wiser now.

    [–]WeightyUnit88Luton 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    nothing but scum

    [–]amazingchickens 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Guy with 88 in username and alt-right shit in their history calling travellers scum in the reddit comments of a daily mail article.

    This is subreddit has truly gone to the fucking dogs hasn't it.

    [–]InitiumNovumIreland 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm Irish and I think they're nothing but scum too, as do most people over here. Their condition is caused by generations of inbreeding. There's a strong tradition of cousin-marriage among Travellers1 , cousin-marriage has been shown to result in lower cognitive ability in offspring2,3 . Lower IQ is associated with increased criminality and antisocial behaviour.

    Travellers are simply what Americans might call "white trailer trash", and rightly so.

    [–]WeightyUnit88Luton [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    the 88 refers to the year of my birth but do please keep the entitlement coming

    [–]Twurb 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fucking pikeys

    [–]ObsceneName11 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

    I don't want to shock anyone but you guys do realise you can be against petty crime without being horrid bigots don't you?

    No? okay I'll see myself out.

    [–]startled-giraffe 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Does disliking large groups of criminals make me a bigot?

    [–]ThickTarget 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Back home in the Highlands there are similar problems but not from travellers, from fucking caravanettes. At the height of summer it seems like every other vehicle on the road is a camper van, now not only do they make going anywhere unbearable and blocking every other passing place but they have recently taken to dumping sewage by the road side. Their excuse is that the only places they're supposed to dump it are in the actual camp sites (funnily enough), which are too far away from whatever illegal spot they have chosen to inhabit.

    [–]michaelisnotgingerLeeds 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I see you've been to Aviemore